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Some things to read while getting trolled.

The news just keeps coming this week, and yesterday's top story came as a bit of a surprise to me: The Brewers have signed former Cub third baseman Aramis Ramirez to a three year deal believed to be worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $34-37 million (FanShot). Ramirez is 33 years old and is coming off a season where he hit .306/.361/.510 in Chicago, winning his first Silver Slugger award. He had an awful year in 2010 but has been very good to great in four of the last five seasons. Here's some reaction from around the web:

Having Ramirez in the fold made Casey McGehee expendable, and the Brewers wasted no time finding him a new home. They traded him to the Pirates yesterday for reliever Jose Veras, who was second in the National League with 79 appearances last season and struck out ten batters per nine innings while posting a 3.80 ERA (FanShot). Veras is arbitration eligible for the first time this season and MLB Trade Rumors predicts he'll earn about $2.5 million. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar called Veras "surprisingly useful." Tyler Maas of Miller Park Drunk penned a farewell to Casey McGehee, who Doug Melvin said it was hard to let go. Bob Nightengale of USA Today says the Brewers didn't think McGehee was going to win the job at first base.

Meanwhile, the Ramirez signing means Taylor Green will likely compete for playing time at first base with Mat Gamel. The Brewers added another candidate to that race yesterday by signing free agent first baseman Travis Ishikawa to a minor league deal (FanShot). Ishikawa missed most of last season due to injury but is a career .265/.327/.400 hitter in 281 major league games and has a reputation as a very good defender.

Yesterday was also the deadline for the Brewers to tender contracts to their arbitration-eligible players for the 2012 season. I had suspected the team might take this opportunity to shed some payroll but they opted to keep all eight players, and signed George Kottaras to a one year deal. Manny Parra is already looking into investment opportunities.

Parra and (and fellow arb-eligible reliever Kameron Loe) probably project to be part of a 2012 bullpen that just might include baseball's best closer. Lee Panas of Tiger Tales notes that John Axford was the second best reliever in all of baseball in 2011 in what he calls "shutdown percentage," and the best in terms of "meltdown percentage." Marco Estrada, meanwhile, melted down in nine of his 36 relief appearances. His 25% meltdown percentage led the team and was the eighth highest in all of baseball.

Meanwhile, another 2011 Brewer will not be back: Takashi Saito signed a one year deal with the Diamondbacks.

While yesterday provided lots of other news, Ryan Braun remains the Brewers' top story. Here's what people are saying today:

Yesterday Zack Greinke was in the headlines as news broke that he's switching agents and some speculated that he might be considering requesting a trade. As it turns out, Greinke left CAA (his previous agency) last spring and has been without an agent ever since. That might make it difficult to attempt to negotiate an extension with him.

The Brewers have already spent more this winter than any of us expected them to, so as you might expect they're now saying they're out on Prince Fielder. Here are the rest of today's Fielder notes:

If the Brewers do decide to keep spending, Carlos Pena could be their next move. Jon Heyman says he could see either the Cardinals or Brewers pursuing the former Cub first baseman.

Elsewhere in transactions: The Brewers officially announced Alex Gonzalez's signing yesterday. I still haven't seen the terms of his new contract.

With everything going on this weekend, it's been a few days since we've had an opportunity to discuss Ron Roenicke. Beyond the Box Score notes that Roenicke was third among all NL managers in sac bunts but last in intentional walks in 2011, leading him to rank 17th in their Traditional Manager Index.

Bob Uecker is about to pick up another award for his mantle: On April 17 he'll be enshrined into the National Association of Broadcasters' Hall of Fame at an event in Las Vegas. The Brewers open a series against the Dodgers that night.

In the minors:

If you haven't yet, please take a moment today to vote in this week's BCB Tracking Poll. It will remain open through the day today and results will be posted tomorrow.

