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by Kyle Lobner on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM CST
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Some things to read while Ozzie Guillen discusses the Brewer offseason.
There are 72 days remaining until pitchers and catchers report to Maryvale, but it's hard to believe any of those days will be as disappointing as Wednesday. The Brewer offseason budget took a serious hit yesterday when Francisco Rodriguez decided to accept the Brewers' arbitration offer (FanShot). Rodriguez earned $13.5 million in 2011, and will likely get a similar amount in 2012. Doug Melvin says the decision to offer arbitration was not a miscalculation. This quote from Tom Haudricourt sums the situation up nicely:
I don't want to hear closing is important to K-Rod. He went for the money. Shocker.
It's worth noting that the Brewers are not technically required to pay Rodriguez the full value of whatever he'll get in arbitration. Arbitration deals are non-guaranteed, so if the Brewers cut Rodriguez before a certain point this spring they'll only owe him 30 days' severance pay, which is roughly 1/6th the value of the deal. Unless they can find someone who wants to trade for him, this seems like their best move.
With that said, the Brewers have already paid K-Rod $4 million to go away at one point this offseason. It's possible the Brewers rejected his ridiculously overpriced $17.5 million club option for 2012, and in the long run will actually end up paying him more than if they'd just accepted it.
Here's more reaction from around the web:
- Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar has a look at the team's options.
- In-Between Hops thinks the Brewers should consider trading John Axford instead of Rodriguez.
- Howie Magner wonders if the Brewers can sell K-Rod stock.
If Rodriguez gets more than $13.5 million in 2012, he'll be the highest paid Brewer. This week's Thursday Thinker wants to know how many of the highest paid Brewers from 1985-2010 you can name.
Meanwhile, the repercussions of this decision are already being felt elsewhere. The Brewers are now much less likely to work out new deals with Aramis Ramirez or Jimmy Rollins (who had already canceled a meeting with them anyway), and will likely not have the resources to bring back Takashi Saito as previously reported. LaTroy Hawkins has also already moved on, taking a one year, $3m deal with the Angels (FanShot).
And of course, as you might expect, having to pay K-Rod makes it even harder for the Brewers to potentially pay Prince Fielder. The Brewers are once again talking about moving on.
It'll be interesting to see what the Brewers do with Rickie Weeks and Corey Hart in 2011, now that they'll likely have to shuffle the lineup to adjust for the loss of Prince Fielder and their inability to acquire a new #4 hitter. Walk Like A Sabermetrician notes that Weeks and Hart combined to score the second most runs of any leadoff spot in baseball last season.
In the minors:
- The Rule 5 draft was this morning and, while they didn't draft a player, the Brewers did lose one. The Mariners selected LHP Lucas Luetge with the #3 overall pick (FanShot). Luetge made 46 appearances (one start) for Huntsville in 2011 and posted a 3.13 ERA with nine strikeouts and three walks per nine innings. He was a 21st round pick in 2008.
- The Brewers did make a selection in the AAA phase of the draft, grabbing shortstop Domnit Bolivar from the Cardinals organization. Bolivar is 22 and hit .276/.340/.427 in 104 games between low and high A in 2011. Full results of the draft can be seen here.
- Santo Manzanillo got some rare good news yesterday: He won't need surgery to repair damage done to his shoulder in last week's car accident.
- Five Brewers were in action last night and four of them had hits in games across the Caribbean. Martin Maldonado had the big shot: a two run homer in Mayaguez's 9-2 win over Carolina in Puerto Rico. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
- The one Brewer held hitless was Erick Almonte, but he's still ranked tenth among Dominican league hitters in Carson Cistulli's SCOUT stat.
- Congratulations to Wisconsin trainer Jeff Paxson, who yesterday was named Minor League Trainer of the Year.
- Speaking of the Timber Rattlers, they have another "Spot the Difference" challenge up. This time I was able to get three of the five, which might be the best news I've gotten today.
- Huntsville pitcher Kyle Heckathorn is now on Twitter. I've added him to the list.
With all the other excitement going on, we were a little distracted during last night's meeting of the BCB Book Club. There's still time to stop by and discuss chapters 4-6 of The Extra 2% if you haven't already, or to finish reading Chapters 7-9 before we meet again on Tuesday.
This morning's Mug is #982 in BCB history. If you haven't yet, cancel your other engagements and make plans to join us on Tuesday, January 3 for The Night Of 1000 Mugs.
Around baseball:
Angels: Have reportedly signed Albert Pujols to a ten year, $250 million deal (FanShot).
Astros: Hired former Cardinals executive Jeff Luhnow as their new general manager.
Athletics: Outfielder Josh Willingham has declined arbitration.
Blue Jays: Second baseman Kelly Johnson has accepted arbitration.
Cardinals: Pitcher Edwin Jackson rejected arbitration.
Cubs: Third baseman Aramis Ramirez rejected arbitration.
Marlins: Signed pitcher Mark Buehrle to a four year, $58 million deal.
Orioles: Acquired pitcher Dana Eveland from the Dodgers (terms unknown) and named DeMarlo Hale and Bill Castro their new third base and bullpen coaches.
Padres: Acquired closer Huston Street from the Rockies for a PTBNL and cash and designated outfielder Jeremy Hermida for assignment.
Phillies: Shortstop Jimmy Rollins, outfielder Raul Ibanez and closer Ryan Madson have rejected arbitration.
Pirates: Signed pitcher Erik Bedard (1 year, $4.5 million), designated catcher Jason Jaramillo and infielder Pedro Ciriaco for assignment, released pitcher Ross Ohlendorf and announced that first baseman Derrek Lee has rejected arbitration.
Red Sox: Reliever Dan Wheeler declined the team's offer of arbitration.
Tigers: Signed reliever Octavio Dotel.
The Tigers are Dotel's 13th team, setting a new major league record. He's also never played for the same team twice.
Meanwhile, I don't usually feel bad for major league baseball players but this quote made me feel bad for Huston Street:
"Huston says he had a bunch of friends on the Padres...then upon listing them realized most of them are no longer on the team."
