MILW last formal offer to Prince Fielder was 5/100, but as part of current talks, they've let it be known that they could stretch to 6/120.
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Too much.
I am will be glad when it gets turned down for a better offer.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
totally agree how much pitching would 120 mil over 6 buy you
A lot with a little left over for a SS :) Loved you Prince here are some nice parting gifts have fun in your new city eat a lot, relax and learn to embrace the role that is the DH. This club cannot afford to get stuck with a Barry Zito like contract and that is what paying you all that money would be like.
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I'm sure that's the case
They had to make an offer… at the very least to show to fans that they at least made an attempt. The offer is probably the best that the Brewers could offer, but will likely not be nearly enough to land Fielder.
I am surprised that they tacked on an additional year to the last offer and kept the yearly average the same. While the offer will likely come up short, that amount would really handicap the team in the future.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Then we would have the third most valuable hitter in the NL through 2017
by nullacct on Dec 1, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And the second
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and no money for pitching
we have tried the whole win with Just Ryan Prince and Yo and how did that work out for us pitching is more important than Prince in my book and all Prince cares about is maxing his payday, Milwaukee means nothing to him so I have mentally let him go I hope he goes to the Cubs so he is in our division when we win it all :)
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Except
It wasn’t the pitching performance hurt the team this season. It was little to no value given by 3B and SS, as well as missing many starters to injuries (Greinke, Weeks, Hart and Lucroy).
Agreed, though that the Brewers cannot afford to keep Prince on that contract… unless Attanasio decides to up the payroll.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
And the second most valuable with Braun
and then a bunch of guys you fill in because you can’t afford anything more.
Sounds like it sucks pretty hard to me.
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 2, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Tweet by BCB on Twitter was misleading
It said that the Brewers had offered 6 years / $120 million, but I think the more accurate way to say it is that the Brewers would be willing to offer 6 years / $120 million.
I only bring it up because Buster Olney tweeted back that he didn’t say what was tweeted from the BCB Twitter account..
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Splitting hairs.
Telling Fielder they’d be willing to offer him $120 million and offering him $120 million isn’t really different, to me.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 1, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I think it’s more that they are interested and are telling him their ceiling so he knows to come back to them if he’s considering a <$120 million offer, rather than a formal offer. Seems like Prince doesn’t have any of those yet.
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by SRB on Dec 1, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
So what you're telling me is, they've told him how much they'd be willing to pay him.
That’s different from an offer how?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Because if it’s an actual offer and he says “ok” they have a binding contract (it’s more complicated than that in this context, but the Brewers would be contractually liable to some degree). They don’t want to commit at this point for a variety of reasons.
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by SRB on Dec 1, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
So if they had said they were willing to offer him $120 million and he says "Ok, I'll take that," you think there's a chance they'll back out?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Then it’s Fielder making the offer the Brewers have the ability to accept or not, which is weird in this context, but they aren’t bound by anything. If they had said we are going to make you a $120 million offer than they would already be liable to some degree, but I’m guessing they just said something more vague like “$120 million would be our ceiling,” in the hope that if Prince gets a lesser offer than that he doesn’t accept it outright without further negotiations with Milwaukee.
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by SRB on Dec 1, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If Prince made it known that he would sign right now for $120 million, I suspect the Brewers might jump on that and work out a formal offer/contract – though I still don’t see how they can physically fit him in the payroll – but that doesn’t mean they’ve made him an actual $120 million offer at this point.
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by SRB on Dec 1, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
If he had accepted their "willingness to offer" six years and $120 million, I think they would've had an "official" offer on paper before he left the room.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Also, making an offer is not the same as signing a contract
No one is bound if one person says “how about 6/120?” and the other person says “sure”. Not until there are signatures on papers is it binding.
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 1, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
In theory yes, but the Brewers can still find themselves liable if they make a formal offer and Prince relies on it by turning down other offers.
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I'm sure that teams would stop talking to Boras if he pulled that shit on them
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 2, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I think it’s the other way around. Agents would stop talking to the Brewers if they pulled that shit on Prince/Boras. An offer is an offer. Hence, why this was not an offer…
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So...agree to disagree, I guess?
I mean, do agents just stop dealing with teams when they cut their clients after Spring Training so they don’t have to pay them anymore? Will Jeff Suppan’s agent never deal with them?
I think you’re skating on a thin ice argument.
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 2, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That scenario isn’t remotely comparable. Giving Prince a fake offer for $120 million that he relies on in turning down other offers, and then when he tries to accept saying it was a fake offer, is absurd and would never happen for very good reason.
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by SRB on Dec 3, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Let's say Boras goes, "OK we like that, let's talk."
And the contract ends up being 6/132. Then Buster gets all sorts of idiots going, “WTH, I thought it was only supposed to be $120.”
Isn't that sort of what he's signed up for?
dealing with a bunch of uninformed idiots? I mean he writes for ESPN. If he doesn’t like dealing with them, he can just ignore them.
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 2, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
although if Fielder ends up signing a 6/120 with the Brewers, I’m sure Olney will say he reported the offer first.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 1, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Elephant in the room
Prince Fielder is an all-time Milwaukee baseball great, but $20 million/year is too much money for him, especially for a team like the Brewers.
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Curious if they are offering an opt out
I can’t imagine anyone is willing to go 7 years with prince, but a opt out after two years and he can probably sign another 5 year deal.
