Rosenthal: Brewers sign Mark Kotsay to major league deal
I have absolutely no idea why they're bumping someone off the 40-man to make room for him.
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If they DFA Yuni
I’ll immediately change positions and call this a good move.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 1, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I will find a suitable laudatory nickname for Doug Melvin if this happens
I mean, we know it’s not going to happen, right? Kotsay would get a nickname along the lines of Mark “Not Yuni” Kotsay.
As I mentioned when the rumors first surfaced, I’ll give Melvin the benefit of the doubt on this one until proven otherwise, because it’s a classic Melvin Scrapheap pick up.
Except it's not.
Giving Edmonds and Loe NRI’s was a classic scrapheap pickup – no risk, just a chance that they’ll perform, and they did.
I have a feeling this is going to turn out like the time Melvin gave Jorge Julio ~$1 million.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I liked Hoolio
but only for his name. I looked Kotsay up and I’m dumbfounded. I mean, as a DH last year he was -0.7 WAR. His last good season was 2004. I’m going to wait until the trade is official, because reports like this can leak as major league contract when in reality they’re just minor league contracts.
It kind of feels like the GMs were sitting around a table playing Old Main and Melvin lost.
Who'd want to trade for Kotsay?
Or anyone else on the Brewers Roster Melvin would want to trade.
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I was asking about this
I’m going to wait until the trade is official, because reports like this can leak as major league contract when in reality they’re just minor league contracts.
Not suggesting that Kotsay has any trade value (I don’t think he does).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I only read every other comment.
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by Mykenk on Feb 1, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Less taxing on the eyes
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Look at that ass
he must work out.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
That'd be a pretty big move
Considering he’s play a single inning wearing a Brewers uniform.
Yes, he’s been historically bad, but to DFA him without even giving him a chance?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Really good question
They have a few guys who could get bumped off, but the bigger question is “why?”.
The only reason I can think of for putting Kotsay on the 40-man roster is that they have intentions of putting him on the 25-man roster. If that’s true, are they planning on going with only one backup OF (Dickerson or Boggs), only one backup IF (Counsell) or only 11 pitchers? I don’t like any of those options.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Well I don't think they're going to use Kotsay as 1B/DH. He'll be the second backup OF.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
What would the bench look like then?
Kotsay, Dickerson, Backup C, Counsell, Cruz?
I don’t have a huge problem with Kotsay fighting Boggs for the 25th spot. I’d probably have a pretty big problem if Kotsay means that Dickerson isn’t on the roster.
Am I missing something here?
Get a ife broseph
yes
Bud Selig authorized Milwaukee to have a 45 man roster and have 40 on the MLB bench in all months EXCEPT september.
20-man SS platoon?
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm guessing:
C – Nieves/Kottaras/Rivera
IF – Counsell
IF – Cruz
OF – Dickerson
OF – Boggs/Kotsay
Hopefully Nieves is the one moved off the 40-man roster to make room.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Maldanado, Nieves or Kottaras would be my guess
Stetter and Egan (Rule 5 guy) a couple other options.
Get a ife broseph
I don't know if they'd bump Nieves, since they signed him this off-season
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah just listing him as an option
Not sure what their thinking would be or how they value the 3 catchers right now
Get a ife broseph
I think signing Nieves was a stupid move, to be honest
but the front office rarely likes to admit to making stupid moves and/or throwing money away.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, they never promised him a roster spot
Otherwise they would dropped Kottaras when he signed. I do think they probably like him better than Kottaras though.
I’m having a hard time getting too worked up about the Kotsay signing. There are guys on the 40 man I’d have no problem dropping, and someone has to be the 5th OF.
Get a ife broseph
I don't think Kotsay can play the outfield
He’d be the Yuniesky Betancourt of the outfield.
Also, I agree re: Nieves, but what’s the point of signing a guy if you’re not going to put him on the roster? I’m fairly certain they’ll owe him a percentage of the contract even if they do cut him prior to the season.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Spring training competition I assume
Gives you a chance to have your coaches work with him, see how he gets along with the pitchers – stuff that teams usually look for out of a backup catcher. The costs is minimal if he doesn’t make the team and worth a shot to see what you have.
I don’t think Kotsay is going to get a ton of time in the OF, more of a Frank Catalanotto role, I’d imagine Dickerson/Gomez is the primary defensive replacement if needed.
