McGehee to the Pirates for Jose Veras
Veras is a hard-throwing reliever, pretty good strikeout numbers for the Pirates last year. Tom H seems to think he's arb-eligible. I think he was on a minimum (or close) deal last year, Cots doesn't have the exact number. Good luck to McGehee, a real class act, but his raise just doesn't fit in the budget. Good gamble for the Pirates.
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Just an hour ago I want him to be traded badly.
But now that it’s actually happened I have mixed feelings. I like the guy a lot, and even though he had a terrible season I think he’ll bounce back.
Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.
by Grim Spandango on Dec 12, 2011 8:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yep definitely a good guy.
He will probably bonce back. I just doubt he bounces back to far. Judging from the Brewers moves this offseason I think they agree.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I totally love McGhee
He looks just like all my no-talent friends with half-built cars on their lawns who swill beer, grill most of their food, and dream of making it to the bigs. Good luck Casey, & hit ‘em where they ain’t!
Mark Attanasio is the best.
Veras is looking like a perfect guy to get
Some command problems but if he pitches like he did last year he’s a solid middle bullpen guy. Good guy to have available. Even if he doesn’t stick around long they probably weren’t going to pay McGehee anyways, and they probably were going to pick up another reliever.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
That's what I was thinking too.
Even if he isn’t really an upgrade on the free agents out there, he’s still someone under contract. If he turns out to be great, then they have him under team control through 2014.
I would have held out for Troy Tulowitzki, personally.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The Brewers need relievers
They managed to trade a guy who they were not going to give a contract to for a guy who fills a position of need at a level higher than several internal options.
This is a good trade.
Who do you think they would've been able to get for McGehee (who put up a .3 fWAR last season)?
It’s not like the Brewers were going to offer him a contract anyway.
As far as “how little they actually see the field”… Veras appeared in 79 games last season, which is almost half the season, and put up a 0.5 fWAR.
BTW – Who do you mean by “they”? Relievers in general or specifically middle relievers?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Dec 13, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This offseason keeps falcon punching me in the groin.
Good baseball decision here, but I really like McGila. Favourite post Durrington brewer.
My girlfriends's reaction
“Who’s going to be the Spanish translator?”
by Rabbit915 on Dec 12, 2011 8:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Awesome!
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
This is better than non-tendering him for nothing
And potentially seeing him successful elsewhere. I won’t even mind him if he does well with Pittsburgh.
by Chuckiehacks83 on Dec 12, 2011 8:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The Pirates led the division briefly.
This could be the Brewers undoing!!!
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I miss him now
I really hope he hits really well for the pirates just not against us.
(Verb) you cardinals.
that's probably what the cubs said too..
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Honestly, I bet he's friends with too many of the Brewers players and staff to hold a grudge.
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Confused about Veras
Cot’s says he was on a minor league deal last year, so if he would go to arb, I have no idea what his salary would be.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I like the trade a lot
not sure Doug could have sat with Casey for another year like last year. plus Veras seems like a solid addition to the pen
"I was so drunk I thought a tube of toothpaste was astronaut food"
My Twittah!
I don't know...
Wouldn’t it have been better to have let this one play out a bit… a bounceback in the first half by McGehee and we’d have gotten more than a 30 year old middle reliever.
If it was to save money, that would be one thing, but we’ve only come away saving $600K.
by BrAUer on Dec 12, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where is he going to get enough reps to have a bounceback?
They damn sure can’t start him at 3B/2B, and Gamel is more likely to hit well.
I would have thought he would have gotten a few starts a week
between Gamel not being trusted to start every game at 1st and the need to occasionally spell Ramirez.
Eh
there’s no way this would have ever happened.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not sold yet on Gamel...
Hope I’m wrong and he just needs major league reps to work through it, but a backup plan would have been nice.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
Backup plan is replacement player
Be happy this team has Alex Gonzalez and Aramis Ramirez, along with the same superb starting 5.
What is it with people?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ishikawa is a pretty solid plan B if Gamel can't hit
We know Ishikawa at least has a solid-to-good glove, so if you’re not getting offense out of 1B, you might as well get defense
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
I don't know.
I guess I feel like there’s a low ceiling on how much defense can matter at first base.
Agreed, especially with the upgrade at SS, but like I said, it's only if Gamel can't hit at all
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
Why wouldn't defense matter at the positions that fields the most plays?
