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Some things to read while climbing the stairs for days. (h/t @ACChapdelaine)

The Brewer clubhouse staff is likely making room for one more player this morning: Late last night the Brewers acquired outfielder Brett Carroll from the Royals for cash considerations (FanShot). Carroll, who is 28, has spent parts of the last four seasons with the Marlins and is a career .205/.284/.325 hitter. Toby Harrmann of Brewerfan.net says he's "regarded as a very good defender with a strong arm."

At any rate, Carroll will be in camp on a minor league deal and unless he experiences a sudden epiphany at the plate he's likely ticketed for Nashville, where he might keep a spot warm until Logan Schafer is healthy.

Royals Review has the best take I've seen on the deal, noting the somewhat ethereal notion of cash considerations:

It is not known whether that cash is in all coins, a mix of coins and bills, or is simply imaginary.

The Brewers are continuing to look at external options to fill the fifth spot in the rotation, and yesterday a new possibility entered the discussion. Kevin Slowey of the Twins has been informed that he's not going to open the season in their rotation, and Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar thinks the Brewers should target him. Here's a little more about him:

MLB Trade Rumors is also listing the Brewers as the top candidate to acquire Rodrigo Lopez from the Braves.

Meanwhile, an internal candidate has made things a little more interesting. Marco Estrada started in place of Wily Peralta yesterday and pitched 4.1 scoreless innings, likely earning another start. Given that he more or less disappeared after an injury last season and I didn't even know he was with the team until the first time he appeared in a spring game, the fact that he's close to being named the fifth starter is pretty astonishing.

The organization made one more roster move yesterday, optioning Mat Gamel back to AAA (FanShot). This is Gamel's final option year, and Michael Hunt reports he'll be spending it learning to play first baseTheJay wonders what that means for Erick Almonte, who was probably going to fill that position if he didn't make the team.

The Brewers put a close approximation of the likely Opening Day lineup on the field yesterday, and Mark Kotsay got the start in right over Chris Dickerson. Vaughn's Valley wonders if Dickerson should get a chance to start.

Other notes from the field:

John Axford appears to have shaken off some of his early spring struggles (knock on wood). The Ghost of Moonlight Graham listed him as the key to the 2011 Brewers.

While I'm out snowblowing what appears to be a foot of white death from my driveway this morning, I'll be taking comfort in the fact that Opening Day is only a little more than a week away, and the home opener is only a few days after that. If you need the advice, One-Man Sausage Fest has a guide to not becoming that guy passed out next to a pool of his own vomit.

This year's home opener will be the eleventh at Miller Park. Don Walker of the JS notes that the first ten seasons at Miller Park have sold an average of 925,000 more tickets than the final ten seasons at County Stadium, despite the fact that the Brewers have won less often (.460 winning percentage vs .477) over that time.

I'm a couple of days behind on this, but Doug Melvin was a guest on Brian Kenny's show on ESPN Radio on Monday and you can hear the interview here.

Around baseball:

Pirates: Released pitcher Fernando Nieve.

Today in former Brewers:

  • The B-Ref Blog has a list of 27 pitchers who received a loss in at least five quality starts in 2010. Would you have guessed that Dave Bush is the only Brewer on the list?
  • MLB Trade Trees has their most interesting Brewer tree to date: A look at the 20-year legacy of the Gary Sheffield deal.
  • Speaking of interesting charts and graphs, Bill Petti of Beyond the Box Score has one about the 25 inning game the Brewers and White Sox played on May 8, 1984.
  • Bucs Dugout noted that Jorge Julio, previously believed to be in minor league camp with the Pirates, actually had his contract rescinded after he failed a physical.

The current stretch of spring training is frequently referred to as the "Dead Arm" period, but that's not really anatomically correct. Thankfully, SBNation.com has Jeff Sullivan considering alternatives.

As you plan your summer activities this year, remember to bring lots of sunscreen and a bottle of Joe West repellent. Today's episode of The Adventures of Joe West shows baseball's laughingstock esteemed umpire ejecting kids from a tube.

With help from Brewerfan.net and the B-Ref Play Index, happy birthday today to:

Also, happy birthday to BCB's tenderest (fantasy) lover Hyatt, who turns 30.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to update my calendar.

Drink up.

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Finally, something to look forward to
The process is long for him. Dickerson proudly maintains a playlist of only potential walk-up songs on his iPad.

"Right now, I think it’s going to be ‘Words I Never Said’ by Lupe Fiasco," he said.

Yep, I’m on board with Mr. Dickerson getting lots of ABs.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 23, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Nod

I’m not actually sure which part of the song he thinks would make good walkup music, but I’m eager to hear it.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 23, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want someone who starts off the season slowly

to change their walkup music to “Give up the Funk” by P-Funk/Parliament

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 23, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well now that would be a bold move

I’m usually intrigued by what Braun breaks out for the new season but C-Dick may be the new leader in intrigue.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Mar 23, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Slowey

Now that would be an interesting pickup. Not sure what the Twins want for him, but he’d be a great #4 or #5 starter. He’s due $2.7M this season, but won’t be a FA until after the 2013 season. He’d be great for depth and maybe even a potential to be in the rotation next season.

