Chris Dickerson and Cutter Dykstra turn into Sergio Mitre and Nyjer Morgan
I think the title here just about says it all. I wanted to reply a bit to Kyle's earlier mini-analysis of the trade that brought Nyjer Morgan to the Brewers. In all, the two small deals this week are at the very worst a wash and at best something like a 1-win upgrade. In the past I've argued that the Brewers should be looking for any upgrade, no matter how small, because the value of each additional win at this point is very large.
Dealing Dickerson for Mitre, and then Dykstra for Morgan, is a set of moves that I feel like I would make in a video game-- they are small tricky little upgrades that help the team but that a GM like Doug Melvin rarely seems to make. He tends to stick with a guy instead of making a sneaky little group of moves like this. But I like this out of him. Who knows if this is exactly how he planned for this to work out, or if the Nationals were just desperate to get rid of Morgan, but as it turns out, the Brewers get a bit more starting pitching depth and a better backup outfielder. And they get a bit more entertaining in the process. I'll take my two arguments here one at a time.
Nyjer Morgan is a better backup outfielder than Chris Dickerson
I took a liking to Dickerson when he was a Brewer and hoped he would get a decent amount of playing time in 2010. He has some definite tools as a player, and between 2008 and 2009 he hit .283/.383/.440 in 421 plate appearances for the Reds. His 2010 was brutal, with a .518 OPS. HIs track record in the minors certainly was not bad, but wasn't exactly spectacular until he was getting a bit old for AAA. As far as we can tell, Dickerson is also a quality defender. How good is tough to tell. His UZR ratings in center field were nothing short of phenomenal, but in the small amount of innings he actually played I wouldn't really feel comfortable categorizing him as anything more than solidly above-average.
Morgan moved up to the majors a year before Dickerson, in 2007, and in his first 3 seasons seeing action in the big leagues he put together a .303/.362/.391 line over 826 plate appearances with Pittsburgh and Washington. Like Dickerson, he also had a rough 2010 season: .253/.319/.314 over 577 plate appearances (tcyoung has a nice Fanpost looking at why that might have happened). He also had a down year on defense in 2010, but a down year for Morgan on defense is still above-average by just about any measure. His 2009, in which he split between playing LF for the Pirates and CF for the Nationals, was remarkably good, saving 27 runs on defense. Throughout his career he's been solidly above average wherever he's played, so it would be fair to project him as well above-average in center field, and expect him to be extremely good on an outfield corner.
Dickerson and Morgan do have quite similar profiles, but Morgan's best year was far better than Dickerson's best, and Morgan's tough season last year was still substantially better than Dickerson's. His upside is higher and downside is higher. After 2009, he was something of a rising star, and in his down 2010 he was still worth about a win more than a replacement level center fielder-- very close to Carlos Gomez.
I'm all for letting Gomez have at the starting center field job this year. His skill as a defender is pretty much unmatched, and there's obviously potential there offensively. Morgan is a really nice backup for a player like Gomez-- If Gomez tanks, there's a backup available who is also a very good defender and has some big-time offensive upside as well. I'll take my chances that between Gomez and Morgan, the Brewers end up with average or better production this season from center field, especially if they're utilized to take advantage of their opposite handed-ness. And if a disaster were to strike and one of the three outfielders was out for a significant amount of time, Morgan is by far a better option to replace that production than anyone else they could obtain for a non-prospect like Cutter Dykstra. Consider that Morgan's 4.9 WAR in 2009 ties Ryan Braun's career high, also in 2009. No one in their right mind would expect Morgan to produce more than Braun ever again, because that value was jacked up by defense that he probably can never expect to get to again. But I'm confident he would hold his own if he needed to be a regular for a period of time-- more so than I would be with Dickerson, who has had health issues and some strange volatility in hitting production.
