Wednesday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while waiting for anything.
The Brewers didn't sign or acquire anyone yesterday during the GM meetings at the Pfister Hotel, but they did give us a few hints regarding the composition of the 2012 team.
First, here's the most obvious news: Doug Melvin and friends sat down yesterday for an hour with Scott Boras, but still aren't planning on offering a contract to Prince Fielder in the short term. Melvin is still talking up Mat Gamel, and I still think he's posturing.
Melvin also told reporters that he's not planning on offering Craig Counsell a contract for 2012. Counsell hasn't retired yet but told Tom Haudricourt he'd consider a "non-playing" opportunity.
Finally, Mark Kotsay also won't be back. He signed a one year, $1.25 million deal with the Padres yesterday (FanShot). Knowing that he won't be in center field or at first base next season brightened my mood considerably, but @NotRonRoenicke is bordering on inconsolable.
Meanwhile, award season continues this week. Yesterday the Sporting News named Doug Melvin its co-Executive of the Year, splitting the award between him and Dave Dombrowski of the Tigers. The BBWAA will announce their Manager of the Year awards today and Kirk Gibson is largely expected to win the NL's honor over Ron Roenicke. Roenicke was voted first on three of 24 ballots en route to a second place finish in ESPN's Sweetspot voting.
By the way, I had previously mentioned that the NL MVP would be awarded on Friday, and that's incorrect. It will actually be the final award handed out on Tuesday. In the meantime, Braun will have to settle for this nearly indescribable post at NotGraphs.
Here are today's Prince Fielder notes:
- David Schoenfield of ESPN wonders if Matt Kemp's new contract is going to impact Prince Fielder's market value. Kemp's $20 million annual average is less than what Fielder is believed to be seeking.
- Bob Nightengale of USA Today says the Cardinals aren't interested in Fielder, even if they lose Albert Pujols.
Meanwhile, here's another option the Brewers could consider at first: Juan C. Rodriguez of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel is reporting that the Brewers have contacted the Marlins to inquire about Gaby Sanchez (FanShot). Sanchez hit .266/.352/.427 in 159 games for Florida last season but could be displaced if the Marlins sign Fielder or Albert Pujols.
The Brewers are scheduled to meet with Clint Barmes' agent today, but perhaps they won't be the only ones: Marc Hulet of Bluebird Banter thinks the Blue Jays should target Barmes to play second base. Barmes is represented by Barry Meister, who is also Craig Counsell's agent.
I wish about a month ago I'd thought ahead and had a graphic made for "Dale Sveum's Offseason Adventure." Jon Heyman reports that Sveum appears to be the leading candidate for both the Cubs and Red Sox's managerial vacancies at this point. Sveum is also the subject of High Heat Stats' Card of the Week.
Nyjer Morgan is also compiling a list of adventures: He was in attendance for the premiere of the new Twilight movie this week. He's also in a runoff vote for the "Interrobang" nickname at NotGraphs.
Hopefully Morgan can find some time in his schedule to head up to British Columbia: Spencer Anderson of Canada.com has a story on the party the Comox Valley Baseball Association is planning on throwing for local hero Taylor Green next week.
In the minors:
- Teams have until Friday to add players to their 40 man roster to protect them from the Rule 5 draft. Brewerfan.net has a list of Brewers that could be selected, including Caleb Gindl, Daniel Meadows, Brock Kjeldgaard, Santo Manzanillo and Zelous Wheeler. There's only 31 players on the current 40 man roster, so there's plenty of room for the Brewers to protect some of these guys.
- Elsewhere in roster notes, Mark Rogers and Cody Scarpetta have both been awarded fourth options. I have no idea how or why that happens.
- Minor League Rundown unveiled their list of the Brewers' top 20 prospects yesterday. Wily Peralta leads the way, followed by Tyler Thornburg (FanShot).
- Peralta, by the way, pitched four scoreless innings and allowed just one hit in Gigantes' 4-1 win over Escogido in Dominican Winter League play yesterday. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
- Closer to home, Scooter Gennett had another three hit game in Arizona yesterday. He has multiple hits in seven of his last eight contests and is now just three points back in the race for the AFL batting title.
- Elsewhere in the AFL, Zelous Wheeler has been nominated for the league's annual Dernell Stenson Sportsmanship Award (FanShot).
- John Steinmiller is in Arizona and talked to Logan Schafer about his 2011 season and his goals for next year.
- The Janesville Gazette's "Peace and Glove" blog has a five tweet interview with Nashville second baseman Eric Farris.