Thanks to Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar for filling in yesterday while @MrsBrewCrewBall and I spent a day in the Dells. He did a great job covering the latest developments on several fronts, so go back and read it if you haven't yet. I stopped by his site to thank him this morning, and I'd encourage you to do the same.

Elsewhere in self promotion: Here's a reminder that the BCB Book Club is meeting tonight. Nicole and/or I might be a little late, but we'll be meeting around 7 to discuss chapters 7-9 of The Extra 2%.

Counting Sunday's special edition and yesterday's guest appearance, this morning's Mug is the 986th in BCB history. Writing on Sunday threw off the math a little, so I guess now we'll have to call our January 3 event The Night of (Approximately) 1000 Mugs. We've also confirmed Rounding Third as the venue.

Around baseball:

Angels: Avoided arbitration with first baseman Kendrys Morales (1 year/$3 million) and pitcher Jerome Williams (1 year, $820,000).
Astros: Avoided arbitration with catcher Humberto Quintero (1 year/$1 million) and announced that catcher Jason Castro had surgery to remove a bone in his foot and may not be ready for spring training.
Blue Jays: Avoided arbitration with pitchers Jesse Litsch (1 year, $975,000) and Dustin McGowan (1 year, $600,000), claimed reliever Jim Hoey off waivers from the Twins and acquired outfielder Ben Francisco from the Phillies for a minor league pitcher.
Cardinals: Non-tendered infielder Ryan Theriot and received cash from the Blue Jays to complete the Colby Rasmus trade.
Cubs: Non-tendered catcher Koyie Hill.
Diamondbacks: Non-tendered pitchers Joe Saunders and Micah Owings.
Dodgers: Non-tendered reliever Hong-Chih Kuo and avoided arbitration with outfielder Tony Gwynn Jr. (2 years, $2 million)
Giants: Avoided arbitration with infielder Mike Fontenot (terms undisclosed) and non-tendered infielder Jeff Keppinger and catcher Eli Whiteside.
Indians: Signed outfielder Felix Pie to a minor league deal.
Mariners: Non-tendered pitcher Dan Cortes and catcher Chris Gimenez.
Marlins: Signed outfielder Aaron Rowand to a minor league deal.
Mets: Non-tendered catcher Ronny Paulino and outfielder Mike Baxter and claimed pitcher Jeremy Hefner off waivers from the Pirates.
Nationals: Non-tendered pitcher Doug Slaten.
Orioles: Non-tendered outfielder Luke Scott and pitchers Willie Eyre and Jo-Jo Reyes.
Pirates: Avoided arbitration with pitcher Jason Grilli (1 year, $1.1 million).
Rays: Non-tendered pitcher Andy Sonnanstine and acquired pitcher Burke Badenhop from the Marlins for a minor league catcher.
Rockies: Non-tendered outfielders Ryan Spillborghs and Cole Garner.
Royals: Non-tendered pitcher Aaron Laffey.
Tigers: Non-tendered second baseman Will Rhymes.
Twins: Non-tendered pitcher Jose Mijares.

All the players non-tendered above are now free agents.

When a player changes teams I'd assume they usually hear about it from their former team, or perhaps their agent. The fact that Craig Breslow learned about his move from Oakland to Arizona via Twitter makes me wonder what happened there.

Today in baseball economics:

  • I've previously mentioned that the Marlins will owe $70 million to Jose Reyes in the final three years of his new contract. They also backloaded their deal with Mark Buehrle, who will earn just $6 million in 2012 but $37 million combined in 2014 and 2015.
  • The Mets financial woes continue: They've taken out another $40 million in loans to help them get by while they work on selling minority shares of the team.

The Marlins may be in financial trouble long term, but at least they're not lacking for heroes: catcher John Buck helped rescue two elderly women who were trapped in their car following a rollover accident this weekend.

In former Brewers:

No matter how bad your day is today, here's a reminder that it could always be worse: Rays pitcher David Price left a gig as a celebrity bartender this weekend to find a man urinating on his car, and narrowly avoided an altercation.

