Friday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while watching out for haters.
The center of the baseball universe was in Chicago this morning, where Dale Sveum was officially introduced as the Cubs new manager (FanShot). Tom Haudricourt had these and many more quotes from the press conference:
Asked Sveum if he can get Cubs to sign Prince Fielder. He said, "I've only been the manager 24 hours. Don't know how much influence I have."
Sveum said he won't try to get #Brewers icon Robin Yount to join his staff. "It might not be in his best interests," said Sveum, smartly.
Sveum made it clear that watching from #Brewers side, he didn't see every Cubs player playing the game hard and the right way.
Sveum: "That's my biggest job and my biggest pet peeve is seeing guys not play hard on a daily basis. You have control of that."
Tyler Maas of Miller Park Drunk says he's happy for Sveum, but losing him won't really change anything for the Brewers. I'll second that notion: I'm looking forward to seeing if a new voice in his former role can have a positive impact on the team. Jeff Sullivan of Baseball Nation has a great look at the "highlights" ESPN showed while announcing Sveum's hiring. Meanwhile, Benjamin Hill of MiLB.com is all over the Sveum promotional opportunities.
So now the organization has a hole to fill on their coaching staff. Sandy Guerrero has already been mentioned as an internal candidate, but Doug Melvin said that he also wouldn't rule out Craig Counsell. Melvin apparently alluded to the possibility that the team could have two hitting coaches next season.
The Brewers made some headlines this week with speculation that they could look to sign Shaun Marcum, Zack Greinke, John Axford and now perhaps Jonathan Lucroy to extensions this winter. Ryan Campbell of FanGraphs took a look at a possible Marcum deal yesterday and said that a three year, $30 million contract makes sense but "the Brewers would probably be better off isolating themselves from that risk with a one-year deal."
Those offseason extensions are probably all more likely than a deal with Jimmy Rollins: Doug Melvin wasn't able to meet with agent Dan Lozano, who represents Rollins, at the Pfister this week.
Here are today's Prince Fielder notes:
- Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun thinks the Blue Jays will end up with Fielder.
- Larry Larue of the Tacoma News Tribune is the latest Mariner writer to bring up Prince Fielder. I think it's possible that all of them have done it now.
- Dave Cameron of U.S.S. Mariner has a look at star players and their impact on attendance.
The NL Cy Young was announced yesterday, with Clayton Kershaw of the Dodgers taking home the award as expected. Yovani Gallardo was named on four ballots and finished seventh in the voting, while John Axford was named on two ballots and finished ninth.
The Brewers made a series of offseason roster moves yesterday, releasing nine minor leaguers (FanShot). None of the names are too significant:
- Pitcher Charly Bashara was a former non-drafted free agent who pitched for Wisconsin in 2011.
- Pitcher Dan Britt was a 29th round pick in 2010, and made 30 appearances in 2011 for Wisconsin.
- Pitcher Skyler Crawford split 2011 between Helena, Wisconsin and Brevard County.
- Pitcher Greg Davis was a former NDFA who pitched for Arizona in 2011.
- Catcher Doug Elliot was a 35th round pick in 2011 but retired after just four games in Helena.
- First baseman/outfielder Steve Felix was a former NDFA who split 2011 between Arizona and Helena.
- Outfielder Robbie Garvey was a former NDFA who split 2011 between Helena and Wisconsin.
- Pitcher Alex Jones was a 27th round pick in 2010 and pitched for Helena in 2011.
- Pitcher Jose Oviedo was a 31st round pick in 2009, and pitched for Arizona in 2011.
Today will likely be another big transaction day for the Brewers, as it's their last opportunity to add players to the 40 man roster to protect them from December's Rule 5 draft. The Brewers currently have nine spots open on the roster, so they could protect a lot of players.
Elsewhere in the minors:
- Baseball America published their list of the Brewers' top ten prospects this week. They have Wily Peralta #1 and Taylor Jungmann and Jed Bradley #2 and 3.
- Ashley Marshall of MiLB.com has a position-by-position look at the organization's top performers in 2011.
- Seedlings to Stars is rating Wily Peralta as baseball's #50 prospect.
- The Arizona Fall League wrapped up yesterday, with Scooter Gennett going 1-for-3 and driving in both runs in Peoria's 2-2, 7 inning tie. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes, and see an extended cut of Gennett's interview with Jonathan Mayo here.
- Mayo, by the way, listed Jed Bradley as the AFL's #16 prospect. Scooter Gennett was 24th.
- Adam Foster of Project Prospect still doesn't think Gennett can be an everyday second baseman in the majors.
- John Steinmiller spent the day yesterday with a handful of top prospects taking part in the Brewers' Winter Development Program in Maryvale, and chronicled the experience. He also interviewed AFL Brewer Kentrail Davis.
- Steinmiller also reports that Logan Schafer left the AFL a couple of days early to get an MRI on his right wrist, but there were no signs of damage. Schafer finished the season eighth in the AFL in Carson Cistulli's SCOUT stat.
You've probably heard once or twice about Brewer bullpen catcher Marcus Hanel's "Koos For Kids" program, but it's cool to see the results: Hanel and friends delivered hundreds of winter coats to several Milwaukee-area schools yesterday.
