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by Kyle Lobner on Nov 3, 2011 10:42 AM CDT
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A pair of Brewers picked up awards last night as Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder were named Silver Sluggers (FanShot). For Braun it's the fourth time in as many years: He's the first Brewer ever to win the award four times and the first NL outfielder to win four straight since Barry Bonds. It's Fielder's second such award: He won his other one in 2007.
You can see video of Ryan Braun's reaction to winning the award here. He told Adam McCalvy he was more excited for Prince Fielder. Braun and Fielder now combine for six of the franchise's 18 Silver Sluggers.
You may not have noticed a major difference, but the free agent market is open for the first time this morning. Justin Hull of The Home Stretch took a look at the Brewers' needs and possible acquisitions in yesterday's Daily Nickel. Brad of View From Bernie's Chalet thinks Prince Fielder and Francisco Rodriguez will sign with the Red Sox and Marlins but the Brewers will pick up Jose Reyes, Casey Kotchman and Frank Francisco. Mark J. Miller of Yahoo is also listing the Brewers as a frontrunner for Reyes.
Elsewhere in offseason notes: Craig Counsell, Mark Kotsay and Jerry Hairston Jr's free agency and Josh Wilson's outrighting means the Brewers will likely see a fair amount of turnover on the bench before next season. Brandon Berg of Chippewa.com has a look at their options.
The Crew will probably also see some turnover in the bullpen and hopefully at shortstop. Matthew Pouliot of Hardball Talk ranked Takashi Saito, LaTroy Hawkins and Yuniesky Betancourt as this winter's 83rd, 75th and 71st most valuable free agents, respectively.
Betancourt, by the way, is the subject of this week's Thursday Thinker discussing shortstops who have played more than 149 games in a season.
The Brewers still could offer Betancourt arbitration, but just 13% of voters in this week's BCB Tracking Poll think they should. Voters do think the Brewers should attempt to retain Jerry Hairston Jr, Takashi Saito and LaTroy Hawkins.
It'll probably be a while yet before we have any actual offseason moves to discuss, but here's something to ponder in the meantime: Dave Cameron's Offseason Plan at USS Mariner has Seattle trading first baseman Mike Carp to the Brewers for Casey McGehee and Marco Estrada. Carp is 25 and hit .276/.326/.466 with 12 home runs in 79 games for the Mariners last season.
Speaking of McGehee, Jim Breen of Bernie's Crew noted that MLB Trade Rumors projected him to earn over $3 million in arbitration next season. I think McGehee is an interesting candidate to bounce back but if he's going to get that much money it might make sense to non-tender him.
Grady Sizemore is a name that's come up several times this week: He could be an interesting signing this winter but the Brewers may not have a spot for him if they're unwilling to move Corey Hart to first base. Sizemore's agent says his client is "open to anything," but "anything" in this case appears to mean "jobs in center or a corner outfield spot."
Dale Sveum's Offseason Adventure continued yesterday as he interviewed for Boston's managerial vacancy and met with reporters afterward. It remains to be seen what will happen there, but even if he doesn't get that job it sounds like he could be a top candidate in Chicago.
Given the volume of times Zack Greinke was unlucky (or "unlucky") this season, you'd think he'd want a new number: Flip Flop Fly Ball notes that Greinke is one of 25 players around the majors to wear #13.
In the minors:
- Scooter Gennett had three hits yesterday in Peoria's 4-2 win over Salt River. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
- Brandon Kintzler made his AFL debut yesterday, but was roughed up a bit and was unable to finish an inning. It was his first game action since May.
- Even with the win yesterday, Peoria is still only 12-13 and currently seven games back with 12 to play.
- The Brewers are opening a new facility in the Dominican Republic today, and Adam McCalvy has the first look.
Our MVBrewer series continued yesterday: Nyjer Morgan won the voting for the #7 spot and was profiled here. Rickie Weeks is currently leading the balloting for the #8 spot.
Around baseball:
Athletics: Designated reliever Trystan Magnuson for assignment.
Braves: Removed catcher J.C. Boscan, reliever Stephen Marek and outfielders Wilkin Ramirez and Antoan Richardson from their 40 man roster. All will be free agents.
Cubs: Fired manager Mike Quade (FanShot).
Diamondbacks: Re-signed shortstop John McDonald to a two year, $3 million deal and announced that catcher Henry Blanco has rejected his half of a mutual option and is now a free agent.
Dodgers: Re-signed outfielder Juan Rivera to a one year, $4.5 million deal with a club option for 2013.
Mariners: Infielder Luis Rodriguez has elected to become a free agent.
