Wednesday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while drawing a stick man.
After a month of speculation, Brewer fans finally got some good news yesterday: Ryan Braun is your National League Most Valuable Player. He was named first on 20 ballots and second on the remaining 12 en route to the first Brewer MVP award since Robin Yount in 1989 and the franchise's first since moving to the NL. You can see the full voting here. Here's some reaction from around the web:
- Braun credited his teammates for helping him win the award, noting that the biggest difference between his season and Kemp's was context.
- Babes Love Baseball says Braun just became "a million times more attractive." I'm not sure they'd still be saying that if they'd seen his hair yesterday.
- With that said, John Steinmiller credited Braun's hair for his MVP season.
- Mark Zuckerman of CSN Washington, Danny Knobler of CBS and Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated voted for Braun.
- John Perrotto of Baseball Prospectus says the voters got it right.
- Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Steve Campbell of the Houston Chronicle and Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle voted for Kemp.
Meanwhile, Prince Fielder was named first on one ballot and finished third in the voting. This is the first time the Brewers have had two players in the top five of an MVP vote since Robin Yount and Cecil Cooper finished first and fifth in 1982.
John Axford was also mentioned on three ballots, finishing tied for 17th in the voting with seven points. He used Twitter to thank the writers who voted for him.
Today the Brewers are back to business, and they have some important decisions to make: They have until midnight tonight to decide whether or not they're offering arbitration to their various Type A and B free agents. Three of the decisions are relatively simple:
- Offering Prince Fielder arbitration is a no-brainer. He's looking for a long term deal on the market and will certainly decline the offer.
- Yuniesky Betancourt seems more interested in coming back than the Brewers are in bringing him back, so the Brewers shouldn't offer him arbitration unless they want him to accept it.
- Takashi Saito has a clause in his contract preventing the Brewers from offering it to him.
So that just leaves Francisco Rodriguez. He's likely seeking a long term deal on the free agent market and wants to close in 2012, so it seems like he'd be unlikely to accept. There's a lot of money on the table, though (he made $11.5 million in 2011), so it's a big risk to take. The new CBA altered the rules regarding potential compensation for K-Rod a bit: If the Brewers offer him arbitration and he declines they'll still get two picks when he signs elsewhere, but his new team won't forfeit one. MLB Trade Rumors has a look at the other decisions to be made around baseball today.
Another CBA change will impact deals like K-Rod's in the future: Adam McCalvy notes that in the future players will have to have spent the entire previous season with their team to be compensation-eligible. So losing players like Rodriguez or CC Sabathia wouldn't have netted the Brewers any draft picks under the new deal.
Meanwhile, another Brewer free agent is drawing a fair amount of attention. Ken Rosenthal (via MLBTR) says the Giants and Dodgers have joined the Brewers in expressing interest in Jerry Hairston Jr. Giants Nirvana is in favor of San Francisco offering him two years and $5 million. I think it'll take more money than that to get a deal done.
If Hairston isn't a part of the Brewers' long term plans, then that leaves another hole to fill. Keep Turning Up The Heat! thinks the Brewers need to non-tender Kameron Loe and Casey McGehee to create some payroll space to use towards building a winner in 2012.
Replacing players with actual Muppets could also save some payroll space. Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus says Zack Greinke is the major leaguer who most resembles Beaker.
In the minors:
- Baseball America is reporting the Brewers have re-signed free agent pitcher Darren Byrd. (h/t @Mass_Haas) Byrd is 25 and posted a 2.95 ERA in 41 relief appearances for Huntsville in 2011. He was one of the three players I mentioned in this post on notable Brewer minor league free agents.
- Carlos Gomez had two hits and scored a run in Aguilas' 5-4 loss to Licey in the Dominican Republic. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
Our player-by-player look at the 2011 Brewers continued yesterday with this profile of Takashi Saito. Check back later today to see who we'll discuss next.
If you missed it yesterday, here's a quick reminder: The first assignment for the BCB Book Club was handed out yesterday. We'll meet back here Tuesday night at 7 pm to discuss it.
This morning's "around baseball" includes new homes for a couple of 2011 Brewers:
Braves: Signed infielders Josh Wilson and Drew Sutton, pitchers Adam Russell and Dusty Hughes and outfielder Luis Durango to minor league deals.
Indians: Have reportedly agreed to re-sign outfielder Grady Sizemore.
Mariners: Re-signed infielder Luis Rodriguez and signed pitcher Steve Garrison to minor league deals.
Marlins: Acquired pitcher Wade LeBlanc from the Padresfor catcher John Baker.
Mets: Signed outfielder Adam Loewen to a minor league deal.
Pirates: Signed catcher/first baseman/outfielder Jake Fox, pitcher Shairon Martis and outfielder Brandon Boggs to minor league deals.
Twins: Signed pitcher Daryl Thompson to a minor league deal.