Sergio Mitre is better than Replacement Level
After Chris Narveson, the Brewers starting pitcher depth chart looked something like:
6. Manny Parra
7. Mark Rogers
Which, well, has some definite upside, but also has a lot of potential problems. A team should go into the season prepared to get around 10-20 starts from pitchers outside the top 5, and if they're really going to try to maximize those wins this season, it makes a lot of sense to go out and get a veteran who can at least be projected to be better than replacement level. A guy like Estrada is pretty much the definition of replacement level-- we'd project him for something like a 5.5 ERA, and it would be pretty easy to sign a minor league free agent who could be expected to perform similarly. Mitre is no star, but his ZiPS projection of 91 innings in 14 starts, 25 games total, and a 4.71 ERA in the American League is a welcome addition to the staff. If he makes 5 decent starts this year and is a decent long man out of the pen, mission accomplished. If he's not needed because the staff stays generally healthy and/or Parra and Rogers step up, all the better.
It's probably over-analyzing to break down things this far, but I like the idea of staying on the prowl and continuing to improve the roster in whatever ways possible. And even if Morgan and Dickerson have the exact same stats this year, but Nyjer does at least one thing that is funny (the odds are good), I think we come out ahead.
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Agreed
I like that that Morgan can play all 3 outfield spots as well, not that Dickerson couldn’t. I also love nyjers speed too. Speedsters can cause so many problems.
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by BenSheets15 on Mar 27, 2011 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
"Speedsters can cause so many problems."
yeah…for us. with his CS rate, he costs us runs on the basepaths, no matter how many he actually steals
by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 28, 2011 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions
As my brother said, "you can't teach smart"
Even if they don’t improve his SB%, recognizing to use his skills in places there they’ll most advantageous will still result in a net positive result. Even without stealing, he’ll still have the ability to move from 1st to 3rd and 2nd to home against an outfield that isn’t particularly strong.
Even “speculative” speed has its place and I’ll trust the coaching staff to recognize the best place to use him.
by ecocd on Mar 28, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"You can't teach smart"
Actually sounds kind of profound, in a Yogi Berra way.
by Cheeseandcorn on Mar 28, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
..and actually applies
he may be speedy, but if he’s not picking good spots to steal, he’s a liability. I don’t know how good his judgement is in stretching singles either – but that’s more likely to be on the 1B coach anyway.
by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 28, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you trust him to listen to the coaching staff?
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Morgan is a mental midget, period
Winning teams don’t waste roster spots on crap like Morgan….or Betancourt. Right now the lineup has 3 automatic outs at shortstop, centerfield and catcher. Way, way, way too many ways to pitch around trouble when you face the Brewers. God save the queen of Corey Hart turns back into a turd. Or Casey McGahee reverts back to a pumpkin.
Yeah, I’m worried.
Oh c'mon guys, it's so simple, maybe you need a refresher course. It's ALL ball bearings these days.
I don't think I agree with any of this
Maybe it is the optimist in me that thinks nyjer is going to fit in really well with our group and gomez’s spring isn’t another fluke and lucroy will have a reasonably better year and our guys aren’t going to turn into pumpkins or turds. More worried about the rotation than I am about the position players.
by E Tyme on Mar 27, 2011 9:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't personally think Nyjer is a bad guy.
Has any teammate come out and said something against him? Not that I’ve seen. He’s just had some antics. Look at Fielder, he charged the mound (from the dugout) in ST a few weeks ago, is he a “mental midget”? You’re a clown honestly, for pretty much all of your opinions that were stated.
Morgan is not a waste of a roster spot, now if you said the same about Kotsay, I’d probably agree with you. Betancourt is, but we don’t have a SS, so that’s why he’s there.
As far as “automatic outs”, Betancourt is not going to be prolific but he’s not going to be awful either. He will however swing at the first pitch almost everytime. Gomez is getting better, and if he stinks it up then Morgan will fill in and is definitely not an automatic out. Lucroy wasn’t great last year, but cut the kid some slack please? He came up from AA basically and had to take over the MLB catching duties full-time. Learning pitchers, hitters, tendencies, etc. all while trying to hit. It just didn’t happen for him. He’s been a very nice offensive player throughout the minors (especially with OBP) and I see no reason for that not to show up again this year and beyond.
