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Wednesday's Frosty Mug

Some things to read while filling a closet with plastic bags.

We're 66 days away from pitchers and catchers reporting to Maryvale, and we're starting to get a better idea of what the 2012 season is going to cost. Ken Rosenthal reported yesterday that Alex Gonzalez's new deal will pay him $4.25 million next season and his $4 million option for 2013 will vest if he makes 525 plate appearances (FanShot). He's averaged 616 PAs over the last two seasons. That's much more than I expected Gonzalez to cost, but he does fill a clear position of need.

Meanwhile, we also have details on Aramis Ramirez's new deal: He'll earn just $6 million in 2012, but make up for it with $10 million in 2013 and $16 million ($6 million deferred) in 2014. The deal also includes a mutual option for 2015 with a $4 million buyout. I'd be curious to see how often mutual options at the end of a long term deal are exercised. I'd bet it's less than 5-10%.

Today we've got a bunch more on Ramirez:

Of course, change isn't good for everyone. One has to figure Brewers in 11's most recent chapter of Around the Infield will be the last featuring the original cast.

One of the cast members leaving is Casey McGehee, who talked to Todd Rosiak about his somewhat sudden move to Pittsburgh. You can question McGehee's production (and we have), but it's pretty clear he cared deeply about this team and very much appreciated the opportunity to be a part of it. Rosiak said it's tough to see him go.

And, of course, the Ryan Braun story will never end. Here are today's stories:

  • Yesterday I mentioned that longtime Brewer minor leaguer Brendan Katin had a similar suspension overturned in 2007 via appeal. Carrie Muskat of MLB.com talked to Katin about the experience and got the details.
  • TMZ has video of Dodgers outfielder and 2011 MVP runner up Matt Kemp encouraging someone bothering him on the street not to call Braun a cheater until we know the facts.
  • Aaron Rodgers discussed Braun on his radio show yesterday, and also said he's taking Braun at his word until given reason to do otherwise.
  • The MLBPA issued a brief statement also encouraging people to wait to pass judgment until the process has played out.

While the left side of the Brewer infield has turned over this winter, Mat Gamel remains the favorite to start on Opening Day at first base. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker has a reminder of an unfavorable comparison to Astros stalled prospect Brett Wallace he ran last spring.

Apparently award season comes a little later in Canada: The Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame announced yesterday that John Axford and Joey Votto will split 2011's Tip O'Neill Award, given annually to baseball's best Canadian player. Axford also finished second (to figure skater Patrick Chan) in the voting for the nation's annual Lou Marsh Trophy.

Here are today's Prince Fielder notes:

In the minors: There wasn't much Brewer action in winter ball yesterday, but Sergio Miranda went 2-for-4 with a double in Mayaguez's 2-1 loss to Carolina in Puerto Rico. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.

If you'd like more Brewer content this morning but you're sick of reading, click here to listen to my appearance yesterday on The Watercooler in Eau Claire with Jimmie Kaska.

The Brew Crew Ball Book Club met again last night, and there's still time to jump into the discussion if you'd like to talk about chapters 7-9 of The Extra 2%. We'll meet again next Tuesday to discuss the book's conclusion.

This morning's Frosty Mug is the 987th in BCB History. The math doesn't quite line up anymore, but we're still planning on holding The Night Of (Approximately) 1000 Mugs at Rounding Third on January 3, and I'm hoping to see you there.

Around baseball:

Blue Jays: Avoided arbitration with catcher Jeff Mathis (1 year, $1.5 million).
Diamondbacks: Takashi Saito's new contract will pay him $1.75 million in 2012.
Mariners: Signed pitcher Josh Kinney to a minor league deal.
Orioles: Signed Japanese pitcher Tsuyoshi Wada to a two year, $4.15 million deal.
Phillies: Signed pitcher Dontrelle Willis to a one year, $1 million deal.
Red Sox: Signed catcher Kelly Shoppach to a one year, $1.35 million deal.
Royals: Signed pitchers Juan Gutierrez and Francisley Bueno, catcher Max Ramirez and outfielder Greg Golson to minor league deals.

In baseball economics: Yesterday I mentioned that the Mets have taken out another $40 million in loans to cover expenses. That's clearly bad, but Jon Heyman notes that the fact that they were able to find a bank willing to give the money to them is probably a good sign.