You’re at a huge disadvantage when you can’t hit, but he’s still been worth 1.7 fWAR over his career (roughly a full season of playing time), so average-to-just-below-average
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
Most people can catch a baseball.
It’s not like you can be much better at that like you can with range (which isn’t as important at first base. The other major thing is making picks, but even Prince Fielder was competent enough at that. I know how much fWAR he’s been at, but this is a case where I think it’s overvaluing a player based on good defense at a position where (I believe) it has a capped effect.
I think fWAR/UZR actually way undervalue 1B defense
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
Who?
Travis Ishikawa? You mean the guy that couldn’t play on the uber-light hitting Giants?
Huh.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
I guess you missed where I said "if you're not going to get offense out of 1B, you might as well get defense"
But go ahead and continue to pick a fight with everyone
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
by stempke on Dec 12, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh sorry you thought I was picking a fight
I just don’t know why people think Ishikawa is a major league regular if the Giants couldn’t even find a place for him to start.
I also missed the part where the Brewers signed him to a minor league deal.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Also hurtybutt
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
you need to see your primary physician, dude.
hurtybutt can become a serious condition!
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on Dec 12, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
It can result in cryface
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
I was agreeing with you that 1B plan B is a replacement player and pointing out that we have one (maybe even slightly above replacement) already in house
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
Is there a link to the news about him signing?
I completely missed it
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
THanks
I did indeed miss that.
Also, they need a 1B at Nashville for when Gamel plays in Milwaukee.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
Well, that's what Erick Almonte is for
I have no idea what DM is doing, the system is full of 1B and 3B of various sorts, unless they want to do Corner Battle Royale during spring training
He played 236 games for them from '09-'10 and was the regular 1B in '09
Last year he was hurt.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
Also Brandon Belt
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, with Belt and Posey and the team's veteran fetish
There were (sometimes) better options than Ishikawa in the prospects, not so much in the streaky vets, but with both he wasn’t going to get the playing time. He also was injured in 2011.
Forgot about Ishikawa.
Not starting material but might be a decent backup.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
Don't get me wrong
I’m ecstatic about a-ram and Gonzalez, I just hope that Gamel doesn’t flop at 1b.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
Pretty sure ARam is the backup plan.
With Green playing 3B if Gamel implodes.
Gamel needs to be managed. His constant questioning of his bat, his immaturity in his practice habits, his tendency to go into the tank when he hits a bad stretch; all of it cries out for a manager that can get in his head and find a way to keep him right. That’s the kind of thing a good manager can make a difference doing.
And we’ve got Roenicke. He should make Gamel his special project. Green appears to be self motivated, Gamel doesn’t. And if RR doesn’t think he can pull it off, let one of the Narrons do it. That’s why they’re here, after all.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bounceback? Where is McGehee playing now that the Brewers signed A-Ram?
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
You come away only saving some if you assume they weren't signing another reliever anyways
If there were a Veras on the free agent market for $2 mil, they could have non-tendered McGehee and signed that reliever. But it probably would cost more to get that caliber of reliever
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
How much did Saito get?
Veras is 30, walks a lot of guys and pitches middle relief..
I’d say >$2 million would have gotten this done.
This is the most minor move possible, just look on the bright side of things...
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
i've been on the bright side all off-season!
I just don’t like seeing a much liked (by me) Brewer getting tossed for $600K!
He was getting tossed either way, just be happy he got a potential starting job and the Brewers got a warm body back.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 12, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Saito is 42
and all signs point to disaster when you put money into a 42 year old.
Why is that so hard for people to understand?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Because Saito has been old his entire MLB career and one of the best relievers in baseball.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hello, straw man.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
You're countering my
“bad idea to sign a 42 year old reliever”
with a sarcastic “yeah he’s been old his whole career, and he’s the best.”
Forget that 42 year old relievers have a high attrition rate.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Right but you're countering the fact that its a huge gamble to sign a reliever that old
particularly one that has had significant health problems, with his career numbers. I just don’t buy that argument, personally.
Middle relievers are a dime a dozen, I don’t see a reason to spend millions on one who is 42. The last time that decision was made by this team, it blew up in their face.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
Middle relievers are a dime a dozen, but Saito has been much better than most middle relievers.