I’m not ecstatic about the signing by any means, just don’t think its a big deal.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Feb 1, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a major league deal
which means someone will get cut/exposed/whatever. That’s the big part of the deal, maybe.
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Not really
just more money that didn’t need to get spent, though. Albeit not much.
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Peanuts
Brewers don’t have unlimited funds, but its not like they can’t easily afford to pay a fraction of a minor league players salary to take him off the 40 man.
Get a ife broseph
Nieves wasn't signed to a minor league deal, IIRC
So the $700k or whatever it is will be what they need to pay a fraction of.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Ah whoops
If that’s the case, never mind.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I was talking about Maldando
But if they have to pay a fraction of Nieves, or Boggs’ salary? Whatever.
Get a ife broseph
Yeah
but the timing is so bizarre. Why sign any of those other guys? Whatever.
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This
I’m not outraged, its just baffling. I suppose Melvin needs to have at least one of these every year, even in a fantastic off-season.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
That's true
If he only made good deals, he’d be setting the bar unreasonably high. He needs to make sure he makes some bad or peculiar signings each year. The first time he tried, he overshot with the Gagne contract. Hoolio’s contract at about a $1 million had much the same baffling effect, but for one-tenth the price.
I think he found his price point and went looking for a major league guy willing to sign at $1 million to who’s primary service to the Brewers will be a footnote on the GM’s resumé.
Everyone makes mistakes. No one can tell the future. Look at my transaction history, though. I only spent $1 million in 2009 and 2011 on dead money guys. MY mistakes don’t cost the ball club much money. That’s what separates the good GMs from the great GMs.
-Doug Melvin job interview 201X
He's played in the OF at least one game every season
Not that that’s a ringing endorsement.
However, I’m more comfortable having a defensive liability in one of the corner OF positions than at SS. Besides, I don’t think he’d be getting much playing time in the OF… probably as much as Catalanotto got in 2009.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
We've already got 2 defensive liabilities in the corner OF positions.
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by Mykenk on Feb 1, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think they're looking at Kotsay as a defensive replacement.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Hopefully they're not looking at him a an offensive replacement either
maybe he’s a good cheerleader. We’ve been missing a top of the steps high-5 guy ever since Hall left.
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get out of my head
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
DM did say "veteran leadership"
Maybe he can mentor the guys and provide an occasional AB off the bench.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
If he's going to be showing any players how he's done things
I’d prefer he wasn’t on the team.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Oh come on...
he did have that ONE really good season back in 2004. :)
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I guess you're saying 95% of managers and coaches
Aren’t qualified because they didn’t have tremendous success at the major league level.
by jmeks23 on Feb 1, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
95% of managers and coaches
would probably make poor bench players, that’s right.
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I realize you're being a sarcastic ass
But I was obviously talking about him mentoring the younger players
by jmeks23 on Feb 1, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Flagged as a troll
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah that's what I said, isn't it?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
No, what you were saying was people who aren't talented players can't be mentors/teachers
And that’s just false. I agree with everyone’s sentiment (including yours) that he isn’t that good of a player and adding him really makes no sense other than from a mentor/veteran presence stand point. But saying “If he’s going to be showing any players how he’s done things, I’d prefer he wasn’t on the team.” is saying that just because he isn’t a very talented baseball player means he can’t help any of the younger guys on the team.
Sorry if I’m just letting you know that’s an ignorant statement.
by jmeks23 on Feb 1, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not an ignorant statement.
It’s not good coaching to say “see what I’m doing? Don’t do that”. If they wanted veteran leadership, they should get that in the coaches. Hire Kotsay to be a motivational coach, or something, it’s not the players jobs to lead, it’s the players jobs to play.
What, exactly, has Kotsay done to show that he can (or that he wants to) help the younger players on the team? He’s not getting paid to coach.
If they wanted veteran leadership, as another comment said, they should have signed Yount to play.
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Who says he has to show what he's doing
Just because he may not be the best player doesn’t mean he can’t give a pointer or tip to guy that maybe sets a light off in their head. Sometimes it’s better to hear something from a peer as a opposed to a coach or manager.
