Brewers Trade Chris Dickerson to Yankees for Sergio Mitre

You’re talking about a 4th outfielder and a middle reliever, so the effect is marginal. However, as Melvin likes to moan, small market teams doesn’t have a lot of margin to work with. Giving up a quality player for another face in the crowd of the bullpen looks like a net loss right now.

I don’t even understand why they would make the move in the first place. How is Mitre a substantial improvement over Estrada for 3-4 starts? Is it an arbitration clock issue? I could understand it, I guess, if that’s the case.

As far as finding someone, anyone, then it’s a matter of finding the best match rather than the best value. If there wasn’t anyone looking for centerfield backup, then Dickerson’s trade value WAR was far less than his actual productive WAR.

Maybe Mitre will be a good move, but strictly on a quality-vs-quality basis, DM made a pretty bad deal. Times like these when you wonder what the hell goes through his head. Does he make some trades while he’s drunk?

I will hopefully never hear the nickname “C Dick” again

Reed? Boggs? Carroll? Kotsay?

“Hey, so we were hoping to get Mike Cameron. Want Melky Cabrera?”
“Hey, we see you have a pretty good backup outfielder. Want a shitty pseudo-starter/reliever.

But when you consider Dickerson could have been an improvement over a struggling Gomez, that makes things huge.

All in all, probably an improvement, but nothing worth noting. My favorite (PECOTA) has them at a half game difference with an edge to Mitre.

At worst its a signal to the casual fan base that DM is “doing something” to take care of that 5th starter spot.

But general manager Doug Melvin may not be done making moves. FoxSports.com reported that the Brewers are among the teams looking at Nationals outfielder Nyjer Morgan, a left-handed-hitting center fielder.

http://brewersbeat.mlblogs.com/archives/2011/03/brewers_trade_for_righty_mitre.html

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Dickerson was atrocious last season and his only success in the major leagues came with an unsustainable BABIP. He’s also past the point of getting any better. Brandon Boggs has significantly better minor league numbers, is younger, and was in danger of not making the team. The only loss is Dickerson’s plus plus defense, which is over a small sample and not certain anyways, but with Gomez as the starter it’s not like we really needed it.

Mitre is capable SP/RP depth, which is pretty valuable. He had a 3.33 ERA as a reliever in the AL East last season (although his peripherals didn’t support that, let’s just consider what Melvin was trading for in terms of face value) and if we’re giving C-Dick the benefit of the doubt because of how he played a few years ago, then we should give Mitre the benefit of the doubt for the very good 149 IP, 3.98 FIP, 2.6 WAR season he had the last time he was a full-time starter.

But damn he’s messing with my moods today.

If that move ultimately occurs I like the potentially for eventually pissing off the Cards at some point during the season.

I just remembered the article about walkup music. Now we won’t get to hear Lupe Fiasco at the games? This move does suck.

Not only is Tony Plush awesome, but 1) he’s probably better than Gomez, 2) Gomez/Morgan have very complimentary platoon splits (Gomez favors RHP and Morgan has a career wOBA .108 points higher against LHP)

Also, I appreciate the control of everyone on here. No one has unleashed a comment with a downpour of swearing in it.

The Brewers latest weapon is the Mitre Saw?

or Sergio Pope Hat?

We got the Yankees version of Carlos Villanueva.

Mitre will frustrate you, but every once in a while make you smile. What about Dickerson?

To continue, Mitre is basically a filler. He isn’t good to count on, but is fine for depth. His equal value is probably a 4th or 5th outfielder type anyway in my opinion, unless he continues to heal from TJ surgery and ends up improving.

Seems about right

It’s always entertaining when a bit player/prospect/depth guy on the roster becomes a fan favorite and then is traded. All this vitriol and hate for what is ultimately a “meh” trade.

Remember that Dickerson was traded by the Reds (who drafted him and had an opportunity to scout him, analyze him, and evaluate him for 7 years) for Jim Edmonds on one leg last year. In the middle of an unlikely playoff run (granted, the Reds were trading for what they thought would be a boost in the short-term over long-term possibilities). You can analyze the available statistics all you want, but if the Reds brass, who had way more time studying Dickerson than anyone here, weren’t leery about making that trade, I don’t know why this trade is so awful.

As noted above, Mitre is pretty much a replacement level player. However, SP/RP Depth >>>> OF Depth when it comes to putting a winning team together. Having Gomez play everyday hurts the team way less than having Estrada or Parra start significant games when needed (because our 5 nominal SPs were NOT all going to start 32 games, even before Greinke and Marcum’s injuries). The primary problem I have with advanced metrics like WAR or others is the assumption that you pull up Player X from the minors and he will provide replacement level production. Doesn’t happen that way in real life all the time. My guess is that the internal options (with the exception of Rogers, who the team should NOT rush to the majors before he’s ready to start regularly) would not have provided replacement level production. Until Estrada, Rivas, and company can prove they can perform at replacement level, I’d prefer to have someone who has proven that.

So now that try have another long relief/5.5th starter do we have enough to let a bullpen arm go for Slowey. Maybe Morgan’s availability made Dickerson expendable to ultimately get Slowey here.

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Now told #Brewers passed on Nyjer. Will go with Reed, Boggs as spare OFs, use Mitre as long man, Loe in front of setup men. #Nationals #MLB

Morgan wears stirrups and billows his pants perfectly. He would have brought some pretty to the field.

Makes this trade more about Manny Parra’s health than it does about Zack Greinke’s, then.

This not a disaterous trade for the Crew. it is not great but we have traded a 4th outfielder for a 6th starter but it will not decide the plasyoff picture in all likelyhood. I would like to think we would get somebody better for Dickerson but at the end of the day what exactly were we expecting? Somebody like Slowney would of cost alot more (I hope)

Isn’t there bad blood between him and the Cards? He would have fit right in.

Dickerson was especially valuable because we have a center fielder who no hit the ball or take the walk. Melvin just spent the last month or so watching Go Go put up a .370 OBP and .736 SLG (in 56 ABs). Between that and Go Go’s new prominence on a team that’s suddenly dedicated to stealing bases, perhaps he feels we don’t need a super backup for Gomez, just a regular one.