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Some things to read while cutting your losses.

Clear your schedule, because we've got a lot to discuss this morning. First, despite saying he wasn't interested roughly 48 hours earlier, Doug Melvin pulled the trigger and acquired outfielder Nyjer Morgan from the Nationals yesterday in exchange for minor leaguer Cutter Dykstra and $50,000 (FanShot).I reacted to the deal here.

Doug Melvin talked to reporters after the deal was announced about Morgan's reputation as a troublemaker. Wil Nieves is a former teammate of Morgan's in Washington, and downplayed concerns about his attitude (FanShot).

With that said, the team he's leaving behind seems pretty excited to see him go. Capitol Punishment and The Nationals Enquirer have lists of their favorite memories of "Tony Plush."

Morgan had expressed frustration with a likely reserve role in Washington, but that's the role he'll likely fill with the Brewers. Ron Roenicke and Doug Melvin met with Carlos Gomez yesterday and told him that he'll still start in center.

Part of my frustration with this trade is based on what I see as a disappointing decision to give up on Cutter Dykstra, who won't turn 22 until June and posted a .312/.416/.411 line for Wisconsin in 2010. Not everyone is as high on Dykstra as I was, though: Keith Law called him an organizational player.

At this point, all that's left to say about Morgan is "I guess we'll see how it works out." R.J. Anderson of Baseball Prospectus summed it up nicely with this line:

Morgan's performance dictates whether folks view his eccentric personality as a delightful tension breaker or an immature nuisance.

Of course, that wasn't the only trade the Brewers made this weekend. They also traded Chris Dickerson to the Yankees for starter/reliever Sergio Mitre (FanShot, Reaction). By now you've probably heard about this deal, so I'll jump into the reaction:

  • Jack Moore said "this trade is probably closer in value that people think, but the Brewers shouldn't have had to give up Dickerson to get Mitre."
  • Jen Lada said she was "excited to watch (Dickerson) compete."
  • Howie Magner said "That the Brewers parted with Dickerson to get Mitre tells me they really think Carlos Gomez has turned the corner."
  • Jim Breen noted that B-Ref lists Anthony Reyes, Matt Kinney and Jeff Karstens as pitchers similar to Mitre.

For what it's worth, Doug Melvin told Tom Haudricourt he sees Mitre as more of a reliever, so it's not a given that he'll get the start on the 6th.

FanSided said they're "kind of confused about the deal from both sides." I think that seems about right. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker said "the Brewers creative use of their assets should pay dividends this summer." The two players the Brewers acquired are scheduled to earn a combined $1.35 million this season, so there still should be money available for more moves later if necessary. For more on both trades, check out Jordan's post from last night.

Elsewhere in roster moves:

So, given those roster moves, the Brewer bullpen appears set: John Axford, Takashi Saito, Kameron Loe, Zach Braddock, Mitch Stetter, Sean Green, Sergio Mitre and Brandon Kintzler will be the eight. If Mitre doesn't make the start on April 6, then one of these guys will likely need to go down to make room for Marco Estrada.

Mitch Stetter might be the most unlikely member of the Opening Day bullpen. Tom Haudricourt has a story on how Stetter pitched his way back into the organization's plans.

He's certainly not an appealing option, but former Cub Carlos Silva could be another candidate to pitch on the 6th. Doug Melvin told Adam McCalvy he's not interested in acquiring Silva. Given this weekend's events, that probably either means he's not interested or he's 48 hours away from announcing a deal.

The bench also appears set, as Erick Almonte and Jeremy Reed have been informed they'll make the roster (FanShot). Tom Haudricourt has a look at the hot spring that earned Almonte a spot.

Reed may only be a career .253/.311/.356 hitter in the majors, but Baseball America reports that he's the career active leader with a .315 average in the minors. Sergio Mitre is also sixth all-time with a 3.125 ERA. (h/t Matt Eddy)

On the field, Marco Estrada looked good again in his final audition for the #5 spot yesterday. He pitched six innings and allowed two runs on seven hits, walking one and striking out four.

