Rosenthal: Brewers to sign Alex Gonzalez
Holy cow I just got really lightheaded from happiness.
Update: Alex Gonzalez deal with #Brewers is one year with a vesting option.
For ease of access, here are Gonzalez's fangraphs page and B-Ref page.
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Bye Yuni!
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
by The Dayman on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Don't get the confetti ready just yet
We still do need some backups. While not as bad as signing him as the starter, I don’t really want Yuni back in a Brewers uniform… even as a bench player.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Hello, Nick Punto.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
We can only hope
But sadly I think DM still might consider bringing Yuni back… if for no other reason because he’s familiar.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I highly doubt Betancourt will play a backup role
He can only play SS. You need a bench UTIL guy.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I love K-Rod!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
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"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Let me explain the reaction, before!
In my mind, at the time of the announcement that Yuni was not coming back, I thought that K-Rod accepting arbitration forced the issue even more that Doug/Mark would want to do the right thing, and get some defense!
I don’t love K-Rod, but I do think something good came out of this situation. Now, I do not feel so much stress of having to worry every day about Betancourt possibly becoming our starting SS.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Dec 8, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
What?
"We’re gonna gather our nuts, and find out what the squirrels… we’ll be right back." - Brian Anderson
by Rendezvous on Dec 8, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Whoa.
His jiggling is almost hypnotic.
by Morbidly-Obese, Right-Handed Jamie Moyer on Dec 8, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Whoa.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Thank You Baby Jesus
Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You
Best day
Now sign Aramis
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 8, 2011 3:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
THIS. So much this.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
OHHH MY GOD I WOULD BE SOOOOOOO STOKED
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
RF – C. Hart
CF – N. Morgan
LF – R. Braun
3B – A. Ramirez
2B – R. Weeks
1B – M. Gamel
C – J. Lucroy
SS – A. Gonzalez
SP – Y. Gallardo
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes please!
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
Which would somehow go from being a terrible offseasons as of 12:01 am last night
To a solid-to-great day in under 24 hours.
first it was chili and cornbread day at work
now this!
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
Even better
than getting to leave work early today because it got a bit windy over here…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
Evidence of the light breezes that have hit Scotland today can be seen
by Saltire on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The turbine picture was cool
Don’t get me wrong it definitely got pretty windy and ridiculous in some areas but where I live it didn’t seem half as bad as it was meant to be. Perhaps we’re a bit secluded or it was a local thing because a couple of other people nearby were saying the same thing. Certainly didn’t seem bad enough to close the schools down across the whole council but I suppose they end up getting criticised by people no matter what happens…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
There are roads and bridges shut close by
But none of the schools shut early here and to be honest there never seemed to be a reason to.
On the other hand there were gusts up to 165mph today (Admittedly on high ground) and upto 90mph at sea-level so the councils do have to err on the side of caution
Better than pizza day at school?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I remember those days
That rectangular piece of pizza that may or may not have had traces of meat on it.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yeah
it was like gold.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Mmm
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Do you also remember the "Mexican" pizzas they also served?
I think they were shaped like a hexagon or octagon. I can’t remember the name.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yes I do
also the Chicken Burgers, which was a perfectly circular breaded chicken patty. I always stayed away from the burgers though.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Haha oh yeah!
that was a special occasion food I think.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm eating lasagna for dinner tonight.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Well the above is a picture of school pizza square
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
That's like 95% carbs
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Everything an elementary school child needs
And they wonder why childhood obesity is so bad.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Needs more meat.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
Man I never got a pretzel and mustard
that’s some gourmet shit.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Me neither
I just found that pic online. At my middle school, we got OJ in that spot on the tray.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I think we had canned green beans
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
That's what we had in the veggie section...
either canned green beans or corn.
Speaking of which, I remember going to school with a kid who was a vegetarian (not Fielder)… every Friday (pizza day), he’d trade his chocolate milk and pizza for an OJ and veggies. He was kind of annoying, but you always made sure you stood next to him in the lunch line so that you had first crack at trading.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
haha awesome
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
I commented and then read.
And the chicken patties were actually pretty okay. Burgers weren’t though, you’re right. I assumed it was a “Yuni, the plate of lasagna is gone” type thing.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yuni, the plate of lasagna, is gone. Here's a "slice" of nostalgia.
