Ryan Braun And The Five Stages Of Grief: Bargaining
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 14, 2011 2:00 PM CST
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PrintWe were in denial on Monday and got angry yesterday, so it's time to move on to the next step, bargaining.
Admittedly, it's a little harder to write something about this concept than it was to discuss denial or anger. With that said, there have been conversations that can be used as examples over the last few days. In yesterday's anger thread, for example, a discussion broke out wondering if Braun would rather be suspended for using performance enhancing drugs or publicly admit to having an embarrassing medical condition. (That conversation stemmed from pure speculation, by the way, not a statement about Braun potentially having a disease.)
I'd rather not have another conversation about that today, but I will ask this: What would you give to have this whole situation go away, and have the Brewers open the 2012 season at full strength with Braun in left field?
Just like yesterday, before we start I need to remind you that the rules laid out in the BCB Omnibus Posting Guide still apply here. If this thread devolves into namecalling or shouting matches, I reserve the right to close it down and spend the rest of the day dealing with a different kind of grief.
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I'd give up one of Supertramp's kidneys.
And I could be tempted to part with the other one.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
No, those are Charlie's kidneys.
C’mon, I sent you a brochure.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Wouldn't work
Recent ursine experiments show that all bearllike animals are unable to digest large quantities of bile, meaning that they’d leave Carpenter completely alone…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
Who said anything about digesting?
"Obi Braun Kenobi you're our only hope!"
by ObiBraunKenobi on Dec 14, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
I have autographed Suppan and Rivera baseballs that I could add to that.
Might be a little tough to part with since they’re the only autographed Brewers memorabilia (total guess at spelling that word) that I own.
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You can at least keep the Rivera one (he's still a Brewer afterall)
The Suppan one actually caused the ball to lose some value.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Whoa, whoa.
Depression is tomorrow.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
No,
depression is Yuni in left field because we lost Kotsay.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
by Tepo6688 on Dec 14, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I should watch that movie.
I generally movie terrible disaster movies which have nothing to really watch other than special effects.
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What was I trying to say there?
I think it was that I generally enjoy terrible disaster movies which have nothing to watch other than special effects.
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You must have enjoyed watching Yuni move in slow motion then.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
I'd take a 25 game suspension right now. Straight up.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 14, 2011 2:22 PM CST reply actions
I'd take a 25 game suspension
If Prince goes the AL, and the Brewers still win the division this year.
REWIND YOURSELF!
I'd give every Cubs fan on the planet a hug
and tell them that it will all be okay, there’s always next year.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Cubs will be OK next year
Provided, of course, that they remedy their key problem of all their pitchers have two arms by going and signing a pitcher with two arms…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
That'd be no problem
You didn’t say you couldn’t snicker while you did it.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 14, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Hell with it
Just contract the entire NBA if it somehow clears Braun.
by aka Mich on Dec 14, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hell
I’d unban BUCKS and make him a moderator.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Dec 14, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
WOW~!
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Dec 14, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I wasn't around when BUCKS had his reign of terror
However, that’s a major thing to say.
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Here are two things that BUCKS provided that still live on...
LOLLERSKATES and ROTFLOPTER
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
My favorite remains
“I really confused that basketball fan.”
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I do not want to fly in the rotflopter
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Was it not ROFLCOPTER?
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
It could have been
but then it wouldn’t make any sense. Of course, that’s not a requisite considering who we’re talking about.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I mean, it was about six hours long
so it was easy on the “reign” and heavy on the “terror.”
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
It felt like about 60 hours though
60 hours of glorious, unintentional humour where one man showed himself not so much to be an “idiot savant” but the much rarer 100% “idiot idiot”.
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
I'd gone to bed shortly after the thread started
and when I woke up there were over 1,000 comments and it was still going…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
The fact that you call it a 'reign of terror'
proves you weren’t around.
It was really just a guy posting a whole bunch of really stupid things, and then going to far, warned many times, going too far again, and banned.
Its not like he walked around with trojan virus threatening to infect all of our computers if we didn’t rec his comments.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
I know it really wasn't a "reign of terror"
I used that in a more sarcastic sense. If you need more explanation, please see the signature.
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by -JP- on Dec 14, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha awesome
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I'd trade his moderator powers to give them to BUCKS...
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
Alternatively
We could keep BUCKS in a metaphorical Internet cage and when someone from another SBN site decides to troll on BCB we could release him and watch him wreak havoc across their pages. What could possibly go wrong?
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
"Metaphorical" is the only word in there I have a problem with.
Make it a real cage and I’ll consider it.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
That feels like the trade offered in many super hero movies.
“Give me your super powers and I will release your loved one.”
Of course, every time the hero does give up his powers, the villain either admits that he lied or releases the loved one into some peril that the hero now has to overcome without his powers.