Now, if you'll excuse me, my ears are bleeding.

Drink up.

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Anybody of interest in the non-tenders from other teams?

It looks like we’re probably done picking folks up. Would Theriot be too expensive as a backup?

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 AM CST reply actions  

A backup what?

He’s worse than Yuni defensively.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

With that said, you're probably right.

With Ramirez, Gonzalez and Weeks in place, the Brewers probably need a defensive super-sub more than an offensive replacement.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Counsell's still available.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Pass

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Already warming up the Bill Hall cheer

Bill clap, clap Hall clap, clap

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm fine with Bill Hall as an option

He can play every position and is decent defensively.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 13, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Plus, if you need a pinch hit dinger

you just need to go dig up a pink bat.

fka "warwick5s"

by DEUCE SLUICE on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

And also:

A-Gon?

We’re not going with Sea Bass?

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Source:

In lieu of the ball and glove logo, this year’s home Sunday uniforms will feature “Wine ’em, dine ’em, sixty-nine ’em” tucker hats

by CoreySLC on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't like A-Gon

Confusing with Adrian Gonzalez.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 13, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

also, mildly related, I hate douchebag at bar who screams “YEAH A-ROD!!!!!!1” after every Aaron Rodgers touchdown.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm the douchebag at the bar that screams

YEAH RODGERS at every TD, but yeah calling him A-Rod is bad and people doing it should feel bad.

by Archibaldcrane on Dec 13, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

A-Rodge

is even worse

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Larrivee does it.

Not saying it’s good, just sayin’. And Larrivee is a Yankees fan.

"Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forfty percent of all people know that."

by hilbelink on Dec 13, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Larivee also practices his idiotic

DAGGER! call in front of a mirror. I’ll bet you.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And it still sucks.

I hate that guy.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 13, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

first place ss

just sayin

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by Jeo on Dec 13, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Well when he was playing shortstop the Cards were in first place.

I know that. It is what it is.

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It makes me so, so happy

that you and Jeo both responded with that line.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow. Who would have thought it would be possible to be worst than Yuni defensively?

I only asked about him because a utility infielder is really the only thing (along with perhaps a 5th outfielder in case Braun’s 50 games suspension is upheld, but Logan S might get his shot) the Brewers need at this point. His offensive numbers are neither great nor bad. But having never watched Cardinals games unless he’s playing the Brewers I’m not well versed in his defense.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

That.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, that's awesome

Kind of makes me want to put together a video like that for Yuni. Then I come to my senses.

by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 13, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

It'd be feature-film length.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

There'd be less action, too, I think

Fewer Yakety Sax-style errors and a lot more shots of someone standing at short, half-heartedly bending over toward a ball that’s a couple of feet away from him.

by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 13, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

That video is amazing. Well played, sir.

I only want to try to defend myself again and say I had no idea he was that bad defensively. Holy crap that video is amazing.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 13, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

What I'll say for him is that he at least tries to stop the balls

He may fail at an alarmingly high rate, but I like to see his uniform dirty. Yuni probably allowed a few extra bases by not knocking down a ball, even if he wouldn’t have gotten an out somewhere.

by ecocd on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

He's much, much better than Yuni defensively.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but how does he compare to the pan of lasagna?

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 13, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

the pan of lasagna has better baserunning skills than Theriot

There’s a reason someone coined “TOOTBLAN”…and it’s him.

by morineko on Dec 13, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh?

Career: +2 TZ at SS, -1.7 UZR/150 at SS

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Small sample size, of course:

but he was (-14.8) UZR/150 in 755 innings at short this year.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I need a bigger sample than that to declare someone Worse-Than-Yuni

That’s like the ultimate insult.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

How about the video?

Did that do anything for you?

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Guessing it may be a little unfair to judge someone’s defense by a clip-reel of all their defensive mistakes.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfair?

Sure.

Fun?