Our player-by-player look at the 2011 Brewers continued yesterday with this look at Marco Estrada. We'll have another profile later today.
Around baseball:
Angels: Released pitcher Anthony Ortega.
Mariners: Signed pitcher Sean Henn to a minor league deal.
Nationals: Promoted Randy Knorr to be their new bench coach.
Padres: Named Alonzo Powell their new assistant hitting coach.
Rockies: Signed infielder Brandon Wood to a minor league deal.
Tigers: Signed catcher Gerald Laird to a one year deal with a club option for 2013.
Twins: Signed pitchers Jared Burton, Samuel Deduno, Luis Perdomo and Brendan Wise and outfielders Matt Carson and Wilkin Ramirez to minor league deals.
Craig Calcaterra noted that the Rays will be the eighth team to employ one of the Molina brothers.
It's a good thing the Brewers are set at catcher for the foreseeable future: Matthew Pouliot of Hardball Talk notes that most of this winter's top free agent backstops are already off the market.
The big story around baseball yesterday was this one: MLB officially announced plans to move the Astros to the AL West in 2013, and Bud Selig reaffirmed his commitment to adding a fifth Wild Card team to each league (FanShot). Let's start with the notes on the Astros for a second: Matthew of Lookout Landing has a look at the number of 9 pm Central time starts that will be added to Houston's schedule now that they share a division with the A's, Mariners and Angels.
Now, let's jump back to the fifth Wild Card. I still have no idea why anyone would be in favor of this. Mark my words: A year or two from now in one of the two leagues, something like this is going to happen:
- Wild Card team #1 is going to make the playoffs with something like 92-95 wins. Their record is going to be better than at least one of the division winners in their league.
- Wild Card team #2 is going to finish with something like 85-87 wins, meaning they'll be somewhere between five and ten games worse than the other wild card entry.
- For reasons I will never understand, Wild Card team #1 will have to play a one game, winner take all playoff against Wild Card team #2, a team they clearly outclassed during the season. And they'll do it while at least one division winner with a worse record gets a bye.
I get that more playoff teams = more revenue and whatever. Matthew Carruth of FanGraphs notes that teams in both leagues will now have a 33.3% chance of making the playoffs. But I think that revenue is going to be minimal for the two teams that play exactly one playoff game (frequently on the road). I just don't get how this adds much to the playoff system, and it creates a huge risk of unfairness. Selig says the single game playoffs "will be dramatic," but so would a single game World Series. That doesn't make it a good idea.
At least we can be happy for continued labor peace: The MLB and MLBPA have reportedly agreed to a new collective bargaining agreement and will announce it on Monday.
- Andrew Astleford of Fox Sports Midwest talked to Ron Roenicke about new Cardinal manager Mike Matheny.
- Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus listed Ben Sheets (one third place vote in 2004) among the list of baseball's most interesting Cy Young courtesy votes.
- Bluebird Banter rated Gregg Zaun as the #51 Blue Jay of all time.
The Outside Corner's MLB Mustache Madness tournament continues, and Bernie Brewer is facing Magglio Ordonez in the semi-finals. Follow the link to vote.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to continue the search.
Drink up.
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the new Blue Jay uniform set is fantastic, probably the best update of the season

I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 18, 2011 12:10 PM CST reply actions
AND a significant other!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 18, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The two hitting coaches idea
Seems really smart, actually. If one coach isn’t doing anything to help a player, the other one can try. As long as the two coaches didn’t interfere with each other and have entirely different approaches or something, I would think this would have tons of potential. Has any other team ever had two hitting coaches before?
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 18, 2011 12:18 PM CST reply actions
Why’d you take that pitch? The scouting reports says swing at fastballs early in the count.
My other coach told me to.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 18, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Cardinals
Last season they had McGwire and Mike Aldrete… where they split the duties between right-handed and left-handed batters.
The Padres just hired two hitting coaches for next season… Phil Plantier and Alonzo Powell.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Pretty sure the Padres also had two last year.
Not the same two, though.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Can you imagine Counsell trying to help guys with hitting after being on the team with them last year and going 0 forever?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 18, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Why would you hire a guy to be your hitting coach
Whose most memorable hitting achievement was going 0-for-45?
it's hard to teach power, but you can teach contact
and if there’s anything that’s given counsell a longer than average career, it’s his ability to hit doubles down the line (along with premium defense).
Ideally I’d like to see him as a bench coach or a manager, but those positions won’t be open until 2013…
I would take some issue with giving a guy a job as a Major League coach that has never coached at any level in his career
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 18, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, I would hate to see him stolen by another org though
but in my ideal world, he’d spend a few years as a roving minor league instructor, then move up as a 1st/3rd base coach for a few years, then move into a bench coach role.
I'd like to see him actually manage an entire team in the minors before even bringing him to the majors
I’m not sure what it is that everyone ‘sees’ in Counsell, though. Is it Tom H.‘s tweets about how he’s a great ‘clubhouse guy’? Isn’t it really hard to say ‘that guy will make a great manager some day’ if you don’t even know him?