Nationals: Re-signed pitcher Chien-Ming Wang to a one year deal.
Orioles: Claimed reliever Darren O'Day off waivers from the Rangers and announced that catcher/first baseman Jake Fox has elected to become a free agent.
Rangers: Removed pitchers Eric Hurley, Omar Beltre and Merkin Valdez, infielder Andres Blanco and utilityman Esteban German from their 40 man roster. All will be free agents.
Today in former Brewers:
- Tom Brunansky is now the hitting coach for AAA Rochester (h/t @BBBookReviews).
- Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus has a look back at some of the early Elias rankings for free agents. The 1982 rankings listed Rick Burleson ahead of reigning MVP Robin Yount and Doug Corbett ahead of Rollie Fingers.
- Robin Yount (facing Alvaro Espinoza) and Davey Lopes (facing Bobby Grich) are in the first round of The Outside Corner's Mustache Madness tournament.
Maybe once that mustache tournament is over, they can have a unibrow challenge. At NotGraphs, The Common Man dug up an old Vin Scully Gillette commercial that features Wally Moon and the greatest single eyebrow of all time.
I've already mentioned this week's Thinker, but if that wasn't enough for you then you should try this one: I was able to name 22 major league GM's.
If you're wondering why teams like the Brewers are having a hard time finding offensive upgrades this winter, here's part of the reason: High Heat Stats notes that offense across baseball was down significantly in 2011, continuing a trend. Baseball In-Depth notes that walk totals this season were the lowest they've been in over a decade.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I've found the silver lining.
Drink up.
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Yeah, that thing is Richard-Stallman's-Tour-Rider level of crazy.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Nov 3, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I mean...really????
Trade RHP Michael Pineda, RHP Brandon League, OF Greg Halman, 3B Chone Figgins (with Seattle absorbing $16 of remaining $17 million on Figgins’ contract), and SS Carlos Triunfel to Cincinnati for 1B Joey Votto and C Yasmani Grandal.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Nov 3, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Chone Figgins?
good lord
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That is exactly what I said when I read it
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
Reyes
I have been seeing an awful lot of sources linking the Brewers as front runners for reyes…first, does anyone think that will fit in the payroll without dealing marcum or wolf and non-tendering or trading casey? Second, how worried are you about his injury history? I personally think it would be great if for no other reason than he is great with the glove which the rest of the Brewers seem to not care about, but the injury history scares the crap out of me. Granted its generally hamstring stuff which a. means they will always be a problem but b. they will never keep you out for that long unless you tear them which he has not done to my knowledge…
He would solve our largest problem
But would create another by bloating payroll. But if Mark A is feeling spendy I’ve got no problem welcoming Reyes to the Crew.
My gut tells me that this is not the kind of move that DM or the Brewers make, however.
Question
Assume both Fielder and Reyes are going to get paid the same crap ton of money and Mark A is willing to go that high.
Who would you rather have? (The other would be replaced by someone replacement level)
I hate Yuni.
by BrewCrewBrian on Nov 3, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Reyes, hands down
I love Prince, but a shortstop that can both hit and field is rarer than a John Madden eight-legged turkey.
by nullacct on Nov 3, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is true and I fully agree with it
as long as we’re speculating, anyway.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Fielder
If the money and years is the same I would chose Fielder. Prince has been more durable so I would pick him. I would then sign someone like Barmes for shortstop.
I just dont see the Brewers signing either. Prince is looking for a mega contract that the Brewers cant pay and Reyes is also out of our price range. Look for Melvin to resign Yuni for 2 mil instead of the 4 we would have paid besides the buyout and expect some overpaid middle relievers.
My plan would be sign Barmes for shortstop and play Green. I would also try to trade Marcum to Boston for Youkilis. If Boston says no I would deal Marcum for a good AA bat and play Gamel at first.
by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 3, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Prince and I wouldn't hesitate
I also think Prince is going to get a lot more money and years than Reyes will anyways.
Get a ife broseph
Youkilis' comes with his own ambulance and hospital in that trade, right?
And since Theo’s not there, he can’t send a “LOL” text to Doug? That’s the premise?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Sweet.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
by Yar Nivek on Nov 3, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
awesome
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't really want to trade Marcum
You’d think it would take longer than one season for Brewer fans to be numb to the pain of not having enough pitching.
by nullacct on Nov 3, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Marcum
I absolutely want to trade Marcum and didnt want to make that trade to begin with. I have read that Kansas City wants to trade for pitching and Marcum is from the state so hopefully we look to make a deal with them.