And I’m eating lasagna tonight, there is a metaphor to be found, here.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Haha I did too when I first looked at it.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Without Yuni, every day feels like double soup Tuesday at the Orphanarium.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
HardballTalk sums it up perfectly:
As for Gonzalez … he’s 35 years old and coming off a terrible season at the plate, but when you just finished watching Yuniesky Betancourt for an entire season just about anything probably seems like a big shortstop upgrade.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
by The Dayman on Dec 8, 2011 3:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
nodding silently...
"Business... then whores!"
by The George Kottaras Sports Machine on Dec 8, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
...
You gotta eat lightning and crap thunder, Plush!
by brewersfanatic on Dec 8, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Never thought
a career .247/.290/.399 hitter would look so good.
by Infield Fly Rule on Dec 8, 2011 3:07 PM CST reply actions
I just let out
an audible Ric Fliar ‘Woo’ at work.
Deuces, Yuni.
"Business... then whores!"
by The George Kottaras Sports Machine on Dec 8, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions
I'm not super familiar with this guy.
Do you guys expect him to be the full time starter?
by Rabbit915 on Dec 8, 2011 3:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, he's been a starting SS his whole career.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Do you really need to know anything besides not Yuni?
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Now we get the e-baseball-writer analysis about how Alex Gonzalez sucks because he isn't Jose Reyes.
Sigh…
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
Your opinion is wrong.
Hooray! Better than Yuni!
by ecocd on Dec 8, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Maybeeeee
Less expensive move (Gonzalez) means more expensive move (Ramirez) to come later.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
No more TLR, no more Pujols, now no more Yuni.
This offseason is getting better and better.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
This is exactly what I thought when I opened mlb.com today
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
now if Fielder signs with either the Nats or the Jays...
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No
He likes what’s going on with the Brewers and re-signs to an 8-year/$80M deal… most of which is deferred.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
You have to wonder if he's really wishing the Brewers had $23 million to give him
that he really likes the team that’s coming together there and would rather play there than any of his other options.
I also wish the Brewers had $23 million more to get Prince back.
If the Brewers can give him the best offer
I’m sure he’d be ecstatic to come back.
I think all the attention that DM got from Boras is just Boras trying to get an offer out of him so that he can shop it around.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Now we just need the Cards to get rid of Carpenter and Molina and this will be an almost perfect offseason.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Last two years:
Derek Jeter, 5.0 fWAR
Alex Gonzalez, 4.5 fWAR
Hope Doug didn’t give him $30 million…
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
It actually is
Average cost per WAR is much higher on the Yankees than the Brewers.
by cwolf20 on Dec 8, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Numbers-wise, I don't think he's all that much better than Yuni, except....
In one critcal category: He has a prob(NOTYuni) = 1.000.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
He's way better than Yuni. He's an actual SS.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Meanwhile
Plate of Lasagna got a 3years/15million offer from the Marlins.
REWIND YOURSELF!
by drezdn on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
He's a big draw in the Latin community apparently
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
by GoGregGo on Dec 8, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not wanting to put a downer on this but
This is the same Gonzalez that was listed as the 4th worst SS on Kyle’s post about Yuni that is on the front page.
So it is yes it is an improvement on Yuni but it is not exactly a giant leap forward.
by Saltire on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
We're not going to sign Jose Reyes, people need to accept that.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
I accept that
But is not as if Gonzalez was close to being an average SS last year. But the ABY factor is high I admit so feeling better than I probably should about the signing
We're not going to get an above-average SS through free agency, just isn't going to happen.
Not every player needs to be a star, they just need to not drag the team down like Yuni is very capable of doing.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that unless we got Furcal then yes getting a average SS was unlikely
But Gonzalez has roughly 12 full seasons as a major league player and has a total WAR of either 6.6 or 13.6 depending on which one of B-ref or fangraphs you prefer. So even if you take the higher value he is likely to worse than a replacement player.
Indeed he has only once according to B-ref or 3 times by Fangraphs been over 2WAR.
It is an ok signing, it is not that much of an improvement but it atleast is not Yuni.
2 WAR is considered an "average" player
Not a “replacement” player. 0 WAR is a “replacement” player.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
That is incredibly misleading.
You are counting all of his worst seasons when he was in his early-20s, nearly a decade ago. Since 2003 he’s averaged 2.1 fWAR/600 PA (above average), is cheap, and is two years off the best season of his career.
And for the record, 2011 fWAR:
1.3 – Hanley Ramirez
1.1 – Alex Gonzalez
0.5 – Rafael Furcal
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Just saying!