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I'd go back in time...
and yank Steve Bartman away from that foul ball. Cubs win the World Series and I have to put up with douchbag Cubs fans. I’m that serious. Make this go away.
Nah, pretty sure they would eff that whole thing up all over again even without Bartman
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
I'd give away my entire Brewers t-shirt collection
and replace them with Remetees.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
That's getting serious
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'd invite TLR over for X-Mas Dinner
And not even send the kids to their rooms when he gets drunk and starts swearing about immigrants.
Mark Attanasio is the best.
by nullacct on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
What do you mean
when he “gets” drunk?
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
by MrLeam on Dec 14, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I just bought a Remetee Shirt on-line
(All of the stuff is 75% off, which is sort of worrisome).
Just to get this straight; I actually LIKE the Remetee womens’ shirts, but there was no way to justify spending that kind of money. I ordered the shirt just before I saw there was a new thread, and the idea was that I’d wear the shirt to show support.
That’s kind of giving something up, I guess. I gave up the idea that I shouldn’t get a Remetee, and decided to get one. I’ll let you know when I get it.
- One thing I would actually give up would be driving for a few weeks; take the bus. Let me preface this by saying I have severe bus anxiety. It would be a big deal, for me.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Dec 14, 2011 3:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Is it bus anxiety
Or people on the bus anxiety?
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Dec 14, 2011 3:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jess...
in a Remetee? You aren’t the person I figure would go to a club and start fist pumping like…well those guys out east…
I think it is pretty funny you got one! And super cool at the same time, lol
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 14, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
To make this go away, as if it never happened?
I’d give up my ability to post here.
Maybe that doesn’t seem like a lot to some of you, but this is my daily source of intellectual and baseball stimulation. It would be an extremely difficult thing.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
That 2nd paragraph is about how it is for me too
But I have a bit more fine of a line to walk than you do.
True
although I don’t think are lines are that far apart, to be honest.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Wow I don't know how I missed that
I don’t think I’ve ever done that. Now I’m embarrassed.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 14, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
I've no idea either
Normally you our one of the best spellers on this site…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
by MrLeam on Dec 14, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I see what you did there.
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No, it would be 'there'.
There is used when pointing to a location (ex. “The posts are over there.”).
Their is used for possession (ex. “Their posts are unusual.”)
They’re is a contraction and is used as a subject (ex. “They’re somewhere on the site.”)
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by -JP- on Dec 14, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Never change, my man.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Dec 14, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Sometimes I feel like I'm the Sheldon Cooper of this site, except not as smart.
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I infer from this comment that you like the Big Bang Theory.
The fact that you like that and not Arrested Development troubles me.
I don't know if I said that I don't like Arrested Development.
Just that I didn’t think it was anything special.
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Would it help if I watched through it again?
Sometimes I find movies & TV shows better the second time through, because then I actually know who the characters are and it makes more sense.
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It's your life.
I’m just telling you how to live it.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 14, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The second season of Arrested Development
remains the greatest achievement in television history.
I will not argue about this.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Dec 14, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, at this point, I feel like I'm seriously missing out on something here.
What am I missing in this show that everyone likes so much? I don’t hear anyone else talk negatively about the show, so what am I missing?
I need to figure this out now, so I guess I will be watching through it again.
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Start from the beginning
You’ll see jokes interweave and develop over the course of multiple episodes and seasons.
I really like when the setup for a joke happens 2 episodes before the punchline.
Its the nonstop volley of amazingly double edged dialogue that most people enjoy
And how almost every episode builds to a culminating “joke” at the end. That, and the fact that is so sublimely cast it is ridiculous!
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
You should go meet with a good analyst/therapist to discuss.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
or, one may want to visit an...
analrapist
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
by jarlbartar on Dec 14, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
My wife and I just finished Season 1 last night
Yeah, we’re a little slow. Can’t wait for Netflix to ship Season 2.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 14, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Make friends with Hulu
they are all on there I think, not sure if you gotta get Hulu pluse to see them all though.
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
So
You saw what he did there, but then went ahead and corrected Rubie?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
No
I saw what MrLeam did in his post.
I didn’t see what Rubie did until he replied to my post correcting him.
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I can't even deal with this subthread
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Can't believe
there was no to, two, too joke.
(and the improper use/lack of use of too might be my current biggest grammar pet peeve)
by Nicole Haase on Dec 15, 2011 2:12 AM CST up reply actions
Mee to!
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 15, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
I will give up my irrational hatred of
Rony Cedano, Reed Johnson and Dick Enberg.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Dec 14, 2011 3:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Packer Games
I would stop watching the rest of the Packer season. The only sports solace I’ve had since Marcum’s 1st inning meltdown. Am I alone here?
Also, cheese.
"It felt great," he said. "It really did. I wanted to go back out there for the eighth. It's good to be a part of it."-Axford
I'd stop watching the Bucks, starting two years ago.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 14, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I will never watch a Bucks game again, Ever.