Oh yes.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Luke Scott

is the only name that jumped out at me. If nothing else, to throw another contender in the 1B race.

"I haven't been out carousing." -Aaron Rodgers

by gavitron9 on Dec 13, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate Luke Scott

have you ever read about him?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Luke Scott is a massive POS

We’re already dealing with one ethical dilemma w/ Braun … I don’t want to have to try to tolerate some horrible, racist dipshit just because I want my team to win.

by MooseHaas on Dec 13, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah he's a piece of work for sure

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I haven't read about him.

"I haven't been out carousing." -Aaron Rodgers

by gavitron9 on Dec 13, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Luke Scott can be a really good player.

Probably not a fit on the Brewers, though. Some team will likely pay him to start.

by Noah Jarosh on Dec 13, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

His numbers aren't that impressive for a platoon DH.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Keppinger would be an interesting pick for super-sub.

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 13, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

PUNTO

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Instead of posting "Agree" or "This" everytime you post it

I’m simply going to rec you.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 13, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Hong-Chih Kuo

1.20 ERA/1.81 FIP in 2010 before his 2011 season was dismantled by anxiety issues and injury.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Between Jose Veras and Kameron Loe

We can pull Narv-Dog and Marcum out at the end of the 5th inning every start and they’ll be fresh the whole season.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Dec 13, 2011 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

Marcum

I wonder if the yankees would give us Banuelos or Montero for him. Marcum has shown he can pitch in the AL East and they need pitching.

by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 13, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

They wouldn't, so it's kind of a moot point

I just don’t think the Brewers should be eager to trade Marcum – his value is probably relatively low right now, with only one year left on his contract and especially with the way he finished the season.

by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Banuelos maybe, but not Montero

It would have to be Greinke if you wanted Montero back.

Banuelos might even be a stretch for Marcum straight up.

by backtocali on Dec 13, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

There is no DH spot in Milwaukee.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You can say that again...
a farewell to Casey McGehee, who Doug Melvin said it was hard to let go

As in, it was literally hard to get anyone with eyes and an internet connection (for all those non-stats) to take McGehee after the flaming bag of dog poo he called a season this year.

by leftisbetter on Dec 13, 2011 10:45 AM CST reply actions  

You don't have to hate him anymore, he's gone.

He’s also a nice guy which is what Melvin and everyone will miss about him

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I'm going to miss him a lot

He was a blue-collar player, and you could tell his non-production bothered him a whole lot more than it did us.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Dec 13, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's Not Hating If It's True

Who fills out a roster with “nice guys”? I’d rather have a bunch of a-holes and a title. Judging by the money thrown out there for Pujols, others must agree.

by leftisbetter on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for Futurama.

Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".

by Yar Nivek on Dec 13, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Character matters

I’d much rather follow a bad team with great people than the inverse.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Dec 13, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

but if this team loses 90 games with nice guys,

there won’t be many people following them. character is important, but be realistic too. it’s a business, and sometimes not nice people are good and effective at their job.

by maxximus02 on Dec 13, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Prince

Anyone starting to think that his contract won’t be that much higher than what the Brewers offered?

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Dec 13, 2011 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah.

And I’ll bet he wishes he could be on this team next year.

Sorry pal! Blame your assclown agent!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Whats the projected payroll at right now?

Do you think they still would have gone and gotten Ramirez if they still had Fielder? If not that makes him coming back a bit easier, but isnt the payroll over $90 million right now? Re-signing Fielder was probably never an option given what the team can handle for a payroll and what he is due.

I’m willing to bet someone is going to pay in the $140 million range for him. He could easily hit 50 HR in Arlington, and the Cubs even though they wont contend for a couple of years probably would get a ton of production from him in Wrigley too. Someone will meet his asking price.

by backtocali on Dec 13, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

See below

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

By the way

I never said or thought that FIelder would fit into payroll. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t wish he could play here. He could have decided that he didn’t need $20M a year for 8 years. And then the team wouldn’t have signed Ramirez.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Has Boras ever failed?