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
I have forgotten what the sarcasm tag is
I’m ashamed. Can you refresh my memory so I can use it more?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Ah yes
much sarcasm will be forthcoming.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Not quite.
We signed Hanley Ramirez, but better defensively!
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
Using B-Ref since 2003
since 2003 he has as total of 9.4WAR over the 8 seasons which works out at 1.2 per year
It is hardly earthshattering but as I have said before atleast it is better than Yuni
You don't have to view everything in the worst light possible, you know.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
If there’s one thing that warrants getting carried away, it’s the absence of Yuni.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
He had a down year defensively and offensively
There’s reason to believe he’ll be better. Yuni, not so much.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
if people can't accept not getting Reyes,
they’ve got issues since he’s already signed elsewhere, ergo, they officially cannot accept reality…
He also put up 3.4 WAR in 2010, and is at least a neutral fielder
And as previously said NOT YUNI!
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
2-time BCB Fantasy Baseball Champion
Yeah, but he's twice as good as Yuni, purely based on WAR.
or half as bad, depending on if you’re a half-full, half-empty sort.
Yuni made 4 million for .5 WAR last year. Gonzo made 2 million for 1.1 war. That’s 4 times as much WAR per $.
Yep
He probably is worth more than Betancourt by a half game or so.
I just dont get why DM would have signed Gonzalez instead of Betancourt though. Gonzalez had no where near the 70 RBI than Yuni had the year before coming here.
I think if anyone else had posted it, it would've gotten a chuckle.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I think BtC is joking, too.
Or he’s making the observation that DM has given a lot of lip service to RBI production in the past and he’s going against that with this signing. It’s a legitimate point.
The only type of celebratory comment I haven't seen yet is this:
“Christmas came early.” I’m surprised no one has used that one yet.
Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector
Then that gets followed up by repurposing the Greinkemas picture.
Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector
A year of Yuni turned the board into raging atheists?
Regardless, I’m happy to see another cliché go the way of bad clichés…but not as happy as I am to wave good-bye to Yuni.
His jiggling is almost hypnotic.
by Morbidly-Obese, Right-Handed Jamie Moyer on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Furcal?
I wonder if they ever looked at Furcal. I guess that’s what I was hoping for.
They did
Not sure what kind of contract he’s looking for, but Furcal has had trouble staying healthy (he hasn’t played in 100 games since 2009). There’s also a chance that Cardinals are bidding against the Brewers.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I don't think that health was an issue whatsoever
I’ll bet Furcal didn’t want to play in Milwaukee.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yes of course
but that goes with ’doesn’t want to play in Milwaukee’. Its the ‘small market premium’. Or perhaps the ‘Milwaukee is a sort of dingy industrial city premium’.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, Milwaukee has this industrial smoke stack feel to it.
St. Louis doesn’t.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I must not have been to those parts of town
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah that's Illinois
I’ve been to St. Louis, MO. My friend is a chemical engineer there and his wife is a physician. I assume I’ve been to the nicer areas.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Outside of the patently obnoxious fanbase...
there are worse places to be.
Gary, Indiana
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Right but its like Beloit and South Beloit
neither is good, South Beloit is worse.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure Melvin would even want Furcal
Expensive/injury-prone starting SS is a problem when you have zero depth in the system.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
NICK PUNTO
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
That would be awesome.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Depending on what kind of contract he was looking for, it may have been an issue.
If the reports that the Cardinals are looking to re-sign him are true, then you’re probably right… between the Cardinals and Brewers, he’s probably going to choose the Cardinals unless the Brewers offer him a bigger contract.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
it was reported that Furcal wanted a 2year deal
and DM probably is too gunshy given his injury history
Depending on who we got as a backup
that wouldn’t have been that bad (depending on the money). The Brewers are going to be in the same boat after next season (needing a starting SS).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
PUNTO!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Saving money for A-Ram
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Dec 8, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Dougie had to know that as bad as the K-Rod situation is, if he signed Yuni again it would be a revolt.
Gonzalez is not great but he is not terrible, either. As long as they make another move or two that improves the team instead of hurting the team, the Brewers have a good shot again this year.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 8, 2011 3:27 PM CST reply actions
Frankly, "not great, but not terrible" at SS is probably all the Brewers need to have a good shot at 90 wins.
