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by Kyle Lobner on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 AM CST
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We're 74 days away from pitchers and catchers reporting to Maryvale, but yesterday's first day of the Winter Meetings didn't tell us much of anything about which players will be headed to camp. We do know one player who won't, though: Jerry Hairston Jr. signed a two year, $6 million deal with the Dodgers yesterday (FanShot). He told Amy K. Nelson of SB Nation that being close to home was a factor, so it's possible the Brewers matched or exceeded the offer but didn't get the player anyway. Either way, Hairston had never earned more than $2.3 million in a season before.
Ron Roenicke sat down with reporters yesterday, saying among other things that he spoke to Shaun Marcum following the season, the Brewers need to decide on a #4 hitter and expect Casey McGehee back in a full time role in 2012. You can see the full transcript of his comments here. There's also video available of his appearance on MLB Network last night.
This would come as a surprise to me, but it's possible the Brewers are one of the top contenders to land Jimmy Rollins. This Philly.com report suggests the Brewers and Phillies are "going toe-to-toe" over the veteran shortstop's services. @wezen-ball has a reminder that even a fictional alien would get on base more often than Yuniesky Betancourt. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker has a look at the shortstop situation.
It is, of course, extremely unlikely to happen, but Jack also raised an interesting question on Twitter yesterday: Should the Brewers call the Marlins and offer Zack Greinke for Hanley Ramirez?
The Aramis Ramirez rumor isn't going away. David Schoenfield of ESPN.com listed a Brewers/Ramirez contract as one of ten things he'd like to see at this week's meetings.
Here are a couple of other notes on infielders that may come up again: Jayson Stark said Mark DeRosa, who is a free agent this winter, could be a fit with the Brewers. Meanwhile, Jerry Crasnick is reporting the Giants are considering non-tendering or trading infielder Jeff Keppinger. Keppinger only played second base last season but has made 178 appearances at shortstop in his career.
On the relief front, it seems like LaTroy Hawkins is going to become a former Brewer. His agent told Tom Haudricourt the team has shown no interest in bringing him back. They have, however, apparently expressed interest in Todd Coffey and Octavio Dotel. View From Bernie's Chalet has a look at some relievers available on a relatively low budget.
If this is true, then one of the bullpen vacancies might be filled: Zack Braddock is expected back at full strength in Brewer camp in 2012.
Here are today's Prince Fielder notes:
- Baseball Nation spotted a Buster Olney report saying the Brewers are "out" on Fielder.
- Jerry Crasnick is reporting something that flies in the face of things we've heard elsewhere: Someone close to Fielder told him he's "not necessarily going to chase the most money," and that comfort is a factor.
Fielder, by the way, has something in common with five other relatively unknown players on this list at High Heat Stats. I have no idea what that something might be.
Elsewhere in unusual lists: Value Over Replacement Grit notes that there were 44 major leaguers in 2011 who have all five vowels in their name. Four of them were Brewers: Craig Counsell, Eulogio (Frankie) De La Cruz, Francisco Rodriguez and Yuniesky Betancourt.
In the minors:
- The news remains bad for pitcher Santo Manzanillo as details emerge from his car accident last week. He was ejected through the moonroof of his hummer when it rolled and suffered a broken shoulder blade which may require surgery. To make matters worse, he was robbed while laying injured in the ditch.
- The winter league Brewers were all off yesterday.
- The Wisconsin Timber Rattlers are selling stock in the team, which sounds like a pretty cool holiday gift.
- Baseball America has a post on Kentrail Davis, but it's subscriber-only.
Our Brewer-by-Brewer look at the 2011 season continued yesterday with this profile of Mat Gamel. The series continues later today, so be sure to check back.
This morning's Frosty Mug is the 980th in Brew Crew Ball history. We're still on pace to publish the 1000th Mug on Tuesday, January 3 and we'd like you to join us afterwards for The Night of 1000 Mugs.
Around baseball:
Diamondbacks: Signed pitcher Joe Martinez to a one year deal.
Dodgers: Signed pitcher Aaron Harang to a two year deal believed to be worth $12 million.
Rockies: Acquired pitcher Kevin Slowey from the Twins for a PTBNL and claimed outfielder Jamie Hoffmann off waivers from the Dodgers.
Twins: Claimed pitcher Pedro Florimon off waivers from the Orioles and signed reliever Matt Capps to a one year, $4.75 million deal with an option for 2013.
The Rule 5 draft is coming up on Thursday, but this year I've seen a surprisingly low number of previews for it. View From The Bleachers has four players they'd consider selecting, and Ben Badler of Baseball America tweeted a scouting report on Tigers pitcher Jay Voss.
- Seedlings To Stars listed Jake Odorizzi as baseball's #32 prospect.
- Rick Peterson is apparently a long shot to become the new pitching coach in Boston, but former Brewer Bob McClure has a better chance.
- For some reason, Jerry Royster's name has also come up with the Red Sox.
- Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus has a collection of quotes from various players on being inducted to the Hall of Fame, including one from Paul Molitor.
Today in baseball economics:
- It's got to be a scary time to be a Mets fan. A report this week showed that Mets ownership is roughly $1.5 billion dollars in debt from deals regarding the acquisition of the team, SNY and Citi Field. That's more than they could probably even make back by selling the team, and doesn't include money they may be forced to pay as part of the Madoff lawsuit.
- Meanwhile, the average MLB salary for 2011 was $3.095 million. The Biz of Baseball has a breakdown by service time.
If you've finished this morning's Mug and you're still looking for other things to do, maybe you have time to enter to be a part of MLB's Fan Cave promotion in 2012. Getting paid to watch a lot of baseball seems like a sweet deal.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to be reminded again.
Drink up.
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I'm trying to decide what would be worse:
Prince on the Cubs.
Prince on the Cardinals.
Yuni on the Brewers.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 11:00 AM CST reply actions
same, but choice C is a very close second haha
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
the Cubs first round is protected since they were awful.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I pick
C
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Dec 6, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
So, if Pujols signs with Miami, the cardinals would get a suplemental pick after the first round and a fourth round pick, correct? What a joke. I hope he signs there just so they won’t sign Fielder.
by KittenMittons on Dec 6, 2011 11:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
No, they'd do better.
The free agent rankings are used to determine who gets what pick. Pujols would be rated ahead of Bell or Reyes, so the Cardinals would get the first compensation pick (round 2 in this case). Then the team with the second highest ranked player would get the second pick, and so on.