I think an argument could be made effectively for both sides. Yes, it is a risk to sign a player as old as Saito to a contract. On the other hand, it is true that he has shown no signs of slowing down as far as end statistics are concerned. The fact that he can only pitch around 30 innings leads me to agree with Charlie that the Brewers are better off without him, but he’s inexpensive enough and has been good enough that it wouldn’t be a huge risk to take.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 12, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget the fact that he didn't have TJ surgery when he was told he needed it
and instead went for a platelet-rich injection treatment.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Did it?
I’m guessing he’ll have arm problems at some point related to his UCL and have to retire.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Why do you insist on comparing the 8.5 mil for Hoffman to the 2-2.5 Saito costs?
That’s a huge difference. I’m not saying I think he’s as good as his ERA was this year, but this would have been a very very different type of signing if they had done it.
It’s a lot easier to part ways with 2.5 million tied into an aging reliever than it is to part ways with 8.5 million. There is upside in Saito, just like there was upside in Hoffman. Except this time, it would have been 1/3-1/4 the cost.
by cwolf20 on Dec 13, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because its the same thinking
I’m not comparing the dollar value, I’m comparing signing a 42 year old reliever. And Melvin showed us all again that he learned from his mistake.
So why are you arguing for signing Saito?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
So, I'm going to summarize as best I can:
One 42 year old reliever tanked after having a great season ==> All 42 year old relievers will tank
You act like it’s a foregone conclusion that he’s going to fail. Is the risk high? Sure. Is the upside there? Yes. Was it worth 2 million to sign him? Probably not if they’re keeping KRod.
But Saito != Hoffman.
Hoffman is the example freshest in people's minds
of why you should not sign a 42 year old reliever. Particularly an injury prone reliever.
Me personally? I’d never sign a reliever over 40. Ever.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
A straw man is using an intentionally, borderline irrationally extreme example as a counter argument in an attempt to misrepresent the original argument
He’s countering your argument with the very player you’re discussing, it’s not a Strawman
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
Well
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Good site
Maybe its a stretch, but its usually what I go off of.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
And he did neither of that
You said that paying old relievers was a bad idea after someone mentioned Saito, and he said Saito has been very good.
You can argue the merits of the position all you want (personally I’m glad they didn’t sign Saito) but it wasn’t a Strawman
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
He hasn't been old his entire career, though
or has he?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
maybe he's Benjamin Button?
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
He has not publicly denied it.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
His MLB career he absolutely has
He broke into the league with the Dodgers when he was 36
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
Ah ok
so he hasn’t been young. My fault.
I wonder if the D’Backs will trade him to us?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
Saito
would have much rather resigned saito and just non tendered McGehee than trade him for this guy who sounds a lot like Guillermo Mota. I dont get the age argument with Saito when its just a one year deal for a couple million.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 13, 2011 7:26 AM CST up reply actions
Saito will be 42 by Opening Day
At some point he’d going to start losing it. It may be gradual or it may be very sudden (ala Hoffman), but one thing is for sure… he’s not capable of pitching very often and for very long.
Last season, Saito had a 3.74 xFIP… Veras had a 3.87 xFIP and pitched in over twice as many innings.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Its a lost cause
apparently a lot of folks don’t think age is a factor on baseball players’ production?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
as much as I love Saito
Have to agree with you there. Thankfully my first favorite superstar player was Carlton Fisk, so I learnt about age-related decline and subsequent midseason release fairly quickly.
How cute, the Priates blog thinks he can play 2B
in addition to third base, he can fake it at second and first as well.
by aka Mich on Dec 12, 2011 8:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It is a shame to see a true class act go
However, I’m glad he went to an organization I feel is worthy of his character. I wish him the best of luck and hope he bounces back this year. I think the city of Pittsburgh will take a liking to the guy and his family.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 12, 2011 8:29 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Nice! Very happy that McGehee will probably get a chance to start.
Pretty happy about the return too.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
I'm more happy that the Brewers will get to pitch to McGehee
I got goons.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Dec 12, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha same here
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
(secret rec)
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on Dec 12, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
I hope he knows that we still appreciate him
When he comes back to miller I expect a roar of approval from the fans.
(Verb) you cardinals.
by Taterwithbacon on Dec 12, 2011 8:36 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, it should be nice to see that and I look forward to it.
Best of luck to him. Truly a great guy. Hope he finds some great success with the Pirates.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 12, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
I find that fans tend to boo regardless of circumstances
I remember being at a game where Geoff Jenkins was playing after he left the brewers and got booed during his first at bat.
by Rabbit915 on Dec 12, 2011 8:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I still cheer for El Caballo whenever he is announced
just to offset the boos…
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
I've seen Coffey get cheers in opposing parks before
Well, in Detroit at least, and he never played for Detroit.