I don’t know whether he’d be a good coach/manager, that’s why I’d like to see him give it a go in the minors first. That’s the typical path that everyone, including former players, usually take.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 18, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Torre was pretty darn good
So was Kirk Gibson. Don Mattingly. Ryne Sandberg. Mark McGwire.
I could come up with more, but you get the picture.
I’m pretty sure the angle you’re going for is ‘being a good manager doesn’t have anything to do with being a good player’.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 18, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody who can make contact with the batting stance Counsell used to have can teach a thing or two to others.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Re: Wild Card
So, let’s say this happens:
The Phillies win 100 games and win the NL East
The Reds win 99 games and iwn the NL Central
The Giants win 84 games and win the NL West
The Brewers win 98 games and win the Wild Card
By your logic, it’s just as unfair that the Phillies have to play the Brewers as it is for the 1st WC to play the 2nd WC.
If you’re so opposed to the new system, you should definitely be opposed to the current system.
If you want to remove divisions entirely and just put the best 4 records in the playoffs, then your logic is consistent. Otherwise, you can’t support the current system and be opposed to the new system.
I never said the current system was perfect.
But I do think the new system is worse.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 18, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
BTW, in your scenario above
The 98-win Brewers would still be eliminated from the playoffs if they lost ONE GAME.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 18, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not a fan of the expanded playoffs either
but some of your criticisms don’t really make sense.
I don’t know what you mean by “(frequently on the road)”, as exactly 50% of the teams will play on the road in the one game playoff. But anyway, revenue isn’t increased from just that one playoff game (which is indeed minimal, as you say). The revenue comes from the regular season games of one or more teams that would have been out of contention, but are now in the mix for the wild card spots. So it’s more like “More Teams Playing Meaningful September Baseball=Increased Revenue”.
And I think it’s a bit of a stretch to call not having to play in the Wild Card Play-in game a “bye”.
by The Left Button on Nov 18, 2011 12:48 PM CST reply actions
"Frequently on the road"
The wild card playoff loser will get exactly one playoff game and, assuming Wild Card #2 loses that game, they’ll get zero home playoff games.
Also, if some teams have to play a certain round and others don’t, calling it something other than a “bye” is splitting hairs.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 18, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But they would have gotten 0 home AND 0 away playoff games, if not for the new rules.
It’s better to be there, and be on the road, than to not be there at all.
Fair
But I don’t think that marginal gain is worth the risk of Wild Card #1, who’s won more games to earn the right to be there and might get tossed before they’re even done printing playoff t-shirts.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Let me redirect for a second.
If MLB demands a fifth playoff team, I can see the logic behind it. More relevant teams = more money, I get that.
I just hate the premise of a single game playoff round. A team that played 162 games to make the postseason could be gone after one rough start. At that point, the berth in the second round is slightly more than a coin flip.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 18, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I dislike a 1 game playoff for anything other than the Twins and the White Sox
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 18, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Even a 3 game playoff at least lets a team start Jeff Suppan in Game One
and still have a chance to advance. Of course, if they follow it up by throwing a noodle-armed Shaun Marcum, a 3-game series wouldn’t help, either.
I'd rather they make every series a best of 5 series.
The wild card play-in can be best of 3 if they want.
Listening to Sveum being interviewed on Chicago radio
He’s saying all the things I would want my manager to say.
Get a ife broseph
I think Counsell would do a good job as hitting coach
He’s typically used in videos that show young players that no matter what your stance is, the important thing is that you swing through the zone the same every time. He already knows the guys, and what works/doesn’t work for them. Despite his lack of size and power, he was able to make a career as a solid hitter by having a sweet swing and great plate discipline.
Interesting week...
Now have 2 former Brewer players as managers in the division…
How could Robin Yount be a coach for the Cubs
when he is going to be the starting SS for Milwaukee next year?
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Nov 18, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
And I think Robin probably has enough sac flies from his age 24-27 seasons to justify this.
Yuni: 31 sac flies
Robin: 27 sac flies*
- = Robin’s age-25 season took place in the strike-shortened season in 1981.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 18, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Rumorz that Brewers made an offer to Clint Barmes?
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Maybe like $4.25 million/year?
In that case, might still be able to fit A-Ram into the payroll, especially if they jettison McGehee [sorry, old friend :( ]
RF – C. HART
CF – N. MORGAN
LF – R. BRAUN
3B – A. RAMIREZ
2B – R. WEEKS
1B – M. GAMEL
SS – C. BARMES
C – J. LUCROY
P – Y. GALLARDO
That would look pretty good to me…
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Nov 18, 2011 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That would sure help me to start sleeping a solid 6-8 hrs a night, again...
Barry Meister is his agent, and that is comforting. Or non-threatening, I think.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 18, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing that's a little low
If they got him for $4.5/yr I’d be overjoyed. He’s positivie in the field and at the plate, and a two-time winner of the Rockies’ “heart and hustle” award. There’s a lot to like there.
Speaking of offers, the Marlins offered Reyes $90/6, and reportedly $225/9 for Pujols ($25MM more than the Cards).
Depends on the reporter on the Pujols offer
Some say the offer they made him was “well under” 200 mil.
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