Earlier today someone mentioned on Twitter that the Mets could actually end up getting the fourth round pick (plus a sandwich pick) for Reyes.
Also, this is the last year this problem will ever happen on this scale.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I thought it all had to do with timing of the signing now.
Or is Jose Reyes actually ranked below Heath Bell somehow?
by KittenMittons on Dec 6, 2011 11:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do you know how it will work in the future?
Let’s say the new CBA rules went into place this offseason, and that Pujols, Reyes, and Bell were all offered $12.4M by their old team and turned it down.
My understanding was that the Marlins still have to give up picks for all 3 of those. Since they finished bottom 10 last year, they keep their first pick. Then their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks go to the Padres, Mets, and Cardinals, respectively, since it’s reverse order of records of the teams being compensated.
In other words, Bell would result in a sandwich and a 2nd rounder and Pujols would result in a sandwich and a 4th rounder. So, more ridiculous than this year even.
As long as one team buys up lots of expensive free agents in the same offseason, I think we’ll have this problem.
Just reread my title
and I didn’t mean that to come off snarky. I was seriously asking if you knew how it’d work, but then I actually looked it up and figured out how it would work and neglected to change the title.
Right
It’s still technically possible for something like this to happen in the future, just really unlikely. One team would have to sign three different free agents who were valuable enough to turn down 1/$12.4mm offers in the same offseason. That kind of binge is really unusual.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I think Jack's got it right
The Brewers should go hard for Rollins, and if they can’t get him, they’re going to have to look to Furcal or Gonzalez. I still think Gonzalez will end up being the guy (unfortunately), but at least he comes with some great defense. Punto would be a good fit for utility guy as well.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
Any one of the guys you mentioned would be better than having Yuni as the starting SS.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I actually think my first choice might be Furcal (assuming he's reasonably priced)
I have no concept.
Agreed
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I sort of feel like Doug will do everything he can to sign either A-Ram or Rollins
Even though Ryan Braun won the MVP, he still needs to do something to counter Prince leaving in terms of fan-interest/momentum.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly wouldn't be surprised
if he pulled some magic out of his cowboy hat and got both. Seemingly impossible payroll wise, but It’s honestly what I see happening until one of them goes off the market
(Verb) you cardinals.
by Taterwithbacon on Dec 6, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
With every signing that passes
It makes me think that the first big signing (or, at this point, the first signing) the Brewers announce will be one that will make so many people cry that Kyle will have to see if SBNation has a grief counselor somewhere to come to the blog and help people.
Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector
If that first signing is Yuni, the grief counselor is going be useless.
An undertaker will be required.
I hate Yuni.
by BrewCrewBrian on Dec 6, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
"the brewers announce the re-signing of betancourt for 2 yrs/10 mil"
Just wait for it…
by Chuckiehacks83 on Dec 6, 2011 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thing is, Yuni will always be available
The Brewers won’t need to make him an offer until absolutely everyone else is off the table. He won’t have any other suitors. He won’t be the first FA contract the Brewers sign. I think Dotel for 3 years as mentioned below is more likely. Melvin doesn’t have a single 3-year reliever contract on the team which means he’s due.
Please no
If DM wants to sign Dotel… at most make it a 1-yr deal (2 at most).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Octavio Dotel, 3/$15
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I just threw up a little in my mouth
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
per Bob Nightengale of USA Today
The #marlins have offered Pujols a 10 year deal in excess of 200 million. #StLCardinals expected to counter today
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 11:30 AM CST reply actions
It's been a while since I watched a player's free-agent drama with more enjoyment than Pujols right now
I’m still pretty sure he’s going to end up with the Cardinals, but this is still really fun to watch as a massive effort by the Marlins to troll the Cardinals.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
If that offer is accurate, I don't think he's staying in St. Louis
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Players pay income tax essentially on a game-by-game basis
Only half his salary will be taxed at Florida or Missouri rates. Missouri’s income tax is 6%, halve that and they’ll have to tack on about an extra 3% to make up the income tax difference. i think they can swing $206 million if they’re willing to match $200 million.
Hard to say
I think the Cardinals’ offer was/is for over $200M as well.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Right
My point was that just because the Marlins’ offer is for over $200M doesn’t mean that it will be (or was) better than the Cardinals’ offer.
I think Pujols’ agent was throwing around 10 yrs/$275M previously. I doubt the Marlins went quite that high in terms of the dollar amount.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
See if that is really their offer
Pujols meet miami
(Verb) you cardinals.
by Taterwithbacon on Dec 6, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I'm the only one...
but watching Marcum pitch makes me wish Brett Lawrie was our 1B next year. Melvin knew he was getting a Starter who topped out at 88 and he was trading a 20 yr-old super prospect. The more time goes on that trade seems like a really impatient move that the Blue Jays capitalized on.
I agree
in that I hated the Marcum trade when it happened and it looks far far worse now. As for Lawrie he has improved his defense and would be our starting 3B next season. Instead we will either overpay for Aramis Ramirez or give scrub McGehee another shot to beat out Taylor Green.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
We wouldn't have been in the playoffs without Marcum.
I have no concept.
by menchkins on Dec 6, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not true
Because if the Brewers had called up Lawrie in August just like the Jays did, his production would have been the thing that had gotten them in. Not only that, had they not picked up Marcum, they probably would have signed Carl Pavano as an FA, and the Lawrie/Pavano combo is almost double what Marcum gave.
Great point
two months of Lawrie at third instead of McGehee would have been worth a couple wins alone. Melvin has no foresight and that is a big reason why I dont think he is a good GM. He would be a great GM for a large market team where payroll is much higher and prospects are not as valuable as they are to us.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
First off, you're assuming RR would've used Lawrie instead of McGehee
Second, two months of Lawrie isn’t going to make up for a whole season of Pavano vs. Marcum.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
No
Pavano produced more than Marcum did.
If you replace Pavano with Marcum and then use Lawrie for a month, the team winds up winning 99 games instead of 96.
Pavano
You wrote this last year:
I wouldn’t touch him
He gets hit, alot. Luck or not, when a pitch to contact type of guy like Pavano, who has unspectacular stuff, throws the ball theres a very good chance its going to be hit. And those hits are eventually going to fall into play as basehits.The only thing that makes him seem relatively worthwhile is that he throws strikes. put him in front of a mediocre defense and you are looking for trouble. Granted, he did play for two of the worst defenses last year, its just too risky for the Brewers. He would be a Suppan clone. This team needs some swing and miss type pitchers, not more contact guys.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 6, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
Although I'm now terrified of the stupid shit I've said that you've got squirreled away somewhere.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
How is WAR calculated for pitchers?
