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If you stayed up late last night (and waited out a MAC football game) you might have been disappointed, as Arizona outfielder Gerardo Parra beat out Ryan Braun for the NL Gold Glove in left field. You can see the full list of winners at Baseball Nation. For whatever it's worth, Jon Heyman said Braun's nomination was "well deserved." The Brewers still haven't won a Gold Glove since 1982, but Carlos Gomez did win a Grabby.

Elsewhere in defensive accolades, the full voting for this year's Fielding Bible Awards is now available online. Voters for the award ranked Carlos Gomez as baseball's fourth best center fielder, Zack Greinke as the game's seventh best defensive pitcher and Peter Gammons listed Ryan Braun second on his ballot for baseball's best left fielder. (h/t The Book Blog)

Braun probably has a better chance of winning this one: Award season continues tonight when the Silver Sluggers are handed out on MLB Network. And, of course, Braun was a near unanimous choice for Brewer MVP in the 2011 Brewer Blogosphere Awards. You can see our BCB ballots here.

It's a near lock that Braun will be patrolling left field for the Brewers next season, but what will the rest of the outfield look like? Brandon Berg of Chippewa.com and The Brewers Blurb both have looks at what the Brewers can do to improve out there.

Meanwhile, Dayn Perry of NotGraphs stumbled across a picture of a young Braun and made a list of facts about him.

Talking about Braun's defense in a positive light and then following it with this makes me feel like I'm having some kind of bizarro morning: Matt Klaassen of Beyond the Box Score ranked 114 major league catchers defensively, and Jonathan Lucroy came in 110th among them. Those rankings definitely don't pass the smell test for me.

Here are today's Prince Fielder notes:

Looking ahead to free agency: I don't think the Brewers have the available resources or interest in signing Jose Reyes to a long term deal, but they're probably going to continue to be mentioned as candidates until he signs somewhere else. The Baseball Index listed them as one of six options in their poll on the topic.

Of course, if Reyes signs with the Brewers it'll likely close the door on the Yuniesky Betancourt era. Tyler Maas (now of Miller Park Drunk) has a list of future job suggestions for the awful shortstop.

In more likely free agent moves: Jim Breen of Bernie's Crew has a look at four potential under-the-radar moves the Brewers could make this winter.

Meanwhile, here's the latest on Dale Sveum's offseason adventure: Jon Heyman says he's hearing that Sveum could have a shot to become the Cubs' new manager if the Red Sox don't hire him.

If Sveum does move on this winter, he may not be the only one: Tom Haudricourt pointed out that The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting that Cory Provus is under consideration for a job as the Twins' lead radio broadcaster (FanShot). I can completely understand Provus' desire to move up, but as a fan base it would sting to lose both Jim Powell and Provus in a two year stretch.

In the minors:

  • The AFL's annual Rising Stars game is on Saturday, and 2011 first round pick Jed Bradley is the only Brewer to make the roster.
  • Bradley, by the way, pitched two perfect innings in Peoria's 6-4 loss to Scottsdale yesterday. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
  • Nick Bucci was an honorable mention on Adam Foster of Project Prospect's list of 2011's top ten pitching prospects in High A. He turned 21 in July and posted a 3.84 ERA with 7.1 strikeouts per nine innings in the Florida State League this season.

We're continuing to work our way through the ten most valuable Brewers of 2011: Shaun Marcum won the voting for the #6 spot and you can see his profile here. Nyjer Morgan is currently leading the vote for the #7 spot.

Around baseball:

Marlins: Named former Indians minor league coach Gary Thurman their new first base coach.
Pirates: Signed pitcher Tim Wood to a minor league deal.

LaTroy Hawkins is still in Taiwan but didn't pitch yesterday as a team of major leaguers beat the Taiwan All Stars 7-0 in a rain-shortened game, with most of the offense coming on a Curtis Granderson grand slam. ESPN has a recap.

Today in baseball economics:

And in former Brewers: Rollie Fingers (facing Goose Gossage) and Pete Vuckovich (facing Jack Morris) are in the first round of the former player bracket in The Outside Corner's Movember MLB Mustache Madness.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to track down a killer.

Drink up.

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Huh?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Nov 2, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's regarding The Baseball Project's "Prince Stay In Milwaukee" song.

Other than John Fogerty, Meatloaf, I don’t know too many other mixes of baseball lore and rock and roll.

by Rob Deer For President on Nov 2, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was a Minnesota band Punch Drunk

they wrote a song about Lyman Bostock’s fatal gun shot wound.

by Rob Deer For President on Nov 2, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I didn't click on that link

Apparently they’re unaware that Fielder isn’t a vegetarian anymore.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Nov 2, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

110th best catcher.

What a joke.

"I haven't been out carousing." -Aaron Rodgers

by gavitron9 on Nov 2, 2011 11:26 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't get 110th either.

Based on seeing him block balls-save so many runs on spiked curves, damn that seems ridiculous.
If I’m reading fangraphs right, he ranks 12th for innings and only one passed ball, 30 caught stealing to 77 stolen bases.

by Rob Deer For President on Nov 2, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

And George Kottaras is 26th.

If anything, the two should be flipped.

by Noah Jarosh on Nov 2, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't this the classic

“You can’t learn everything by numbers or the eye test alone, you have to use both” scenario?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Nov 2, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would make him worse defensively than every other starting catcher, their backups and their backups backups.

Sadly, the author ranks everyone who has spent any amount of time behind the plate this season… sample sizes be damned. He has Maldonado ranked #57… apparently all three of his innings behind the plate are sufficient to gauge his defensive capabilities.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Nov 2, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on.