Given the day they had yesterday, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy who fell into a reflecting pool at the Winter Meetings is a Brewer employee.
Today in former Brewers: Francisco Cordero is an honorable mention on Red Reporter's list of the top 100 Reds of all time, and listed as the 13th best reliever in franchise history.
This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History remembers the day the Brewers acquired Marquis Grissom and Jeff Juden from the Indians for three pitchers. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the 31st anniversary of the Brewers selecting Tom Candiotti from the Royals in the 1980 Rule 5 draft.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm severing the connection.
Drink up.
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fuck Francisco Rodriguez and fuck Scott Boras
okay, now that that’s out of my system, holy shit Anaheim.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Frankie's deal is one year
I don’t see why that should be such an impediment when discussing multi-year deals with other players. At most it’s a spike on the salary costs for a year.
Sure it eats into resources but not on a long-term basis.
by Big10freak on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
If Mark A. is fine with spending $105 million in 2012, then you're right.
But I don’t think he’s going to see it that way.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
The Brewers window is RIGHT NOW
Clearly Melvin understands that fact given the trade activity in prior years. Now is not the time to go cheap.
As Margarat Thatcher told then President Bush as he wavered for a moment on the first Gulf War, “Don’t get wobbly on me Mark”
by Big10freak on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You have a core of guys at their performance peak
The Brewers should leverage that
I don't think you're using 'leverage' correctly in that sentence.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Go to work
tell your boss “hear me out. We’re going to lose 10s of millions of dollars if we do this one thing, but it will bring our company goodwill and PR, even if we can’t compete with others going forward. Do you like goodwill and PR enough to do it?”
What do you think he’ll say? Also, crippling your team a la Miami and now Anaheim is a terrible business model in baseball.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Is that question for me? Because I am my boss. And while 10 million is real money
it should not cripple an organization like the Brewers long term. I don’t see how it could. It’s a one time expense.
by Big10freak on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm happy you're the boss, and you'd make that decision
Most wouldn’t.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Unexpected outcomes happen
If you don’t think about it and have some level of variance planned into a budget then you are not managing risk.
by Big10freak on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Look, I understand business
I understand managing risk. I understand financial and cost accounting. I understand budgets, P&L, cash flow, the whole nine.
I’m glad you seem to have an extraordinarily successful business that you run really, really well, and you can budget in 10s of millions into your ‘unexpected costs’ category. But that’s not typical.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
This is going in the wrong direction. Just saying that one horse throwing a shoe
should not cripple the plan. The end. That is all.
Not quite
since a sports franchise is completely different from a corporation.
But I don’t think we need to talk about this anymore either.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Random question of the day
Just a what if question here.
What would the Brewers payroll look like if they had a TV deal closer to the average of TV deals? I know that information isn’t readily available, but I know the Brewers’ TV deal is one of the lowest in the league.
Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector
I was under the impression that the TV deal was up for renewal soon
I could be wrong about that but I have a feeling that it was discussed on this site some time ago.
That's a question without an answer
I believe this year their new contract starts, which, if I remember correctly, increases from $10M to $30M. So, that’s $20M extra to spend on players, right?
Well, maybe some of it. How much goes to staff salaries, renovations/repairs, new construction at the park, Mark A.’s pocket, covering the cost of inflation, not raising ticket prices, etc.
So, you see, no one can say exactly how that extra $20M will impact anything.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
We will also lose some of the Revenue Sharing money if we bring in more money on our own.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Great point I hadn't thought of
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Not upset about Frankie.
It’s not like giving Gagne $10MM, and that was voluntary. I still think of it as averaging out with Axford’s low salary as an affordable back-end of the rotation, and K-Rod is certainly tradeable. I said this on Twitter earlier: worst case scenario is we have two all-star closers the end of the game. I’m not convinced this will cost them the opportunity to build a playoff team for 2012.
by mpbMKE on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
They can't add any payroll if they keep Rodriguez
If they stay consistent with what they’ve done in the past. So, Betancourt, McGehee, Weeks, Gamel, Braun, Morgan, Hart, LuCroy, the starting 5. Then bullpen is Ax, K-Rod, Loe, Estrada, Braddock, Kintzler, McClendon (they probably non-tender Parra now for the extra money and fill in with one of these min-salary guys). Possibly De la Cruz if they want 13 pitchers. The bench will be Gomez, and probably 3 other minor league guys. Farris?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
They may not even be able to afford Betancourt now
Which wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Oh right
and then you have Edwin Maysonnet playing SS.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm hoping for both
Punto as bench UTIL and GOnzalez as starter. Or Furcal as starter.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
It's not as bad as the worst move Doug Melvin has ever made
that’s not a particularly convince argument for me.
I think we all need a break from the anger at K-Ras today.
It would be really nice if someone posted a comic on BCB today…
(Anyone think that nickname could stick? Yeah, you’re all probably right, it’s a terrible attempt at saving time.)
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The Mets picked up 3.5 of K-Rod's option. The Brewers have only paid the extra 500k that they negotiated in exchange for removing the vesting option.
by tcyoung on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
stay away with your "facts!"
Ugh, Shortstop
The Mets sent $3.5 million in cash.
How the Brewers spent it was (most likely) up to them.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
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5:05PM: Rodriguez’s buyout will now increase from $3.5MM to $4MM with the Mets paying the original buyout and the Brewers paying the remainder, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. K-Rod’s vesting option now kicks in with the same 55 games finished, though the clause is now meaningless (via Twitter).
I don’t know. I interpret that to mean that we’re not responsible for 3.5M of that buyout. Regardless of the semantics, we only paid him 500k to go away.
That's how I interpreted too
Not sure if that involved the Mets sending cash to the Brewers or paying K-Rod directly once the Brewers declined the option.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
A trade with Boston remains the optimal offseason solution in my opinion.
by KittenMittons on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think a trade with anyone would be great
to be optimal would depend on who we get back in return and how much we would have to pickup on K-Rod’s salary.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
So I come back in a day at work and find everything that the Marlins done
has been topped by the Angels. They are definately a contender for the next few years with the Rangers in the AL West. If Fielder ends up with the Mariners even ESPN might have to show some west coast games once in a while.