Today in former Brewers:

  • High Heat Stats says LaTroy Hawkins is the best middle reliever in baseball.
  • They also note that 1999 Opening Day starter Rafael Roque made just 18 career starts, the least ever for a player who got the call at least once on the season's first day.
  • The B-Ref Blog has a look at Jeromy Burnitz as a Hall of Fame candidate.

This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History celebrates 1992-99 Brewer Dave Nilsson's 42nd birthday. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the 100th anniversary of the first use of ERA.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm headed back to the Oatmeal.

Drink up.

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I miss Casey already.

Not that I don’t understand trading him, I do, just a bummer to lose one of the real good guys in baseball.

Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.

by The Dayman on Dec 14, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

He was Mrs. Cheeseandcorn's favorite Brewer

I had to break the news of his trade to her gently. I promised to show her highlights whenever he gets big hits for the Pirates next year.

by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 14, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm kind of scared to play the Pirates now

If Casey hits against us the way he punished the Cubs for cutting him, we’re in for some hurt.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Dec 14, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Last year my son played 3B on his little league team

he told me he wanted a Casey McGehee jersey. I told him he should just wait to get another and continue wearing his Braun jersey.

What the hell do I do now?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Jonathan Lucroy jersey?

He seems like the safest “No PEDs/Probably here for a decent amount of time yet” bet on the roster.

Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.

by The Dayman on Dec 14, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Yay middling major leaguer jersey

sigh

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Why not Weeks?

Also, it still remains to be on Braun obviously.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Dec 14, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I know re: Braun

Weeks will probably be gone at the end of this contract, though.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is why the family owns Braun jerseys

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

This

After Braun, those two will likely be Brewers the longest.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Give him a counsell jersey

Those never go bad

by Rabbit915 on Dec 14, 2011 12:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

At least

Not until it’s possible to test positive for Pop Rocks and Pixie Sticks.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Dec 14, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

AX!

I got an Axford BP jersey last year. He just screams Milwaukee, IMO.

by jcollins205 on Dec 14, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Better yet

Get him his own personalized jersey.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Fine

How about a Molitor jersey?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

If you want him to trade it for a Blue Jays or Twins jersey eventually.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if you or your son care about that

but I figured that since you mentioned your son plays 3B, and he already had a Braun jersey and was wanting a McGehee jersey.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Well after hemming and hawing and acting all nervous and anxious when asked if he wanted to pitch last year

and saying he didn’t want to get hit with the ball, he now tells me he wants to pitch. We’ll see what happens, but the kid is a natural at third. Not sure how he’d do at P.

But I really do appreciate it. You put much more thought into it than, say, my Mom did.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Imagine my dilemma

I mean, my kid’s pseudonym here is “The Braunophile.” He’s got several Braun shirts & other gear. Last week I almost ordered him a Braun FatHead for his room.

Looks like I’ll have to get him Aaron Rodgers instead….

Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.

by Brew Angel on Dec 14, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Hoping things end up coming out well

otherwise it will be a disappointing learning experience.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Bill Hall?

hehehe

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Dec 14, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Branyan!!!!

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Dec 14, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

In this vein

maybe Yount.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Jose Veras jersey?

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ramirez

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I would consider buying a Ramirez jersey

But only in the condition that I would be going to Wrigley at some point this season. Otherwise not a chance.

by cwolf20 on Dec 14, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Just about my favourite moment of last season was him smacking those three homers off the Cards and thinking it might just be the start of him turning things around…

"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool

by MrLeam on Dec 14, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Jed Lowrie

was just traded along with Kyle Weiland to the Astros for Mark Melancon. This is exactly the type of trade we should be making. I would have been more than happy to trade K Rod for Lowrie and save the money.

by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 14, 2011 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

Melancon isn't even arb-eligible yet.

I’m sure that’s part of the reason Boston made the move.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 14, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

There’s a pretty big difference between 4 cost-controlled seasons of a player and 1 season at 10 million dollars.

by cwolf20 on Dec 14, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

But you don't understand!

This is how trades are made. I give you my stuff I don’t want, and you send back your valuable assets.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 14, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention, at this point we have more need for K Rod/ Melancon than Lowrie.

Or was this a hypothetical we-should-have-traded-for-him-instead-of-signing-Gonzalez-or-Ramirez?

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 14, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe that's the point, yes.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 14, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

K-Rod is more valuable than an oft-injured utility player

They’re overpaying him but if Mark A. is alright with that it’s just dandy with me.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Have you graduated from the BacktoCali School of Baseball Management™?

