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Spring Training Roster Battles: Position Players

It's a beautiful time of the year--we're in the last weekend before spring training officially opens!  The Brewers are one of the more set rosters in the league and it would be surprising to see any major changes, barring injury (knock on wood), but there are a few positions where players will be fighting for a spot.  Let's take a look-see at what battles will be going on in Maryvale, starting with the position players today and pitchers at a later time.

Back-up Catcher

Jonathon LuCroy is the starter at catcher, and almost certainly will stay in that role opening day.  George Kottaras, however, might lose the backup role he filled in 2010, despite hitting nine home runs in just 68 games (250 at bats) and having a .701 OPS.  Even with an awful .203 batting average, the Grecian Sensation had the seventeenth highest wOBA amongst catchers with at least 250 at bats--ahead of Russell Martin, Chris Snyder, AJ Pierzynski, Matt Wieters, Yadier Molina, and Ronny Paulino amongst others.  He was about as good as you could hope for from a backup catcher offensively.  Kottaras's defense, on the other hand, has been widely panned and tradition is that teams usually look for defense first from their backup.  The competition is primarily going to come from Wil Nieves, with Martin Maldonado being the only other catcher on the 40 man roster.  Nieves comes over to the Brewers from the Washington Nationals, where he put up the exact same batting average as Kottaras in 2010.  Despite that, Nieves is clearly the inferior hitter with a .227/.273/.297 career slash line, an OPS that is .128 lower than what Kottaras has managed to put up over his career.  Nieves, though, has often been praised as a very good (or at least above average) defensive backstop.  Maldonado has been in the Brewers minor leagues since 2008, splitting last year between Brevard County, Huntsville and Nashville with a .239/.310/.374  slash line.  He has a career line of .225/.300/.303.  Personally, I would prefer Kottaras to reprise his 2010 role.  I like his bat off the bench and feel his clear offensive value makes him more valuable than Nieves, despite his poor defense.

Shortstop/Backup Infield

Craig Counsell is going to be on the team, so we don't really have to worry about him.  It's the other infield bench spot that is in a bit of a flux.  Doug Melvin has publicly stated that Yuniesky Betancourt is the de facto starting shortstop, though I'm not sure I believe him.  If Luis Cruz and Betancourt play similarly during spring, than I think Yuni will be the starter out of spring training.  Of course, Counsell could always commandeer plenty of starts over the season, or there could be a platoon.  By now, we are all pretty well versed in each players talents.  Yuni might actually be the best offensive player of the bunch, depending on what kind of year the Deity has.  Last year, Betancourt had a .009 higher wOBA due to his power surge, though Counsell had a much better 2009 in what was a resurgence year for him.  Luis Cruz is the best defensive player out of the three, but is also the worst hitter.  Cruz has a career .242 wOBA in just 169 major league plate appearances and hasn't done much better in the minors.  Last year in Nashville, he had a .281/.309/.414.  Both Cruz and Counsell can play 2B/3B/SS, but Betancourt has played just nine games at a position other than shortstop when he played second for the Mariners in 2005.  Of course, there is always Mat Gamel waiting in the wings, too, but he can't even play his natural third base so his only value on the bench would be as a pinch hitter.  With Mark Kotsay already being touted as the primary pinch hitter, it seems likely Gamel will head to Nashville yet again.

Outfield/Center Field

After trading Lorenzo Cain, it looks like Carlos Gomez is going to get another shot at starting in a major league outfield.  If only he could figure out how to take a few walks, that would be a lot more appealing.  As it stands, Gomez's defense will keep him a fairly valuable player though I could see a strong spring from Chris Dickerson paired with an awful spring from Gomez causing the Brewers to change their plans.  Dickerson has been a favorite of mine since the Brewers traded Jim Edmonds for him last year.  He doesn't have a lot of pop in his bat, but he gets on base at a fairly high rate (.356 career OBP).  In addition, in a small sample size Dickerson has had an incredible UZR/150 (41.5 career UZR/150 in CF).  He's probably not as good as UZR indicates, but I think it's safe to say that he is likely an above average defensive player.  Personally, I would like to see Dickerson in center field to start the year but I doubt the Brewers go that route.  Dickerson might not even make the team at this point as there is only one bench spot available in the outfield if we assume that Kotsay and Gomez make the team, which I think is a safe assumption.  That leaves Dickerson, Brandon Boggs, and Jeremy Reed to fight for that one spot.  Reed, being a non-roster invite, likely has the biggest disadvantage though if the Brewers prefer him they could always release Boggs or Dickerson and put Reed on the 40 man roster.  Reed has not been a good hitter in his career but has been above average defensively whereas Boggs has hit very well in the minor leagues but has been well below average defensively in an extremely small major league sample size.  I'm hoping that Dickerson takes the final bench spot and is the first outfielder off the bench and I hope that the Brewers can manage to keep Boggs as an outfielder in Nashville.  One mustn't discount that Boggs has spent his entire career in the Rangers organization, which we all know Doug Melvin loves.

