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We've waited, we've waited, we've taken a break to watch the Super Bowl and then waited some more, and the moment is finally here: Today, Brewer pitchers and catchers report to Maryvale and the 2011 season is underway. Here's our first collection of spring training notes:

It's possible we'll have big news yet today or tomorrow: Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Brewers and Rickie Weeks are discussing a long term deal, somewhere between three and five years. If the two sides are going to work out a deal they'd most likely want to get it done before Weeks' arbitration hearing tomorrow.

If the two sides are unable to reach a deal, signs point towards Weeks having a good chance of winning his arbitration hearing. One of his comparable players, Diamondbacks 2B Kelly Johnson, avoided arbitration by signing a $5.85 million deal yesterday. That's $250,000 above the midpoint between his $6.5 million request and the team's $4.7 million offer.

If the rumors do turn out to be correct and the Brewers are considering giving Weeks a five year deal, odds are we'll have this conversation in depth multiple times later this week: Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar looks at the perils of committing that much money to a player with a history of health issues.

Of course, Weeks could be well worth the money if he stays healthy: Larry Dobrow of CBS Sports listed Weeks as baseball's 49th best player for the 2011 season. Ryan Braun (#14) and Prince Fielder (#18) also made the list, while Yovani Gallardo, Shaun Marcum and Zack Greinke missed the cut.

If he's not already there, Shaun Marcum should be one of the Brewers reporting to Maryvale for the first time today. David Wade of The Hardball Times has a look at Marcum's traditionally low WHIP, and makes a case for it to continue.

As has typically been the case this winter, Yuniesky Betancourt is the rain on our sunny day: Beyond the Box Score notes that Betancourt has made 3057 career plate appearances but still has fewer walks (104) than Barry Bonds' IBB total from 2004.

In the minors: Today's Prospect Madness matchup at Bernie's Crew features Logan Schafer and Josh Butler.

Now that pitchers and catchers have reported to camp, we have a couple of weeks to kill before spring training games start. If you're looking for something to do this Friday, the Milwaukee Admirals are giving away Bob Uecker bobbleheads.

Speaking of bobbleheads, you have until 6 pm today to sign up to win a prize package featuring a Prince Fielder bobblehead from the Nashville Sounds. You can also still sign up to win four sets of undated ticket vouchers from the Wisconsin Timber Rattlers. Congratulations to RahRahBullCrap, who won a Huntsville Stars autographed baseball in yesterday's drawing.

This week's edition of A Simple Kind of Fan is a bit navel-gazing, but contains a valid point: Proofreading your own work is hard. Thankfully, I have you to re-proofread my stuff for me: Nothing keeps my ego in check quite like being told about what I got wrong every day.

Around baseball:

Cubs: Acquired pitcher Robert Coelle from the Red Sox for a minor leaguer.
Mets: Signed pitcher Jason Isringhausen to a minor league deal.
Nationals: Designated pitcher Luis Atilano for assignment.
Phillies: Claimed pitcher Brian Schlitter off waivers from the Yankees and designated pitcher Andrew Carpenter for assignment.

Today in former Brewers:

Before pitchers and catchers report, it's important that we establish some groundrules: Dayn Perry of NotGraphs tackled an important topic: When you are (or are not) allowed to refer to a team as "we."

One of the things I intended to do this offseason but didn't make happen was a crowdsourced BCB Travel Guide. I suppose it still could happen at some point. In the meantime, Beyond the Box Score has some charts you should see if you're planning on hitting the road this season.

Here are today's spring training slices of life:

Today's coolest sabermetric note: Mike Fast of Baseball Prospectus has a look at the role of the catcher in determining whether or not pitches will be called strikes.

On this day in 1980, Brewer coach Harvey Kuenn had his right leg amputated below the knee after four unsuccessful attempts to remove a blood clot. Kuenn, a West Allis native and UW-Madison alum, would go on to manage the Brewers in 1982 and '83, going 160-118 and making the franchise's only World Series appearance.

With help from the B-Ref Play Index, happy birthday today to 1975-76 Brewer Bobby Darwin, who turns 68.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a tennis match to finish.

Drink up.

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Looking forward to my Uecker bobble. I guess I qualify to refer to the Brewers as “we”.

by KRaw on Feb 16, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

I unfortunately, do not

I have yet to cry or consider self-secrifice because of the Brewers.

