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While I have seen the Brewers predicatively linked to 1B free agents like Carlos Pena, and while I don't necessarily have loads of confidence in Mat Gamel myself, I think the two clearly more pressing needs for 2012 are SS and 3B.  The Brewers will definitely have to sign or trade for a starting SS in the next few weeks, and the tandem of Casey McGehee and Taylor Green is just not very good (or at least, probably has much less upside than Gamel at 1B and thus is a more clear route for improving the 2012 team).  

The Brewers have been linked to Jerry Hairston Jr. and may have already offered him a one-year deal, but I still don't see them using him as more than a super-utility guy again.  Given McGehee's epic collapse and the fact that he was finally benched in the offseason, I could see Melvin pursuing outside help at both SS and 3B.  Below are the obvious options at both positions, with salary predictions that I have either seen elsewhere on the internet or reasonable guesses based on 2011 salary/performance, and with an extremely crude "projection" of 2012 fWAR based on 60% 2011 fWAR/625 PA + 30% 2010 fWAR/625 PA + 10% 2009 fWAR/625 PA:

SHORTSTOP
Player '12 fWAR '12 Salary
Jose Reyes 5.2 $20 mil.
Jimmy Rollins 3.7 $14 mil.
Rafael Furcal 2.7 $10 mil.
Alex Gonzalez 1.8 $7 mil.
Ronny Cedeno 1.5 $3 mil.
Cesar Izturis 0.3 $1 mil.
Yuniesky Betancourt 0.3 $2 mil.
Orlando Cabrera -0.4 $1.5 mil.
Edgar Renteria 2.0 $2.5 mil.

 

THIRDBASE

Player '12 fWAR '12 Salary
Casey McGehee 1.4 $3.1 mil.
Taylor Green 1.0? $0.4 mil.
Aramis Ramirez 2.7 $11 mil.
Wilson Betemit 1.5 $2.5 mil.
Casey Blake 3.3 $6 mil.
Kevin Kouzmanoff 1.6 $3.5 mil.

 

Note: I am fully aboard the Nakajima-Train and want Melvin to pursue the Japanese star SS that was recently-posted, Hiroyuki Nakajima, but I'm not sure that's realistic enough to consider, sadly.

Assuming that the Brewers will not pay McGehee $3.1 million (est. arbitration salary) to be a bench 3B/1B and will either trade or non-tender him if he's not starting, I calculated a Brewers payroll at about $82 million without a starting SS or 3B.  That includes $3 million for JHJ or a similar player to play a super-utility role off the bench, and $2.5 million for a reliever (maybe bringing back Saito or Hawkins).  Since the payroll will probably be relatively high after the team's success and continued "win-now" mode, I think a total payroll of $95-96 million or so is possible.  That leaves around $13-14 million to fill SS and 3B.  Possible combinations using that money:

JOSE REYES: Reyes would not fit into the payroll unless the team shed some salary, most likely Randy Wolf.  The Brewers might be able to find a team willing to take on Wolf's $9.5 million but probably would not get a major league piece in return.  It would also mean the Brewers would have to non-tender McGehee and go with Green at 3B, since there would be no room for another 3B salary.  Thus:

Reyes (5.2 fWAR, $20 mil.) + Green (1.0 fWAR, $0.4 mil.) - Wolf (1.5 fWAR, $9.5 mil.) + Estrada? (0.5 fWAR, $0.4 mil.) = 5.2 fWAR + $2 million to spend

JIMMY ROLLINS:

Rollins (3.7 fWAR, $14 mil.) + Green (1.0 fWAR, $0.4 mil.) = 4.7 fWAR

RAFAEL FURCAL: If Furcal really costs $10 million/year, as I've seen predicted, it would leave just enough room for McGehee/Betemit/Kouzmanoff; since their projected performance is similar also, the team would most likely just stick with McGehee, giving:

Furcal (2.7 fWAR, $10 mil.) + McGehee (1.4 fWAR, $3.1 mil.) = 4.1 fWAR

ALEX GONZALEZ: Gonzalez should be cheap enough that the Brewers could add a 3B free agent not named Aramis Ramirez.  I haven't heard is name mentioned much at all, but Casey Blake looks like the clear target to me.  He is getting up there in age, so playing a full season may be a problem, but the team will still have at the least Green and hopefully JHJ to cover some starts as well.  Blake's production has actually been better than A-Ram over the past three seasons, and the $6 million estimated price tag might be high:

Gonzalez (1.8 fWAR, $7 mil.) + Blake (3.3 fWAR, $6 mil.) = 5.1 fWAR

RONNY CEDENO: Cedeno's "projected" performance isn't much worse than Gonzalez, but he figures to be much cheaper, making him a more attractive target perhaps, though with less upside.  Cedeno should be cheap enough that the Brewers could add a free agent 3B, most likely including Aramis Ramirez.  Assuming Blake can't handle an entire season anymore that might maximize the team's production better, but I kind of feel like A-Ram will be overpriced:

Cedeno (1.5 fWAR, $3 mil.) + Ramirez (2.7 fWAR, $11 mil.) = 4.3 fWAR

Cedeno (1.5 fWAR, $3 mil.) + Blake (3.3 fWAR, $6 mil.) = 4.8 fWAR + $4 million to spend

CESAR IZTURIS/YUNIESKY BETANCOURT/ORLANDO CABRERA:

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!