I am totally against giving Marcum and his bad mechanics a long term deal so I would rather deal him now versus letting him walk for draft picks if that is even an option at that point. The Royals have a real good farm system and I would look for some young bats in a trade for Marcum but we all know that Melvin doesnt like trading for talent that is not major league ready. That is why we traded for Mench, Nix and Cordero instead of looking for top prospects in the Carlos Lee deal.
by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 3, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
My first thought too.
If KC wanted a good pitcher who was a free agent after next year, they probably just would have held on to Greinke.
The only team that would take Marcum is one that wants to "go all in"
He probably nets a top 75 type hitting prospect, but if its not a mlb ready player (with at least a cup of coffee) the best it does for the Brewers is save about $5 million in salary.
Greinke is the guy you really want to move if you want a long term plan that also doesnt murder chances for next year, as well as free up salary space.
Kansas City isnt the place for either of these guys despite the strong farm system. Texas, Cincinnati perhpas, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Boston, Yankees, Arizona or the Angels are probably safer bets for either guy.
Am I the only person in the room who values Marcum's 20 quality starts?
The fact that he was one of only sixteen pitchers this season with 200+ IP and a WHIP under 1.200? Seriously? You’d rather flirt with the likes of Jeff Suppan, Doug Davis and David Bush?
by nullacct on Nov 3, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Me too
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
If you could work out the trade
Yonder Alonso probably, plus it gives you $5 million extra to spend elswhere on an upgrade.
Could you work out the deal for him? Who knows? But if the Reds wanted to make a run and trade a guy who has no place to play, there’s your deal.
The Blue Jays probably didnt value it as much, and will be lauging about the return they got for him for perhaps 6 more seasons.
I feel like that would be a fantastic deal for the Brewers.
6 years of Alonso + 1 year of Marcum for 6 years of Lawrie?
Actually, looking at Alonso's minor league stats
I’m not that impressed. I dunno if I like that trade or not.
MiLB isnt about statistics and winning
Its about development. I would say Alonso had pretty impressive numbers throughout his minor league career. He broke his hamate bone in 2009, has been a top 100 prospect for 3 straight years, was blocked positionally by Joey Votto, and had an impressive showing this past August/September when finally called up.
Trade probably never happens, but if you get the Reds to agree to it, either straight up for Marcum or as part of a deal for Greinke where they also send Grandal and another prospect, its a very good return for the Brewers, and doesnt damage them short term either.
You're not alone in not being impressed with Alonso
Though people who worship the BA top 100 probably are.
Goldstein at BP has him a 3 star prospect, #6 in the Reds system and a perfect world projection a " second-division starter at first base"
Get a ife broseph
Why would you help the Reds
Go ‘all in’ next year? Not very smart for a Brewer team that might very well have only next year to make a run themselves.
by Tristram28 on Nov 4, 2011 9:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You may help them go all in for one year
But steal a productive player of theirs for 6 years.
Id say the Brewers get the better return in that scenario for the long term.
yeah, I see what you're saying
I guess my thought is that given the upcoming issues of finances and lack of farm system depth, as I’m sure most of us are well aware, 2012 is pretty important for the Crew and I would not want to help out a division rival in any way whatsoever for this next year, regardless of the long term value.
Now if Cincinnati wants to do something ridiculous, like trade Zack Cozart for Marcum, then I’ll be sure to give DM my consent. =]
Who's replacing the 2.7 WAR that Marcum put up this year?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You can always look
here for payroll questions.
But the short answer is no.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
A big bump in payroll wouldn't shock me
Have there been any comments about what they’re looking at for next year? I’d be pretty curious.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Nov 3, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Payroll wise?
The commitments to Weeks, Hart, Gallardo and Braun are the only thing on the books in 2013, but that takes up in excess of $40M. Yikes.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
No, thinking about them bumping it up to $100m +
Basically wondering if he’s made any comments about a ballpark range that they’re looking at.
Get a ife broseph
Ahh
Well, they’ve never exceeded $95M in franchise history, so I can’t see it ever going past that. Unless they decide to raise ticket prices, or the BES gets going.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
This would be the year to go above $95
With Greinke and Wolf coming off the books next year and home playoff revenue they’ve never had before.
We’ll see, I think they might go near $100m but just guessing.
Get a ife broseph
The thing that I'm concerned about with that
is 2013. Let’s say you do sign Reyes to something like a 5 year $115M deal at something like 18/22/25/25/25. Then in 2013, you have Braun, Gallardo, Weeks, Hart and Reyes making 60.83M. That leaves $40M to cover arbitration raises and fill in the holes left.