Everyone just needs to Grillax a little bit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVod3uqtqgk
by jmeks23 on Mar 27, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
never heard any whisper of Morgan being bad in the clubhouse
That incident in Philadelphia was the first I had heard of him being a jerk to any fans, as well—I recall that fans in both Pittsburgh and Washington loved the guy.
by morineko on Mar 27, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pumpkins? Turds? Clowns and midgets?
Oh man, this comment thread encompasses everything I love about baseball!
baseball is the lovechild of South Park and the Simpsons?
by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 28, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
missing the reference
googling that I get this facebook group
" God’s kuntry is facing some hard times right now, that is why the true lovers of Uhmurka should band together"
I think I’m scared
by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 28, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, number one
For most of his career, Nyjer Morgan has actually had an above-average OBP, which is pretty much the opposite of being an automatic out.
Number two, I don’t care if anyone on the roster is a mental midget, I just care how well they play baseball. Nyjer Morgan has shown he’s capable of playing baseball as well or better than our other CF options. I think that’s worth taking a chance on.
If I were Ryan Braun, I'd be really excited to be Ryan Braun, too.
by Lefti on Mar 27, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are people confusing Morgan with Elijah Dukes?
Morgan charged a pitcher once, lots of players do that. Fielder tried to charge a clubhouse, but I’m not going to hold it against him.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Mar 27, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
(I'm serious about the Morgan/Dukes confusion, btw)
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
This comment belongs in OV.
"Special teams means special times, bros"
by schmita91 on Mar 27, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Sounds good by me
Regardless of the moves, I’ll like to see Kotsay get his walking papers, but I won’t be holding Melvin’s feet to the fire with Morgan coming in for Dickerson especially if we’re getting 3-4 years of Morgan.
On a barely-related note, we now have our 2011 name for Carlos Gomez courtesy of RR:
“Things can change during the season, but Carlos is our center fielder,” Milwaukee manager Ron Roenicke said. “I think it adds to the depth on our bench. [Morgan] played every day last year but he’ll back up Gomey. When he needs a day off, we’ll have somebody to play center field.”Hi Gomey, nice to meet you.
by ecocd on Mar 27, 2011 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Gomey
Yosted again
Slowly negating baseball nerdery on BrewCrewBall.
JEO's Fantasy Football team sucked.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Mar 27, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sick
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Mar 27, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Morgan>dickerson
Just my opinion
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by BenSheets15 on Mar 27, 2011 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this post 100%
I also feel as if these small crafty type moves are the types of things small markets have to do in order to win. Obviously we have made a bunch of big moves but the smaller depth moves like this are what separates a solid team from a playoff contender. Do I have examples to back this up? Na not right now anyway… It’s all just my opinion.
by Flanyboy on Mar 27, 2011 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If Melvin was crafty he would have kept Dickerson, traded for Morgan and cut Kotsay.
That would have improved the team. All he did this weekend was shuffle the deck.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
by cooper82 on Mar 28, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, exactly
I just don’t see what Kotsay possibly adds. He can’t hit, he can’t field, and he doesn’t play a premium position. I mean, even if you think veteran presence from a member of the ’97 Marlins is key to a championship…we already have a deity for that…
And I generally like Doug Melvin, and think most of his moves are at least understandable, but I just do not get the Kotsay signing.
If I were Ryan Braun, I'd be really excited to be Ryan Braun, too.
Its hard to know what he was thinking
I remember being incredulous about the signing, and someone or someones were giving me hell for it here, but I can’t recall who it was. It looks like the tide has changed a bit. Unless possibly mladwig was the one?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
deja vu
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for writing this
it helped calm the nerves quite a bit
by Saberilliterate on Mar 28, 2011 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
More speed
I like the fact that the Brewers will run more this year. That was a drawback with Macha. With the power they have, putting more RISP will pay consistent dividends.
by Dartman II on Mar 28, 2011 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
There were many drawbacks with Macha
Lack of basestealing was just one of them.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I didn't see that as a drawback with him
by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 29, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to agree
We didn’t steal much but I think that was either a non-issue or a very very minor problem. The offense wasn’t the problem in 2009 or 2010.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

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