Other notes from the field:

  • The Brewers lease for their facility to Maryvale runs through next spring, and it's possible they could leave the park once it expires. Tyler Emerick of the JS has a look at the Brewers' attendance decline this spring, and what it might mean for the future.
  • Grant Martin of the JS reports that the Brewers raised about $4600 for aid efforts in Japan before Sunday's game.
  • Zach Braddock's recent absence from camp was due to a scorpion sting, and he should be fine in time for Opening Day.
  • Andrew Gruman of the JS has a profile of Ed Sedar.
  • Harper Babin of the JS has a profile of Kosuke Inaji, Takashi Saito's translator.
  • Here's video of a near collision between Prince Fielder and the Italian Sausage during Friday's Sausage Race.

Now that the roster is set, let the jokes begin: Miller Park Drunk has a guide to awesomely bad jokes about the 2011 Brewers.

I mentioned above that Zack Greinke was officially placed on the DL to open the season, but he is making strides towards an eventual return: Greinke started throwing again over the weekend (FanShot).

Thursday will be John Axford's first Opening Day as closer. Adam McCalvy has a look at the Ax's spring.

Could this be the year for Carlos Gomez and George Kottaras to break out? Rich Lederer of The Baseball Analysts used spring stats to suggest it.

In the minors:

  • Marc Hulet of FanGraphs ranked Mark Rogers as baseball's 98th best prospect. He was the only Brewer to crack the top 100.
  • Chris Mehring saw Eric Arnett pitch over the weekend, and said he's not sure if the former #1 pick will open 2011 with Wisconsin or Brevard County.
  • Pitcher Darren Byrd hasn't drawn much attention this spring, but Adam Foster of Project Prospect reports the lefty was hitting 93 on the gun recently.
  • Chris Mehring has a recap of his second and third day in minor league camp.

If you're going to a Brewer game at Miller Park this season, you're more likely to come home with a bobblehead than any other NL fan. Baseball Daily Digest has a list of 2011 promotional schedules and notes that the Brewers lead the league with seven bobblehead days in 2011.

Unfortunately, it looks like one ballpark improvement is on hold: The smart phone concession plan the team announced last week has been delayed while the Brewers work out some details.

Today in predictions and whatnot:

By the way, I had previously mentioned that BCB's 2011 prediction contest would open today. I've got a lot to fit in, though, so I'm going to bump it back to tomorrow.

Around baseball:

Astros: Acquired Joe Inglett from the Rays for a PTBNL or cash and returned Rule 5 pick Lance Pendleton to the Yankees. Also, shortstop Clint Barmes is out 4-6 weeks with a broken hand.
Athletics: Closer Andrew Bailey will open the season on the DL with a forearm strain.
Braves: Released reliever Scott Proctor.
Cubs: Released pitcher Carlos Silva.
Diamondbacks: Announced the retirement of pitcher Mike Hampton.
Dodgers: Released reliever Ron Mahay. Also, catcher Dioner Navarro is expected to open the season on the DL with an oblique strain.
Mariners: Returned Rule 5 pick Jose Flores to the Indians and released outfielder Gabe Gross.
Padres:
Released infielder Kevin Frandsen.
Pirates: Catcher Chris Snyder is expected to open the season on the DL with back soreness.
Rangers: Pitcher Tommy Hunter will open the season on the DL with a groin injury.
Reds: Placed pitcher Homer Bailey on the DL with a right shoulder impingement.
Royals: Released infielder Pedro Feliz.
Yankees: Reliever Pedro Feliciano is expected to open the season on the DL with a triceps strain.

With Bailey on the DL, the Reds' rotation will have to be shuffled once again before they open the season against the Brewers on Thursday. And once Bailey's spot is filled, it may have to be altered again: Bronson Arroyo, who is scheduled to pitch on Sunday, has mono but says he's going to try to work through it.

Today in former Brewers:

With Opening Day coming up, we're only a few days removed from the first Tater Trot Tracker of 2011. To help you get ready, Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus has a look at 2010's most notable home run trots.

With help from the B-Ref Play Index and Brewerfan.net, happy birthday today to:

Somehow I wrote almost 1900 words today but forgot to include a closing joke. Oops.

Drink up.