He’s going to get prince a shit ton of money.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I seem to recall him failing with Alex Rodriguez.

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, wut?

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't A-Rod fire Boras and negotiate with the Yankees on his own?

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I guess you're right

That was after he negotiated the biggest contract in history for him though, so Boras will keep getting paid until A-Rod is 42 (when he’ll probably retire). Even when he looses The Boras wins!

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

That doesn't even address what my post was about

but, yeah, Prince is going to get paid, aside from the point I made.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh?

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

So

Payroll is looking like its about at $95M right now, with 2 bench spots to clear, assuming Veras makes $2.5, and Tom’s number about Ramirez’s $6M is accurate, Gonzalez getting $3M, Gamel starting at 1B, and Green on the bench. Also with Parra coming back and Braddock in the bullpen and K-Rod making $11M.

Can’t see any Carlos Pena money in there. But who knows.

Since my original payroll Fanpost is on page three or something, I don’t see a point in updating, so I’ll probably just have to keep making new posts as I update it. Hopefully I can have a new post up today, but I have a sick kid home with me, so if I’m not mopping too much barf I should have time.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

I want you to...

It seems pretty relevant

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, absolutely.

I just didn’t want to step on Charlie’s efforts if he’s already working on a new one.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah that would be great

I haven’t started on it yet.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

There you go.

Comments are re-opened, too.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Cool thanks man!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Happy to help.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 13, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Keep in mind as you edit it:

With the new CBA, minimum salaries are now 500k, instead of 400k.

by tcyoung on Dec 13, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Done and

Done.

Payroll at about $96.08M with my estimates, $97.38 with MLBTR’s estimates. That’s with two bench players left to sign.

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~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought it was $480K

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh good point

looks like they go to $500k in 2014.

It is indeed $480k in 2012.

Editted to reflect.

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"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

$95.94 and $97.24

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You ever think about just making that a new post?

Comments on it are so old at the moment that it may inhibit further discussion …

by MooseHaas on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

I like to be able to reference what people said in the past. Which is why I never delete my assumptions/comments in the original post. Its an interesting gauge of how feelings and perceptions change through the off-season, in my opinion.

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~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Veras makes $2.50?

What a bargain!

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be quite the turn of events

But how would that account for the exogenous source of testosterone?

by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 13, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Please tell me you are joking

bull testicles?

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Dec 13, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Kind of...

Taurine

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 13, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

More likely...

Limelite Bombs

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Dec 13, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

PS

That pic has lots of nullacct potential.

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by thefreewheelin76 on Dec 13, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

This

Helps me imagine Braun as our own Jean Ralphio

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Dec 13, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't trust WADA

especially after the Zach Lund case. Also the fact that the scientists that tested finasteride concluded that it doesn’t in fact mask PEDs, but WADA said ‘ah whatever, its banned anyway’.

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~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately in this case, MLB does trust WADA

So the exogenous testosterone issue doesn’t look like it’s going away.

by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess

I don’t even know if that’s going to be a factor. This ‘source’ is saying it wasn’t even a PED issue. The lawyer said it wasn’t.

This is why this shit isn’t released to the public. The player is publicly crucified, and rampant and ridiculous speculation abounds. Bad info, wrong info, right info, no one has any idea. But yet here we are making statements with certainty about it.

Color me skeptical until this all plays out.

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~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we get the anger stage of grief post up?

Might need some moderation, but we can definitely blow some steam off.