You guys, I'm really, really excited about this team next year.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 12, 2011 8:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
lol
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
I have tempered excitement, all depending on how the Braun thing plays out
if it’s 50 games, I think the team is good enough to tread water till he comes back. If it’s 25 games or less, then I’ll be really excited. I think this team is better (on paper) than last year’s team.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Last piece: backup SS. And there's only one man for the job...
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 12, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
ZEALOTS FOR ZELOUS!
Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.
by Grim Spandango on Dec 12, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And he also plays 1B!*
*in the AFL. Because Peoria’s first baseman was injured and it was the end of the season.
from THwitter
Melvin, on where #Brewers already are with 2012 payroll: “We’ve stretched it well beyond where we wanted to go.”
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions
one more
With money tight, #Brewers plan is to go with Mat Gamel at 1B but also give 3B Taylo Green a chance to play that position.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
haha exactly
just sounds like they are pretty down on Gamel
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
It would make a lot more sense to send Ramirez over to first if Green's in the game.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I'm all for telling Green and Gamel in spring training that it's up to them which one plays.
No matter how it’s accomplished (though I agree putting ARam at 1st makes more sense than putting Green there). You want to play? Produce and you’ll get to.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, that's not a bad way to look at it
I’ve always seen Green as a guy who could have value by putting up, say, a .290/.340/.400 and be an average to above average defender at third. That’s not going to cut it at first unless he’s the best defensive 1B in the league. I’ve always liked Gamel’s upside as a hitter more, but I’m not sure that’s rational at this point.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
The other possibility (besides Gindl or Schafer I mean)...
… if they both play well in spring training, is that Green opens at 3b, ARam at 1B, and Gamel opens in LF during any suspension for Braun.
None of these scenarios is perfect by any stretch, but they’ve got some choices to play with, even with McGehee gone.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
That's interesting.
I didn’t know Green could play first base. This along with the McGehee trade basically confirms he’ll be on the 25-man roster even though it was basically a given anyways.
Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.
by Grim Spandango on Dec 12, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Unless they go Ishikawa + backup SS for the bench infield spots. Maybe Ishikawa will be on as 1B/OF? (or he could just be depth at AAA)
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
Gotta figure Gamel got a lot of time at 1B in Nashville last year
If they weren’t comfortable with any of the other guys being that high high AAA/MLB injury replacement type Ishikawa had just enough upside to fill that role. So to me signing Ishikawa tells me Gamel is gonna be on the MLB roster all year and get his chance unless he really screws it up.
Gamel played in 102 games at first base last year, and had just under 917 chances.
He made 11 errors at first base, for whatever that’s worth. No advanced defensive stats available for the minors, and it would be too small of a sample size anyway.
That sounds terrible
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 12, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
how many errors did Prince have last year?
I mean, we just have to accept that Gamel is gonna have an up and down year at first.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
I actually kind of feel like errors matter more at 1B.
As I sort of stated elsewhere in this thread, I don’t think range matters as much at 1B, which makes UZR less important. That’s just my opinion, though.
Depends
sometimes the 1B will get a wonky throw that he can’t pick out of the dirt, and they’ll assign him the error, even though the through was shorted.
But I guess that sort of thing applies to every position.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
That's not true, if the throw is in the dirt it's a throwing error every time.
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
Are you being sarcastic?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
Not at all, official scorers are told that if the throw is in the dirt, it's a throwing error
The same way if a pitch is in the dirt, it’s a Wild Pitch regardless of whether it should have been stopped or not
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
Oh
well I’ve seen throws in the dirt scored as an error to 1B because they thought he should have been able to pick it.
So I guess we’ll agree to disagree?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
I guess it's possible that it's different in the MLB, but I kept score for Notre Dame while I was in college (though not the official scorer, just kept stats for the team)
and was told that throws in the dirt were the definitely on the thrower
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
Right.
But as an indicator I don’t think it’s bad at first. A handful of errors is good, 20 errors is bad. 10-15 sounds like he should be passable/acceptable.
I think you're right
and probably errors are at least a really rough gauge at any position.