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Looks like the Brewers and Royals with be available in lovely Spring Training “Mystery Vision” quality video on mlb.tv today.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

No Yankee or BoSox

So probably 1920s technology will be used.

But it also appears to be another free spring training preview for any iPhone (Sorry Android) users with MLB@Bat.

by SgtClueLs on Mar 28, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

They haven't so far

Spring Training doesn’t seem to have much in the way of blackouts. The quality is so bad sometimes that a blackout would be better, though

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Morgan's 25 man roster

should read, instead of OF, Tony Plush. Or if that doesn’t fit, Gentleman. If that doesn’t fit: Gntlman

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 28, 2011 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Gntmn

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think if I told my closing joke

I’d be banned for a week

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Mar 28, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Worth it

BCB: Pointless Exercises in Devils Advocacy
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by Jeo on Mar 28, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well instead of getting myself banned by posting it here

I’ll just tell you to find the Family Fued scene from last week’s Archer. So worth it.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Mar 28, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was great

I saved that episode on the DVR so I can go back and watch that scene whenever I need a laugh

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 28, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which episode was it?

As in season and episode number?

by cwolf20 on Mar 28, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Season 2 Episode... 8?

I believe it is called Placebo Effect. Just phenomenal.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Mar 28, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another Nationals perspective

http://natsinsider.blogspot.com/2011/03/are-nats-better-in-center-without.html

Let’s be honest: The Nationals never had any real intention of keeping Nyjer Morgan.

Regardless of how you like the Morgan trade for the Brewers, and I think that discussion has been well-covered already, what I find fascinating is that Riggleman knew he absolutely didn’t want him around, and the Nats organization somehow ended up with a platoon of Rick Ankiel and Jerry Hairston Jr. in center field. They had an entire offseason to do deal with CF, and that’s what they came up with. I don’t think the Nationals are likely to turn things around any time soon.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

As opposed to the Brewers

Who had an entire offseason to do a deal with CF and ended up with Gomez and Morgan?

by nullacct on Mar 28, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Did you miss the first part?

Where I said they didn’t want Morgan around? As far as I know, the Brewers have never not wanted Gomez in center.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not buying that.

I know they’ve never come out and said they don’t want Gomez in center, but I think that has more to do with Gomez hearing them than with what they want in center.

by nullacct on Mar 28, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If that was the case...

why would they bother keeping Gomez after last season? Unlike Morgan, Gomez didn’t have a contract with the Brewers.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correction

I didn’t realize that they had just recently signed Morgan. If they didn’t want him, why would they re-sign Morgan earlier this month… so that they could get something in trade?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

But .245 lifetime outfielders with no power aren’t in short supply. Maybe they still think they can coach him up.

by nullacct on Mar 28, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about ones with plus defense?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I understand that he has great range

But aside from that, how much good defense does it take to offset bad offense? Gomez’ career OPS is .642, about 80 pts. under the league average of .723. His fielding % is exactly the same as the league average, .983. I think the only way we can explain that his defensive value to the team is if he’s so talented that he’s covering weak corner fielders (Braun, Hart). Otherwise we might as well throw someone who can hit in CF, because his fielding is average.

by nullacct on Mar 28, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes and no.

I’m sorta fishing for someone to give me better numbers about how many bases he’s taking away from the opposition – enough to offset his anemic offense – so that I feel better about having him in the lineup every day. I’m not totally saberliterate yet.

by nullacct on Mar 28, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like DRS?

Defensive Runs Saved?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

His UZR/150 last season was 8.0...

his worst in his MLB career.

On the other hand, Braun has a higher fielding percentage than Gomez, but yet his UZR/150 was -8.2 last season.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, his career UZR is 14.5

Saying that he is solely responsible for a 14 run difference is the equivalent of adding 14 HRs to his offensive line, right? For 150 games, that would be the equivalent of being a .270 hitter with 20 HRs – I can feel good about that.

by nullacct on Mar 28, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite

Because a home run has more value than 1 run (other runners on the bases and such). It’s more like about 1.9 runs on average I think by linear weights.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Mar 28, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you're using BIS' DRS +/- system, he is +26 over his career in CF, he was -2 last year

which means he’s saved 26 runs over his career in CF, and lost 2 runs last year. If you use TotalZone, he’s a +18 CF career and -1 last year.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

just because the saber-stats

don’t yet have a stat that’s incredibly predictive of future performance nor accurate gauge of past performance doesn’t mean that you have to stick to something (fielding %) which is both less descriptive of the past and less predictive of the future.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 28, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we all agree that Gomez isn't very good

He’s a very good defensive player with a very weak bat. However, the organization has done nothing but support him and say all the right things about keeping him in center. As far as the Brewers public comments, they want Gomez to play for them.