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Dec 14, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Loved reading the Brewers odds on Fielder in The Outside Corner article

I’d heard a few rumblings of the ever-so-slight chance that Fielder would sign a one-year deal with the Brewers to raise his stock for next year before, but this writer actually makes sense…if you allow yourself to embrace the absolute impossibility of it happening.

I would put the chances of it happening at .005%, but I hope Fielder reads that article and starts thinking about it.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 14, 2011 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

How much more over their budget do you think the Brewers want to go?

DM has already stated that they are way beyond what they wanted to spend for next season.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It occurred to me this morning

That the Pujols contract is almost certainly going to be a complete disaster for the Angels. I wonder if they already regret it.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Dec 14, 2011 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

How so?

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 14, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, I think baseball is still suffering from a little bit of steroid vision

At age 31, sluggers are on the down side of their careers. Aside from the recent steroid era (1995-2007) there aren’t many players who have maintained their ability to hit for average and power in the second half of their careers, much less steadily to the age of 40+. In 1996 if you had given Rafael Palmiero a 10-year contract at age 31, you would have received 32.5 WAR over that time of steady production. That’s the kind of hope people have that they shouldn’t, because steroids artificially extended their careers. From 1997-2006, a 10-year contract for Roger Clemens at age 34 would have earned you an average of 16 wins and 8.9k/9, but steroids did it for him too. You’re going to need to roll back the clock 20 years and ask yourself how awesome some players looked at age 31, and how unwise it would have been to give them 10-year contracts.

Dale Murphy – Age 31: The two-time MVP hit .295 with a career-high 44 HRs, with no signs of slowing. He played only 6 more years, with a .702 OPS for the rest of his career.

Kent Hrbek – Age 31: A career .289 AVG and 8 straight 20+ HR years, out of baseball at age 35.

Robin Yount – Age 31: You get his 2nd MVP at age 33, but he plays only 6 years with a .768 OPS after age 31.

George Foster – Age 31: Foster with Reds = MVP. Foster with Mets = .726 OPS. Retires too late at age 37.

Johnny Bench – Age 31: ROY & 2 MVPs hits .262 after age 31, retires at age 35.

Keith Hernandez – Age 31: MVP and career .835 OPS. After age 31, only 516 games played over 5 years, retired at 36.

It wasn’t hard to find good examples. Normal players decline at the age Pujols is now. To expect something different is either to be praying for an anomaly, to to be planning hijinks.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Dec 14, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting.

I don’t know that you need to pray for an anomaly in Pujols’ case — everything we’ve seen thus far suggests that he is one.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Dec 14, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think we should be comparing Pujols to normal players.

I also think the steroids-magically-allow-you-to-play-ten-extra-years position is overblown and not based on a lot of actual evidence.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I know we've re-hashed this over and over

But steroids, maybe not. HGH, definitely.

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Dec 14, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I wouldn't say definitely on the HGH thing

maybe that’s just semantics, but I’d say “significantly higher likelihood that it increases the longevity of a sports career”

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I still thinking saying HGH itself allows an athlete to continue to dominate into the 40s is stretching it a bit. The problem with all of these arguments is that it comes down to “Well what about Player X?!” which doesn’t really mean anything.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

You have to assume it was a competition thing.

Even before he signed, it was thought by most that the kind of offer he was going to command (and indeed did) would eventually hinder whatever team gave it to him. I doubt they regret it right now. But they will in a few years.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 14, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

that contract will be paid for in years 1-3

at least thats what the angels are probably projecting, the rest is just bonus time in their eyes.

by evand on Dec 14, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

That would be amazing, and I'd be really surprised if it did

But I’m not much of a marketing guy

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Dec 14, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

didn't someone say they have a huge new media deal?

Not to mention big name, more tickets, more memorbilia sales. Pujols is a big draw, they had 4,000 people show up when they introduced him and wilson. Plus, they have to be the odds on favorite to win the AL. I don’t see any way they don’t pay for that contract rather quickly and if they don’t project that it will, they probably wouldn’t have made the deal.

by evand on Dec 14, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

They're getting an average of $150M/year over the course of their new TV contract.

They leveraged the Dodgers’ bankruptcy and Fox Sports’ desperation to nail down the deal. Albert gave them extra leverage.

Arte Moreno did make his fortune in marketing, after all.

Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.

by Brew Angel on Dec 14, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

also a big factor in the signing I would guess

Is the Angels fight to win the heart of Los Angeles and with the Dodgers down and looking like morons last year with their worst attendance in well over a decade, this is their chance, which will have long lasting effects.

by evand on Dec 14, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

That's probably a bit of a reach, but it's more or less right.

Pujols’ value is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $30-35mm over the next four or five seasons. The Angels are underpaying for that, but making up for it by overpaying for the five that follow.

With that said, they probably recoup some of their losses in the final five years of the deal with the added attention and ticket sales as Pujols approaches various milestones. He’ll probably reach 500 and 600 (plus probably 700) home runs as an Angel, pass 3000 hits, etc.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 14, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's no different than the Brewers deferring so much of Braun's salary

One could say that they signed him on to play 20 years through 2031, though he’s only making $18 million over the final 10 years of the contract. They Angels are just deferring Pujols salary.

by ecocd on Dec 14, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

$250 million in year 1?

I hate to hand the World Series to the Angels, but I kind of want to see a 62.5 WAR season.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Assuming 0 walks and 700 plate appearances?

I don’t know what the wOBA would be, but if it’s like 2.000, over 700 PA that would be worth about 1020 wRAA.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

P.S.

The highest career wOBA since 1900 (1+ PA) is held by a Brewer! The great Eduardo Rodriguez.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a point where it's definitely not linear anymore

People argue that roughly 8+ wins aren’t linear, so I don’t even know how you’d approach that. I bet Tango has written something about it.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Dec 14, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

There has to be more money available in baseball

than I have been lead to believe. Everyone has gotten seriously overpaid.

by Braunstalker on Dec 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

How can someone be overpaid when they earn what the market will bear?

3rd baseman are poor across the league and even middling shortstops are hard to come by. 1 fWAR from a 3B or SS is worth a ton more than 1fWAR from a 1B or OF on the open market. It’s all relative.

by ecocd on Dec 14, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Sans Cato institute junk speak,

money is a representation of things with actual value. The MLB is spending like things of actual value are infinite.

by Braunstalker on Dec 14, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll refrain from arguing the point further

I’m sure you could argue for my point of view and I could argue for your point of view just the same as if we were arguing them for ourselves.

by ecocd on Dec 14, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

What were you led to believe?

In 2010, MLB’s revenue was $7 billion.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder how much he paid Kottaras for that number.

Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.

by The Dayman on Dec 14, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Or how about....

You want to play for us next year? Guess what, you have a new number now given that we have Aramis Ramirez.

by backtocali on Dec 14, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Or

We need to give your number to Ramirez. If you want to play, you will have to pass on that number.

by cwolf20 on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Kottaras is a Canadian

He’s too nice to do anything about it.

“What’s that, you want my number, eh? Ya, sure, hey, whatever you need dere, pal.”

by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 14, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

It feels like

He’s wearing a Cubs uniform under that one.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Dec 14, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel bad that he had to be subjected to Rock and Telly on his first day as a Brewer

I’ll be he’s second guessing now.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Seeeeriously.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 15, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't see how Alex Gonzalez was an overpay

It’s below the market value per WAR and it’s in a market were there are essentially zero alternatives. It’s very good value.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

I think this is the best value signing of any free agent move thus far.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Haven't there only been two?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

He means

EVER

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 14, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

How about

Mike Cameron – 2 yrs/$16.25M; 8.5 fWAR in 1136 PAs
or
Gabe Kapler – 1 yr/$800K; 1.6 fWAR in 245 PAs

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean this year, any team

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

5th OF

Brewers should bring back Mike Cameron on a Jim Edmonds-contract.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Dec 14, 2011 1:59 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Great thought

I wonder if he’d do it.

Then they’d just need another IF.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately Punto is no longer available

How about DeRosa… or maybe even Hall?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Punto

Just signed with Red Sox, 2 years, $3M. Still need to find a backup SS.

by Infield Fly Rule on Dec 14, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

Man I need to read first

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

PUNTO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Although I’d never have approved of those contract terms.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think 2 yrs/$3M would've been too much

but they’ll probably be able to get someone for half that amount that’ll be as useful.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh man

The Brewers are really behind the ball.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:40 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Thats great!

There are a couple other good ones out there. Check out the Braves for example.

by Infield Fly Rule on Dec 14, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Not so sure about

Santa Gardy’s “All I want for Christmas is an app to keep track of my ejections”. Wrong. So, so wrong…

"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool

by MrLeam on Dec 15, 2011 1:06 AM CST up reply actions  

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