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on Feb 16, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, I don't either.

Which is good, because I still intend to make fun of people who do.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Feb 16, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I asked about this years ago on this board

the general feeling was that “we” is fine. I care about the team’s performance and I feel invested in the team, regardless of whether I have a real stake in the team’s performance.

My wife can tell you that I’m grumpy when the Brewers lose a game and I’m happy when they win. Sure, the mood only lasts for about 15-20 minutes after the game, but it’s enough that she could track their W/L percentage pretty well from my mood alone. For better or for worse, I’m emotionally invested in the Brewers’ performance.

I’m not dumb enough to think that I could walk into the locker room and feel like I am part of the team, but when the game is on the line it sure feels like I have something riding on the outcome. Isn’t that enough?

by ecocd on Feb 16, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I usually call them 'them'

…But admittedly will throw out a ‘we’ or ‘us’ out there on occasion, especially after some of the more… jubilant tailgating sessions. Now I can no longer feel ashamed. The Internets said I could.

by KRaw on Feb 16, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

what if you just own a share?

while the brewers are my favorite team, i own a share of packers stock.

by Capt Science on Feb 16, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

well, i figured the cost

was about as much as any thing else i’d put on my wall, plus i purchased the right to say “we”

by Capt Science on Feb 16, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I also own a share

One mans trash is another mans treasure

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by Jeo on Feb 16, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Just Curious

As a stock owner, is it true that you can buy a super bowl ring?

Time for Braun to put on the title belt.

by drezdn on Feb 16, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

they did it in the past

here’s a pic of the ’96 ladies shareholder ring that went to auction recently.

i became a shareholder in an offering after that, so i sure hope they let us in this time. i would totally waste my money on that. (well, maybe not a ladies one…)

by Capt Science on Feb 16, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I buy the tickets that pay their salaries. I own more than my share of licensed merchandise that funds the team. I have a deeper emotional investment in the team than some players have had over the years (Chuckie Carr comes to mind). Who do the players thank first? The guy that signs their check or the people who pay them? They are mine as much as they are MA’s, and that goes for every fan who sinks their money into the team.

For the sake of logical deconstruction: you can make a similar argument for the feeling of ownership over, say, a strip club, depending upon the individual in question, haha.

by mpbMKE on Feb 16, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

That's just it, though.

There’s a sports bar in town where I go every Friday for lunch. I spend a fair amount of money there. I’d be very disappointed if they closed and/or made significant alterations to staff/menu. But people would laugh at me if, when discussing the place, I referred to it as “we.”

I recognize that people treat sports teams as different from normal businesses, but I think the analogy holds.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Feb 16, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Do they yell "Kyle!" when you walk in?

And then the bartender calls you “Mr. Lobner?” At that point, you can refer to the bar as “we.”

by ecocd on Feb 16, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the difference comes with the competition

I am definitely guilty of using we but most of the time its when I am talking to fans of other teams.

I am guessing there isn’t another sports bar in town that one of your good friends goes to every Friday for lunch and then you two argue about the merits of the two.

Friend 1: “Bww sucks!”
Friend 2: “No way man we just got a new chicken sandwhich that is so much better than anything your aCrapplebees is throwing out there!”

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by Jeo on Feb 16, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Shouldn't "sports bar" be in quotes?

Or was that last part that mpbMKE mentioned not applicable? :)

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Feb 16, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure if this has already been posted somewhere

But this clip of Rick Peterson talking about John Axford’s mechanics and the changes implemented over the season is something I found really interesting: http://www.ontheblack.com/2011/02/13/bloomberg-sports-pro-product-rick-peterson-on-john-axford/

Of course, I doubt it really is Peterson as there is no mention of his hand-on-shoulder move and he appear without jacket (!!!) but is interesting nonetheless. And, funnily enough, there’s no mention of how he managed to turn around Jeff Suppan’s mechanics, stop Doug Davis getting injured or sort out the enigma wrapped in a mystery that is Manny Parra.

Ready and able to turn any discussion into one about Russell Oles Branyan...

by MrLeam on Feb 16, 2011 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

naval- gazing

I learned a new phrase and it is incredibly accurate.

glass slippers???? I always drank out of a gold and ruby laced chalice that was served by Theodore, my butler.

by Brew Town Boozer on Feb 16, 2011 7:32 PM CST reply actions  

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