My contrast with the Nats is that they did everything they could to get rid of Morgan, but somehow didn’t manage to find someone good to play that position.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you think there might be a sort of chicken/egg issue there?

Who wants to go play for a team that made a trade for a guy after a fluke huge year and then publicly tries to dump him after his in-season shenanigans? I’ll bet there isn’t a long list.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rick Ankiel and Jerry Hairston Jr

You don’t need to sign elite talent to be better than those guys.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, but who else was even out there?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gabe Gross was just released

I honestly don’t know, because I wasn’t paying attention during the offseason this year. Must have been awful if those guys are the best they could come up with.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

They can't exactly afford much more than that

with the money going to Werth.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

How can you call his bat weak?

The bat is a solid piece of wood. Gomez is the one that’s weak.

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Mar 28, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's not a weak hitter

He’s a hitter with a poor eye. It’s no secret that Gomez can hit it hard

by mladwig0 on Mar 28, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's got a little more than that

But he’d be better off trying to make solid contact than trying to be a power hitter.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He hits the ball in the air 32% of the time with a .145 BABIP, and strikes out in 22% of all PA. That’s the profile of a guy who swings for the fence and misses.

by nullacct on Mar 28, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its actually probably fair to say Gomez has plus-plus defense.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

I wasn’t sure how many pluses to put for him, but I knew that it’s at least above-average.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think one could make a case that he's the best defensive CF playing right now, so plus away!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better than Torii Hunter?

But, but….he took away that HR from Bonds in the all-star game! He’s spiderman!

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Better than Hunter AND Spiderman combined.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let me get out my abacus quick, and I'll tally up Hunter's DRS.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where did you get .245?

His worst year was .253, and he’s .283 in his career. Assuming that you can use batting average by itself to evaluate a player.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Never mind

I thought you were talking about morgan.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's pre-arb, right?

Didn’t they just re-sign him to the minimum for a year?

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

But they’re under no obligation to re-sign him… particularly if they don’t want him.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh come on, the answer is plain:

they gave up so much to get Gomez, and he has all of this POTENTIAL, man!

THAT’S why they keep Gomez. That and the fact that he’s cheap.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

When I was at Nationals Park last summer

They marketed 3 players: Zimmerman, Strasburg and Morgan. The organization turned on him pretty quickly if it was an attitude issue that drove him away. I’m just thinking that the marketing department of the orgainzation wouldnt have done all this work on the guy who has character issues.

As for the last statement, I dont think the Nats are going anywhere this year or next, but with Strasburg back mid season and Harper perhaps up as early as mid next year, I would say they have a much brighter future 2012 and beyond than what the Brewers do.

by backtocali on Mar 28, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Will be interesting to see what ownership does

Signing Jayson Werth to a $126m contract doesn’t really give me much hope they’re fine letting the younger guys play and building from the farm system.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 28, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't as if its crippling to the Nationals

they’ve got plenty of cash.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remains to be seen I guess

They’ll need a few pieces if/when Strasburg, Harper, Norris, etc are up and reaching their peak and they’ll be paying Jayson Werth $20m per year from 2014 to 2017.

I think this will be the first year they top $70m in payroll, so I’m not sure what their payroll ceiling actually is.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 28, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I remember right, they've got a pretty large pool to draw from

as in they should/could be perennial $100M payroll.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Desmond and Espinosa shouldnt be slouches either

Id say capapble of at least mlb average production (2 WAR).

Theyll definitely have to add some pieces, but they have those deep East coast pockets and fan base potential to become a Phillies type of organization in a few years.

by backtocali on Mar 28, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's flip that around, though.