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by -JP- on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

where did you get that about alcohol stopping testosterone breakdown?

http://www.straight.com/article-556921/vancouver/alcohols-longterm-effects-keep-holiday-drinking-check

this article above states that it actually does the OPPOSITE

“Toronto doctor Shafiq Qaadri says that alcohol promotes the destruction of the hormone testosterone. "That first drink of alcohol will actually increase your testosterone level. That good feeling you get is part of the temptation to drink. But alcohol encourages the conversion of testosterone into estrogen, which takes place in abdominal fat cells," Qaadri writes. "Alcohol also acts as a direct irritant to the testes. After its first rush through your body, alcohol will immediately lower your T production." "

by maxximus02 on Dec 13, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

But the test doesn't actually TEST for testosterone-

It sounds like alcohol increases the rate of testosterone metabolism. This could cause a spike in whatever the indicator chemical is and give the illusion of high testosterone. Right?

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Listen to the Brendan Katin interview

like I said.

And then call him up and ask him why he said that?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

i saw an article about Katin,

but never saw a link for audio. either way, is he a chemist or just toting a successful defense he used?

by maxximus02 on Dec 13, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Click on the link in the mug

it takes you right to the audio. I’m not going to repost it for you because you can’t scroll up and do it yourself.

Was the Mug TLDR for you today or something?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

wow, dont get testy

you just referenced an interview i didnt see posted in this thread. i dont memorize the BCB page to check for every post.

by maxximus02 on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

i saw your post and googled him

read an article, and he didnt state that at all. i must have looked over the Katin post in the mug. i’m forever apologetic.

by maxximus02 on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Rightly so

thank you.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

regardless, i dont think Braun has much of a shot

they’d have to be able to prove that he was drinking and that it could impact the tests that much, both of which would be tough to prove outright, since the burden of proof is on the player in these cases…

by maxximus02 on Dec 13, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, which factual evidence are you using?

This is why this stuff isn’t publicized.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

just the fact that it got past the investigation stage,

and hes going before the panel to appeal/overturn. at that point, he has to prove his innocence, not just raise doubt. makes it harder, even if he’s innocent, regardless of what facts anyone knows or what’s public. we know they have enough to bring him before the panel and now he has more than just some ’splaining to do.

by maxximus02 on Dec 13, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember the last time this happened?

No? That’s because its not made public for a reason, and that protection is in the JDA for players. Remember the Jimmy Rollins tweet? Remember the comments from Kevin Goldstein regarding comments from Front Office personnel about these being overturned?

Guilty until proven innocent only in baseball. Its absurd.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

it may be absurd, but that's now the case for Braun,

and he’ll have to deal with it. having his people leak info out may not help either, as the panel may see it as him doing ‘spin’ and be set against him going in

by maxximus02 on Dec 13, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

No, it doesn't have to be the case

but people like you make it the case. I for one am not a ‘guilty until proven innocent’ type. In fact, I like to think people are ‘innocent until proven guilty’.

Also:

the panel may see it as him doing ‘spin’ and be set against him going in

That or they’ll see that some idiot ‘leaked’ this, and he’s trying to prevent irreversible reputation damage that never would have occurred had this taken the standard and appropriate course.

I can be done talking about this, since I won’t ever agree with people like you on this kind of thing.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately, the leak has already scewed this up

The MLB panel is going to deciding this case for reasons well beyond whether or not he can actual make a good case about the test.

It will probably bias them against exonerating him because they want to look “fair” to all the fans riled up by the idiotic sports media and their manufactured outrage.

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by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not an MLB panel

It’s a 3-person arbitration committee. The MLB rep will vote to uphold the suspension, then Union rep will vote to repeal the suspension that the 3rd party arbiter agreed upon by both side will cast the deciding vote.

The Player’s Union isn’t going to rubber stamp someone that’s just going to go with whatever MLB says. MLB won’t have to try to get a particularly sympathetic ear because they’ve already practically won the case by having the rulebook written overwhelmingly in their favor.

There won’t be any favoritism, because there doesn’t have to be. The burden of proof is on Braun and it’s an extremely heavy burden by rule.

by ecocd on Dec 13, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s going to be 3-0 against Braun because of the leak. Who knows what it would have been if it hadn’t leaked.