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by Getting Yosted on Dec 1, 2011 8:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
My question is...
It has been well documented that the brewers have very little money to offer anyone because of other obligations. Short of getting rid of quite a bit, where is this money going to come from? Unless attanasio is thinking of stretching the budget far beyond anything we have discussed which would just lead to him losing money….
Somebody would have to get traded, unless Mark A. is willing to take a one-year hit and go over $100 million for the payroll
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Which is potentially an option
If Fielder comes back and they even slightly upgrade the shortstop position while losing, say, Corey Hart replacing him with Nyjer Morgan, they’re looking at bringing back nearly the same production to go offseason. He was slightly below expected payroll last year since he didn’t get a mid-season acquisition they were planning on with what we can assume to be slightly lower revenues (attendance was up, but I recall a study saying concession sales were down across the board). Don’t forget the nice postseason paycheck.
Every year the Brewers can pull in 3 million fans is a year he’s increased the value of the franchise. If the fanbase is confident enough that this team could make the post-season again they might start coming out in big numbers throughout the season rather than only at the end. A single season of ~$100 million payrool could still make economic sense on the whole for him taking into account franchise value.
But we all know $20 million / year isn’t going to get it done. Fielder seems to like Milwaukee and all, but doubtfully enough to turn down an extra $3-4 million / year. $1 million, well, then we’re talking. The 2-year opt out clause above could certainly take the sting out of missing out on $4 million over two years. If they’re actually willing to talk 6/120 with an opt out, I’ll admit there’s a much better chance of signing him than I ever thought possible.
*same production to get to the postseason
All payroll not payrool. Stupid clicking before re-reading.
So Braun, Gomez, Morgan OF?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 2, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Heh
Defense would be better, but at most only 2 out of 3 would be hitting well each game.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yeah, as long as Morgan continues where he left off
Not particularly opposed, just was wondering.
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~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 2, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
I actually don't think its been well documented
Past years have been documented, but nothing about this year and future (With TV money coming in) has been.
Get a ife broseph
So your argument is
“no one knows until we know”?
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~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 2, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Ah that always makes sense.
At my job, we won’t ever know until we know, but we project based on previous years and months.
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~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 2, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I'm sure the Brewers know
If someone from outside your company and without access to your company’s financial documents told you they could project how much your company was going to spend on payroll you’d think they were crazy, right?
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 2, 2011 6:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty sure we have way more access to Brewer's financial information than someone would have with my company
Aren’t operating budgets publically available now?
Not public at all
We can figure out payroll and some stuff the Brewers do publicly release, but in terms of revenue generated? No way.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 2, 2011 8:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
People buy stock all the time
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 2, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
From public co
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 2, 2011 11:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
From public companies....
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 2, 2011 11:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And they probably would still have money leftover
to upgrade SS.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
With a rotation of Gallardo-Greinke-Oswalt-Marcum-Wolf
and Narv to the bullpen or sign Oswalt and trade Wolf or Marcum? While it’d be nice to land Oswalt, the rotation seems stable and they have a few positions unstable. I’d be surprised if they spent the energy, resources and time checking into Oswalt when they have a solid rotation and other holes that need money to fill. But it would be an unbeatable rotation, yowza.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 2, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I could see them trading Wolf if they land Oswalt.
Wolf is going to be gone after next season anyway, plus it frees up some payroll.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
The "offer"
My first thought was that since the news has been so quiet on Prince’s front, that this was “discussion” leaked by Boras to drum up additional interest. I mean, while 6 years/$120 mil is less than what anyone seems to think he’ll get, it isn’t a crazy low number. I wonder if this was thrown out there to get other teams thinking perhaps the something is happening with their discussions. While I’m being cynical, I wonder if Melvin would ever agree to casually mention such an offer to help our Boras/Prince in return for K-Rod turning down arbitration.
by Infield Fly Rule on Dec 2, 2011 7:20 AM CST reply actions
I doubt DM would agree to that
because it doesn’t really benefit the Brewers very much (if at all).
There’s little to no chance K-Rod accepts arbitration from the Brewers. He stated multiple times after coming to Milwaukee that he wanted to close games. He probably would be willing to take less annual salary than what he’d get in arbitration (on a 1 year deal) to sign a multi-year deal with a team as their closer.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I agree
that it doesn’t tangibly benefit the Brewers. But if it drives up the price the Cubs pay for him, that would have some side benefits. Doug casually mentioning it to the media doesn’t hurt the Brewers in any way.
by Infield Fly Rule on Dec 2, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think GMs care too much about what other teams are spending
nor do they try to do things to “trick” other teams into overspending.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Classic Boras
This “news” is classic Scott Boras maneuvering. The Brewers can’t afford 6/120, and the past offer of 5/100 is likely not on the table anymore. Since that offer, they’ve signed long term deals with Braun, Gallardo, Hart, and Weeks. And are on the hook for Greinke & Marcum for 2012. So the money for Fielder is long gone. Boras “leaks” this supposed 6/120 offer, and people like Buster Olney run with it because it sounds reasonable.
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It wouldn't surprise me if that were the case
but from Olney’s wording, it almost sounds as if it was a casual statement made by DM.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I may be mistaken but didn't they use the money from the first offer to extend Braun
After Prince and Boras turned them down. I thought it was one or the other no way they could afford both
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