The Nationals knew they wanted to be rid of Morgan. So they worked on alternatives, and the best they could come up with was a platoon of Rick Ankiel and Hairston.

They could have changed their mind and tried to work things out with Morgan. But they were so desperate to be rid of him that they dumped him anyway.

That doesn’t say much for Morgan.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure I'm getting your drift

Are you saying you don’t like Morgan? It’s hard for me to tell, but I’m picking up subtle cues.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like the decision to acquire Morgan, especially if Boggs ends up getting claimed.

I get the upside, but this is a guy that was a pretty full on disaster in Washington, to the point where a team with terrible alternatives decided they still had to be rid of him.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like how you amend the phrase depending on Boggs situation

First it was “I don’t like the decision to acquire Morgan, especially if Boggs ends up getting cut.”

Now it’s “I don’t like the decision to acquire Morgan, especially if Boggs ends up getting claimed.”

Next it will be “I don’t like the decision to acquire Morgan, especially if Boggs ends up being good on team x.”

by Noah Jarosh on Mar 28, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be willing to accept it as minimal harm, no foul if Boggs stays in the organization.

But if he gets claimed, then they effectively traded Boggs and Dykstra for Morgan.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't dislike him

And the deal, outside of any off-the-field issues, is a good one. The Brewers are a stronger organization with Morgan than with Dykstra.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

By that logic

They are a stronger organization with Greinke instead of the 4 prospects they gave up to get him. If there is no playoff berth this year, will you believe the same thing in 2012 when the team is back in the high 70s for a win total, and then going forward is a low 70s win team?

Will Dykstra ever become a big time, or even mlb average type of player, who knows? The exchange really isnt the issue. They probably got fair exchange for him given the attitude issues.

I would much rather have Morgan than any of the alternatives, or Dykstra, so I agree with you. But Kyle’s statement is valid because of the “way” he was acquired. I am no fan of Doug Melvin at all, the whole board knows it, but the way this deal was done, and the things he said in public, I am leaning towards never really paying attention to anything the guy says any more, given the fact that he seems to believe that the media is part of some conspiracy to undermine his every effort, and thus mislead them.

I dont dislike the player, or the acquistion, but with what Kyle believes and things that seem to have happened before, this move also has desperation, as well as MA’s hands all over it.

by backtocali on Mar 28, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this team is going to drop back into the high 70's for wins in 2012

Does that mean you have Fielder as a ~8-10 win player?

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fielder gone next year

Would, with all things staying equal, get them down to 84 (in my book). More regression from Hart and McGehee, etc, not hard to see that being a possibility. Of course we havent even played a game yet in 2011, so this statement could be viewed as wildly speculative. But given the fact that the team is mostly made up of mid (baseball) aged guys where they start to level off before regressing, not a crazy thought, when coupled with the status of the farm system.

by backtocali on Mar 28, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's going a lot deeper than I intended

As a move for a proven major-league player under team control for a few more years in exchange for a prospect who doesn’t seem to have a path to the major league level, this should be an easy deal to like. This has no comparison to any major deal that affects this team, or some organizational strategy. On its face, the Brewers traded for a slightly higher-than-replacement player who has performed at a high level, and gave up a career minor-leaguer. That makes the Brewers organization slightly stronger.

I contend that the only reason to not like this deal is if you have problems with Morgan which are not related to performance. Based solely on talent and production, I think this was an easy win for the Brewers.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

BTC isn't disagreeing with

1) The deal
2) The fairness in value

He’s just pointing out that the way in which the deal went down—which could result in getting rid of both Boggs AND Dykstra, while the front office publicly disavowed any interest—was stupid.

Also, who’s the real Nyjer? 2009 or 2010? And do you believe he is going to take the starting CF job from Gomez? If so, when?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

How the deal went down?

Melvin said he wasn’t interested. Then the Nationals asked for less. Nothing wrong or stupid with that.

Boggs isn’t likely to spend meaningful time in the majors. I don’t think that changes much, either.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me neither

I don’t expect that DM is completely honest and open about what negotiations are going on.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You guys need to ask him to clarify, then

Its not my criticism.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

As well known

I do not like Melvin or his style.