Because despite having a slightly higher fWAR (2.9 vs. 2.7), Pavano had a worse xFIP (4.14 vs. 3.89).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
FanGraphs WAR calculations for pitchers
are based on FIP, not xFIP.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Dec 6, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if you use FIP, Marcum pitched better...
Marcum: 3.73
Pavano: 4.10
Just trying to figure out why Pavano has a higher fWAR than Marcum.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Pavano had 20+ more IP
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
So when BTC says that he "produced more"
he just means that he pitched more innings?
Because it wasn’t because he was more effective.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Exactly
Its just straight up WAR comparison. That would be like saying that Kemp produced more than Braun, even though there was a decent AB gap due to games missed.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
You're using WAR completely wrong, again
Ugh
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 6, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
Ditto.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 6, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Oh come on
using it like that makes his case. Cut him some slack.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
pretty ballsy conclusion considering Lawrie ended the year on the DL.
One can’t say he surely would have been on the DL if he was with Brewers, but you can’t say he would not have either…..
I concur.
That trade will go down as the biggest of Melvin’s many blunders.
by Righteous Brother on Dec 6, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Worse than Gagne for sure
that was only a 1 yr deal while dealing Lawrie will haunt this organization for years.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I can't believe this is actually being said
about Lawrie for Marcum.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Agreed
Marcum was a great pitcher for 95% of the season. I think both teams “won” the trade.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Dec 6, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rebuttal
Without Marcum, it’s not very likely that the Brewers win the NL Central in 2011. Might’ve missed the playoffs. Yes, he was terrible in the playoffs, but there are still serious concerns on whether Lawrie has the glove to play anywhere for 10+ years in the league. Combine that with the possible personality concerns, and I don’t think it’s a terrible trade.
Will it be hard to watch if Lawrie mashes for 10 years and the Brewers are terrible? Absolutely. However, the ride was pretty good last year, so you have to factor that in.
Also, it’s pretty likely that without Marcum, Greinke does not waive his no-trade clause for Milwaukee. No Marcum or Greinke = 2011 Brewers for sure missing the playoffs.
by JLHanke on Dec 6, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Disagree completely
I think we could have resigned Capuano or signed a guy like Brandon McCarthy and still easily made the playoffs. Keith law for one reported that Lawrie improved a ton defensively at third. We knew that Lawrie was potentially a special bat but traded him for two years of a good but not great starter. Lawrie has a chance to be a special bat one that this organization could have built around.
Greinke would have come to Milwaukee even without Marcum if we added a decent starter like McCarthy. While I didnt love the Greinke trade I was not dead set against it because we didnt give up any grade A prospects. I do think Odorizzi has a chance to be really good and Cain is a nice prospect but neither of them had the upside that Lawrie did. Greinke is also a top starter while Marcum is a notch or two below.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Hindsight is always 20/20, right?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
No way.
I’m sure he was campaigning for a McCarthy signing after his 2009 season where he pitched 97 big league innings with a 4.70 FIP, and his 2010 season where he was hurt the whole year and only pitched 56 innings.
Let me just see if I can find those posts somewhere…
by placidity on Dec 6, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, everyone was on the McCarthy bandwagon!
AND Capuano, since after 2 TJ surgeries, guys usually never fail!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Dude
Brewers should have signed Phillip Humber off waivers – 3.5 WAR last year and wouldn’t have cost them Lawrie!
Get a ife broseph
Or if we're playing the Monday morning Quarterback game...
They should have aggressively gone after Ryan Vogelsong because he had one of the most ridiculous outlier years I have ever seen.
I have no concept.
by menchkins on Dec 6, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Josh Collmenter could have been had for nothing!
And Alex Avila, and Lance Berkman!
My goodness, this team could have been one of the greatest in Brewers history!
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Greates teams in history! All of these moves were so OBVIOUS!!! How can Melvin mis the clear signs of shit players that are about to have amazing seasons?
I have no concept.
by menchkins on Dec 6, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha I love your signature
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Also, why the hell didn't they sign Colby Lewis two years ago?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
I think we could have resigned Capuano or signed a guy like Brandon McCarthy and still easily made the playoffs.
Had we known before the year that Wainwright was going to shred his arm in Spring Training and Edinson Volquez (and the Reds in general) was going to pratfall: sure.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Simple Question
was two years of Marcum fair value for at least 6.5 of Lawrie or could we have gotten more value if we were looking to deal Lawrie.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Do you know what the other offers were?
Or what the reaction DM got when he started shopping Lawrie?
In what world is your question “simple”?
Get a ife broseph
Wait, where was Lawrie going to play?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
My summation of the Lawrie situation
is this. He was an potential elite bat at the time of the trade. We needed to try him out at third and if that didnt work out first base or right field would have been fine since Lawrie is a very good athlete. If the organization was looking to move him they needed to trade him for someone with more than two years of control.
Trading 6.5 years of Lawrie for 2 from Marcum was never a trade where we received equal value. Obviously none of us know what Melvin could have gotten for Lawrie but I am pretty certain we could have gotten far better value than Marcum.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
If the organization was looking to move him they needed to trade him for someone with more than two years of control.
Why? Is making the playoffs in 2014 better than making the playoffs in 2011?
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Dec 6, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Being in contention
every year should be the goal and maximizing the value of assets is key. Since we have a middle of the road payroll we always need to be cycling in new talent and trading cheap talent for peak value players is not the way to sustain success.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
How many middle of the road payroll teams are in contention every year?
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
The Rays are
That’s all that really matters. Brewers should be more like TB. (I think that’s the counter to that question)
Get a ife broseph
Apropos of nothing:
Rubie from 10 years ago would be baffled to hear that, in 2011, the Rays are the franchise that every mid- and small-market team is trying to emulate.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Why would we have tried him at 3rd?
McGehee had been great til last year.
Melvin could have gotten a pitcher that was under team control longer but not necessarily a pitcher that’s as good as Marcum AND under control longer.
I have no concept.
Blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Dec 6, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Honest question
Were you against the trade after it happened? I honestly don’t remember too many people stating that the Brewers shouldn’t have made that trade.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I was against the Lawrie trade completely
since I thought Lawrie had the potential to be an elite hitter and dont like Marcum at all. I was also slightly negative on the Greinke trade but only cared about losing Odorizzi and Cain so I didnt have much issue with that one.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Not here, at least
Because he joined in May.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I disagreed with the Lawrie trade by itsekf
But taken as part of the Greinke trade, I don’t fault Melvin for making the move as part of a larger trade/plan. If you frame it as Lawrie, Escobar, Cain, Jeffress, Odorizzi for Greinke and Marcum (plus a sack of potatoes to play short), it doesn’t seem like such an overpay.
by Chuckiehacks83 on Dec 6, 2011 3:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You're using hindsight
Lawrie was not a “super prospect.” He was a solid bat with major questions about his defensive skillset. He still hadn’t shown much in terms of power or line drive ability before the trade was made either.
He ended up play extremely well for a month after making the majors. Give him time, he’ll get figured out and settle into a more realistic level of production.
Also, he’d be our starting 3B, Gamel still goes to 1st.
by cwolf20 on Dec 6, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Not hindsight at all from me
Lawrie was always super young for his levels and showed great power in BP that was going to show up in games at some point. I always considered him to have an elite bat but you are right about the defensive questions. At worst I saw him as a corner outfielder or first baseman with tremendous hitting abilities. Now that he looks to have settled in at third the trade looks even worse.
I never like giving up prospects with elite tools which Lawrie has for pitchers with two years of control. This is why the trade was far worse than the Greinke deal. At least with Greinke you were getting a pitcher with elite stuff without dealing any grade A prospects. In that deal we gave up more quantity than quality though Odorizzi has a chance to be really good.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
and showed great power in BP
I can show great power in BP. That doesnt mean I have any baseball skills whatsoever. In a more realistic note, Weeks shows power that is almost on Fielder’s level in BP and he hasn’t become a prolific HR hitter yet.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Dec 6, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Can you play first?
I have no concept.
by menchkins on Dec 6, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would have the range of Cecil Fielder…now. and would probably make Rob Deer look like a contact hitter. I would give it a try for the league minimum though.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I think losing Escobar will have more of an impact than losing Lawrie.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Hindsight may be in play here
But your response is not a very good one.
Everyone knew that Lawrie was going to hit, and at the very worst it would have played well as a RF. The Brewer player development team dropped the ball in not figuring he could have worked at 3B.
Showing that you have power or line drive ability as in results on the field is never really something that scouts or development people look for, its the development of swing mechanics and if the power/line drive ability is something seen there, it doesnt matter if they dont :“show” because minor league ball is all about development, not results.
And as I note above, and as does brooklyn, the team most likely does make the playoffs if Marcum isnt a Brewer and Lawrie is because of the other options they were exploring for the rotation.
I thought from day one that the trade was an overpay on the Brewers behalf, and had thought that if you were going to send Lawrie to the Jays for someone straight up, it should have been for Brandon Morrow instead (which by the way would have resulted in even more production than what Marcum gave).
Didn't you hate Lawrie when he played for the Brewers?
Or at least he wasn’t nearly as good as he was when he went to the Blue Jays system?
I guess they really have a great player development program up there.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
I didnt like the guy because of his attitude issues
But it doesnt change the fact that if you trade a guy that has a certain value, that you would get a fair value in return for him. I wasnt advocating that they simply give him away for nothing.
So they gave him away for nothing?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Its all about maximizing value
If we were going to trade Lawrie which I was against we needed to get a power arm with more years of control. I think there is a good chance that Jack Z would have dealt Pineda for Lawrie in a deal of great prospects. Z knew as he does now that his team has no bats and he drafted Lawrie.
Melvin hates trading for unproven talent on the rise instead chosing to build around veterans most of which are at there high points in value. This organization needs to build around elite young talent and supplement that with a few veterans. Instead we are constantly looking to overpay in terms of trading young talent or signing overpriced vets. This is why we are looking at guys like Aramis ramirez instead of giving Taylor Green a chance. This is the wrong way to build a sustained model for success.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
That's all baseless speculation
Also, did you see that Aaron Harang signed for 2/$12M? How much do you think Marcum is worth? He’s probably going to make less than that in the 2 years he’s here, and that’s a hell of a deal. Particularly when you deal a prospect who was blocked at all positions at the MLB level.
You’re using hindsight here.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Blocked by who
Lawrie was blocked by who exactly? Was he blocked by McGehee who played over his head for two years and was below average defensively? The only way a top notch player is blocked is if you have a superstar at his position.
It is not hindsight to say that we shouldnt have traded a potential elite hitter for two years of a pitcher with below average stuff. If we traded Lawrie for a guy like Pineda then you could say we got equal value but trading 6.5 years of Lawrie for two of Marcum was a fleecing of Melvin by Anthopoulos.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Weeks at 2B
McGehee (who just came off 2 3+WAR seasons in a row) at 3B
Gamel was still in the mix for the next year.
Hart/Braun in the OF
Fielder still at 1st for 2011
by cwolf20 on Dec 6, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Some legit points
Weeks was definitely good enough to block a top prospect like Brett Lawrie. Mcgehee was always a case of fools good; he was a guy that never hit in the minors and was always a mediocre at best defender so he was not a long term answer.
Braun of course is a franchise player but Hart is not good enough to block a young potentail star. We could have traded a guy like Hart who is not a cornerstone to make room for Lawrie and Fielder we knew was only going to be Brewer for one more season.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Not only are they legit points
they are all obvious without someone pointing them out to you.
Are you just trying to argue now or what? I’m OK with you being the only guy in the room that thinks that the Marcum/Lawrie trade is one of the worst moves Doug has ever made, but you’re not changing anyone’s mind.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No problem
i certainly didnt mean to come off condescending but I dont see McGehee or Hart as elite talents that are good enough to block someone better.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'll use WAR because I'm lazy
But Hart was the 7th best RF in baseball according to WAR and missed a month. Without the injury he’s probably 3rd among MLB RFs.
Get a ife broseph
Lawrie was a poor defensive hitting only prospect
You don’t know anything about Pineda even being available. McGehee ‘played over his head’ but I’m sure you were OK putting him in midway through 2009 even though in his 25 MLB PAs prior to that he had a -22 wRC+…and then he went on to put up two very good seasons. In case you had forgotten, Lawrie was moved to 3B by the Blue Jays. He was a 2B in Milwaukee’s system, after having moved from his drafted position of C.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
He's not the only guy in the room.
who thinks the Marcum/Lawrie trade was one of the worst moves Melvin had made.