Granted, Estrada might be able to fill that role as well and would be an even cheaper option.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Depends on what the Twins want

If they want that veteran leadership, we’ve got a Kotsay behind curtain #1. Otherwise, if they want youth, there’s also Gamel… plus he’d be perfect in the AL where he could display his defense skills at DH.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

but i don't want to trade gamel

i think he can be fine at 1b next year. and have the twins even said they’d trade slowey? they probably figure to slot him back in as soon as they trade liriano, no?

by Capt Science on Mar 23, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slowey is staying in MN

He’s been an effective bottom rotation guy for them. If they would want to trade, the crew has nothing of interest to them. They would want more than just Gamel, and I’m not ready for them to part with our only decent 1B option once Prince leaves. Plus, once Greinke comes back, we are in the same boat. I’d rather have Narveson as the #5 than Slowey, for both cost and potential ceiling.

by Mr. McGehee on Mar 23, 2011 12:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

apparently he is moving

mlbtr just posted an article about how the twins are willing to trade him for relief.

by Capt Science on Mar 23, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Relief pitching

or salary relief?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

I just read the article… they want relief pitching.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easy

They can just trade the PTBNL that is received from the Villanueva trade.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Superslide

reminds me of a business convention that my parents took me to down in Florida when I was a kid. Hyatt Regency Grand Cyprus down near Disney. They had a couple of multi-layer water slides, albeit not 4 layers deep. Then again, I don’t think they were straight slides either, but they were certainly not the typical rec park enclosed tubes either.

I loved staying there. They also had movie theaters that were showing Rocky movies every night.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 23, 2011 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Last link

“Dates should be formated as MM/DD/YY”

formatted I guess changes its spelling also.
I personally go with YYYYMMDD, but I’m a freak that way.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 23, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I use YYYYMMDD too

that way an alphabetical sort is also a chronological sort!

by MillerParkSouth on Mar 23, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kyle, you Rock

thanks for the well wishes!

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Mar 23, 2011 9:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Bah

He’s still a young whipper-snapper in my book. :)

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Attendance at MP

first few years: novelty (+ bad record)
last few years: good team or last-year’s-team-was-good

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 23, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Culture shift the past couple years

Became the thing to do for a lot of casual fans, big reason why attendance didn’t tank with 2 sub par years.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 23, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's retired

And coaches the Italian national team.

by thefreewheelin76 on Mar 23, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was with us for such a short time

but he will live forever in our ’lore

and there were so many things i wanted to say

by BEARDEDJEFF on Mar 23, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Gary Sheffield

ipso facto leads to CC Sabathia? Great, now my severe displaced rage towards him has to be redirected. You’ve just made another enemy, Mark Kotsay, and I don’t even know why!

Also, I don’t think I used ipso facto correctly. But I won’t bother to correct myself.

by mpbMKE on Mar 23, 2011 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

ipso facto

always reminds me of this film (see trivia notes), which means it can never be used correctly.

by Capt Science on Mar 23, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mean you didn't spend your every minute today looking up irrelevant details about that movie

like how that was Cosby’s character’s 6th spying mission, the others of which are undocumented.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 23, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

never saw it

It’s like Butterfield 8, which I also haven’t seen because I haven’t seen the first 7.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Mar 23, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thought about it after I wrote that question

But figured (correctly) that someone would do the work and post it up.

Thanks. :)

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

that and...

seeing that it was in the 50 worst movies of all time on IMDB, then checking out some of the movies with familiar titles there…finding out where two movies that I thought were awful were placed.

Apparently the MST3K fan crowd goes to IMDB and votes 1 star on all movies that MST3K has watched, regardless of any editing the show did and whether the user saw it themselves in movie format.

and also apparently people somehow liked nacho libre and master of disguise to an alarming level.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 24, 2011 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am not a fan of Tony LaRussa

Who is, right?

However, he was being interviewed by the ESPN guys during this game, in one of those obnoxious full half-inning interviews with the manager while everyone ignores the actual game, and he broke off the interview when a 2nd runner got on base, so he could start working the signals for a steal. I can respect that. I wish ESPN was as interested in the action on the field.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 23, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Are you sure that's why he broke off the interview?

Perhaps it was so he could “investigate” the contents of a plain brown paper bag that was next to him?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting article
If anything, their front office is boringly effective: they don’t make huge, laugh-inducing gaffs, but they also aren’t ones to find a bargain. Melvin seems to pay near market rate for contract extensions, free agents, and trades, and while that’s served him well in the past, the Brewers will need to find some free agent bargains to stay competitive in 2012 and 2013.

Are they conveniently forgetting about Suppan?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Riske or Hawkins

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Mar 23, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Besides Suppan, I don't think any of these are huge gaffes

Not good moves? Sure.