- The Huntsville Stars must be getting new jerseys for 2012 - they're auctioning off the old ones, including tops worn by Jonathan Lucroy, Taylor Green and Brett Lawrie. (h/t @Mass_Haas)
We continued our Brewer-by-Brewer look at the 2011 season yesterday with this profile of Jerry Hairston Jr. The series continues this afternoon, so be sure to check back.
We also announced yesterday that the BCB Book Club will be reading The Extra 2% as our inaugural selection. If you'd like to participate, pick up a copy of the book sometime between now and Tuesday and meet us back here.
Around baseball:
Astros: Signed infielder Scott Moore to a minor league deal.
Athletics: Signed outfielder Jason Pridie to a minor league deal.
Dodgers: Signed catcher Matt Treanor to a $1 million deal with an option for 2013.
Yankees: Signed pitcher Mike O'Connor to a minor league deal.
The Astros' pending move to the American League could be announced as soon as tomorrow, but that's not making it any more popular: The Houston Chronicle has several longtime Astros' reactions to the decision.
It's possible there's not a single award in sports with more convoluted criteria than baseball's Rookie of the Year. Here's a case in point: Angels prospect Mike Trout meets all three criteria to qualify for the 2012 award, but will be removed from consideration because he's being awarded an extra 17 days of service time for a short stint in the minors.
This is dangerously close to wandering off into politics, but it's MLB-related so I'll proceed with caution: MLBAM apparently sells server space to (among others) noted pundit Glenn Beck, but is receiving some pressure to stop doing so.
In former Brewers: Robin Yount has advanced to the semi-finals of The Outside Corner's MLB Mustache Madness tournament, and now faces Eddie Murray.
Sure, mustaches are cool, but can they travel through time? The Common Man and NotGraphs would like you to witness the incredible powers of Wally Moon's unibrow.
Once he's done in the Old West, maybe Wally Moon can return to the present and fix the internet at the Pfister.
Here's probably the strangest story you'll hear today: An independent league veteran is in some hot water after getting a spot in the Australian winter league by promising to bring Pirates outfielder Xavier Paul along. The problem was that Paul was unaware of the arrangement. I'm not sure how one could think that would end well. (h/t Bucs Dugout)
The Orioles unveiled their new uniforms yesterday, and I must say I'm pleased with their decision to go back to the cartoon bird logo. Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus noted the similarity to uniforms Cal Ripken used to wear, while Grant Brisbee of Baseball Nation has the funniest post on the topic you'll see today.
For many years, the Reds have been allowed to open the MLB season. There's a parade and various festivities involved, and last year they followed it up by being one of the few teams to steal a save away from John Axford. This year, however, they were scheduled to open their home schedule on Good Friday and pitched a fit. As such, baseball has agreed to let them move the game ahead a day and play a series-opening afternoon game.
I'm thinking of ripping this idea off, and replacing key words with "Prince Fielder" and "Cubs." Amazin' Avenue has a Jose Reyes to Marlins Doomsday Clock.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to start the process.
Drink up.
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A Casey McGehee/Mat Gamel platoon at first base.
I can’t wait. #guninmouth
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They shouldn't play him anywhere.
I’m not entirely convinced they should play Gamel anywhere either.
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Of course not
He doesn’t have the requisite 1500 PAs
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 16, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Or the requisite work ethic.
Although, if he gains another 35 pounds this offseason, he might start LOOKING like a Fielder replacement.
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I'm in the same boat with this.
I got goons.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Nov 16, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
But, out of curiosity, how would we keep you from killing yourself?
I mean given all of the constraints with payroll and whatnot the Brewers have this year, what would you do?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 16, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Which constraints?
not sure which have been made public. If they want to try to win again, they need to make big FA signings, and I think they’ve got the money to do that. Sure, it’ll handicap the team in the medium term, but who cares, right? (ok, I do). If they don’t want to try to win again, they need to seriously look at trading Greinke, Marcum, Hart, and pretty much anyone not locked up beyond 2013.
I haven’t made up my mind as to which path I want them to go down, but any one that leads to Casey McGehee getting regular time is a bad choice.
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I take it you're unfamiliar with my payroll thread, then.
Nevermind.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 16, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Fourth option
Here’s a Wikipedia article on it. I know it’s not always the most reliable, but it’s something.
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So.. there's this...