I’m not endorsing this move at all (as I’ve said) all I’m saying is that just because Kotsay isn’t good does not mean he can’t help
But that's what I SAID
How are you missing that? You’re taking what I said, and turning it into something different in order to call me ignorant. I’d say you’ve done a good job of using the label, but probably not in the way you intended.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
I literally took your quote from a couple comments above
Not sure how you’re implying I misquoted you. Maybe you were just trying to make a joke, if so that’s fine, but you said if he’s just on the team to be a mentor, then you don’t want him. I don’t see any other reason you could say that other than saying he isn’t a good player, therefore he can’t contribute anything to the younger players. That’s just a false statement, whether you want to sit here and argue about it or not.
Want a prime example? The Milwaukee Brewers new effing manager. Or how about Counsell? Sure he’s had some success, but he’s never been a tremendous player, yet everyone looks up to Counsell on the team and appreciates the things he has to say.
by jmeks23 on Feb 1, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There's no reason to waste a roster spot on
someone who’s only value is is “mentor” ability. Again, that’s what coaches are for. Counsell, as much as I’m not personally a fan, still has some use as a team member, not just a cheerleader.
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Why are you guys missing the fact that I've clearly said I don't care for the Kotsay signing?
I don’t agree with the move or even like it. All I’m arguing here is that just because a player is not good, doesn’t mean he can’t be a mentor.
by jmeks23 on Feb 1, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a load of crap
Here’s what you came into this conversation saying:
I guess you’re saying 95% of managers and coaches
Aren’t qualified because they didn’t have tremendous success at the major league level.
To me, it looks like you wanted to start an argument.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
You turned it into an argument
Obviously I’m not so inclined to research all current managers and coaches playing careers, but I’m guessing the amount of coaches and managers in the majors and minors that weren’t successful ball players is pretty immense.
by jmeks23 on Feb 1, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is where I remember Kyle's front page post and I say
“idiot just does not have a clue”, and walk away.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
All I have to say...
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
by Yar Nivek on Feb 2, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I didn't say you misquoted me
You took what I said, and then you said “what you’re basically saying is this”, which is not what I was basically saying. What I was basically saying, is
If he’s going to be showing any players how he’s done things
I’d prefer he wasn’t on the team.
I was NOT basically saying
saying that just because he isn’t a very talented baseball player means he can’t help any of the younger guys on the team.
So, please refrain from manipulating my phrases in order to call me ignorant.
I’ll leave you with what I didn’t feel I needed to say in this whole conversation, but which mykenk covered:
It’s not an ignorant statement.
It’s not good coaching to say "see what I’m doing? Don’t do that". If they wanted veteran leadership, they should get that in the coaches. Hire Kotsay to be a motivational coach, or something, it’s not the players jobs to lead, it’s the players jobs to play.
What, exactly, has Kotsay done to show that he can (or that he wants to) help the younger players on the team? He’s not getting paid to coach.
If they wanted veteran leadership, as another comment said, they should have signed Yount to play.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
Alright, so if that's not what you're saying
Then what in the world are you trying to say? Please let me know, because you have yet to say anything different or to even try and elaborate on the quote. You know why? Because that clearly IS what you meant, and maybe you’re afraid to get called out on it? Not sure, but I could care less. If you’re so dead set on saying that’s not what you meant, then feel free to prove it.
Also, thanks for posting what mykenk just said a minute, but I already replied to it and feel free to take a look at that if you’d like bud.
by jmeks23 on Feb 1, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Idiot just does not have a clue.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
Counsell actually has value as a player still
A plus defender with decent OBP skills who can play 3 difficult positions has value. A washed up 1B/DH who can’t play defense or hit does not.
Counsell is not a fair comparison at all.
The point was that Counsell has never been a tremendous player (ie a star)
I see your point though.
I will say this however, Kotsay can play 1B, and LF/RF. He’s played CF recently, but I don’t trust him out there.
I think the main thing Doug wanted was a lefty pinch hitter with some power.
Then if you play him once a week or something like that, he gives you a much needed left handed bat at the bottom of the order.
I agree with that mykenk
Just tossin’ that number out there, it will probably be more like what Inglett did. Fill in once every couple weeks or so.
You probably should've let this debate go hours ago.
But bringing up fielding percentage for an outfielder? Now you’re grasping for straws.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
That's his total career fielding percentage
1B and OF. I can’t get a UZR or TZ for his entire career, so I went old fashioned.
And the debate with Marlow is over. I was responding to cwolf
He's not going to play at first unless Prince Fielder is traded, Casey McGehee is dead and Mat Gamel's gone missing.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 1, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hell, anyone of us here can help.
are they gonna waste a roster spot and/or $$ on any of us?