I hate Yuni.
by BrewCrewBrian on Dec 14, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
i think your eyes would not be pink at that point
they’d be rainbow colored
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 16, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
It's funny how many of these bargains resemble how most people propose mock trades.
“I’ll give you this stuff that I don’t want and has no value for this stuff that I want and has value.”
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There is sort of a theory behind that, though.
I don’t have a link, but there have been studies done where if you ask someone if a number is above or below a much higher number, and that person knows it’s less, they will answer below. Then, if you ask them the exact number, they will guess higher than they normally would have.
For example, if you were to ask someone who didn’t know whether Pete Rose had more or less than 8000 hits, they would probably know it’s less. Then, if you ask them exactly how many hits he had, they would say a number that would have been higher than they otherwise would have said.
I think that could work in trades, too. If you offer a fair value immediately, the other team will probably try to get more. If you low ball them, maybe they’ll offer you less than what you thought fair value was. Or they’ll hang up on you.
Maybe I’m just full of hot air.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 14, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The game theory generally supports d-bag last minute negotiating
The closer a side gets to their deadline, the closer they get to their true value.
You offer them something you believe to be low so that there’s room for them to come down to where they really value the player.
That’s in part why Melvin pulled the trigger on the Hardy trade so fast. He actually might have been willing to go lower than Gomez so he took Gomez when he was offered.
by ecocd on Dec 14, 2011 8:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll give up beer.
Oh good god. What have I done??!!!!!
by Hangwith'em Rach on Dec 14, 2011 4:25 PM CST reply actions
Just offer to do it for 50 games
I’ll match it
It wasn't the best of times, it wasn't the worst of times, but all in all 2011 season was a pretty damn good time
by PlusorMinusThree on Dec 14, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
Given that I don't like beer
I’d be willing to start drinking beer for 50 games.
by ecocd on Dec 14, 2011 8:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would not be opposed to giving Jeff Suppan a minor league contract
Maybe even give him the Dillard role in the ’pen
I hate Yuni.
If Suppan has to be on the active roster
I’d prefer it be in a Dillard-type role.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
So is this a real rumor going around?
Or did this guy read BCB yesterday?
"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush
by thefreewheelin76 on Dec 14, 2011 5:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
BTW
That’s a link to Terez Owens talking about a ‘rumor going around’ that Braun has a certain medical condition.
"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush
by thefreewheelin76 on Dec 14, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
I love how there's not just rumors
But RUMORS. Putting it in all caps is basically like confirming it with a second source.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 14, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
It wouldn't be surprising
Since that’s the only time I’ve read that theory… until now. Then again, maybe PJLizard is TerezOwens.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
No
I actually am not anyone but myself. And I feel terrible if putting something on these boards actually starts a rumor, when that was not my intention.
I only posted because I found it to be a reasonable answer to how this all played out, and thought others might be interested. Again, this is not coming from any source other than a doctor who assessed the effects of a drug and found similarities.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Terez Owens didn't come across a comment on a BCB thread for that.
I also doubt that it came from a more reliable source.
There won't be any bargaining with this guy
Source: @RedSox sign INF Nick Punto to 2-year deal worth $3 million … http://atmlb.com/tqtcsO #HotStove
I know a few people had mentioned him as a possible bench infielder.
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Kyle
Loved listening to you on our eau Claire watercooler show yesterday here In eau claire it was nice to “listen” to brewers talk in our erea and only a few minutes of it centered around Braun very refreshing!!! Thank you hope you come on the show again!!!!
by Applythebunt on Dec 14, 2011 5:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Thanks!
I was really happy with how the show went, and hope we’ll make a habit of it going forward.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
If this could go away
I would donate the third check of every three payday month to the mac fund!!!!
by Applythebunt on Dec 14, 2011 5:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'd let Vince Naipoli run our PR for the season
I’d rather have a pissed off high-school band And 30 bids on every logistical decision than deal with losing Braun for 50 games
by Chuckiehacks83 on Dec 14, 2011 7:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The sad, sad, sad thing is that this isn't going away...
…but nevertheless, I can’t wait for Maryvale!
Ok...one more, then we've gotta go...
I wouldn't give up anything.
Ryan Braun is a badass and hater’s gonna hate!
< Rides away on segway >
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
I'd be willing to listen to Davey Nelson in the booth with Uecker for 50 games.
by ecocd on Dec 14, 2011 8:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
But who's it gonna be for real?
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
it's gonna happen anyway
On the other hand Cory Provus in the booth with Dan Gladden is going to be something else. What it is, I don’t know what, but something else.
I'd give up directv
That’s huge considering I live in dallas
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
BCB Fantasy Football League 1 Champ
by Hyatt on Dec 14, 2011 11:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'd be willing...
To let Dan Plesac close 10 3-run lead games.
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