Salvini reported that one of the kids asked Fielder about his future; Fielder replied that he won’t play in Milwaukee anymore and isn’t sure where he will sign.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
Gaby Sanchez
I wonder how Morgan would feel about the Brewers signing Sanchez.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Nov 16, 2011 12:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Why would they?
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I'm not convinced of that.
Gaby’s not significantly more than an average hitter.
Or, do you mean defensively? Because that’s a given.
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I was meaning both
Sanchez has shown, playing half his games in whatever the Marlins old stadium is called, to be a decent hitter for 2 seasons now. He may benefit from the change to playing at Miller Park for 81 games and the NL East seems to have harder places to be hitter than the NL Central
If Pujols signed for the Marlins or if the Brewers wanted to try and save some payroll ( I suggested a Greinke for Gaby&Anibal Sanchez + 3rd player trade in another thread) then Sanchez could give reasonable production for somebody who is yet to reach abritration and still give the Brewers the flexability to sign a good SS (eg Rollins).
Also Gamel has never proven anything at the major league level yet. I would like to see him be given a shot this spring but if the Brewers are looking to compete for the playoffs I would like to be a little more certain of the production that they are going to get from 1B.
That's fair
didn’t consider the stadium differentials.
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Sanchez has a .786 career OPS at 1B
You can live with that if you have to, but you don’t trade players to acquire it.
Sanchez has hit significantly better at home than on the road, I don’t think a new ballpark turns him into a different hitter.
Get a ife broseph
Would not the majority of hitters play better at home than on the road?
Most teams win more often at home ie they score more runs at home.
Depends on the park
The Giants scored 236 runs at home, 336 on the road. Tampa had at 310 runs at home, 397 on the road.
Just looking at Park Factors, the stadium in FLA was 14th in 2011, 10th in 2010 and 4th in 2009. You could maybe make the argument (and Sanchez’s stats would back this up), that is a bit of a hitters park.
Get a ife broseph
The same way any hockey player feels when he's traded.
i.e. wouldn’t care.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
And also RRR who came in 2nd
TLR came in 3rd
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 16, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
For what it's worth, and this is from a Cubs feed that someone RT'd and found it's way to my timeline.
@cst_cubs
Brewers just left meeting with Furcal’s agent.
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All of them?
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Not surprising
Sounds like DM is leaving no stone left unturned for the SS search. He reportedly been in contact with agents for Rollins and Barmes.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Melvin has met with Barmes' agent today as well as Rollins' agent
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 16, 2011 2:18 PM CST reply actions
I wonder if he's heard enough to make an offer to one of them already
Knowing how few options there are, and how fast they are going
Well, none of them are going to sign
until Reyes and Rollins sign.
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And with Yuni hanging around the hotel ordering room service
And running up his bill watching adult movies in Spanish on PPV
He tried a local buffet, but had trouble because the line only moved to the left.
REWIND YOURSELF!
by drezdn on Nov 16, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
ughhh
Haudricourt: #Brewers GM Doug Melvin keeps saying that Betancourt is better than his critics say. Makes me think Yuni is coming back as starting SS.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 16, 2011 2:52 PM CST reply actions
Maybe
but he’s also the guy who booked him as the starter for 2011.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 16, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Right, I think that's another reason why he's still constantly bringing up "Yuni critics"
To justify having him at SS for all of last year.
The option being declined and DM having meetings with any SS that has a pulse suggests to me that Yuni might still be a plan, but he’s plan X, Y or Z at this point.
Get a ife broseph
That could be true
I’m not holding my breath. At this point nothing would surprise me.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 16, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure I'm missing someone
But since the Brewers got competitive (say 2006 for the sake of argument) I can’t remember Melvin ever signing an absolutely awful FA for a full time starting position.
Get a ife broseph
That's probably the closest one
Catchers always a bit of a wild card to me because its hard to objectively measure their defense, not so much at SS.
Get a ife broseph
He had OPS of .651 and .636 in his 2 years
He was pretty bad both years hitting wise but his fielding the 1st year was not that bad. Indeed he managed to throw out 43% of base stealers in 2008.
Right
I guess my point was that if it was any position other than catcher, and the Brewers brought up a rookie who had a .628 and .703 OPS his first two years, we’d be looking to find a new player. Which makes it hard to kill the Kendall signing too much.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Nov 16, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Or maybe shortstop
Yount had a .622, .674, and .593 OPS to go along with 94 errors in his first three years (415 games), and we stuck with him…
Eh, Yount is more of an example of expectations based on age, not position
He was 18, 19 and 20 years old, and he didn’t really play at an elite level until he was 24.