And will anyone see him as a peer? The new guy?
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I've got a lot of job experience in training and leadership
I wonder if they’ll give me $1M. I don’t think I’ll be a useful bat, but I can sure motivate, train, and be a leadership presence.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Not really, have you played in the major leagues?
Or even the minor leagues? Have you grinded through a 162 game grueling schedule? Have you been with a team through good times and bad? Kotsay has, therefore he seems to be quite a bit more credible to get the call.
As far as other players not seeing him as a teammate because he’s a new guy, then I sure feel bad for Saito, Greinke, Marcum, Betancourt, and any other new players added.
by jmeks23 on Feb 1, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah?
So because he’s done it makes him qualified? What if he’s a jerk? Selfish? Doesn’t care about helping younger players? Undermines the management staff by contradicting things that are coached? Establishes bad habits?
You’ve got zero basis for this crap.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
presumably
melvin picked him in part because he heard that he’s a positive clubhouse presence.
I agree that rather than waste a 40 man slot on him, they should just hire him as a coach if they think he’s a good presence, but I think there are a limited number of those allowed in the clubhouse as well. And he could pick up a bat if absolutely needed.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 1, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I understand your point
But when has Mark Kotsay (the guy we’re currently talking about) ever had that wrap? When has he ever been accused of that? Why would Doug Melvin sign him to not only a deal, but a major league deal if Kotsay was like that? Don’t you think someone in the organization would understand that Kotsay was a threat to team morale? I think so.
I just love that you completely ignore my points because you’re getting flustered like a little child. You say all of my posts have no merit, probably without even reading them, then you resort to name calling. Class act. It’s fine if you don’t respect my baseball knowledge (after this I don’t respect yours) but you could at least respect me as a person.
They can't be looking at him as an offensive replacement.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
So, he's the backup...eh...DH/1B?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Yeah baffling to me
Unless they’re thinking about after the trade deadline, or something.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes it is good to be a loser.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Agreed
I’m just trying to sift through any possible rationale. And that’s the only thing that’s even remotely within the ballpark of sanity that I can think of.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think they're going to carry a guy on the roster who probably won't see a single game at 1B as Fielder insurance.
They just think Kotsay can hit better off the bench than Boggs. Neither one is going to see many games in the OF.
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Boggs has never hit.
Plus, Kotsay had an abnormally low BABIP in ’10 and ’07 bringing down his stats.
He’s not very good anymore, but apparently they like him better than Boggs for whatever reason.
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
You just worry that his defensive butcher in the outfield will 150% eradicate anything he could possibly do at the plate.
Thus, 1B/DH.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Not only that
he has less than 175 innings in the outfield over the last two years, with TZ /UZR/150 ratings those years of -5/-34.5 and -3/-67.2. He had close to 900 innings in the outfield in 2008 and put up a -6/-10.7 line, primarily at CF (almost 700 innings with the Braves) where he posted -4/-14.9. I highly doubt they’re running him out there in CF, ever, so if you look at his career numbers in RF, he’s a terrible, terrible defender.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
True.
But he’s going to play what, 10 games at the most? Even with a -15 UZR/150 that’s like one run above replacement lost, which I guess the team thinks he’ll make up for as a pinch-hitter.
If there is an injury requiring a long-term backup in the OF, I imagine they’ll call up Boggs (if he’s not released) or Schafer or somebody.
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
He has a minor league option still, so they can easily just stash him in the minors.
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
The contract they signed him to was a major league contract, per McCalvy
I’m not sure if htey can just send him down or not.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah? Why not just release him
if they’re paying him a big league salary anyway?
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Depth
And I think Boggs was signed to a minor league contract.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Cots disagress, but whatever.
They can still send him to the minors at basically no cost.
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I thought I had read big league deal, but I checked Cot's too
who knows. Hopefully neither guy makes the team in any significant way.
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Major league deal
The Brewers today signed switch-hitting outfielder Brandon Boggs to a one-year, Major League contract. A former fourth-round Draft pick of the Rangers, he appeared in 114 big league games over the past three seasons with Texas and batted .212 with eight home runs and 41 RBIs in 307 at-bats.
This has been talked about ad nauseum, but I suppose we might as well bring it up again.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think they have this guy
his name is Replacement Player, and he lives in the minor league system.