Their current roster (yes, including KRod) is good enough to make the wildcard, especially if there are 2 wildcard teams. If the Cards get Rollins, I don’t see how the Brewers can catch them for the NL Central, but 90 wins should get a wildcard.
Seriously? The Cards were 6 games behind the Brewers and just loss Pujols (Pujols > Fielder)
I don’t see how we aren’t the favorites, even with Wainwright back.
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by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Wainwright is huge
and their bullpen can’t be as horrible as they were early last year. They’ll be able to spend that Pujols money on Rollins, a 2B and a 1B to make up the bulk of Pujols’ production just like the Brewers are trying to patch together a Frankenstein’s monster version of Prince.
Pegging Wainwright for 6+ WAR coming off an entire missed season seems pretty generous
They’ll probably bring back Furcal and add someone like Beltran. Sure, anything can happen, but the Brewers won 96 games last year and could easily fill the gaps made by Fielder and the bullpen departing. I just don’t see a Pujols-less Cardinals being a mid-90s win team.
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by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
I also think they'll do better replacing Pujols than the Brewers can do replacing Prince.
They have at least $22 million to fill those 3 holes. Even before KRod Arbitrocalypse, the Brewers didn’t have nearly that kind of money.
Maybe, unless that's the same line of reasoning that says the Brewers have $20+ million because we tried to sign Fielder?
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by SRB on Dec 9, 2011 3:53 AM CST up reply actions
Gonzalez has 38 HR over the last two seasons, and would have hit 4-5 more if his home stadium was Miller Park
(based on Gameday BIP Location mapper)
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I so called this
I’m happy to get +.6 WAR out of the SS position. That’s .6 less WAR we need to make up for Prince leaving. And if Gonzalez even plays at a replacement 2.0 WAR, that’s +1.5.
Now go sign Punto.
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Eh
still not sure that’ll happen.
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I know
free drinks for everyone! Whee
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm being conservative
and it still makes me happy!
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just going to say it:
I would rather have had Jack Wilson. Can anyone enlighten me to the upside of Gonzalez over Wilson?
Jack Wilson has accumulate -0.1 fWAR over the last two seasons and can't hit HR
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by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough, guess it depends on the defensive metric
Wilson also hasn’t had 450+ PA since 2007, so I think Gonzalez is the safer bet between two similar players.
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by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
actually, you're totally right about Gonzalez being better than Wilson
bRef does some weird sorting, and I only counted half of Gonzalez’s 2010 season. He’s substantially better than Wilson.
I take it back. I for one, welcome our new Gonzalez overlord.
I was just about to post the numbers
Because I was certain that there was no way Jack Wilson posted more than 4.5 WAR in the last 2 seasons.
He reminds us of Josh Wilson too much.
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by brewersfanatic on Dec 8, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Kyle on Heller show on 1070 AM in Madison now
you can listen at this link if you’re at your computer.
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~RRR
Phil's a good dude.
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
THANK YOU DOUG!!!
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by Big10freak on Dec 8, 2011 3:59 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
But it was a down season
so who knows what kind of deal they gave him.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Got that number from TH, Cots and B-R.
Where’s the additional $250K coming from… signing bonus?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Oops, I was looking at his 2010 contract on cots, thinking it was 2011.
2011 was an option. You’re right!
What are you basing that on?
SS are expensive this year, it seems. I wouldn’t be surprised at $3.5 million + $4 million option, at least.
I don't think I've ever been happy
to have signed such a mediocre player. I don’t think I could have taken another year of watching Yuni “play” defense.
Venezuelan SS who can't hit but is really good at defense. Hmm...
Looks like we got Greinke for free after all!
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by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Sort of
More like we got Greinke and 10 yrs added to Escobar.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Cardinals may non-tender Ryan Theriot
Possible INF for Milwaukee?
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Do you want all of the players on the "almost as bad as Yuni" list?
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1) Theriot is way better than Yuni, 2) It's just a utility role
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by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nah, the veteran DH/1B is the guy who backs-up CF
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by SRB on Dec 8, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking that as well
I’d be OK with both Theriot and Punto.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Theriot might be a little too expensive at this point
but Punto would be a nice addition. Heck, I’d even be fine with Bill Hall for the league minimum as long as he’s still got those mad high-five skills.
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Charlie, you don't like Punto, do you?
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
PUNTO!
Banging the Drum for Two Full Seasons™
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~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Get a ife broseph
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~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
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