Get a ife broseph
Right
In 2008, he had an fWAR of 2.3… I don’t consider that absolutely awful.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Didn't he accumulate 2.2 of that during the first week of the season?
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Right
DM seems to do fairly well with FA position players… it’s the FA pitchers that he needs to improve on.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Signing Trevor Hoffman in 2010 was pretty bad
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 16, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Signing him in 2009 was pretty darn good and Wolf is looking like a solid pickup as well...
Streak Breakers.com
Yes, 2009 was an extraordinarily lucky and unexpected year for a 40 year old.
And then Doug Melvin gave him a $7.5M deal for the next year with an option. That’s terrible.
Also, your argument is terrible.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 17, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not trying to find bad FA signings
Rather DM signing a FA to start who was completely awful the year before.
Suppan had a 4.12 ERA in 2006, or a 3.95 ERA his 3 years with the Cardinals.
Get a ife broseph
Well he was coming off a 3.81 ERA (3.30 FIP), 8.8 K/9 year
But I see your point. I guess I haven’t seen DM do anything like signing a player like Yuni for a starting spot. Its always a possibility, but I’d be surprised if he signed him.
Get a ife broseph
I'm still maintaining
that DM is saying this after reading that a pan of lasagna would be better than Yuni at SS.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
that'd be great if he read that, and his only response was,
Ehhhhh, I don’t know. I think he’s a little better than you’re giving him credit for.
by tcyoung on Nov 16, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There's still time Mark A.
There’s still time to fire your GM. I’m really hoping this is just a leverage play, but it’s pretty brutal to be yanking Yuni’s chain like this. There’s a very real chance no one other than the Brewers will sign him to a major league contract. Maybe they’ll offer him a minor league contract?
I’m fairly confident in saying the Brewers will not make the postseason if they bring Yuni back 2012. There’s absolutely no way to make up for Fielder’s production at 1B without getting additional production from the SS position this offseason. The numbers simply don’t add up.
I’m completely serious when I say that if Yuni signs with the Brewers, I want the Brewers to firesale all but Gallardo, Braun, Hart and Weeks. Yuni at SS is a harbinger of a lost season.
While I agree that Yuni is the worst possible option.
I don’t see how the Brewers wouldn’t still be competitive if not the favorites in the NL Central. We lost Prince, St. Louis lost Pujols.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Well we also finished 6 games ahead (and 17 ahead of Cincinnati)
I’m not saying the 2011 record dictates things, but the Brewers were pretty good last year.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
looks like St. Louis and Pujols are announcing a new deal Friday morning
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 16, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
here's the link
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 16, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
GM already denied it in that article
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
doesn't mean anything really
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 16, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
True, but neither does a random radio scoop.
Plus, if Pujols somehow signed this early before even getting into a bidding war, it would be for such a comically high price that the Cardinals would be worse off anyways.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
well the guy was also the first to report TLR was retiring, so he has that to back him up
I mean, I don’t care either way, he’s gonna stay in St. Louis.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 16, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I hope they give him $35 million/year.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
I don't think SS would be the only position to make up Fielder's production
There’s also 3B.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Greinke is going to make up Fielder's production singlehandedly.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
How dare you mock my 10.0 fWAR Greinke projection.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
An aside
the VIck’s NyQuil NFL fan ad that you cannot turn the sound off on if you inadvertently mouse over it makes me angry.
I know they’re necessary and all. But that ad bothers me because I’m forced to listen to it.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
I sent in a complaint about that ad this morning.
Was informed it will be out of the rotation soon.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 17, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
sorry to be a baby about it, it was just the one.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 17, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
TH
#Brewers GM Doug Melvin, when asked if he could spend big on one FA and still fill other holes: “Probably not at this time.”
That means he’s trying to trade Wolf? Right?!
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
"...at this time..." Boom!

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Rumor is the new CBA has a provision that gives the Brewers an extra $100m to sign Reyes
Thanks Bud.
Get a ife broseph
Et tu, Dale?
Forget Boston, Dale Sveum is apparently the frontrunner for the Cubs managerial opening, at least according to Jon Heyman.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Eh, can't blame him for that.
Brewers didn’t even consider him for the manager position last time around, did they? Now two of the biggest market teams around have him as a frontrunner? Good for him.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 16, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
definitely not a fan of this
RT @DKnobler Brewers will also explore long-term deal with closer Axford
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 16, 2011 11:30 PM CST reply actions
Depends on the per anum
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
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