What am I? A potted plant?
by Righteous Brother on Dec 6, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
That depends on how much sunlight and water you need to survive
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
How can you possibly say it was a fleecing of Melvin
when the Jays have to deal with THE YANKEES, REDSOX, AND RAYS every year? They’re SOL.
I got goons.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Dec 6, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Now if it were July 10th, and the Brewers were in the race, I would have been all for it (Lawrie/Marcum trade).
Get a ife broseph
Who said that
it definitely was not me.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
The person I was responding to (BtC)
I don’t think you were posting here under your current user-name when the Marcum/Lawrie trade happened.
Get a ife broseph
Surprised
BTC would have said that at all. I wasnt a member of this fine community at the time of that deal but I was very upset with that deal. The Greinke deal I was a little against but only really cared about Odorizzi and Cain which I felt were good but not elite prospects. In general I dont like trading prospects for players with 2 or less years of control but at least Greinke has ace stuff and we didnt give up a talent as good as Lawrie.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting
I was more upset that Cain was gone because I felt like he was going to solve the CF problem. Meanwhile, I think a lot of people feel like Lawrie is going to end up as a DH.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
so i guess you disagree...
…with dougie being named Baseball America’s executive of the year
(apologies if redundant, i didn’t see it posted elsewhere.)
There are about 1000 replies to this that I’m not going to read, but i would just like to point out that Brett Lawrie has a misquoted Eminem lyric tattooed on his arm. Marcum does not have a misquoted Eminem lyric tattooed on his arm. Ergo, Brewers won the trade.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Annnnd there's a REC for you sir
I have no concept.
by menchkins on Dec 6, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Greinke and Marcum
I think the organization needs to decide the long term futures of Greinke and Marcum. We either need to sign one or both long term or trade them now instead of getting draft picks after next season.
I would consider a Greinke deal like the one Weaver signed with the Angels. As for Marcum I would absolutely trade him now because i want no part of him on a long term contract. This organization cant afford to ride it out and let them leave for draft picks or we will be in big trouble following next season.
I think the future of Greinke and Marcum is free agency and playing elsewhere
The window is closing.
Wait, why can't the organization let them leave for draft picks?
We’re not getting comparable major league starters back who are under control past 2012, why would that happen?
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
I really just want the Prince free agency to be over
The suspense is killing me. I thought I had resigned myself to losing him but apparently not.
by Rabbit915 on Dec 6, 2011 12:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Don't get your hopes up too high
Because there’s very little chance he signs with the Brewers.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Keppinger
I dont think his defense is good enough at short but if it is I would take him over paying too much for Rollins.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty sure his defense sucks but I'm too lazy to look it up.
He’s a decent hitter so he’s gotta be better than Betancourt at least.
I have no concept.
He's pretty bad defensively...
He didn’t play SS at all last season, but in the previous four seasons he played SS part-time. His UZR/150 over that time is -12.1
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Right
I wasn’t disagreeing with you… more like clarifying just how bad his defense really is.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Better-than-Yuni
But, NO.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
As a replacement for Betancourt, he's probably not a good fit.
As a replacement for Hairston, he might be worth considering.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 6, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I saw him play several games for SF
His defense is barely adequate (and that is generous).
The Giants have as much trouble at SS as Milwaukee does and they wouldn’t even consider him at SS.
The Deputy.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
"The Marlins think they have Pujols in the bag"
Albert to Miami, Prince to Toronto, and I almost wouldn’t care what the Brewers did.
fka "warwick5s"
Being honest
I’d rather the Cardinals saddle themselves with paying a huge amount for Pujols
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
by MrLeam on Dec 6, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to see them go to something like $240M for 10 years.
So they’re still paying him when he’s over 40.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
They could sign him to a six year deal
and still be paying him when he’s over 40. Allegedly.
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
there are some rumors that that is what Miami is offering Pujols: 240 over 10
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't
Because it’d make them happy for 4-5 of those 10 years. I want them miserable for all 10.
(Verb) you cardinals.
by Taterwithbacon on Dec 6, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
And see how fast they turn on their beloved hero
Some of them already are, actually. Turning to the greed talk….
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 6, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to think nobody knows a damn thing about Prince's intentions or who he's negotiated with so far this offseason.
It just seems to me like all the experts are guessing right now.
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From Jayson Stark
On Twitter:
As closer openings vanish, lots of buzz at meetings that Ryan Madson could accept arb w/ #Phillies & KRod might have to do same w/ #Brewers
So, uh, guys, what exactly happens to the Brewers if K-Rod accepts arbitration? I mean, they’d be almost automatically stuck with a infield of Gamel-Weeks-Pan of Lasagna-Green/McGehee, right?
They should be able to trade him
Might have to eat a portion of the salary if they do.
Right now, it just seems like leverage out of their agent’s camps, aka “we can always accept arb if you don’t up your offer…”
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 6, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Red Sox still need a closer and there is talk of Bard wanting to start
I think either Madson or K-Rod might end up there. But there is not many teams that will pay big money looking for a closer. (I know what the Red payed Cordero but I don’t think they would do that again)
If K-Rod accepts arbritration then the Brewers are looking at around a $12million contract which even if they then cut him I think he is due 30 days of the contract so that would be about $2million wasted
And isn't Cordero a FA?
If that’s the case, and if the Reds aren’t able to sign him, maybe they’ll go after K-Rod?
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Dec 6, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing Mark A. just takes a hit and expands payroll.
Melvin and him have to have had that conversation before offering it.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed there
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
Also, we cry into our beers.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I have the Steve Carell NO...NO...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GIF ready to go for quick deployment
I figure it’ll be necessary at least once this offseason.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
He won't
If he does I’ll eat my shoe, but he’s too self-centered to come back here where he won’t close.
(Verb) you cardinals.
by Taterwithbacon on Dec 6, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be so sure
Here’s what Tom H. has to say:
Here’s what I think is going on with the Brewers. I think they are trying to sign free-agent shortstop Jimmy Rollins, and if they do so, they wouldn’t also be able to afford Ramirez. They would give Casey McGehee a chance to re-establish himself at third base, with prospect Taylor Green as a backup.
But, if Rollins chooses to return to Philadelphia, the Brewers could go with a lesser shortstop — and less expensive — such as Yuniesky Betancourt, and spend their money at third base on Ramirez. In essence, they would be hedging their bets at both positions.