Kemp won a(nother) Gold Glove?

by placidity on Nov 2, 2011 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

The term "Gold Glove" is ambiguous

Some voters think they mean a batting glove.

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion

by GoGregGo on Nov 2, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is Uecker the Favre of broadcasting?

Minus the bad attitude and retiring every year? Just keeps training really good backups who go on to start for other teams?

by cwolf20 on Nov 2, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

That's like saying

Uecker is like Tony LaRussa – minus the dickishness, smugness, passive-aggressiveness, and lack of a sense of humor – because they’re both old. Just don’t even start with the comparison – it won’t end well.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 2, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate Favre as much as anyone

Seriously, I don’t even want him to retire as a Packer at this point.

If you can’t see the parallel because of your blind hatred, then so be it. The comparison is much much more apt than comparing TLR to Uecker, and you know it.

by cwolf20 on Nov 2, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

He hasn't abandoned us for the Cardinals

So, no.

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Nov 2, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's closing in on a deal with the Dodgers

I wouldn’t have minded him as a cheap platoon partner with Gamel.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Nov 2, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

After I read Jim's article yesterday, I realized I'd forgotten all of the ways the Brewers could

…assemble a good team. A few minutes later, I noticed Rivera was going to work out a new contract. As soon as I read about players that I think no one else is paying attention to, they’re gone!

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.

by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 2, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the same organization that has played Mark Kotsay in center field and has never allowed Gamel to have a shot before.

Do you really have faith in them to not just start Rivera full time were they to sign him?

I wouldn’t mind seeing Doumit, though.

by Noah Jarosh on Nov 2, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, probably not.

That’s a good point. I’m happy with how the CF platoon worked out last year, but I am probably getting my hopes up over the same thing happening at other positions.

It would be great if a team’s front office and coaching staff were required to say “this is how we’d use this player or that player etc…” and then ask for our feedback! The world would be a much better place.

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.

by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kotsay almost never faced a LHP, nor did Morgan

RRR seems to value platoon advantages a lot, which is why I would be surprised if they would have played him full time.

This Org also let Weeks, Fielder, Hardy, Escobar, Hart, Lucroy, Braun, Gallardo, etc have full time jobs out of the minors. Not sure I get the “veterans always play” rhetoric.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Nov 2, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

They aren't in the same position as when the majority of those players first arrived in the majors.

And Yost’s redeeming quality was that he was willing to play his youthful players. We don’t really know whether Roenicke would do the same, or if he would be willing to play two rookies at the infield corners in a very important year for the franchise. It’s not like Green got a ton of playing time when he was called up last year.

I don’t know, Rivera just smacks of being a move that would blow up in everyone’s faces.

by Noah Jarosh on Nov 2, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, OK

You said “this is the same organization” referring to the Brewers, who have never been shy about putting a talented rookie in when they needed him.

Agree, no idea what RRR wants to do with rookies. It hurts him that neither Green or Gamel are that highly regarded as prospects, and there are much bigger risks in letting them play than there were with guys from 5+ years ago when the farm system was producing much more talent.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Nov 2, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't mean the Brewers didn't use prospects in general.

Just that, for whatever reason, they have never bothered to give Gamel a real chance, even when it seemed like an opportune time. But, yeah, it would be a risk to play even one of them at a corner spot. Though, at this point, what choice do the Brewers have?

They don’t have a ton of money to spend and I would wager my money on Gamel performing as well as any free agent pickup at first (though, again, Doumit as a platoon partner would be good with me). And third base is pretty much the same, except Milwaukee will probably still feel obliged to keep McGehee starting, depending on what happens in spring training.

My gut instinct, if I were running the team, would be to hope Green/McGehee can hold down the fort at third, sign a shortstop and, if one is very cheap, get a platoon partner for Gamel at first. Then, spend whatever’s left on shoring up the bullpen and the bench.

by Noah Jarosh on Nov 2, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

When was the opportune time to use Gamel?

He was blocked by one of the best 1B in the game, and was unable to handle 3B defensively. His lack of defense really limited what the Brewers could do with him at the MLB level.

I don’t know if Gamel can handle MLB pitching, but generally agree with you – finding a cheap RHB to platoon with him would be best and probably most cost effective.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Nov 2, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If they are willing to let Yuni play SS

They should let Gamel play 3B

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by Yar Nivek on Nov 2, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering how tight the money is

There must a chance that rather than pay McGehee ~$2.5million that they decide to cut him and let Green/Hairston play 3rd with Hairston around to back up other spots aswell.
I think that if McGehee struggles during spring training that they won’t be as patient with him next season as this, especially if the management are aiming to get to the playoffs again.

by Saltire on Nov 2, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could see the Brewers signing McGehee to a 1yr deal

And if he struggles in ST, cut him and only be on the hook for a portion of his salary.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Nov 2, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Braun was awful against lefties in 2010

We need more than one season of data for that.

by cwolf20 on Nov 2, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok....

2010 – .769 vs LHP, .967 vs RHP.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Nov 2, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you know...

That it takes something like 5000 PA to know if someone has worse than an average platoon split?

I’m not doubting that Gamel has a platoon split (or even that he may have a big one), everyone does. I just want it to be known how unreliable a couple of seasons is for establishing platoon splits.

by cwolf20 on Nov 3, 2011 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I don't see your point

Cervercero said he remembered Gamel’s splits being good/better against lefties in the minors. I posted his 2010 and 2011 splits showing that in those two years he was much better against RHP. At no point made a claim about him being a statistically significant platoon player.

Since no minor leaguer (or most MLB players) has 5,000 PAs, you have to go on what information you DO have when putting together next year’s roster.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Nov 3, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

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