Regarding K-Rod he has just cost the Brewers around $2million dollars not exactly great news but not something to get too worked up about.
On the upside there is no chance that Doug overpays for Dotel and the Brewers task of winning the NL for the next few years has just got a whole lot easier with Pujols plying his trade elsewhere.
It would be nice to come in one day to find that the Brewers have signed SS who is not Yuni just so that I know the team is trying to improve and not just stand pat with the same squad as last year
It is a good thing for baseball when two unexpected teams (Angels, Marlins) take some attention away from the usual attention hog Yankees, Phillies and Red Sox.
It would be nice to see something happen for the Brewers at SS. Hopefully we will, we still have a little bit of time. Most of Doug’s best moves have come with little to no warning, so hopefully this will be a similar circumstance.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
a 5 year deal for Rollins sounds TOTALLY reasonable to me
if that’s what it takes to get a real MLB short stop. Sounds like we’re out of the JRoll runnings now though…
St. Louis has to be a little annoyed
In hoping that Pujols would settle for less in pursuing a “quality destination” over quantity of dollars, it’s being reported that he actually did: The marlins offered him $275/10.
Heard an interview with Bernie Miklasz last night on the way home
he’s a douche. Said that St. Louis is a smart baseball town. Also said that most fans didn’t want to sign Pujols to a 10 year deal.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
No, this was before Pujols signed with Anaheim
When everyone was sure he’d go back to STL
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's a casual / hardcore fan thing, really
The casual fan will look at Pujols departure as a bad thing and they’ll immediately dislike the guy for ditching after a crazy good offer was made by his beloved home team. The hardcore fan (I was going to say real fan but that’s not really respectful of casual fans who could well be real fans—I don’t think hardcore fan is the best descriptive but it’s the best I can think of right now) will recognize that while it would have been great to have Pujols, the contract is effin absurd and he would cripple the team longterm even if he helped them short term.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 8, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
That is way too much over the life of the deal
Not unreasonable for the next handful of years, though.
Melvin
If he working in the corporate world, KRod accepting arbitration would have sealed Doug’s termination.
$10 million, mistake or not, is not easily swept under the rug.
Maybe that's the corporate world's fault.
I’m having a hard time burying Melvin for doing what I wrote he should do.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 8, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I got your back, homey.
I’ll bury him for both of us.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Dec 8, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed
3 free agents accepted arbitration this year in all of MLB and I don’t think anyone is truly surprised that Ortiz is trying to stay in Boston – I’m a little surprised the Red Sox even offered unless they were intending to extend/re-sign him anyway.
I threw a fit when he didn’t offer Cameron arbitration, but I didn’t blink an eye at KRod. What kind of shape would the Brewers be in if Fielder had accepted, too? Wow. $35 million on books?
Well its a risk
That did not pay off, and a very expensive one.
Someone should have to pay for it.
I dont blame Melvin for the CBA rules changing regarding the draft compensation involved here, but he could have easily not offered and have a lot more flexibility.
Melvins quote yesterday about KRod potentially accepting being “something he should start to think about” is a good sign that the possibility was overlooked completely, and thats where, in the real world, DM would be examining what his severance should/will be.
I suppose it's body of work
It’s not like this was a repeated behavior. If he’d had this happen once before, then he deserves whatever he gets. A single mistake, if big enough, can be enough to fire someone, but there isn’t really anyone else to take over at this point so he sticks around.
Maybe the punishment is a shorter extension when the time comes.
Obviously we arent dealing with real business world thinking here
But if it were, he would be gone, despite his track record. A multi million dollar error is a multi million dollar error. good workers lose their jobs all the time for monumental mistakes. The only way it could be justified in keeping him employed were if he provided more in value to the team that what was lost.
There's a difference
This wasn’t an error.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Its a potential
$13.5 million out the door that you hadnt planned on spending.
In the business or public sector, someone somewhere would be paying for this type of thing with their job.
Not necessarily
Whatever happened to judging things on the process rather than the outcome?
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
I don't think that's always the case
If they do end up cutting K-Rod, it’ll only cost them $2-3M (not even 3% of the total payroll). CEOs/presidents don’t lose their jobs for decisions that cost their company that.
In addition, I’m fairly certain that Attanasio knew full well the risks (regardless how remote) before giving DM the OK to offer arbitration.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Thats true
But that also assumes that Mark A is consulted on every business and baseball decision made by his GM.
When you're potentially spending $15 million he sure is.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
That seems to be the case
It seems that Attanasio is involved just about every decision that DM makes… at least when it’s involving money. At least that’s how the media portrays it.
Since buying the Brewers, it seems that Attanasio likes being involved with the team.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Is that the kind of real business world...
… that results in you commenting on blogs all damn day?
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 8, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
It really depends on what they do with him. If they can trade him for a bag of peanuts, it's no longer a $10M dollar issue.
Same goes if they cut him.
True if they cut
But as Kyle posted in the mug this AM, KRod has already been paid $4 million to go away, and if they trade him it will probably cost at least $6 million to make that happen.
Yes, but the point is still relevant to some extent
The team would have to eat a decent amount of salary to trade him. Cutting him would cost the least.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
It kind of depends how much he gets through arbitration.
If the Brewers traded him for a PTBNL, they might only have to chip in $1-$2M, depending on how much his salary will be. Remember, the 80% rule (player can’t make less than 80% of his previous season’s salary through arbitration) doesn’t apply to free agents offered arbitration.
Yes, but what are the numbers going to be?
Brewers say $7M, K-Rod says $12? I don’t think there’s any way he makes less than he did last season.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I could potentially see 9-10 at the low end.
Heath Bell is making 9 for the next three seasons, and he’s one of the best closers in the game, with the Saves number to prove it.
But I also see what you're saying where he could make 12+.
Those numbers will work themselves out soon, I guess.
Yeah
I just think that even if K-Rod submits what he made last year, and the Brewers say $9M or $10M the arbitrator probably sides with K-Rod.