Also, I don’t know how useful UZR is at 1B, so I agree with you there.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
I mean, you have to really eff up to get an error at 1B
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Errors and range are the two components of UZR, though
Both will be accounted for in terms of their run value
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I was kind of hoping you would come in and drop some knowledge on us.
I guess, then, with 1B at least, I would way errors much heavier than range.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
So maybe we'll see Ishikawa sooner than expected?
I was just thinking he was a warm body with upside to play 1B in Nashville since Gamel would either be in Milwaukee or finally cut loose.
I would wager the team offered him a minor league deal with a spring training invite
and told him he would be competing for a shot at a major league deal at 1st with Gamel.
Makes sense
I only remember him briefly in S.F. so I wasn’t sure if they saw him as viable 1B/OF/Bench option if Gamel faltered.
He got hurt playing RF last year in the minors, but other than that I have no idea how much experience he has in the OF
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
Gamel
will be a very pleasant surprise for the Brewers next season if they just let him play. This guy will be a tremendous hitter if given the chance.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 13, 2011 7:29 AM CST up reply actions
Ishikawa's first extensive OF playing time was in 2011
He played a couple of games of it in rookie ball in ‘02. So, no, probably not, but he’s the sort of player who’d give it a try.
Yes but he was primarily an OF last season prior to getting injured (in the outfield)
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
argh, I had forgotten they were trying to convert him
too many teams to follow, the Giants’ AAA squad got lost in the shuffle
I'm happy about this.
I think what will end up happening is Gamel will play first and Green will be a super sub, playing a handful of games a week at 3B, 2B and 1B. That sounds pretty ideal.
The hell do I do with my McGehee jersey shirt now?!?
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Die Pirates Die
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by cwolf20 on Dec 12, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I like that better than my original plan of finding a way to make the 14 into a 16 and then Sharpie-ing RAMIREZ onto it.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
If you did this and I saw you at miller park
I’d buy you a beer
by Rabbit915 on Dec 12, 2011 8:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I may just attempt it, then.
Now, to figure out how to make a 14 into a 16…..
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
Just poorly put duct tape over it
And color it with sharpies so it’s the appropriate color
by Rabbit915 on Dec 12, 2011 9:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know where you can get colored gaffer tape in West Allis
gaff tape is used in theatre, film + TV production, and is available in a wide range of colors. It’s $22 per roll, but way cheaper than a new jersey
It wasn't the best of times, it wasn't the worst of times, but all in all 2011 season was a pretty damn good time
by PlusorMinusThree on Dec 12, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
New jersey...yuck
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Kottaras is gonna have to give up his number first
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Could be worse dude.
You could have gotten a little over-excited a couple of years ago and bought a Gamel shirsey like I did.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
You can say you supported him before it was fashionable when he hits .285 with 30 homers this year.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
I'm glad Fielder's gone.
He went too mainstream after hitting 27 home runs for Beloit.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 13, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
If Gamel struggles at 1B they're just going to call up Brock Kjeldgaard and he's going to hit 50 HR, so it's win-win.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
I think he was asking whether he would hit his 50th HR by 8:15pm on Opening Day
If it’s a day game, then most likely, yes.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
It's his name, for me
I just imagine Thor hitting home runs. Epic
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 12, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Kjelgaard
hit a HR out of MP during the TRats game at MP in 2010. It was great and made me excited for the future
by Nicole Haase on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
From the Helena Independent Record
“He’s freakishly strong. He can mis-hit balls and still drive them,” (manager Rene) Gonzales said.
I like the freakish part.
It wasn't the best of times, it wasn't the worst of times, but all in all 2011 season was a pretty damn good time
by PlusorMinusThree on Dec 12, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Sad. But I kind of figured that when we signed Ramirez.
Miss you, big guy.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
by The Dayman on Dec 12, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
So long big guy. Good luck.
And don’t sign with the freaking Cubs.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I love Prince, but dammit I think I'd have to boo him if he goes to either of those two teams.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
I hope he doesn't go to either of those teams, I really don't want to have to actively root against Prince
just go to Seattle or Texas, big guy!
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Seattle would be perfect. (far away on a team that won't contend)
Although it would be pretty awesome to have Prince in blue, Albert in red, in the same division, and still able to beat up on HOU 20 times a year.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
by Kuhl on Dec 12, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha poor Astros
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
And he said it out loud so every one who's in on Fielder knows it too.
