hearing #brewers believe they have almost no hope for prince and are now targeting jose reyes
I have a hard time believing they have much hope for Reyes either, but maybe they'll drive the price up for someone else.
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Kyle Lobner
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So why "pursue" Reyes in the first place?
Is it all part of the game to drive the price up for other teams? It seems like the Brewers front office would just be wasting time and energy that could be going into finding an affordable setup man or negotiating with Barmes’ agent or whatever.
Isn't this what Heyman and Rosenthal do?
They essentially work for the agents because specific agents ‘leak’ them info.
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by Charlie Marlow on Nov 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Premier SS tough to find
Can go 1-year deal on 1B or use an internal option. No internal option at SS and if you can get a premier SS, you have a leg up because that position is down in the NL right now
Agreed, I think it'd be insane to not at least kick the tires on him.
They have cheap internal options at every other opening.
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Nov 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
although, the usual stipulations apply.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 8, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think the Brewers should go after Reyes
He’s no guarantee to stay healthy and what’s the point in keeping him around for 5+ years if he can’t stay healthy?
Plus the Brewers can’t really afford to give up picks considering that they still have a bad farm system. Although it is nice to be in a “win now” mode, the Brewers would be very short-sighted to only focus on short-term success and not even considering the long-term success that comes with a good farm system.
Sometimes I think the Brewers are so obssessed with winning right away that they don’t give any thought to long-term success. I know that draft picks aren’t a sure thing, it’s still important to replenish the farm system.
Go ahead, make my day.
They'd give up the 28th pick
and they’d get one back that’s better when someone signs Fielder. Unless its protected, and then the difference between their 28th overall and a 1b pick isn’t all that big.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 8, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
They can't really sign Reyes unless they can afford him.
If they can sign Reyes for an amount they can afford, I think that’s worth a first round pick.
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Nov 8, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
IF he can stay healthy
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Nov 8, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was a fair point.
Money/risk should be a factor in the decision to sign Reyes. The draft pick is an afterthought in that conversation.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Exactly.
The assumption is that Reyes will cost more than the Brewers have to spend on a shortstop.
If it turns out that Mark A. finds an extra Scrooge McDuck vault-pool full of money he forgot he had, or if Reyes turns out to command less on the open market than we all assume he will, then the value there is worth losing the supplemental pick.
fka "warwick5s"
wow, that is some impressive trolling there
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 8, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Obvious by now
that this organization doesnt think about the future whatsoever and its gonna cost us big time one of these days. We have a manager that is deathly afraid to play young players for fear that they will completely panic in a major league setting. We have an owner that rarely goes over slot to sign draft picks and we are almost nonexistent in the foreign markets.
Melvin also insists on getting major league ready talent in every deal he makes instead of looking for upside that might take time to get to the majors. This is why he trade for Mench, Nix and Cordero for Carlos Lee instead of trading for prospects with upside.
We cannot afford an injury prone Reyes. The potential of 15-20 mil being spent on a guy who has leg problems when he is a speed player is a recipe for disaster. If we had a better scouting director and paid more attention to the minor leagues we wouldnt have to overpay for free agents.
by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Your argument is based on draft pick compensation being a part of the new CBA
I don’t think that has been finalized yet, so it’s possible that won’t be an issue since it won’t be part of it.
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I heard the new CBA is going to be announced this week.
Since we haven’t heard any updates on draft slotting or compensation, I’m guessing changes either:
A) Won’t happen, or
B) Will be phased in.
I think there would be massive howls of protest if the compensation rules were suddenly changed now. Teams like the Padres held on to guys like Heath Bell because they were expecting that compensation.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 8, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
I never took it as a serious possibility that a change to the free agency compensation system, if they happen at all, would go into effect this offseason.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 8, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
1st round pick =/= 3rd round pick
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Nov 8, 2011 3:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There's really not huge differences in talent once you get past the first 15-20 or so picks
Draft success is mostly attributed to how much a team spends in the draft, its much different than the NFL or NBA.