Wait and see I guess.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
That's always a possibility
Hello, Red Sox.
Might as well throw in Marcum and get Lowrie and Lars Anderson, right?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Since arbritration tends to look at what similar players are making
Is Soriano contract with the Yankees at 3/35 the reference point for high end of what a set-up man is making and therefore the Brewers should be able to argue that K-Rod should not get any more than $12million?
Hard to say
K-Rod is a legitimate closer. I think it depends on who the arbitration panel decides are his comps. Just because the Brewers aren’t going to use him as a closer doesn’t necessarily mean that he shouldn’t be paid like one.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
It should because he accepted arbitration knowing he would become a "set-up man"
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No he didnt
He accepted arbitration to get paid. And he was within his rights to do so.
He was a $13.5 millon set up man last year, so if that holds true again, and he performed quite well, no arbitrator in the world is going to give him less.
Then he's still getting paid as a set-up man, just a very expensive one.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Brewers got $4 million from the Mets for him
Extend that out for the whole season and the Brewers valued him at about $5.5 million as a set up man which is about market value.
He was a $13.5 million closer on the Mets and a $5.5-$6 million set up man on the Brewers. The Brewers are the relevant team in the arbitration trial, particularly because KRod has acknolwedged he’s going to be a set up man for the Brewers this year by accepting arbitration.
It’s going to be very difficult to Boras to convince an arbiter that KRod should be paid as an elite closer when there’s 0% doubt that he’s going to be in the set up role for the Brewers. This isn’t a slam dunk arbitration trial for him. If Boras shoots too high, say $15 million, the Brewers have an extremely good chance of winning at $10 million and would even have a chance at $8.5-$9.
Melvin took a gamble that KRod would reject arbitration. Boras is taking a gamble that the Brewers won’t want to go to arbitration. It could cost his client a very large sum of cash while earning him very little.
by ecocd on Dec 8, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Brewers received $5.9M from New York in the deal.
$3.5M for the buyout and $2.4M for half of his remaining contract.
I don't know if it even cost us that.
Didn’t Hawkins take the Angels offer before K-Rod accepted arbitration? Granted, it may just have been the timing of the reporting vs. the order it actually happened.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Melvin reportedly had an offer on the table and it must've been competitive with the Angels
They were still listening to Melvin when he asked them to wait on the offer. They at least had a legitimate shot to sign him. Given Melvin’s history, he certainly would’ve gone as high as $3 million.
Right
But I think Hawkins took the Angels’ offer before K-Rod accepted arbitration.
If anything, it was waiting on K-Rod that cost the Brewers Hawkins. If K-Rod waited until the deadline to reject, I still think Hawkins is gone.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I'm increasingly convinced...
.. they can’t cut him without some serious evidence that he’s awful. There’s precedent for grievances being denied when a team cuts a guy playing for an arbitration award contract, but that also means there’s precedent for a grievance being filed at all.
Odds are, cutting him won’t be a realistic option.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 8, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
I think you're right
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
He is working in the corporate world
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
I think that was Uecker falling into the relecting pool!
"I haven't been out carousing." -Aaron Rodgers
Uecker does not fall
His frame of reference rotated 90 degrees into him
I hate Yuni.
by BrewCrewBrian on Dec 8, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Some Meta-considerations on the Pujols/Wilson signings
So if you’re new to this site, you may not be aware that I closely follow a certain West-coast team that made something of a splash at the winter meetings with some FA acquisitions. I completely opposed their big move last year (Vernon fricking Wells for Napoli!?!?), but with their two big signings today there’s a lot more to consider than just the team on the field.
Consider the media market. Yes, you may laugh at the term “Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim,” but Arte Moreno isn’t backing down from his goal of seizing market share from the Dodgers. With the McCourt debacle of the past couple of years, and the well-publicized security issues at Dodger Stadium, the Angels actually outdrew the Dodgers last season. I don’t think Moreno is willing to give that up.
If you’re in WI, you’re not seeing how the local media plays out here. In terms of media coverage, it’s still Dodgers #1, with the Angels as an afterthought. It’s only when the Angels are outperforming the Dodgers on the field that they get any attention. In the past couple of weeks, all the baseball talk has been focused on the Dodgers’ ownership situation. Steve Garvey! Mark Cuban! Magic Johnson! (And oh, BTW, Kershaw won the Cy Young and Kemp signed long-term.) If you keep reading past the homer-esque “Kemp wuz robbed for the MVP” columns, you might find a brief mention of the Angels. But the Halos have pretty much been out of the picture in the off-season, despite having the better team on the field (and the better organization) for most of the last decade. With this move, the Angels became the big story again. And they’ve just guaranteed that they’ll still have the best team on the field for the next few years at least. They’re still competing for market share.
And speaking of media, I’d be surprised if Arte isn’t on the phone with Fox right now. As part of the Dodgers bankruptcy proceedings, Frank McCourt is trying to weasel out of his TV contract with Fox so he can auction the broadcast rights to the Dodgers to generate more immediate value for himself when he sells the team. Fox has sued him to prevent this. Fox runs two regional sports networks (RSN) in SoCal. They currently carry the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Angels, Galaxy, Kings, Ducks, and Pac-12. They’ve just lost the Pac-12 to the upcoming Pac-12 network. They lost out on the Lakers to Time Warner (TW is launching a new RSN out here soon, and offered the Lakers some ridiculous amount of money for broadcast rights). TW also picked up the Galaxy (yes, soccer ratings aren’t huge, but they draw well in the large Latino community here). If McCourt convinces the bankruptcy judge to let him auction the Dodgers’ TV rights, TW will likely make a big bid. The Angels currently get something like $50M/year from Fox, but their rights are only locked up for another 3 – 4 years. Given the uncertainty with their other programming, what does Fox do if Arte Moreno calls them up and says, “Hey, I’d like to negotiate an extension of my broadcast rights. And oh, yeah, when our current contract expires, I’ll still have Pujols/Weaver/Wilson/Trout.”? (Arte: If you’re reading this, and if nobody has suggested this to you yet, give me a call. I’ll be willing to accept a small finders’ fee for the idea. And I have other good ideas, too!)