Really no other way to read Melvin’s comments on Fielder but that he’s sick of being used by Boras.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Now watch, Greinke will sign with Boras
And we’ll have to deal with that d-bag again
by Chuckiehacks83 on Dec 12, 2011 9:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He will now be collecting his contract in the form of WoW gold.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
Greinke
I would be very shocked if he signed on with Boras. He does seem like the kind of guy who would handle his own negaotiations instead of dealing with another agent. I think we really have to get a long term deal with Greinke done this offseason or he is as good as gone.
If we can lock up Greinke and have him as a 1/2 with Gallardo our rotation should have a chance of being good for years to come. We cant afford to lose Greinke after next season for draft picks so either lock him up or deal him now.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 13, 2011 7:33 AM CST up reply actions
That would make a ton of sense if it were anyone but Greinke.
I’m not sure he wants a guy who’ll push him to sign for the most money.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know, Greinke seems like a hyper-competitive fellow
I could potentially see him looking at contract size as some kind of victory over others.
That being said, I could just as well see Greinke demand to be paid in fig newtons
by Chuckiehacks83 on Dec 12, 2011 9:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
*guacamole
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe....
… but he’s also pretty intelligent, and I don’t think he’ll jump at the biggest dollars if they’re associated with a city he doesn’t want to live in. That’s about the opposite of what Boras generally gets his clients to do.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, good point
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 12, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good yeah, point
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Good point? Yeah.
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good, your point is
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, good point
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
How long until the Pirates start milking the story about his son?
At least he can be a mini racing Pierogi!
by Chuckiehacks83 on Dec 12, 2011 9:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hell, he can still be a mini sausage when they're in town.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't really need another reason to love Mark A....
… but his “Well shit. Here’s another $10 million. Fix it.” reaction to KRod accepting arbitration gives me one anyway.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:08 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Shit, he accepted and we're over budget? Screw it we're all in... sign Ramirez.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I wonder how much of it is PR spending
“look guys, we’re gonna have this stupid Braun PED thing, and Prince is leaving, what should we do?”
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm inclined to wonder about this
I wonder how much Mark sees his return on this franchise tied up in it’s value rather than it’s yearly net profit (which being an investment banker, would make a lot of sense).
I bet he sees a PR move here for a few million dollars saving him a lot in perceived franchise value long term (by reducing the damage done to Braun by changing what the media is saying about the Brewers).
by Fiesta on Dec 12, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I mean I'm just speculating
but I feel like its possible
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Meh...
… it’s not like they weren’t working on ARam before the story broke, and are we sure the club actually knew before it broke?
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 12, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Well, Braun's known since October.
Hard to think the team didn’t as well.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Hong-Chih Kuo non-tendered
Brewers should sign him to a minor league deal
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Someone needs to get on Kuo NOW
if the Twins weren’t so walk-averse…well, their last LOOGY standing is Phil Dumatrait and all he does is walk guys so who knows.
Kuo
like the thought about this guy. He has a real good arm and is a lefty. Lets sign him up quickly.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 13, 2011 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
I am absolutely ecstatic about this
Not only did we get rid of ~$3M in salary, we got a position of need for it, too. Here I thought no one would take that guy off the team’s hands.
Really well done, Melvin.
I Bart Scott for 2012.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
Probably $2.5mm in salary coming back tho...
I am happy to pick up Hawkins’ replacement though.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
Cheaper and younger.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Than Hawkins?
Definitely. and it looks like he’s under club control for a couple years too.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
yep 2 years of club control left on Veras I believe
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Also Saito
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still holding out hope on Saito...
I know they can’t afford him and he’s old, but I still want him.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
Oh really?
must have missed that one.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
No, he already signed with the D'Backs
and we should all send them a Christmas Card.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Did Saito cut you off in traffic or something?
Mostly joking, but the Saito dislike seems to go beyond the fact that he’s 42.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 12, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
mistakenly thinks it was saito
that slept with his wife
Every man must believe in something, I believe I'll have another drink.
by pjpaulus on Dec 12, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Flagged this
because the shit I was going to say to you for it would get me banned.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
If/when the braun thing gets overturned
The team had better have extra people on hand to handle calls for season ticket packages.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Dec 12, 2011 9:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I bet a lot of the people who would buy season tickets in the offseason
already bought them last year to get playoff seats.
I'm going to miss McGehee
(On a side note, if we ever have a slow news week, tell Kyle to take a day off. All the recent news has been hitting when he is taking a day off.)