Bump a payroll up to $90M and almost every team will have some contracts that they aren’t getting a good return on investment on.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 23, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Plus

Both of those contracts don’t look good because of injury.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

relief pitching is not a thing you need to invest millions in. How much is Axford and Braddock costing us? Hell, take a middling starter prospect, throw him in the pen, and BAM, reliever. Happens all the time.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Mar 23, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But the contracts to Riske and Hawkins didn’t exactly hurt the team… unlike those of Hall and Suppan.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Right

Riske was $13m over 3 years, Hawkins $7.5 over 2, Hall $24 over 4.

Not good, but not franchise killers like the Suppan deal was.

I don’t think the writer is that far off. Haven’t been many trades that have been big time wins or loses for the Brewers. Besides Braun, most of the FA contracts have been for market value. The FA misses have happened, but they aren’t debilitating (besides Suppan).

Melvin’s done a good job finding guys like McGehee and Axford off the scrap heap, but I wonder how that compares to other teams. Probably slightly better, but other teams are able to find guys like that as well.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 23, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hall

His contract doesn’t look that bad if you average it out over the life of the contract, but the last two years got up there ($6.8M and $8.4M).

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Riske cost per out

Through 3 seasons, it looks like David Riske has earned $63,750 per out recorded. That’s awesome.

By way of comparison, Todd Coffey’s outs cost $8,114 each.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 23, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

At Coffey's price

Your pitching staff would cost you $35.5MM to cover the whole season’s outs.

by nullacct on Mar 23, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's like the opposite of the Brewers front office

A few terrible deals, a few great bargains. Overall effectiveness in scouting and player development, a few big mistakes keeping them from being great.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Mar 23, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Further

I love Fangraphs and Slowinski’s a good writer, but it’s probably a bit much to expect him to have an in-depth analysis of an organization he doesn’t follow all the time, and he should have consulted Jack at least.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Mar 23, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I figured he wasn't that familiar with the Brewers

Particularly after reading this quote…

Jonathan Lucroy and Casey McGehee contribute value at catcher and third base – and they’re young enough that they can still keep improving

I don’t think anyone expects McGehee to keep improving.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

He works his butt off in the offseason, and he’s 28. He could improve a little over the next couple of seasons before he inevitably declines with age.

by nullacct on Mar 23, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He already declined last year.

Even after having his knee cleaned up after the 2009 season.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Mar 24, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time calling last season a decline for McGehee

considering sample size and all… he had 70% more PAs in 2010 over 2009.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 24, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess it's possible

Hard to imagine that he improves on numbers that already exceeded just about everyone’s expectations.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 24, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had the Brewers

rated 19th in my in depth organization rankings that came out earlier today by coincidence. Largely in part to their low ranked minor league system. The Brewers strength was that they get a pretty decent return in wins for what they spend in player payroll.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Mar 23, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting where they got that

$81M payroll with over 81 expected wins in 2011. That is fairly good efficiency. 12th best.

by Xeifrank on Mar 24, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

they go with $100M-101M

I don’t know if they’re figuring in money from draft signings or minor league contracts or some such. Or figuring that by the end of the season we’ll add in $15+ M of substitute players. I guess you’d have to look at a few other teams to see what their payroll figures are and how they differ from Cots calculations.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 24, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brandon Webb shut down

No one here saw that coming…..

Does the big Brandon Webb fan still post on BCB?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 23, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Not sure

But the big Scott Kazmir fan does, and he is equally disappointed.

by backtocali on Mar 23, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

After extensive research (10 seconds), it was Menchkins

Who hasn’t posted here in a while.

Webb seems like a good gamble to be if we can get him at a reasonable price.
5-6 mil with incentives maybe?

Yikes

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 23, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh

We all say stuff that turns out to be pretty silly after all is said and done. I was never big on Webb because of his big velocity drop and the fact he was coming off of a shoulder injury.

by backtocali on Mar 23, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know, I say dumb stuff all the time

But he repeatedly argued the Brewers were making a mistake by not signing Webb and argued with anyone who disagreed with him.

Not a big deal, but it should be recognized when Webb is shut down before the season even starts, I’m sure he would have done the same if Webb was good this year.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 23, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe "5-6 mil with incentives"

means after considering incentives. Which may have been worth it if the base contract was major league minimum and incentives were tied in to #1-3 Cy Young vote/MVP vote.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 23, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I like what you did there

Melvin is an idiot for not bringing in more guys on those type of deals

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 23, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think all MLB contracts should be like that.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It'd be nice if you could tie bonuses to WAR

or some such measure.

Unfortunately the MLBPA doesn’t allow for performance-based incentives. Just achievement-based incentives (games, hits, all star game nominations), which are highly subjective in interpretation of “goodness”.

P.S. how the hell did I get 2 recs for my comment above?

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 24, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Kazmir will be available next November.

I just can’t see the Angels trying to extend him. Though they did trade for Vernon Wells, so that shows how much regard they have for my opinion.

by Brew Angel on Mar 23, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

What was the deal with that, btw?

Was it desperation to get rid of Rivera?

The Angels are my favorite to win the West, but that’s more because of the rest of the division being down, than because of the Angels being up.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Mar 23, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

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