If they really don’t like any of the guys to go over-slot, pay more money for a Latin American signing. Losing the 28th pick in the draft is a very minor deal and certainly shouldn’t hold up an impact signing.
Get a ife broseph
i'd be more comfortable with this if reyes had a history of being durable
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Nov 8, 2011 4:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Right, I'd need to see the years/money on Reyes before I have an opinion
Was more responding to: “Plus the Brewers can’t really afford to give up picks” part of your post.
With prior planning, they can easily make up for losing the pick.
Get a ife broseph
Randomly looking at past drafts in which Brewers lost a pick
2005 they lost the 35th pick when they signed Damien Miller (WTF?).
They got Braun, but also drafted Inman, Gamel, Brantley and Taylor Green. Drafted, and nearly signed Jemile Weeks and Andrew Bailey. They also signed Wily Peralta out of DR. What a crazy year for Jack Z and company.
Get a ife broseph
I didn't realize that the Brewers drafted Jemile Weeks
Would’ve been interesting if they had actually been able to have both Weeks brothers on the team.
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I don't think the draft pick is worth any consideration at all.
If you’re talking about a potential nine-figure deal, I don’t think the draft pick comes into consideration.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
but seriously
leave the business sense to the owners/gm’s of the world. As a Brewers fan OF COURSE i want the best player available for a position we need help in. It’s a no-brainer. It’s not my money (well, i guess it kind of is as a ssh)
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by Yar Nivek on Nov 8, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
not getting my hopes up
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 8, 2011 12:02 PM CST reply actions
I read that without the "p" in hopes the first time.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Would signing Reyes prevent the Brewers from resigning Greinke?
If yes, then I’d say Reyes is an obvious no.
by KittenMittons on Nov 8, 2011 12:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I believe it's one or the other
Since the Brewers aren’t the Yankees, they’ll have to pick between Greinke and Reyes. If I were them, I’d go with Greinke.
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Nov 8, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
You're assuming that Greinke would sign with the Brewers.
If they skip Reyes to sign Greinke and then fail to sign Greinke, some people will be pissed.
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by Yar Nivek on Nov 8, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
from all indications, it seems like Greinke would be willing to sign long term with Milwaukee.
of course that doesn’t mean shit if the Brewers don’t sign him. I do agree with your point.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 8, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I feel like Greinke probably hates living in Milwaukee
He’s way too well-known. I think the thing he hates more than anything is random people talking to him on the street, etc.
I think you're putting words in his mouth.
There was a great article in the Kansas City Star this season about how Greinke is dealing with his new city/team.
But the last few months have been "the best weather I’ve ever seen." His wife, Emily, still loves Kansas City but is becoming closer friends with some of the other players’ wives. Greinke knows a few restaurants now, has his favorite spot by the water, and is pitching for a winning team that mostly lets him be.
Happiness means something different to all of us. This is pretty close to Greinke’s definition.
"We’ve been talking about it lately," he says, meaning his wife. "We really like it here."
Yes, there are some quotes in there about people recognizing him, and how people stayed out of his hair in KC, but those seem to be minor annoyances thrown in there because he’s writing to a KC audience.
by tcyoung on Nov 8, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he's gonna be well-known regardless of what city he pitches in, he's a Cy Young winner.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 8, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
There's just way less of a chance that he gets "OH MY GOD ITS DONALD GREINKE"
In New York as opposed to Milwaukee. I’d say one thing he has going here that he didn’t have in KC is that he’s not the face of the franchise. Braun is.
I don't think it's one or the other, simply because they have Wolf and Marcum coming off the books after next season.
Sure, a good portion of those savings will be eaten up by raises to Braun, Hart, Gallardo, Axford, and Narveson, but there will still be money left over. We would have to fill those starting spots from within, though.
I don’t think we should, but I think it’s possible to sign both.
Payroll
Whatever the increase in revenue was this past season is only going to be good for the upcoming season. In addition, I seriously doubt he’d be willing to put all $20M from the increased media contract back into the team payroll.