And, as much of a curmudgeon as he is, and as much as I want to just say he’s wrong, he’s got sources. And he’s usually pretty close on this stuff (minus Yost in 2008).
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
If K-Rod accepts arbitration...
Both sides submit a dollar amount. If they cannot come to an agreement, then they go before a arbitration panel who picks one of the dollar amounts.
K-Rod would then have a 1-year non-guaranteed deal for that amount. The Brewers could release him in ST and only be on the hook for 30/45 days of pay (depending on when the release him in respects to Opening Day).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
There's also a chance that they trade him instead of just simply releasing him
But the point is that even if he accepts arbitration, the Brewers are by no means stuck paying for him next season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
K Rod
i still dont see him accepting arbitration as Boras is too stubborn to accept a one year deal.
From Yuni's agent
“They [the Brewers] still would like him back,” said Torres. “We’re discussing it. There are other clubs we are talking to.”
Man, the idea of Yuni sifting through offers from a variety of teams competing for his services just cracks me up. That’s some high-quality agent BS right there.
Never in the field of human conflict has so much hope been owed to so few "other clubs"
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I can confirm the other clubs that Betancourt has offers from:
St Joseph’s elementary’s B softball team (currently need some depth on the bench)
Libation nightclub in New York (looking to recruit as the cloakroom attendant just quit)
Club Penguin (looking to install Yuni as a draft excluder in their office)
Jacob’s Club biscuits (need a taster who can get through 100s of their biscuits at a sitting)
Fight Club Two producers (interested in casting Yuni as a baseball player who appears to be good at his craft but, in a bizzare twist, its all just because the people he’s been playing against are all actually just other versions of himself and hence equally poor)
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
by MrLeam on Dec 6, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Those were 3 of the funniest posts I've ever seen right in a row.
Recs all around!
I have no concept.
Beat me to it:
Though I would have added “Daughters of the American Revolution”.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 6, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like Yuni is also willing to move to 2B.
So there’s probably a couple teams interested.
I bet his agent has a clip of that double-play on his phone that he replays when meeting with GMs.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
TH's tweets are making me incredibly nervous...
#Brewers still consider Yuniesky Betancourt their fall-back position at shortstop if nothing happens with Rollins.
As closer openings vanish, lots of buzz at meetings that Ryan Madson could accept arb w/ #Phillies & KRod might have to do same w/ #Brewers
Rollins is interesting because one of the Brewers main rivals for signing Ramirez is the Phillies
And even with the Phillies spending as much as they are I have a hard time believing that they would sign both. I hope that the Brewers end up with Rollins since I think he would be the better playing over the next 3 years and also it means that we can forget about Yuni coming back.
by Saltire on Dec 6, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ramirez is reportedly PHI's fallback if Rollins signs elsewhere.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ramirez/Galvis = Polanco/Rollins?
Unless they think they can get a better SS by trading Polanco.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Why are they so high on Rollins?
Why wouldn’t Furcal be your fallback plan?
Betancourt, seriously?
FFS
I have no concept.
I think Rollins is better than Furcal
Furcal is older and has had more injury issues.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yuni
please play anywhere other than Milwaukee next season.
Maybe
We can pass the hat to help another team sign him, like a reverse Prince plan.
REWIND YOURSELF!
Opinions of Melvin
will any of you that think Melvin is a good GM change their mind if he brings Yuni back?
Yes-and-no
If he ends up with Yuni and McGehee and spends on a reliever instead or something, then definitely yes.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I definitely will not.
Sometimes you just can’t get the other guy. It’s clearly not like Yuni is his first choice or he’d be back already.
(Verb) you cardinals.
by Taterwithbacon on Dec 6, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
Although I only swung my vote around to positive support after the Greinke and Marcum trades.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
It depends on the term of the contract and the amount of money
I don’t think Barmes is worth the contract he got from Houston, and the Brewers could not afford Reyes. If Rollins re-signs with the Phillies, it’ll be because they were outbid.
DM has inquired about every quality FA SS this off-season…. it’s not like he isn’t trying.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Dec 6, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Depends upon where the money is going otherwise
If he pulls a rabbit out of his hat and ends up with Fielder at 1B, then Yuni is a necessary evil. If he doesn’t get 5 WAR from somewhere, then no.
Yuni apparently has interest and is willing to play 2B...
http://brewersbeat.mlblogs.com/2011/12/06/yuni-drawing-interest-at-second-base-too/
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Yuni
has one position and one position only that is acceptable and that is left out.
Really hoping Pujols signs w/ Miami and Prince signs w/ Washington or Toronto
Seems sort of possible.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
That is the best case scenario
besides getting Prince back cheap. I actually wouldnt mind if the Cardinals gave Pujols a 10 yr deal because his numbers have been slipping the last few seasons.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 6, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I get what you're saying and agree to a degree
It’d be nice to see St. Louis burdened with the contract, and they would be after a few years. But it’d be better just to not see him very much at all. I say, let him go to Florida and let’s enjoy the inevitable meltdown that’ll happen if they have so many overpriced egomaniacs in the same place.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 6, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Darn
Washington (16th) and Toronto (17th) are the best picks we could get, and Toronto has the added bonus of taking Prince out of the NL.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but it's the Winter Meetings. Then Toronto signs him tomorrow for $200 million.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
There's still Seattle...
… and I’ve always kind of liked the Mariners anyway.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 6, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm kinda sad to see Hairston go.
He would have been a really useful person to have on the team.
My goodness.
It's kind of funny to see the conventional wisdom among reporters at the meetings swing back and forth on Twitter
A couple of hours ago, everyone was talking about how close the Marlins were to signing Pujols, how they could really see this happening.
Now, they’re all talking about how much more money Miami would have to offer than the Cardinals to draw Pujols.
Look, Mr. Journalist Guys, Pujols is going to stay with the Cardinals. Period. Most all of us have known this since approximately April. Get a hold of yourselves.
Then why didn't they get a deal done months ago?
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Because Pujols's agent wanted a situation like this
Where he got a 2nd team into the bidding so the Cards have to up their original offer.
Exactly
Today’s drama may net Pujols an additional $20 million from the Cardinals. That’s money for nothing.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Right, and suddenly there is a very real bidding war
If St. Louis were willing to spend whatever it took they would have gotten a deal done a long time ago.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think they were planning on the Miami Marlins making a 10-year, $200m+ offer.
Or anyone else, for that matter.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
It's Pujols, they didn't foresee anyone going to $200 million?