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by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 3:08 AM CST up reply actions  

If you're talking the court of public opinion..

…. guilty until proven innocent is pretty much universal.

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 13, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The caveat being that that doesn't make it right

and especially in Milwaukee.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Flagged you

rightfully so.

Your post is really ironic, too.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

if you want answers to your Brendan Katin questions, I’m not the guy to be asking

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

What I mean is-

the destruction of testosterone might be what they are testing for.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 13, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Now give me Endy Chavez or Reed Johnson to fill out the bench

And to fill the gap in LF.

Preference for RH Johnson as Green, Ishikawa, Kottaras are all LH’s and would like to see a RH PH alternative to GoGo.

Both should be available for $1 million and change.

Otherwise would guess we have a dog fight between Shafer, Gindl, Katin (none of whom have experience in left) or Jordan Brown finally cracks the bigs.

by infield fly on Dec 13, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Reed Johnson

Is a Cub too far, IMHO. Still can’t forget 2008.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Dec 13, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

"Reed Johnson"

You are banned from the site.

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by SRB on Dec 13, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

awesome.

thank you

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by Jeo on Dec 13, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw it on Reddit a few days ago

and it’s been my desktop ever since. Incredible shot.

fka "warwick5s"

by DEUCE SLUICE on Dec 13, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I used that for a Prognostikeggers post.

It was a picture posted by the AP. It’s not linked to the story anymore because of the SBNation policy with pictures, but I remember using that exact picture for the NLDS Game 5 Prognostikeggers post.

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by -JP- on Dec 13, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Great picture!

The remarkable part of that pic is that the ribbon scoreboard is blank. No ads. It’s pure baseball – as natural as it gets (in Miller Park).

by ddloml on Dec 13, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, this is something different on the Fielder front

Richard Justice of MLB.com has the Blue Jays listed as the team he sees most likely to sign Fielder.

It’s possible this has been discussed before and I just missed it. Still, that’s a different view on the whole situation.

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by -JP- on Dec 13, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

Blue Jays

Beeston has said that they will not go above 5 years for any player. I hope they change their mind because Toronto is team I could see Fielder with and not be too upset. I dont care where he signs as long as its not the cubs or cardinals.

by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 13, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Saito

got only 1.75 million from Arizona. There is no reason why we shouldnt have signed him for 2 million. For those that say he is too old I say 2 million is nothing to risk on a guy that was very good for us last year.

by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 13, 2011 1:34 PM CST reply actions  

That's a pretty good deal.

He’ll probably only pitch 40-50 innings, but they’ll probably be decent to good innings with some definite upside.

by cwolf20 on Dec 13, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a good deal.

$43,750 an inning on the 40 side, $35,000 on the 50 side.

If Gallardo pitches 200 innings next season, he’s only going to make $16,250 an inning. Of course, in his last year (if the option is picked up), he will be making $65,000 an inning.

What does that all mean? Absolutely nothing.

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by -JP- on Dec 13, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

He'd pitch less that that, probably.

$2 million isn’t a lot in a baseball bubble, but when the budget is already stretched beyond where the Brewers wanted to go, and with better players, it’s probably too much.

by Noah Jarosh on Dec 13, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

With KRod costing 10 million

Yes, the Brewers probably couldn’t afford this. What’s his $ per inning? It’s at least 100,000, and that’s if he pitches a LOT of innings.

by cwolf20 on Dec 13, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Not enough money in the budget for a 42 year old reliever

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"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Punto is a 42 year old reliever?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

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"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Saito

I would rather have Saito than either Loe or Parra who will make 2 million or more as well. A one year commitment for 2 million is a good deal for Saito and wouldnt have killed our budget when we could have just gotten rid of Loe or Parra or not traded for Veras who isnt as good as Takashi Saito.

by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 13, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, agree to disagree, I guess

Although Loe and Parra are good pitchers. Veras performed well last year. Saito will be 42. None of those guys will.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

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"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 13, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

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