In ‘13, there are, assuming everything stays constant with today’s roster and no one is cut or non-tendered:
Axford and Narveson are arb eligible for the first time, we’ll assume on the low side, $2M each.
Kottaras, Morgan, McGehee arb2 we’ll assume $1M, $2.5M, $3.25M.
Parra arb3 $2.5M
Loe and Gomez arb4 $2.5M and $3M.
So that’s an extra $16.75M, bringing things up to $77.08M, and there are only 13 players on the 25 man roster. The team would still need: 1B, three SP, and a combination of 8 bench and bullpen players.
It just makes me nervous that the team will become so bloated on so few players that they won’t be very good because they won’t be able to afford to fill in guys where they need them.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You see Reyes making that much?
You’re more up to date on the salary rumors I think, so take your word. Yeah, would be against dropping $25m on any player not named Braun.
I think once guys like Gomez, Loe, Narveson, Parra, Kottaras, McGehee or even Morgan start to get into arbitration and cost more, they’ll be let go. The farm system sucks, but there are going to be pitchers and role players (like the guys above) they’ll be able to at least try out in some of those spots.
I guess I was just saying I could see them dropping $100m-$110m this year, maybe on bigger one year deals for positions like 1B, SS or bullpen – and I would guess they at least kick the tires on Reyes and see what he’s going to want or what the market is like.
Get a ife broseph
I'm not really positive on Reyes
but I’m assuming that it will probably be in the neighborhood of $100M, and the $15M is sort of a ‘small market premium’. I mean if you were used to playing and living in New York City and someone said “hey, come live in Milwaukee!” it might be a little bit of a let-down.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah true
SS usually don’t make that much, with the short shelf-life they have at the position. Jeter and Hanley will lead the way with $15m next year, not many other guys above $10.
Worth checking out at least – I don’t think the reports of the Brewers having interest are far off.
Now getting into a bidding war….
Get a ife broseph
True
It could be more in the $75 or $80 range, too.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewer set prices for NLCS, so I assume they'd get it
And I’m not sure where else the revenue from Beer, Food, Parking, Advertising would go to or how that would work.
Get a ife broseph
Interesting article
Have to run so can’t really read that carefully, but looks like its split some but teams can make a good amount of revenue with those games.
Love the rules put in place to curb players from throwing games.
Get a ife broseph
General parking was $30
even if they had to split it, they made a killing on parking alone. I went to 2 games and spent roughly $400 on moderate tickets, parking, concessions & souveniers. Wow, that’s a shit ton of money even if a stadium full of people only spent half that.
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
Yeah, from the aricle
The Angels reported an extra $12.5M in revenue from hosting 5 playoff games in 2009.
Brewers had 6 playoff games, so even if they are way different than the Angels, you’d figure it is at least approaching 8 figures.
Get a ife broseph
Signing Reyes would already raise payroll well over what it's ever been.
It also prevents the Brewers from signing anybody to fill the bench, the bullpen, first base, third base, or anything else pretty much.
Careful with the word "sources"
This is all blind speculation. I suspect most of it is being brought up because of Braun’s comments.
This likely means nothing, but I found it curious.
If you go here and go to the Players tab to find player specific videos, Prince Fielder isn’t listed anymore.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
Ahh. You're right. That's what I get for kneejerk reactioning a comment here.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
Joe Maddon and STL
Tampa Bay Rays manager Joe Maddon, the popular choice among a segment of the organization as well as a large swatch of the fan base, apparently is not in play. Multiple sources said Wednesday the Cardinals had not sought permission from the Rays to interview Maddon, who remains under contract through next season and is expected to sign an extension prior to spring training.
Get a ife broseph
Damn
I actually like him. So many conflicting emotions would ensue.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
Wait a minute. Yuni is a "better" free agent than Hawkins or Saito?
How is the ever-durable worst starter in baseball better than solid but old/injury prone relievers?
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
I'd assume age as well
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
#13s
A lot of them are shortstops or former shortstops, not just the Venezuelans (and Concepcion and younger retired shortstops who admired him, like Ozzie Guillen, are part of that)
However, Jerry Blevins really needs to change his number.
Are all the national pundits who claim we will sign Reyes
Idiots, or do they no something we don’t? I’m leaning towards idiots.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
Yeah, I'm guessing this.
Brewers need a shortstop, let’s connect them with an expensive shortstop.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Also
I’m an idiot for using “no” instead of “know”
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
by mnbrewer on Nov 3, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was so funny to me though
and for a minute I thought to myself “wait…is he being ironic?”
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 3, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
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