By now you've probably heard moderately endless chatter about the draft and international provisions in the new CBA. Depending on who you ask they're somewhere between moderately inconvenient and full-on apocalyptic. Here's another interesting and somewhat less-reported development, though: MLB is cracking down on smokeless tobacco. Starting next season players can't use it during interviews or public appearances and must conceal it during games. That won't keep them from using it, of course, but it's a step in the right direction.
This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History celebrates Dale Sveum's 48th birthday. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the 47th anniversary of the Milwaukee Braves selling 43 year old pitcher Warren Spahn to the Mets. Spahn still had one good year left in him: He appeared in 36 games for New York and the Giants in 1965 with a 4.01 ERA before retiring.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to pick up a lobster.
Drink up.
43 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
As long as chew can still be thrown at Chris Carpenter,
I’m fine with the rule.
by jcollins205 on Nov 23, 2011 10:12 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
So here's a question
Since the new CBA has eliminated the forfeiture of a draft pick for the team signing a Type A or B reliever, the disadvantage to Saito in the Brewers offering him arbitration has been eliminated. In light of this, is it possible that Saito could waive the clause, allowing the Brewers to offer him arbitration and get a draft pick for him?
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
Seems unlikely.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 23, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Why would he do that?
It doesn’t benefit him at all to do that. Even if he enjoyed playing for the Brewers, I don’t see any reason or motivation for him to do that.
On the other hand, if he really wanted to show his gratitude to the Brewers, he’d re-sign with the Brewers for about the same contract as last season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Similar contract moneywise maybe.
But you know he’s going to demand an increase in team meetings.
It doesn't benefit him, but it doesn't hurt him either
I guess I’m imagining a scenario where the Doug contacts him and asks if he’d be willing to waive the clause since it won’t affect him signing with another team. I can’t speak for Saito, but if I was in that position, and I liked the organization, I’d probably say “Sure, why the hell not?” and help them out.
I agree it probably won’t happen, but I was partially asking because I have no idea if a clause like that can even be waived.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
It was in his original contract and the Brewers agreed to it.
If nothing else, I’m pretty sure the union would have a fit over doing something like that.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Not only very unlikely and would the union go crazy
But incredibly stupid to do so. Basic contract law states that the writer of any contract has all of the control, and for someone to go and willingly do something to help the co party to an even more advantageous situation, would be unthinkable.
A good overview of the main points of the new CBA
Courtersy of Jayson Stark
A few things I had not read before including:
what happens if you trade for a play mid-season (you don’t get any compensation if he is a FA at the end of the year)
There will be more replays for fair/foul calls
26 man-rosters for day-night double headers
Plus it will be possible to trade certain draft picks
It is well worth a read.
I really like that the deadline for signing draft picks has been moved up to July
I didn’t know that had changed.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
A propos of nothing
This is the craziest video ever. Also, I have had this song stuck in my head for a week.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 12:04 PM CST reply actions
Weird
Looks like a Flight of the Conchords pastiche. Plus the song is too catchy. Plus it rhymes “electric feel” with “electric eel”. Plus they’re hippies. Plus I always imagined you’d be more into this type of thing…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
DFA Kameron Loe?
Great idea, further weaken the bullpen by getting rid of your now second best reliever.
I get what you're saying, but the article implies that getting rid of his high-ish salary would give them money to sign Saito or Hawkins or someone like that
So it could be considered a swap in a way. I’m not saying I agree with his entire analysis and I really doubt they’d DFA Loe or McGehee, both of which he suggests, but the argument isn’t that crazy in a world where everyone else is suggesting the Brewers will land Reyes.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 23, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Paying more for Hawkins is dumb, and Saito is too frail to make your 2nd reliever.
I think the Brewers would have to pay a fair amount more for a significant upgrade over Loe.
by Noah Jarosh on Nov 23, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
I endorse this comment 100%
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure of the market right now
But what if they could get a better RP than Loe for the $1.8m or whatever he’s going to be paid?
Get a ife broseph
Takashi Saito was worth that much.
But he can’t pitch in as many games as Loe can.
by Noah Jarosh on Nov 23, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see any way either of those two is taking less money than Loe
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Saito made $1.75m last year
And was injured for half of 2011 and a year older, would be surprised if he made more money in 2012.
Just saying letting Loe go isn’t crazy if there are other options for similar amount. If you’re certain that there aren’t better options, keep Loe.
Get a ife broseph
I don't think Saito is a better option
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I never worried when Saito was put in, personally.
I did have reservations when Loe and Hawkins were put in. I know we get to use Saito less than Loe, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t overall a better option. Just have to use him correctly (and that’s one of the things RRR actually did shockingly well on for the second half of the year). I get the injury and age concerns with Saito, but for whatever it’s worth, I’d rather have him on my team than Loe.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 23, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
See also
Hoffman, Trevor
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Is it a hypothetical stayed one season too long comparison?