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Does this mean no sick kids will be allowed in miler park when the pirates are in town?
Can’t have casey hitting 3 hrs against the brewers.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Dec 12, 2011 9:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
So, honestly
There’s no way this team is a true talent 84 win team. I don’t give a shit what model you use.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
like I said earlier, I think this team on paper is better than last year's team
major upgrades at 3B and SS, hopefully enough to offset the downgrade at 1B and a full year of K-Rod. Really liking how the team is shaping up.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
I think I feel the same way
Prince who?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Prince secretly wishes he could re-sign with the Brewers
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll bet he does at this point
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
Or had accepted arbitration.
What are the odds we could get him for a 1-year contract?
Mark Attanasio is the best.
I'm a little concerned that if Gamel can't get it done, we'll have no left handed bats that scare anyone
But that’s a lot less worrisome than having a left side of the infield that doesn’t scare anyone.
"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"
Eh yeah
I can see that.
They can always just bat Randy Wolf.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 12, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Double time!
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 12, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
and the Narv-Dawg!
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 12, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Okay Non-Tenders
Let me see some Luke Scott action Doug.
"We’re gonna gather our nuts, and find out what the squirrels… we’ll be right back." - Brian Anderson
by Rendezvous on Dec 12, 2011 10:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
What an outstanding backup outfielder/potential Braun replacement he would be.
I have a feeling teams will offer him more as a starter, though. Dude had an injury last year, but over a .900 OPS in 2010.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 12, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
My line of thinking exactly.
Not to mention he has played some first base in his time. He’d be like everything Kotsay was supposed to be, without the temptation to throw him in center field.
"We’re gonna gather our nuts, and find out what the squirrels… we’ll be right back." - Brian Anderson
I wonder...
How many players have at one point played in the same position in the same organization, and also ended up playing for the exact same teams in their careers? I can think of two such players…
You gotta eat lightning and crap thunder, Plush!
by brewersfanatic on Dec 12, 2011 11:03 PM CST reply actions
I can't
Particularly since Ramirez hasn’t played for the Pirates.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Aramis Ramirez started his career in Pittsburgh.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 13, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
That's right
For some reason, I read his post as “playing for the exact same teams in the same order”.
I need to wake up more.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Of all Casey McGehee's accomplishments with the Brewers
I think that being a good enough human being to hit .223/.280/.346 and have most of us still liking him is his most impressive.
Thanks, Casey. We’ll miss you, and I hope you bounce back with the Pirates and get a long, loud standing ovation when you come back to Miller Park.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 12, 2011 11:15 PM CST reply actions 13 recs
You guys will like Veras
He had his bad moments but overall was very reliable, hopefully works out for both sides
As a person, I agree
But if he puts up a stats line like he did last season, I don’t think they’ll like him much as a player.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
McGehee is one of the classiest players you'll ever see, I've got nothing but respect for him.
I truly hope he has a monster year for you guys.
I have no concept.
I have no idea if the account is verified or anything, by the way.
Here’s the link. Not following anyone.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Fake
@pirateprospects Tim Williams
For those asking, Gerrit Cole does NOT have a Twitter account. He’s not @gerritcole or @gerrit_cole. Source: the real Gerrit Cole.
For anyone curious, Brewers didn't non-tender anyone
Loe, Parra, Morgan, Gomez, Marcum and the new guy all got tendered contracts. Kottaras, as was reported, signed earlier.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 13, 2011 12:52 AM CST reply actions
Cool, thought they might non-tender Loe but nice to still have him in the bullpen if they're willing to pony up.
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Kevin Goldstein is flooding my twitter wall talking about how Babe Ruth would get cut from a modern team...
How do these people do this for a living?
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Everything he says is needlessly contrarian
I don’t know how anyone could honestly say they don’t think Babe Ruth would make a major league team. That’s just absurd.
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If Babe Ruth tried to make a team right now?
Ruth played nearly 100 years ago. The pitchers were nowhere near as talented as they are now. That’s why, to compare players across eras, we need to look at stats that factor in the era they played in. Do you think Babe Ruth would have been able to hit against Yovani Gallardo? Or even Frankie De la Cruz?
Of course. I can't comprehend how anyone would honestly believe otherwise.