“Veteran Leadership” is also Craig Counsell’s name. So its pretty unnecessary, in my opinion.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Counsell will be too busy playing SS to provide "veteran leadership"
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Apparently.
I didn’t know playing and leading were mutually exclusive.
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by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
They're not
My post was in jest.
I have no idea what Kotsay is bringing to the table that the current roster didn’t already have.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
As the Onion A.V. Club would put it
Easily the least essential move of the offseason.
What the crap?
maybe corey hart really did break his leg
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 1, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
can people be on the 60 day DL yet?
if not, what’s the first day that’s allowed? when P&C report? how many days until then? Any chance they’ll delay Kotsay’s contract until that date?
TH has more info
Brewers think they have a championship contender for 2011 and want experience on the bench. Thus, the pending deal with Mark Kotsay.
Experience on the bench? Why not sign Robin Yount if all you want is big league experience on the bench?
by ecocd on Feb 1, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
TH confirmed with DM
Again from THwitter:
Brewers GM Doug Melvin, who is in the Dominican Republic, said details of Kotsay deal aren’t finished. Player must come off 40-man, also.
Thumbs up to him being in the DR. But I hope he doesn’t find another Rolando Pascual http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=pascua001rol
I did too.
I the title made my chuckle.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Feb 1, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't seem that baffling to me.
The organization thinks Kotsay is a better PH option than Boggs.
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
To prevent squirrels from eating the bird seeds?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Feb 1, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There's no way that works
The next photo in the sequence would show the squirrel sitting on top of the cone happy chewing on seeds.
by ecocd on Feb 1, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're missing the wires on the backside of the pole
which has a car battery hooked up to the baffle.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Which the squirrel will hot wire into a hibachi
And invite all of his squirrel friends over for a bird seed barbecue.
So why not sign Kotsay before Boggs... or Nieves... or the other guys they filled the 40 man with?
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Beats me.
Teams sign and release fringe guys in the offseason all the time though.
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They don't mess with the 40 man much, though.
I mean, in theory, everyone is on the 40 man for a reason, otherwise they wouldn’t bother with the promotion, right?
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True
But some guys just haven’t been bumped when they could have been.
For instance, Stetter was on the 40 because they didn’t have a reason to bump him off after he was demoted last season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yeah
but guys were added seemingly for the sake of filling it, which I don’t think is required, is it?
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Not sure what's going on.
There haven’t been many guys promoted to the 40-man roster from within the organization.
The FAs that were signed this offseason took up most of the spots left open by players no longer with the organization.
I don’t know if anyone can really explain the Kotsay signing (if it happens).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
People who I wouldn't care if were released from the 40 man:
Nieves/Kottaras/Maldanado
Green
James
Mercedes
Stetter.
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Meh, big deal.
Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, Wolf, Narv-Dog. Suck on THAT egg, a-holes!
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 1, 2011 4:46 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I'll second your 'meh.'
The last guy on the 40-man roster? Whatevs.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
Eggsactly
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 1, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
Somewhere, Jeremy Reed is pissed.
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by Mykenk on Feb 1, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Jeremy Reed is going to be the Chris Duffy to Kotsay's Trot Nixon.
And if that holds, neither of them will be relevant.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 1, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Seeing Gamel at On Deck was weird
He’s not tall, and has a massive head.
Greinke’s pretty small, too. Am I a giant?
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 1, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
Giant test: did Kameron Loe appear small as well?
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
I don't recall seeing Loe.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 1, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
As far as this giant test is concerned,
you cannot use Loe.
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by Yar Nivek on Feb 1, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Send in Loe!
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 1, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You might be
Gamel is listed as 6 feet and 200 lbs, and Greinke at 6’2" and 190 lbs.
If you think both are small, then you are indeed a giant of a man.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
If it makes you feel better
I once saw Gilbert Brown and immediately thought that he is much smaller in real life.
by BrewCrewBrian on Feb 3, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldnt be able to say, I have never stood next to one...
If I ever did, I probably wouldnt be around to talk about it.
by BrewCrewBrian on Feb 4, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
just be sure where the nearest sturdy tree is
my wife had to climb a couple due to a rhino.
If you don’t surprise them, they’ll just avoid you though. usually.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 4, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
three cheers
Does that mean we can post gratuitous pictures of his wife now?