Perhaps. But any pitcher at any time is capable of completely breaking down. Saito’s risk may be higher but I’m willing to take that risk.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 23, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Not necessarily
its the whole ‘players and pitchers in particular don’t just start having excellent seasons when they’re 42’ thing.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Also
He had a career low k/9, higher than career average BB/9, low BABIP, high strand rate and an xFIP 1.71 above his ERA, all in 26.2 IP. Loe appeared in over twice as many games, had a league average BABIP, slightly below average strand rate, career best K/9, career best BB/9, and an xFIP 0.72 below his ERA. He’s 11 years younger than Saito, and he induced 63.3% ground balls last year. In a year where the Brewers fielded perhaps the worst infield defense in the history of baseball. If the left side of the infield can be upgraded to just average defense, you’re looking at a guy who has far and away more value than Saito.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
You are good with stats and I'm not. I don't know that much about all of that.
And I don’t mean to sound as if I’m advocating DFA-ing Loe. My only thing is that I like Saito and felt really comfortable with him this year. More comfortable than Loe. Both pitchers need to be used in the right situation (though I understand this could be said of anybody, it is more true of these two than most). It seemed like a bad outing for Saito was a run in an inning. A bad outing for Loe was a total catastrophe. Maybe you have numbers that disprove that. I agree that the chances of a 42 year old having a great season are not high. But were the chances of a 41 year old having a great season high? Perhaps we should learn from Hoffman and Counsell. Perhaps Saito is different. We’ll find out soon. Given all the stats in the world, I’d still take Saito, I think.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 23, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
I guess we agree to disagree
the rate of regression for a 42 year old pitcher who should have had TJ surgery but instead chose to use an experimental platelet treatment are most likely astronomical. And for the very, very small amount of innings he pitched last year, I’d prefer to spend that money somewhere that the team can get significantly more use out of it.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Who?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure, agents found it weird when I called them asking what sort of money their clients were looking for
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/06/free-agent-pitchers.html
Get a ife broseph
I know its facetious
but I was wondering who you were suggesting.
I realize now that you weren’t suggesting there is a better option, you were just playing devil’s advocate.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
No, I'm suggesting the Brewers do their homework and look at the market before they offer Loe arb
Kyle Farnsworth signed for $2.25 last year, Dotel $3m, Koji $3m, if they can find a similar guy (or two), I think it might be worth it.
Its hard for me to argue for other players to sign for ~$2m when I don’t know what they would be looking for – the Brewers would have an idea of that.
Arguing for a team to explore the market shouldn’t cause others to argue with you.
Get a ife broseph
Really?
Arguing for a team to explore the market shouldn’t cause others to argue with you.
That’s all you were saying? It seemed like you were saying ‘I think the Brewers can find a cheaper option on the free agent market’.
Given Loe’s production and cost, I think that’s erroneous.
You also know better than to imply that I would argue that the team shouldn’t ‘explore the market’. I think it just comes down to you don’t value Loe much at all, and I think he’s a good value for his production. I also don’t think the Brewers need to go out wasting $3 or $4M each on a couple of bullpen arms.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 23, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
The orginal post...
But what if they could get a better RP than Loe for the $1.8m or whatever he’s going to be paid?
Emphasis added by me on the “what if” and the question mark at the end. If you read that as “I think the Brewers can find a cheaper option…” I don’t know what to tell you.
If they want to keep Loe, fine, he’s worth the money. Was only wondering what other options might be out there for similar money.
Get a ife broseph
In any case
We’re going to have to be scrap-heaping at least one position next year.
Whether it’s RP, a spot-fill IF, or SS. Payroll is the obvious constraint here, and I think everyone realizes this.
I think Loe is worth the ~$2M he’s most likely going to get in arb, but a catch to that is, if we (the educated baseball minds that we are) believe he’s worth ~$2M, what’s to leave him to ask for $2.5M/$2.75M and meet somewhere in the middle from that point?
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until it stops rolling and then pick it up." ~Bob Uecker
MLBTR says he'll get roughly $2.8mm.
And they’re typically pretty good at predicting arb numbers.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Re; Greinke/Beaker

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 23, 2011 4:22 PM CST reply actions
After giving Beaker some baseball accessories, I think Lar has a point, here.
The resemblance has a lot to do with the lower lip.
When I widened the Beaker picture, earlier, he looked more like Pete Rose than he did Zack Greinke. But Zack’s got a beaker mouth, for certain.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 23, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Braun
Thanks for the link to BLB! Always appreciated.
We’ve always found Braun oddly attractive… but now he’s smokin’.
by Sooze on Nov 23, 2011 5:51 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Offseason plan:
Re-sign Saito, use him to lure Hiroyuki Nakajima to Milwaukee.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Nov 23, 2011 7:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs











