It's nice that the few position battles the Brewers have are likely for bench roles.  That's a good sign of a stable team.  Personally, I'm most interested in seeing how the shortstops play, particularly Yuni and Cruz. 

Scratch that, personally, I'm just most interested in seeing the Brewers doing baseball things again.

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I disagree with the assumption that Lucroy is the automatic starter. While Lucroy may very well be the starter on paper, he is still fresh at the big team level and can very well have the starting position taken from him in spring training. Remember the old saying, “that’s why they play the game,” well that’s why they have spring training.

by allprospect1time on Feb 12, 2011 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

Well, then we're pretty much screwed at the position then.

Lucroy, while raw, is still about a zillion times better than the other 3. He also can’t be a bench player. He’s the starter, not because there aren’t any other reasonable options, but because he’s the best option.

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by Mykenk on Feb 12, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Nieves would have to bat 1.000 with every hit being a HR to beat out Lucroy in ST

And even then I would be against it.

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by SRB on Feb 12, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Jonathon LuCroy

Raise a glass. Here’s to an extra special season for a former Ragin’ Cajun. He will not only do a fine job as starting catcher, he will have the best season of his career. Cheers!
“Lache pas la patate, Jonathon.”

Now, relax and go on back to your lives.

"Relax, have a homebrew."

by CajunCavern on Feb 12, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to be in New Orleans for the summer

and I can’t wait to listen to baseball outside in the twilight when it’s still a billion degrees out. Heaven.

Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.

by theBrouhaha on Feb 12, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm betting on Kottaras

Randy Wolf likes the way he calls a game

by nullacct on Feb 12, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Shortstop

How far out of the question would a trade of Corey Hart for Michael Young be? The money is close to matching up, and the Brewers could either move Gamel to right, or sign a Scott Podsednik to leadoff while moving Weeks down into a more power productive position in the lineup.

by Lewthelegend on Feb 12, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

Michael Young is an average hitter with terrible defense.

That would be an upgrade over Betancourt, but not if it costs $44MM and three years more. Corey Hart is going to make $26.5MM over the same time, so those contracts aren’t really that close to matching up. Hart is probably more valuable than Young at that point. I can see how Young might be appealing, but I think that would be a very bad move by the Brewers.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 12, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

No he would start

Over Betancourt. And Texas is going to have to give up money either way to deal Young who obviously wants out, so the money matches up much better than the 44MM to 26.5 MM than a straight swap.

He was also a gold glove shortstop before moving over to third. He would be an offensive and defensive upgrade over Betancourt, much more so than what dropoff there would be with moving Hart.

by Lewthelegend on Feb 12, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Gold Glove does not mean good defense.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 12, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Did not know

His career UZR was that bad. I concede defeat.

Part of me is just looking for a way to get Podsednik back in Milwaukee. Love that guy.

by Lewthelegend on Feb 12, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Podsednik at SS.

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by SRB on Feb 12, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone is forgetting Mike Rivera

He is, I think, more likely to win the spot over Nieves

by jrjanowi on Feb 12, 2011 12:30 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I, too, always liked Rivera.

On another note, Sporting News just released their offseason grades. Brewers and the Red Sox were the only teams to receive an A.

by kgaul on Feb 12, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree

Rivera sucks. There’s a reason he was stuck in AA most of last year.

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by Mykenk on Feb 12, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Is RR opposed to putting in a backup catcher to hit?

I want to see if this sways my opinion on how valuable this spot is. On its face, it is really important because they usually see action 1 out of 5 games. I guess what I am getting at is whether or not they will go with more offense as opposed to more defense at that spot.

by Bush League All Star on Feb 12, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions  

One thing going against Kottaras is that he would make 4/5 bench players LHB, with the only RHB being Luis Cruz (not much of a PH option). Hopefully if they want the RHB they go with Rivera and not Nieves though.

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by SRB on Feb 12, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

(Assuming Counsell/Cruz/Dickerson/Kotsay)

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by SRB on Feb 12, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

They don't look that bad to me.

Since 2002, there is only one hitter with a lower wOBA in as many major league PA as Wil Nieves, and I haven’t seen a catchers defense metric that considers him any better than average defensively.

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by SRB on Feb 12, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

dammit

How’s Rivera’s defense? I anticipate absolutely zero offensive production out of either of them, and I don’t see any evidence as to why I should.

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by Mykenk on Feb 12, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Floating around average, not that there are any good metrics for catchers' defense.

I think you’re being too hard on Rivera offensively though. Last season he spent most of the year at AA but he had a .358 wOBA there. Before that he was very solid offensively for the Brewers (‘06-’09) and overall he has a career .293 wOBA in the majors.