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Probably not with 10 years to go with it
Length, IIRC, was the primary sticking point between Pujols and the Cards, and 10 years, $200m+ was probably the only kind of offer that could have overcome the Cardinals’ built-in advantages.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I feel like this is accurate
I mean there was talk of a $30M AAV. Remember when Kenny Williams said a team would be stupid to pay one guy that much?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Why bid against yourself?
There’s no indication that Pujols had a set number that he would have signed for.
Get a ife broseph
It’s definitely going to cost more now (assuming Miami is serious) than if they had just gone to whatever Pujols wanted a year ago. That’s why teams like to extend players early, before they find themselves in an actual bidding war with the risk of actually losing the player.
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't how you would know that
From what I’ve heard, Pujols wanted something like $300m. Cardinals thought it was a better position to negotiate against another team instead of a $300m figure.
Get a ife broseph
Either way, if the Cardinals were truly willing to do whatever it took to lock in Pujols, the two sides would have come to a reasonable middle ground. St. Louis has a limit. The only question is whether Miami is willing to go past that limit.
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure STL has a limit
I’ve always thought their strategy was “give us your best offer, and we’ll beat it., we’re not negotiating against a $300m figure that no team will pay you.”
Get a ife broseph
@jimbowdenespnxm
Mariners are now front-runners on Fielder with Milw,Cubs & Tor all wanting shorter term deals….stay tuned
I approve of this. If we can't have him, send him to the AL.
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by The Dayman on Dec 6, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd love Mariners or Blue Jays...
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
I guess third 2nd round pick isn’t horrible…
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if the Nationals are still interested
But otherwise the Mariners are the only team that have been linked to him who don’t have a good excuse for not bidding for him
Didn't the Nationals supposedly declare themselves out on Fielder yesterday?
Thought I read that somewhere.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Winter Meetings
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
They might well of
But I have yet to hear of any team actually making an offer apart from the Brewers
Right, but that was a while ago.
I was thinking you meant during this off-season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I believe the Jack Z have said that he doesn't have the money to sign Fielder...
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Dec 6, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
If Prince signs with Seattle, you better believe I'm getting a teal player shirt.
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If we really want him why not offer him a contract that pays him 15 million for 10 years 2 or 3 million per year for 25 years after that?
I have no concept.
I don't think any player is going to sign that kind of a deal
25 years is a long time. I’m guessing he’d be able to get that same total amount ($225M) on a 10 year deal (or close to it).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
@El_kid_rod57
Via al puerto
Oh crap, that means “I’m accepting arbitration” in Spanish…
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I don't think so
I know puerto = port
Possibly referring to airport, maybe to get to Dallas?
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Dec 6, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Google Translate says this is the word for "arbitration":
arbitraje
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
The Winter Meetings buzz confuses me on a daily basis
One report said that the Nats were in the lead for Fielder, then another report said that they’re not going after him.
One report said that the Jays were going after Fielder, and then AA says that Fielder must bring the years down first.
Jack Z said that the Mariners did not have enough money to sign Fielder, and all of a sudden they’re in the lead for Fielder.
Go ahead, make my day.
The Winter Meetings might be my favorite time of year.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 6, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's very exciting for me
But I don’t know which rumors to trust, if I can trust any at all.
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Dec 6, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
That's why it's fun. Nobody knows what is going to happen until it happens. :)
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
That’s my response when people complain about how unreliable Twitter is at times like these (like the trade deadline).
Of course half the stuff reported on Twitter is wrong. That’s what makes it so awesome. It’ll all sort itself out in the end – just enjoy the ride.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Same
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
That's why you should take them with a grain of salt
Most of the the journalists don’t know anything, so they just take a small quote and run with it.
DM isn’t the only GM who isn’t always truthful to the media.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Just saw a fangraphs piece on Jed Lowrie
I had forgotten about him. How about Marcum for Lowrie?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
Marcum seems like too much
I hope Doug is seeing what it would take though.
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Not so sure about that, though
Marcum only has one year of control vs. 3 years for Lowrie. Perhaps a lesser prospect as well if it doesn’t match up.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Lowrie hasn't had 400+ PA in a season (total) since '08 though
Wolf for Lowrie seems more fair, but I don’t think Doug is going to trade any SP.
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
I agree it seems more fair
but I don’t think Cherington would see it that way.
But at the end of the day I think you’re right: I don’t see Doug trading a pitcher.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
It'd be nice to get a SS who can get on base better than the .303 Lowrie put up last year too
I have no concept.
At his age why would you just start looking at an injury limited season to assume that's his true-talent?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Plus, he has only been in the majors for three seasons and last season he had the most playing time (341 PAs).
His MLB career stats line is .252/.324/.408, which is possibly closer to his true talent level… particularly if you look at this Triple-A stats (.273/.355/.465).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
MLB Trade Rumors: "Brewers a Favorite For Aramis Ramirez:
The Brewers haven’t made Ramirez an official offer yet, but the third baseman is definitely interested in Milwaukee, says Kinzer: “He likes that team. He wants to go to a team that has pitching and gives him a chance to win a ring. He thinks the Brewers can do that.”
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by The Dayman on Dec 6, 2011 3:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Tom's take:
Here’s what I think is going on with the Brewers. I think they are trying to sign free-agent shortstop Jimmy Rollins, and if they do so, they wouldn’t also be able to afford Ramirez. They would give Casey McGehee a chance to re-establish himself at third base, with prospect Taylor Green as a backup.
But, if Rollins chooses to return to Philadelphia, the Brewers could go with a lesser shortstop — and less expensive — such as Yuniesky Betancourt, and spend their money at third base on Ramirez. In essence, they would be hedging their bets at both positions.
From the same post as above.
So which would we prefer: Rollins & McGeehee or Ramirez & Yuni?
by The Left Button on Dec 6, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
what about Aramis Ramirez and Alex Gonzalez?
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
they wouldn't able to afford someone like Cedano or Gonzalez to pair with Rameriz?
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Cedeno at least, but I think Melvin would probably just go with Yuni over Cedeno
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
boo
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I think Melvin is more comfortable with Yuni
And you’re talking about minor difference between those guys, most likely.
Get a ife broseph
Actually, think RRR and the clubhouse/team being comfortable with Yuni might be the deciding factor
Who knows, said before I don’t think Yuni is an option and would still be very surprised if he’s brought back. Signing A-Ram might change things some.