So, while I don’t think Moreno really wants to spend $40M+ a year on Pujols + Wilson (or at least not while he’s also paying Wells + Abreu + Hunter > $50M), I think he’s a smart enough businessman that he’s working more than one angle here.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
To put the Angels spending into perspective
From ESPN stats:
Angels signed Wilson & Pujols for $327.5M. KC, TB, PIT, SD, CLE, ARI and FLA owed a combined $327.8M to their opening day rosters for 2011
I've seen something like that a few times today/yesterday and it bothers me every time
Who knows how much $25MM in salary will get you in 2022? Comparing apples and oranges, imo. Yes, it’s a lot of money, but they’re spending it over a decade.
What it is showing is that the 7 teams were paying less for 175 players for 1 year
Than what the Angels are paying 2 players for 15years in total
Oh I get the business sense of the deals
I just want to know if you think they would take John Axford for Mark Trumbo, and maybe even Izturis?
I suspect they would, gladly, take that trade.
The bullpen is the one remaining area of concern for them. Walden blew 10 saves last season. If the Halos can get a cost-controlled player to fit there, they’d do it. Though it also depends on whether they’ve gotten any recent medical news re: Morales. I have to wonder if they jumped in on Pujols after getting a report that Kendrys wouldn’t be OK for 2012. Really, how may first basemen does one team need? If Kendrys can’t play, Trumbo becomes more valuable as a cheap righty DH option (platooned with Abreu).
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
Trumbo is not so good
Morales and Izturis and I’m on board. They’re probably not
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Trumbo isnt so bad though either
Definitely the chance to be an above average player in Milwaukee.
I just dont know about Morales with his injury and price compared to Trumbo.
Trumbo stinks
sorry but I am not real interested in a first baseman that gets on base below .300.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 8, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't trade Axford for Morales and Izturis
They’re trying to get rid of both of them as it is. Erick Aybar maybe (depending on what his contract situation is)
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely mixed up Aybar and Izturis
Izturis would still be a decent guy to look at, though. Probably wouldn’t do that deal. Axford has a lot of value.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Seriously.
Trumbo had only one above average OBP year in the minors, and was at .291 in the MLB last year. He hits for power, but eh.
Seconded
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think youre really underestimating the guy
He’s always been over .450 slugging and over .500 three times…..and his oba and woba are always pretty acceptable.
Im not saying that you need to bat the guy 4th in the order, but he is a solid bet to have a ton of power, play very nice D at 1B, and be an above average player at a position of need right now for the organization.
by backtocali on Dec 8, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is John Axford for Mark Trumbo?
Come on, dude.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
it's reasonable to think that if the Brewers didn't offer K-Rod arb/K-Rod not accepting arb
that the Brewers would have signed Hawkins, Saito, and Aramis Ramirez already, no?
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM CST reply actions
I think that depends on whether you think they're seriously entertaining brining Prince back or not
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
I don't think they are entertaining bringing back Prince at all unless it's for 5 years and 100 million
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Hawkins and Saito, probably.
There’s no way to tell how close they actually are or were to a deal with Ramirez.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
very true
it does seem like Aramis wants to play for the Brewers, and I’d like to assume that there would be close to a deal if it wasn’t for the K-Rod situation.
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it makes much difference.
F-Rod gets $12MM in arby, the Brewers pay $2MM and cut him. If $2MM is preventing you from buying anything this offseason, you weren’t buying anything anyway.
by nullacct on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
well it already cost them Hawkins, which I'm not too broken up about
it just seems like the K-Rod stuff has, at least temporarily, put a stop on the Brewers pursuing any other free agents.
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
They weren't interested in Hawkins
And he signed elsewhere. I can roll back through the tweets to find references if necessary.
I thought Melvin said last night there was a deal in place for Hawkins but they had to wait till midnight to see what K-Rod did
Hawkins didn’t want to wait and took a better deal with Anaheim
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
they wanted to bring him back, but asked if they could wait until they knew K-Rod’s decision.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Last I heard about Hawkins his agent hadn't heard from the Brewers at all
But either way, he wasn’t a high priority
And if we had signed him
Then we get to hear the chorus of “omg DM signs ancient guys to fill the bullpen…again.”
Yeah, I'm happy he's not on the team
will be even happier when Saito isn’t, too.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Why not Saito?
I realize with K Rod doing this to us that Saito is gone but why wouldnt you want him back. I realize he was injured a lot last season but we only paid him 2 million and he is still very good.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 8, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
I think the belief is that DM would likely overpay for Saito (money and length)
I don’t think anyone would be opposed to getting Saito back for the same amount as last season or less.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Why would it cost more? He's been willing to take one-year deals for a few years now.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
It's not so much something that Saito would require
but more something that DM appears to like to do.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
because he is a 42 year old relief pitcher.
Do i really have to explain this everytime?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Throw out his back
zing!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
He will get more than $12M
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
His last contract was for 3 years at $11.5 million plus a 4 million buyout.
I don’t see how he will get much more than $12million this time around. Considering that the Brewers are only likely to pay 1/6 assuming that they can cut him every 600k is only adding another 100k to the Brewers bill.
First
he pitched very well in 2011. He will get more than he made last year because of that.
Second
I’m not so sure he actually made $11.5M, since everyone has been referencing $13.5 as the number.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I've been trying to figure out his salary.
Haudricourt, et al say $13.5M while Cots has $11.5M. The buyout doesn’t seem to fill that extra $2M.
Yeah I'm wondering if it has to do with some sort of escalators due to IP or something
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Well let's see
55 GF gets an extra $600k, and then 3rd time Rolaids (whatever the hell that is) gets $400k. So that’s $1M.
Bah I have no idea.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
There's also the signing bonus
I believe the signing bonus is spread out over the life of the contract. It doesn’t bring the total up to $13.5M, but it does add another $667K.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Maybe
but I’m OK with not having Hawkins and Saito.