It all makes sense now!
He is this years Matt Treanor! The designated hot WAG of spring training!
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by Jeo on Feb 1, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
I hear
that Kotsay’s wife just had Lasik surgery.
Celebrating the addition of Greinke and mourning the loss of my man crush Cain
She also fixed a mechanical flaw that was hampering her hotness the last few years
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by Jeo on Feb 3, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know why they don't just bring back Joe Inglett
He can play some IF and some OF and even though he doesn’t have that good of power, he still was a very good PH. Plus, hitting triples and doubles may not be as flashy as HR’s but it’s still very productive.
zing!
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~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 1, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Kotsay's AVG/OBP the last four years corrected to his career BABIP (.297):
2010: .281/.345
2009: .283/.332
2008: .276/.329
2007: .272/.332
For a guy who can’t field it’s kind of meh, but whatever.
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Considering he's old though it would be logical to expect his BABIP to go down pretty drastically
He probably can’t hit the ball as hard as he used to. And considering he’ll be paid the same as Nick Punto this is kinda making me angry.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I think you're right, it looks like his xBABIP was super low last season too, though he still underperformed it.
Seems like kind of a lateral move (Boggs → Kotsay) to me though, so I can’t really get worked up about it. Wil Nieves is going to be paid the same as Punto if he makes the roster too; there’s probably always going to be some signings that we wish the Brewers had made.
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by SRB on Feb 2, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
There are way too many posts in here for a fanshot re: Mark Kotsay.
I blame The Blizzard.
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You control the weather?
Thanks for taking out the press box at Wrigley!
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by molitorfan on Feb 3, 2011 6:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
40 man
Kottaras can go. Teflon at the plate and doesn’t throw out many runners. Would prefer to see him go for kotsay to get a spot.
Tim Bring back the chalet,frank charles at the wurlitzer organ, bob betts at the mic, and the barrell man logo!!!!
Noo! Kottaras is awesome.
I really hope it’s Lucroy/Kottaras in the 25-man again this season.
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
I love Kottaras' power off the bench
But his average, and lack of defense overall at the catcher’s position scares me.
Nieves is certainly a defensive upgrade, but he couldn’t even make it in Washington, and then you have Mike Rivera who played like 28 games in 2 years here while backing up Kendall. He played pretty well in those games, but it just worries me to think about how he might perform given like 30-50 starts. My guess is a lot worse.
I don't get it.
We have a plethora of corner OF guys and we go sign one who not only can’t hit but can’t defend either. Even if Hart or Braun get hurt Gamel is likely as good or better a choice to play a corner OF spot than Kotsay. Does DM realize what we really need is a SS?
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Maybe he's still get something under his sleeve on that one.
Or they’ll be relying heavily on Counsell and Cruz if Betancourt fails.
probably
but as this is an all-in year, if he’d be the best PH off the bench, I’d want him in that role. Screw his development…he’ll not be worth much in a trade at this point and we have no shot of competing beyond 2012 anyway.
He doesn’t seem to be the best PH around though, so he should at least start the year in AAA. And if he’s in AAA, he’d damn well better play in every game.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 2, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, what development does Gamel have left?
Guy is 25 years old and this will be his 7th year in the minor league system.
Get a ife broseph
"we have no shot of competing beyond 2012"
I remember when we had no shot of competing in 2011.
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by SRB on Feb 2, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm curious.
I don’t dare tread this ground myself, but what is Old Vegas saying about this?
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They seem to like it a lot.
Several of them want Dickerson to be DFA’d now. I didn’t wear my shades and now I am angry.
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by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 3, 2011 7:57 AM CST up reply actions
They are excited
about the upcoming release of Chrystal Pepsi.
Celebrating the addition of Greinke and mourning the loss of my man crush Cain
I would like a LOOGY on the roster if the Brewers and Phillies make the playoffs.
by BrewCrewBrian on Feb 3, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah definitely
Would also be nice to have one when rosters expand in September
Get a ife broseph
...and in system (or on 40 man) prior to Sept
so he can be on the playoff roster if desired (assuming a 60 day DL slot is available)
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 3, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Can't imagine that would be an issue
The 40 man will change quite a bit between the start of the season and September.
Get a ife broseph
right
I’m just saying that guys like Todd Coffey and Mike Lamb would be ineligible (in the years that we acquired them).
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 3, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
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