That’s not exactly lighting the world on fire, but it’s solid enough for a backup catcher. In comparision, Nieves’ career wOBA in the majors is .252 (horrendous).

Nonetheless, I still prefer Kottaras of the three.

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by SRB on Feb 12, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Kottaras is the clear choice, agreed.

I don’t want Rivera or Nieves, didn’t mean to imply that I did. Nieves always sucks, as you said, and Riveras production has fallen off a cliff since 2007. Neither seem to be viable options to back up a sophomore catcher. Shoulda resigned Zaun.

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by Mykenk on Feb 12, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

In his 374 PA for the Brewers, he hit .260/.333/.423/.756 for a .325 wOBA, which is right around a league average hitter and not too shabby for a backup catcher.

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by SRB on Feb 12, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

but that was 3 years ago, and he’s done nothing since, except beat up on AA pitching, then show absolutely nothing at the AAA/MLB level after that. I know he used to be a solid backup catcher, I just don’t see any evidence that he is anymore.

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by Mykenk on Feb 12, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

who should make the team over a used up sack of garbage like Kotsay.

by Braunstalker on Feb 12, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe.

Neither of them are very good. Can Boggs play 1st?

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by Mykenk on Feb 12, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

McGehee can

The one day of the year that Prince needs a day off. Cruz or Counsell can play third that day. I see no need for someone that can back up first base.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 12, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay...

so it’s Kotsay who sucks vs. Boggs who sucks. whatever.

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by Mykenk on Feb 12, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Boggs has put up really impressive numbers in the minors.

He’s still only 28 and has a much better upside. Kotsay has the “experience” but I would say that Boggs would, at the very least, play just as well as Kotsay will. But shruggity, right?

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 12, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

but veteran leadership, and what not. #rolleyes

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by Mykenk on Feb 12, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Out of 1152 players

ranked by Yahoo Fantasy Baseball, Brandon Boggs rates as number 1152. Of course, such a simplistic tool as 5×5 fantasy stats can’t really capture the brilliance of Boggs…

Ready and able to turn any discussion into one about Russell Oles Branyan...

by MrLeam on Feb 13, 2011 6:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes I read Rambling Al to see what the opposite version of me would say, about pretty much everything

Confirmed:

I’m telling you, the level of nerddom to come up with something like this…and then think it;s easier to read than, you know, the actual standings, is painfully inept.

Know what Josh? Shut up and go talk to a girl.

This one linked a post on Fangraphs showing a cool visualization of games behind/ahead in the division to zero, as a GIF over time. Really cool stuff. Uncalled for.

Then this:

I did not want to put it in the other post stressing the positives, but allow me to say, the idea the students came on the court after winning a game in which the Badgers were favored pretty much tells you the intelligence level of the average 19 year-old. Idiots.

It really is sad that we not only tolerate irresponsible behavior from this age group, but promote it by showing these taxpayer draining leeches trespassing.

Ahahahahaha. I used to vehemently disagree with the guy but have respect for him. Not the case anymore. No qualms about saying he’s a ignorant bigot, as well as pretty lacking in intelligence.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 12, 2011 9:37 PM CST reply actions  

Don't worry about it.

You’re not old enough to know what you’re doing anyway, youngster.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 12, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha, were you at the game yesterday?

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 13, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah, I don't have basketball tickets.

I’ve been able to go to a couple because I was doing play by play for WSUM, but I’m not a big enough fan of basketball to justify spending the money on tickets. That being said, I definitely watched the game on TV—it was pretty awesome. I thought for sure that Ohio St. was going to break their losing streak at the Kohl Center, especially at the start of the second half. But oh man Jordan Taylor. Were you there?

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 13, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was incredible

Which is why I took such an issue with the comment I linked above. Down 15 and in the situation they were, who cares if Vegas odds put them as a slight favorite going into the game. Rushing the court was awesome, and anyone who says it was an embarrassment has never been in that situation themselves. The fact that he used it to rip younger people’s intelligence just made it worse. That was remarkably fun.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 13, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm more bummed I wasn't at the Wisconsin-Ohio St football game.

I had football tickets, but I work in catering at the union and got scheduled that night

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 13, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

That's disappointing

I was there as well, got there late though so I don’t get to rush the field on that one. Had to buy a ticket of course but I got it pretty reasonably from a friend who couldn’t go… I’ve been pretty fortunate.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 13, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't even find a decent buyer for my ticket.

I had about a week and ended up getting, I think, $40 for it. For that game, I should have been able to get at least $100. Oh well, hopefully I’ll get another chance.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 13, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop trespassing in the Spring Training thread!!!

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by SRB on Feb 12, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Could you give links to the non-AL stuff.

I hate going to Al’s site and running up his views and his ego.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 13, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

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