Translation… The extra money is nice, but it’s not nearly enough to sustain a high team payroll for very long.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
The point is, if the revenue increase was worth it, he would want the team to be as successful as possible so he could repeat those financial results.
As for the media contract, I’d actually be surprised if the bulk of that money doesn’t go right back into the team. Maybe not entirely payroll but I’d bet a lot of it will.
Most teams that are well run continually reinvest and it’s not like this is how Mark A makes his living, he’s owns the team because he wants to have a winning team.
I have no concept.
The Brewers are usually pretty thrifty
Five of the nine guys in the starting lineup were home grown (Lucroy, Weeks, Braun, Fielder, Hart), Morgan was a giveaway, our #1 starter was a draft pick (Gallardo), and a few other prominent guys were picked up off the scrap heap (Axford, McGehee, Loe, Narveson). There are times however where the only currency that cuts a deal is cash, and that’s when you open your wallet and pay for a fix. There is no Magical Shortstop Fairy who’s going to leave an all-star under our pillow, if we want one we’re going to have to buy one.
The quality of player and duration of contract will determine how much we commit to, but it would be foolish to pretend that we aren’t in the market for a free agent shortstop – we are.
by nullacct on Nov 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Why don't we just make a run at Furcal?
A fraction of the price of Reyes for 1/2 the years required. Plus, I would rather not see him kill us again next year.
Reyes @ 5yrs-100+ or Furcal @ 3yrs- 30-35 mil?
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If Doug spends 10M a year on Furcal I will blow a gasket
He’s only played 184 games over the past two years and is 34 years old. Plus he had the exact same end of season fWAR as Yuni last year. I know Furcal obviously has had better production than Yuni historically, but I don’t think Furcal’s arrow is pointed up at this point in his career.
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Yuni had a 2.9 fWAR in 2010?
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Jebus I read it as Yuni had the same WAR as Reyes for some reason.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Have to agree with the other two here.
Furcal should be considered as well, but for nowhere near 10 mil. Then it becomes as bad a signing as 100 mil for Reyes.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 8, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
$10 million/year for Furcal?
Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Sign Reyes, jettison Wolf's contract, sign Branyan, extend Greinke
Boom!
I really do think they should trade Wolf though. They could probably get something pretty decent in return.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
I'm all for trading Wolf if that means the Brewers sign Reyes
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 9, 2011 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
While I don't believe it very much...
It makes sense to go after Reyes. Yuni was quite a frustration overv most of the year, and it was not a position of strength for us. if, and this is a huge if, we are able to sign him, we can move our exsisting roster around.
1. 1B – Hart – He can’t field the outfield, so use his power in a location where his height may actually help him.
2. RF/CF Morgan – use him in matchups at CF with Gomez as well as with another decent fielding OF.
3. SS – Reyes – This lineup basically features 3 leadoff guys, great run productions for Braun. Batting with Ryan’s protection, he’ll be possibly fighting for .400.
4. RF – Braun – need I say more?
5. 2B – Weeks – he’s the only player on our lineup really that can give him any protection.
6. 3B – Green/McGeehee – Mighty Casey strikes up too much, give the kid a chance to see what he’s got.
7. CF – Gomez / FA OF – When he hits things, he hits them hard. Hopefully someone can work on teaching him a batters eye, and fix the hole(s) in his swing.
8. C – Lucroy / Kottaras – if everything else works out, 7, 8, 9 would be the weak spot in the lineup. 1-6 would kill.
Missing a left fielder there
I’d sign Reyes for 6/$90, pick up someone like Andruw Jones cheap to spell Gamel at 1B.
1B - Gamel 1. Reyes 2B - Weeks 2. Plush/Green SS - Reyes 3. Weeks 3B - Green 4. Braun C - Lucroy/Kottaras 5. Hart LF - Braun 6. Gamel CF - Gomez/Plush 7. Green/Gomez RF - Hart 8. Lucroy/Kottaras
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