I think they should sign Jamie Moyer and Tim Wakefield, though.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Might as well bring back Counsell as the FT SS
The new motto… “go old or go home”.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Craig Counsell
Will be the first player to be involved in a scandal for being younger than they say they are.
REWIND YOURSELF!
by drezdn on Dec 8, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't understand many of these posts.
Frankie’s salary is a one-time event. It has a very clear shelf life. Businesses have unexpected costs all the time. My business certainly does. If this was a long-time recurring cost I would be taking a different approach
But a known one-time hit to the financials is very manageable. And it’s not like Frankie isn’t contributing (assuming the guy performs somewhere in his normal range)
The Brewers have a plan and still should be able to execute against the plan. I find it hard to believe that Frankie NOT accepting completely blows up the Brewers approach.
THAT would be sad
No, NOT accepting was their plan
Also, I’m sure you’re familiar with the team’s projected payroll, and payroll history, so you’ll know what his projected $13M salary does in those contexts, too, right?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I'm glad you have a high degree of certainty on that
and if true, then they are going to sign Aramis Ramirez. So…when’s that happening?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, cool
thanks
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
To include your knowledge of payroll situation?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I had already corrected before you posted
Been a Brewer season ticket holder for a long time.
So, you don't understand their payroll situation, right?
and congrats on being a season ticket holder. I’ll bet that means you’re a better fan than me.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
What? Where did that come from?
We disagree. I think the Brewers can absorb this hiccup. Or should.
I just don't think you're familiar with the teams payroll history
Also, I don’t see why you would bring up your status as a season ticket holder. It seemed condescending to me. I called you on it.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that would demonstrate I have followed the team closely
You didn’t call me on anything. You are reading stuff into posts that is not there.
by Big10freak on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh for crying out loud. I used an example that folks don't seem to matter
Fine, like everyone else here I am a dedicated Brewer fan who sifts through all the goings ons with tremendous interest. so yes, the payroll issues are all too familiar. I just think Doug and Mark should be able to handle a blip. Period.
by Big10freak on Dec 8, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well just in case you forgot
Here’s a refresher on the payroll situation. Also, I cite the team’s history and trends.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I should stay out of this, but this seems like a lot of people just insisting that they're right
Which is ironic because every single one of us was proved wrong yesterday. We were all SURE K-Rod would say no to the Brewers. So maybe we should all tone down what we know.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No its not
I’m enjoying wildly guessing that speculating on things is no fun at all…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
by MrLeam on Dec 8, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Meanwhile, here's a conversation that probably happened in Houston today (and may be repeated when Fielder signs).
“Pujols signed with the Angels! We don’t have to deal with him anymore!”
“That’s great news…but don’t we move to that division in 2013?”
“…..[Insert random obscenities here].”
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by -JP- on Dec 8, 2011 12:14 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Can we really cut K-Rod if he performs well in Spring Training?
I think he could file a grievance if we cut him.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
We can cut him the day after his arby award
His salary is not guaranteed – we are on the hook for only 1/6th of it if we cut him early.
Maybe
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I think they would have to prove they cut him for performance reasons not salary reasons.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Mind you I am not 100% positive about this.
Just bringing it up to cover all possibilities.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
We need a KRod clause
The first time he complains about not being the closer he forfeits the rest of the seasons pay.
If that happens, the Brewers should just come back with the following
“You had a chance to sign with another team and be a closer in the offseason, but you took our offer of arbitrtation anyway knowing that Axford is the closer. It looks like the money was more important to you, so you got your money, now you’ll pitch when we tell you to pitch.”
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friend just texted me this
There are rumblings that mets are close to a blockbuster deal involving Ike and neise according to the fan
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions
Haha basically!
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They're getting Pujols for them.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Well probably depends on the team(s) involved
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
McCalvy tweeted that Brewers could have their SS soon, that Melvin wants to move
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 12:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I want him to wait until the last day of Spring Training in case the Minnesota Twins go bankrupt
in a huge corruption scandal and the Feds for the team to clause than if the alternative is Yuni by early next week.
The closing of that post was Melvin saying "we're okay. I talked to Mark"
Somehow, after yesterday, I envision Dougie answering his phone “hello, 2011 Major League Baseball Executive of the Year Doug Melvin here”.
Just in case Mark had a short memory.
by infield fly on Dec 8, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Welp, so that's definitely Betancourt then.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
It's going to be Yuni, if for no other reason than he's durable and we have no backup
That’s ok though, I still think he could try for A-Ram.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
The thing is, no one's knocking down Yuni's door or we would've heard about it
With how many rumors fly around, someone somewhere would’ve mentioned that the market for Yuni was picking up with Rollins all but out of the picture. I’ve heard nothing of the sort.
There’s no reason for Doug to rush to sign Yuni next week unless it’s a minor league contract. Yuni will be available until Spring Training.
Of course, Doug isn’t known for his patience. #hardyforgomez
by ecocd on Dec 8, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This
There are still better SSs available on the market than Yuni (Furcal for one). No reason for DM to sign him now (unless as you say it is for a minor league deal or for the league minimum).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Hey, I'm not saying Betancourt is the best option
But I think Melvin wasn’t to get the SS situation taken care of now, and that probably means bringing back Betancourt.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
He's directing all his virtue toward Aramis Ramirez, I suspect.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Which I support. If we don't get him it's a major missed opportunity.
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
It's only a missed opportunity if the Brewers don't make a bid
and another team signs him at a reasonable contract.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
That's what I'm saying
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Angels out of the bidding, who else is left?
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
I thought I read a few days ago that Detroit had mild interest in Ramirez
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I think "mild interest" means that they'd sign him if he's cheap
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
not if they re-sign Rollins
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by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Why would that make any difference?
Rollins plays SS, not 3B. They already have Polanco at 3B, but were still reportedly interested in Ramirez.