Get a ife broseph
my preference as well
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Green is an option regardless who is signed because he's cheap
I think the point of those two options is which FA would you rather have (Rollins or Ramirez) knowing full well that when one of those is signed, you have either McGehee or Yuni to put up with.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I don't see it like that.
I think that if they sign Rollins that does not mean that they need to keep McGehee if a better way of spending $3million comes along.
If they sign Ramirez it does not have to Yuni that comes back. Indeed I would argue that it would make it more likely to sign a defensive orientated SS since they are more certain of the production that they are going to get from 3B
by Saltire on Dec 6, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer Rollins & McGehee/Green but I would consider either a success (yes, even with Yuni back)
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Shit I reposted this above
sorry
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Aram and Yuni
Pretty much without a doubt I see that as better. Although both are on the table if we trust in melvin. Plus I think he could get Gonzalez anyways along with Aram.
(Verb) you cardinals.
by Taterwithbacon on Dec 6, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Rollins and McGehee
If McGehee doesn’t hit again, then we have Green to fall back on. If Yuni sucks again or is even worse, we have no one to fall back on.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Dec 6, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Corrected
If McGehee doesn’t hit again, then we have Green to fall back on.IfWhen Yuni sucks again or is even worse, we have no one to fall back on.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Aramis should like our pitching!
At least he likes it now because it’s good.
ARam 2011 vs. Brewer pitching;
.197/.219/.377/.596
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Dec 6, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
this is interesting
Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes reports that Hanley Ramirez does not want to play third base and wants to be traded if he can’t play shortstop.
The Marlins seem to be under the assumption that Ramirez will be a good soldier and move to the hot corner, but it might not be that simple. President of baseball operations Larry Beinfest has given no indication that he’s planning to deal the shortstop, but it sounds like Hanley might force his way out. Stay tuned.
who didn’t see that happening?
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions
Interesting
Obviously, we can’t believe anything coming from Marlins brass about him being fine with the move. If they plan on trading the guy they can’t let other teams know that they have to trade him or they lose all leverage.
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe they'd sign Reyes without having some sort of understanding with Ramirez...
by The Left Button on Dec 6, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
unless they were planning on moving Ramirez this winter because of the Reyes signing
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think they're kinda done with him anyways
(Verb) you cardinals.
by Taterwithbacon on Dec 6, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
most likely
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Probably, but is he a clear upgrade over Gamel?
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
More certain of the production that he will give
But I think that Gamel probably has the higher upside
maybe short term, but not enough to give up anything for him
I’d rather see what Gamel can do in a full season with consistent ABs
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 6, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
No
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Red Sox apparently won the Nakajima auction
Marco Scutaro, Dustin Pedroia, Jed Lowrie, Hiroyuki Nakajima, Jose Iglesias
Are they gearing up to trade somebody?
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I would think so
I can’t imagine they’d keep both Scutaro and Lowrie once they signed Nakajima. I think Iglesias has minor league options, so I don’t think they’d trade him… particularly since he’s only 21.
I’d guess that they’d part with Lowrie since he’s arbitration eligible for the first time this season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Correction: another false alarm
Who the hell bid on this guy?
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
"So I lied. Deal with it."
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
(If the winter meetings were at Miller Park - -)" Jimi Rollings should be a Brewerz! C'mon Duog! "
cont’d -
Yuo nener get thhe playerz we neeed, and thisis a hard-wrking, blue-coller place, Dougie Meehhvin.
And Marc Addanazio; get yur act togethr! This izzn’t wahl streat! Izzzz the Brew Croo! Siggn ALbert Pujoles wih that money you stolll frum hard-wrking peeplez!
An’ don’t forgt Jimi Rolesings, Dougie Meehhvin!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
Maybe I should drink alcohol, and then type out a fake rant and see if it looks better than that.
I can’t really tolerate it, though.
A lot of times when I’ve been to games, there is always someone who talks like that.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Dec 6, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Adam McCalvy:
Doug Melvin said he’s had no meetings today with agents or rival GMs. Other than that, fun day at the Winter Meetings.
“See, they were having this Harry Potter marathon on the TV in my hotel room, and I kinda lost track of time. Whoops, better get back upstairs before Goblet of Fire starts.”
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 6, 2011 6:16 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
He's not calling the Tigers about their SS vacancy
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Building a paper mache shortstop.
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Watching the Twilight DVDs with Gord, a gallon of ice cream.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 6, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
letting journalists do all the work for him
Every man must believe in something, I believe I'll have another drink.
He's waiting for Lozano to get his arse out of the big negotiations w/ Marlins/Cards/Mystery-Arse-Team!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Dec 6, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Or he could be waiting for Lozano to show up with prostitutes and cocaine?
Too soon?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 6, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
No.
Maybe too late, though. Dotel already has them on a blacklist for trashing the suite they’d rented last year!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Dec 6, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
DM seems more like a Pirates of the Caribbean fan
as well as a Michael Bolton fan.
See The Lonely Island
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Winter Meetings, yay!
@BNightengale #STLCARDS Pujols now has three teams that are offering 10-year contracts in excess of $200 million: STL, MIAMI, AND unidentified team
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Has to be the Nationals, right?
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Or Cubs??
That would be awesome. I can’t help but think that would hurt both of our division rivals.
Article said it wasn’t the Cubs, and the Angels already have Trumbo/Morales so I don’t even know if they are looking for a 1B.
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by SRB on Dec 6, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Brewers!
Attanasio told DM money is no object and the sky’s the limit.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I think I'd rather have Prince, if that actually happened.
Pujols in a Brewers uniform would cause all sorts of vomiting.
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I won't lie, it would be kinda awesome to have Pujols when playing against STL
How much that would anger everyone associated with that team would give me some serious schaudenfreude.
But, I don’t want that albatross of a contract anywhere near the Brewers.
We could sort of hide the albatross thing for awhile...
His numbers would be pretty good, but it would start to look suspect once his at bats start to dip below 450.
I’d be more afraid of the fact that a robot is on our team. What would we feed him?
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Dec 7, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
The Book Club thread, previously cancelled, has been hijacked to discuss Winter Meetings drama.
It’s less sticky than this thread is.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 6, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions
This mlb article is rather telling;
Attanasio owns the final say on free-agent expenditures.
“My wife can spend my money, but I can’t spend his without checking,” Melvin joked.
Do we need to get counseling for Mark and Doug? Clearly, Mark does not trust Doug enough. What’s a couple of million here or there?
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Dec 7, 2011 12:51 AM CST reply actions
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