EDGAR RENTERIA: The numbers are still fairly kind to Renteria, which was surprising to me because I was under the impression that he was totally finished.  And maybe he is; he's definitely not capable of playing a full season anymore, but once again JHJ or another utility player could split time here.

Renteria (2.0 fWAR, $2.5 mil.) + Blake (3.3 fWAR, $6 mil.) = 5.3 fWAR + $4.5 million to spend

What's interesting about this?  These are very crude numbers obviously, but factoring in full seasons from Renteria and Blake, that tandem could very well be more valuable to the Brewers than unloading Wolf in order to get Reyes.  Renteria is not going to accumulate 625 PA though, so that 2.0 fWAR is is slightly misleading; then again, if he splits time with JHJ I don't think 2.0+ fWAR is out of the question.  If the Brewers went with Renteria/Hairston/Blake or Cedeno/Blake, they would even be left with enough money to upgrade the bullpen or, my preference, sign a second undervalued super-utility guy like Nick Punto to cover SS/3B.  They could also spend that money on a backup to Gamel at 1B.

However, my ultimate preference would be Alex Gonzalez and Casey Blake.  Based on the charts above, Cedeno looks like much better value than Gonzalez, but Cedeno is also riskier and with worse upside.  Assuming full seasons from each of Gonzalez/Blake and using the extremely crude "projections" from above, that tandem would be roughly equivalent to Reyes/Green (note: this all assume that Green is only a 1.0 fWAR player, but I'm not sure that's overly pessimistic...).  If you go by their best season from the previous three, Gonzalez (3.4 fWAR) + Blake (4.9 fWAR) = 7.3 fWAR "peak" value, which is likely similar to the "peak" of Reyes (6.2 fWAR) + Green (1.1+ fWAR).

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2011 Brewers: McGehee (0.3 fWAR) + Betancourt (0.5 fWAR) = 0.8 fWAR

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by SRB on Nov 25, 2011 2:58 AM CST reply actions  

P.P.S.

tldr; sign Casey Blake.

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by SRB on Nov 25, 2011 3:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Blake

Although I dont think that the Brewers can afford any of the other 3B available, Casey Blake’s projection is pretty, almost high on laughing gas, optimistic.

He is coming off of surgery on his neck, and is entering his age 38 season. I would put him more in the 1.8 range or so, which is about what you can expect from McGehee.

Without a major salary dumping move, the team cant really afford any of the better guys available out there (Furcal, Reyes, Rollins, Ramirez) and unfortunately the best option might be to stand pat.

Everyone has heard my beliefs on the issue, and a trade of Greinke or Marcum to acquire a piece they need in an mlb ready prospect, while also freeing up a lot of salary space is really the only way to get the team past an 84 win projection for me right now.

by backtocali on Nov 25, 2011 8:31 AM CST reply actions  

Is neck surgery notoriously damaging to a player's performance?

2011 fWAR/625 PA: 2.9
2010 fWAR/625 PA: 3.4
2009 fWAR/625 PA: 5.4

I understand factoring in a player’s age, which my “projection” didn’t directly do, but I think you may be going overboard a bit. He’s shown he’s still a very solid player, the only question is durability, and that’s why we would need someone like JHJ to split time at 3B.

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by SRB on Nov 25, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it realistic to extend his fWAR out to 625 PAs? He hasn't had that many PAs since 2007.

Plus, I think your already rough projection formula becomes even less reliable for older players.

Anyway, I think his neck surgery is a non-issue since it was for a pinched nerve. I’m guessing that if the Dodgers had been in playoff contention, he would’ve played through the pain.

I’d be surprised if he gets $6M next season considering his age and injury problems last season.

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by sjlee on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I used 625 because, depending on the quality of the player they bring in, that seemed like a fair average. Reyes, Rollins, A-Ram could get closer to 700, while Blake, Gonzalez, etc. would probably be below 625.

Blake’s averaged 132 games over the last five seasons, so I don’t think he’s overly fragile (and like you point out, a pinched nerve shouldn’t affect him in 2012).

And yeah, $6 million is probably high. That’s the option that the Dodgers turned down, so I just used that.

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by SRB on Nov 28, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the projection on Renteria is extremely bullish

He’s not going to stay healthy enough to post a 2.0 WAR. He’s way more likely to miss 50 games and post 1.0 WAR. I also think Gonzalez/Furcal are getting too much money in your predictions as well.

Furcal’s injury history and underperformance is going to get him a Barmes-like contract.

by cwolf20 on Nov 25, 2011 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

Yes, I noted that Renteria will not be able to play a full season.

But half season of Renteria + half season of JHJ could probably still put up 2.0+ fWAR.

And I’m just using salary predictions I saw elsewhere, I would love to get any of these players for cheaper if possible.

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by SRB on Nov 25, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Another Casey Blake plus:

He can play 1B, so if Gamel collapses or something you move Blake to 3B and start Green/JHJ at 3B.

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by SRB on Nov 26, 2011 4:21 PM CST reply actions  

over pay

I think the brewers will end up overpaying for Hairston Jr. and he will platoon with Taylor Green. Hairston Jr. brings some flexibility so he can play other positions for the additional money.

McGehee then moved over to first base and platoons with Mat Gamel because they have to save face with Gamel and finally try to make a position work for him.

That leaves them to sign Yunie for SS, where Hairston Jr. will also fill in.

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by storminTAZZ on Dec 5, 2011 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

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