I guess I don’t see the difference… particularly for a team like the Phillies who obviously doesn’t have any problems getting players even for a slight upgrade.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
The plan was to trade Polanco if they didn’t get Rollins and then sign Ramirez for his offense. I don’t think they’re in anymore either way, specially not if they can bring back Rollins.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Shortstop
if Melvin brings back that same guy from last season he should be fired on the spot as it shows a complete lack of intelligence. If he cant upgrade the shortstop position he is incompetent.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 8, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Nah
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I am sitting here and assuming that the Brewers can just cut K-Rod if they want
Is that the case or is it more complicated?
I have read this clause about it having to about insufficient skill or competitive ability in the last CBA. Will that make it impossible for the Brewers to cut him? Not that I have ever heard that being a problem with a player before.
by Saltire on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
CYA (Cover Your A$$) clause
I would think that provision is in there so teams don’t sabotage their players. The player’s union might file a grievance if the Brewers are vindictive about it. If they don’t let him throw a single game ball in Spring Training and then cut him with 1 minute left on the clock to make the 1/6 deadline, the union would push the issue.
If the Brewers treat him fairly, like they would any other player they cut in Spring Training, then there’s probably not much the player’s union would even want to do.
Right
The Brewers did something similar with Vargas back in 2008. He had a solid ST, but was owed $3.6M that year. They tried trading him, but found no takers, so they ended up cutting him and paying him only $900K.
Granted, Vargas is no K-Rod, but there is a precedent.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Considering I don't think it's ever happened, it's more complicated than that.
I doubt it happens.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
With a player of K-Rod's caliber... probably not
but it has happened before (see my above post).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
This just brightened my day!
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
St. Louis Cardinals Statements Regarding Albert Pujols
December 8, 2011
Cardinals Chairman and CEO Bill DeWitt, Jr.
"We are disappointed that we were unable to reach an agreement to keep Albert Pujols in St. Louis. Albert is a great champion and we will always be thankful for his many achievements in a Cardinals uniform, as well as his contributions to the St. Louis community. I have the highest regard for Albert both personally and professionally, and appreciate his direct involvement in this process. I would like our fans to know that we tried our best to make Albert a lifetime Cardinal but unfortunately we were unable to make it happen."
Cardinals Sr. Vice President & General Manager John Mozeliak
"Albert has been a special player in this organization since the moment he was drafted over 12 years ago. His accomplishments on and off the field have been spectacular. I wish him well in the next phase of his career."
-STL-
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
Ryan Braun has posed the question, 'How much is enough?' He took less money to stay in Milwaukee.
Albert Pujols has said that it isn’t about the money and that he’s already made his money. He left St. Louis to take more money in Los Angeles.
Who’s classy now?
by tcyoung on Dec 8, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
It wasn't about being classy AND it wasn't about the money
It was about Pujols.
by nullacct on Dec 8, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
He's taking his talents to Venice Beach.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 8, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec because we can't hug on the internet
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Aww
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
He's still leaving STL behind for more money. He's not leaving anything behind in Florida.
Obviously there are other factors, but Albert has said he wants to be a Cardinal for life, like Musial. He chose another route.
by tcyoung on Dec 8, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
People have been tweeting that Musial would have left St. Louis if he had the opportunity.
But, I mean, a lot of players say they want to stay with their current team. It’s what they think they are supposed to say. They don’t realize there is a middleground between that and “Fuck it, I’m leaving when I can”.
Agree completely.
Just pointing out that he’s not the God they think he is, and he’s just as greedy and self-important as everyone else.
See, I just wouldn't call it greed, I guess.
I mean, yeah, he took more money. But the fact that he didn’t take an extra $20M from Miami also shows that he took the place he wanted to play for, too.
Who was the 4th team?
Also I note that the deal is now being reported as 10/254 which ever so slightly more than A-Rods 1st deal of 10/252.
With the tax situation in Florida he has turned down alot more money to play for the Angels but they atleast have a DH slot for him in years to come
Washington!
Still hoping they sign Fielder too.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Cubs were well known to have submitted an offer
It was just reported as being lower than the others. So, perhaps the Cubs even outbid St. Louis?
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he decided it was too cold in St. Louis
I mean seriously, who wants to play in a city with so much freezing rain?
by Oakland Brewer Fan on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Pujols was never classy
No one other than Pujols ever claimed he was.
by ecocd on Dec 8, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Braun
guys like Braun and Tulowitzki are rare in todays society. These two superstars have left millions on the table to be the face of their respective franchises. Braun and Tulowitzki will both play their entire careers with the teams that drafted them and will be beloved forever.
Lets be thankful that Ryan Braun is this generations Robin Yount; special players that will spend their entire careers in a Milwaukee Brewers uniform.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 8, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
When is the angry comic sans letter coming?
#takinghistalentstohuntingtonbeach
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
if St. Louis doesn't win this past season's World Series, does Pujols stay in St. Louis?
I think he
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions
would have stayed in STL
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it mattered.
What I’m curious about is how will this affect Berkman + Holliday’s numbers.
this whole Pujols situation though
makes me very grateful that the Crew has a guy like Braun
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 1:16 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Upon wintry reflection
I actually don’t think the K-Rod thing is a big deal. Mark A. has consistently been willing to spend to win now, and I’m sure Melvin and Mark A. had this conversation and figured out how to take on K-Rod’s salary and still field a full roster. I’m guessing Mark A. just take a one-year hit and the Brewers still go after A-Ram. Yuni’s coming back probably but that was going to happen anyways.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think this is what Big10freak was trying to say
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Dec 8, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually I thnk it means McGehee/Green at 3B
but still perhaps Furcal at SS, with Gonzalez maybe on a 1 year.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really want Furcal, I'd rather go with Gonzalez at SS and Ramirez at 3B
Furcal has that injury history and it seems like he could only hit well against the Brewers pitching last year.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah injury
he’s a significantly better offensive player than Gonzalez, and you probably don’t lose much in defense.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
No
Furcal or Gonzalez.
Should have been more clear.