He wouldn’t dominate, but he was still an incredible talent. Let’s say pitchers in the 1920s only maxed out in the high-80s. If you are OPS-ing 1.350+ off of pitchers throwing in the high-80s, you are a great player. Probably the vast majority of players in the modern MLB could not do that.
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I disagree with you
Babe Ruth would be mediocre at best right now.
He’s still the greatest player of all time, it’s just that the game changes too much over time.
I think this is an argument like in the early 2000’s, when the Bengals were really really bad, and the University of Miami was really good. For some reason, people honestly thought that Miami would have been able to compete with the Bengals. It would have been a slaughter. This is the same principle. They’re playing two entirely different games.
I have two things to say about this, concerning the practical competitiveness of physical specimens over time
#1: Babe Ruth was a dominant player vs. other players of his era in part because of his size. He had the swing, the skill to hit a baseball, but he also had the size to create a large arc (gorilla arms) in which he would hit the ball, creating a greater velocity. Back in his day, being a 6’2" 220 lb. baseball player meant he was a huge man. In spite of the fierce competitive nature of the game, there aren’t any stories lingering out there of people trying to brawl with the Babe – he was frickin scary huge. These days, guys like Randy Johnson and Adam Dunn make Ruth look like a peanut vendor.
#2: Your modern techniques and tools of the 21st century mean absolute crap compared to a person with natural talent who grows up impoverished and exercises out of regular habit every day of their lives. Have we not heard the stories of Jose Reyes playing street baseball in the Dominican Republic using a milk carton for a glove? Consider Ruth. Babe Ruth was one of seven children, all of which died as infants except he and his sister Mamie. His mother died of TB when he was young, and his dad managed saloons. He was thrown into a boys school at age 7, where the missionaries taught him baseball. The kid did nothing but sew shirts and play baseball for ten years. There isn’t a training program on Earth that compares to that. Without a doubt in my mind, Ruth would be an outstanding ballplayer.
Mark Attanasio is the best.
by nullacct on Dec 13, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
For every Jose Reyes, there are several thousand who share a similar story
And just weren’t as good as him. You can’t ignore them.
Football, basketball, etc. the game is hugely dependant on physical conditioning though
You can be fat and out of shape and still hit baseballs in the MLB.
Babe Ruth would struggle against modern pitching, but to suggest that he would not even make a team is laughably unrealistic.
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I'd disagree
I mean if you teleported Babe Ruth from 1927 to today, there would be things he hadn’t seen (split-finger) which would be a disadvantage. But if Ruth were alive today because he was born in 1986, and had been subjected to the same difficult and motivated upbringing, he would be familiar with today’s pitching and do very well. He also probably wouldn’t have been allowed to move to the field, because he was too valuable as a pitcher.
Imagine how much Today’s Yankees would have to pay the Red Sox to buy a Babe Ruth that went 23-12, 1.75 ERA as a 21-year old, and a 1.114 OPS with a league-record HRs at age 24?
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He wouldn't struggle against modern pitching if he were born 25 years ago.
If you teleported him from 1925 to 2011 he would be baffled by the split-finger for a while, but if we were saying what if these players were born in this era how would they do, I think as long as their upbringing was the same they’d be fine. I’m a big believer that genetics plays only a partial role in how a person turns out, environment has at least as much to do with it.
And while we’re thinking about it, just imagine for a second hearing that the Brewers had traded away Corey Hart or Randy Wolf to a team for one of these ugly mugs:
Look at those faces. Those are young men. These guys were warriors and would endure in any era. You can tell just by looking.
Mark Attanasio is the best.
Zombie Babe Ruth or Time Machine Babe Ruth?
Zombie Babe Ruth would freak out everyone… fans wouldn’t like his fashion sense and teammates would hate the smell. Plus, there’s always the risk that if anyone is not paying attention, he’ll try eating their brain.
Time Machine Babe Ruth would have a hard time adjusting to the current time which would probably end up affecting his play on the field. In addition, he’d probably lose himself as soon as someone showed him cable or satellite TV. Assuming he would become adjusted to society, I would think he’d still be a pretty good MLB player. He swung a really heavy bat (40-54 oz in his career), so he could start using a lighter bat to speed up his swing to adjust for the faster pitching. If nothing else, the guy could just pitch.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Dec 13, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I expected that to be a MrLeam post.
Well done.
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You may want to revisit Ruth's statistics.
And while you’re there, take a look at his pitching stats while in Boston. The man may have actually been the best all-around baseball player ever.
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