If Furcal won’t play here, then Gonzalez. Also, Punto.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Can I just point out having the NBA free agency at the same time is not a good idea
I just read a headline that said that Detriot have signed Prince for 4 years and thought WTF before reading that it was for a different Prince altogether
My favorite part of today is that the Angels are still going to lose their division to Texas.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
the Angels have a better pitching staff by far
I think it’s Anaheim’s division to lose. A rotation of Weaver, Haren, Santana, and Wilson is nasty.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing Texas answers and signs Yu Darvish or somebody.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, my favorite thing is the added pressure
On not one but TWO AL West teams to chase Prince. (Seattle and Texas). I think we’re getting close to a Prince-and-Pujols-free Central, which gives us a decent chance at playoffs.
We won by six games and the Cardinals just lost their best player
I think we’ve got a pretty good chance even if Melvin just twiddles his thumbs and brings in Edwin Maysonet.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
not saying I disagree
but getting Wainwright back has to soften the blow just a bit for St. Louis, right?
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, but it went from Wainwright + Pujols -> Wainwright
(who’s coming off a major injury, btw)
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I understand that
they are probably still a 85-89 win team, especially if they use some of that Pujols money to acquire another bat.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
So what are the Brewers?
84 win true talent BTC?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Also are you just pulling numbers out of your ass, or do you have a model you use to generate that?
Also, that’s a big range, you should correct for that.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if Seattle is really planning on competing in the next couple years.
At least not enough to sign a big free agent just to keep up with the other teams.
Because he's overpaid and may not be very good anymore.
I’m not saying that Seattle is going to blow up their team, either. Just that it’s not necessarily the correct time for them to sign a bigtime free agent in order to compete with other teams that are, likely, far ahead of them already. The Mariners are on their way to building a successful team, just like the Brewers were 6-8 years ago. Given a couple years, they could then add that final big piece and become big-time contenders.
The crazy thing is that the Angels are still paying Veron Wells $21million a year
For the next 3 years and are still able to afford everybody else( It makes the K-Rod problem look alot smaller)
In fact they may challange the Yankees for the highest payroll for the next few years.
it's crazy that Wells is only making like 2-3 million less a year than Pujols haha
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if 'afford' is the right word
The Marlins can’t afford the guys they signed, they’re just hoping it generates a huge amount of ticket revenue and merchandise sales.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
My second favorite part of today is that Pujols left the Cardinals and it *wasn't* the highest offer
hehehe
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
insert Bart Scott video here
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
We like to poke fun at him, but don't underestimate the impact of Pujols
He has a further reach than only his bat. His presence in the lineup dramatically affects the players in front on and behind him. Pujols and some good luck will get the Angel much closer to the Rangers than good luck on its own. If Texas can’t make a counter move, this single move really does get the Angels close.
Doug melvin says "We are okay to make moves"
and that anyone who is still a free agent is still a possibility.
by evand on Dec 8, 2011 1:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I actually believe him, but only because of the Great Mark A.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A-HA!
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it's true, no?
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, me neither. Actually really important because he acknowledges that we will be cutting him
by referencing the 3mil figure… Or am I misunderstanding something.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
You have to put words down first, then highlight them and click the chainlink next to the picture of the pretty tree.
Then paste the URL of what you are linking to into that box, click open in a new window to be a nice guy, and click submit. Like so.
Tautology
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
Wait, you're UW Madison educated
This’ll explain it simply for you…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
Wait a moment...
you’re not wanting to hear my views on the first Defenestration of Prague again are you? Or a discussion about the innovative use of carts in battle by the Hussite troops?
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
I impressed that you had views on the 1st Defenestration of Prague
Since the 2nd one is much better known. (at least that was the one taught at my school)
Really?
I think I knew about the first from my Dad and I think it was covered briefly in school. Don’t think we did the 30 Years War though (but I wish we had)…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
I can only apologise for the poor state of Scottish education
Mind you, I was actually reading a bit about the Elector Palatine a couple of days ago. Can’t remember much about it now though…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
I'm not the only one who read "Senator Palpatine", right?
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
by GoGregGo on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It was covered briefly
But I think that more down to what the teacher was interested in rather than any designated curriculum for it. I learned some more about it whilst reading this book which covers alot about the history of Germany albeit from one persons point of view which, as the mix reviews show, is not to everybodys taste.
I was tempted to buy that
when I saw it in Waterstones a couple of months ago. Is it worth getting?
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
Yes you're missing something
Doug is referencing the fact that had K-Rod declined arb, and signed elsewhere, the team would have recieved compensatory draft picks. The bonus that is paid to the men that are drafted is where he is coming up with the $3M figure.
Everything Melvin has said thus far implies that K-Rod will be pitching for the Brewers.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
I would say no
only because the brewers need to sell tickets and if the lasting impression on our off season is having k rod back and not replacing fielder with anything, even if coming off of our season last year, there will be a negative mind set going into spring training resulting in lower ticket sales. just my guess though.
Luhnow
The Cardinals are going to miss Jeff Luhnow who built their farm system up from one of the worst to one of the best. Luhnow going to Houston is a move that may very well help the Brewers in years to come as it clearly weakens the Cardinals.
From what little there is out there about him
It sounds like he has decent defense, but very little offense. He was projected to be a utility player in the Cardinals organization.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
non-Yuni Hope
Given that the Brewers seems pretty pitching-heavy, especially with K-Rod possibly back, surely Melvin would consider the added value of having a crappy-but-good-defensive SS like Jack Wilson or Ronny Cedeno, instead of a crappy-but-familiar SS like Betancourt?
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
OMG THE NIGHTMARE IS OVER
#Brewers sign Alex Gonzalez
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 2:56 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
(per @Ken_Rosenthal, guessing I'll be too slow to fanshot it)
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
I just breathed a big sigh of relief...
Then doubled over due to the pain from my herniated disc… that’s the best pain I have ever felt… NO YUNI!
I TOLD YOU SO!
Ha!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Does this mean
It’s ok for me to say that about Gamel after this season? haha j/k
Hey you can do whatever you want man
I’ve already firmly carved out my tinfoil-capped niche here. Its up to you to build your legacy.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
I like the
One year deal with a vesting option too. Low risk like a mofo B!
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