But with his stattement on day 1, and then actions on day 2…I like the guy even less. And this is not the first time he has done something like that. And then to say that he wont platoon him with Gomez? Im not a big fan of guys who arent really trustworthy.

You can be elusive on questions like this when talking with the media and not give away your hand while also being truthful.

by backtocali on Mar 28, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

...not really Doug's call is it?

He put Nyjer on the roster, but isn’t it the manager’s call who plays? I have trouble with a GM saying crap like that. “Welcome aboard, great addition, yadda yadda,” and leave it at that.

by nullacct on Mar 28, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trustworthy?

Big deal… he didn’t let on that he was in negotiations with the Nationals for Morgan. Any answer short of “not interested”, would’ve been an indicator that negotiations were going on.

It’s irrelevant if being more open to the media makes actually would hurt negotiations… DM doesn’t want to reveal to the public (and other GMs) that he’s working on a deal.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

We're not entitled to know what's going on

But that’s slightly different from being lied to.

There are options that would have been more honest, like “I’m considering all options, but we don’t want to overpay” that would be more truthful without actually showing his hand.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like

having a GM with a pokerface

by mladwig0 on Mar 28, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm reading this thread hours after it was posted and nullact still hasn't responded to this with a photoshop of Doug Melvin in a Lady Gaga video.

What the heck?

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by SRB on Mar 29, 2011 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I miss the days

When a pokerface just referred to concealing your intentions, and nothing else.

If I were Ryan Braun, I'd be really excited to be Ryan Braun, too.

by Lefti on Mar 29, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Did you say "poker"...

or “poke her”? :)

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 29, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

are you saying that Dykstra

would have helped keep us above the 80 win mark? or am I misreading you

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 28, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

No, the deal had/has nothing to do with 2012 and beyond

it was just a comment on what Marty said about the deal being an improvement. I added on that its all timing based, and if there isnt a playoff spot this year, or even more, does the deal look good for Greinke, for example, still look good 2012 and beyond when the outlook for the team is mediocre at best.

by backtocali on Mar 28, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marty was only commenting on the Dykstra for Morgan deal.

You’re looking at all the transactions that have happened this off-season.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a nitpick

But to say the move strengthens the organization because they only gave up Dykstra, is a bit short sighted.

by backtocali on Mar 28, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is this specific move short-sighted?

You already agreed that you’d prefer to have Morgan over Dykstra.

Seems like you’re criticizing these types of transactions (trading prospects away) rather than this specific one (which is really all he was commenting on).

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The move wasnt short sighted

The philosophy stated by Marty was, imo. Or at least the way he phrased it.

by backtocali on Mar 28, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't a philosophy

It was a simple statement. Good trades make the team better. That’s all.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

What philosophy?

His statement was…

And the deal, outside of any off-the-field issues, is a good one. The Brewers are a stronger organization with Morgan than with Dykstra.

He said nothing about trading prospects/minor leaguers away nor does it appear phrased that way.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Final roster

I’m guessing with Lucroy starting the season on the DL that both Nieves and Kottaras will make the team. Also, who is going to start in RF on Opening Day… Kotsay or Reed?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

depth chart says Kotsay

on TV today vs. the Royals. Morgan was backup everywhere

by mladwig0 on Mar 28, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Good point. Forgot about our newest Brewer… Tony Plush.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Morgan's arm is pretty bad

Wouldn’t want him in RF trying to stop guys from going first to third.

by jlang on Mar 28, 2011 11:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He doesn't have to throw the ball

He can use his super speed and run it in enough to make a decent throw to 3rd.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Worse than Kotsay or Reed?

Play sound, hit the cutoff man, it’s all good.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Morgan is a ridiculous defender, I'm pretty sure he's a plus anywhere in the OF.

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by SRB on Mar 29, 2011 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

For those of you who subscribe to Groupon:

They have a deal today for half off select Brewers tickets. The games available are April 5-7 (vs. Braves), April 22, and April 24 (vs. Astros). Also, it’s decent seats, bleachers and loge level tickets.

Just wanted to mention that today.

by -JP- on Mar 28, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Again?

They did that deal last week, and I got good seats in Loge Infield for half price.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I only see paintball

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a Madison deal.

That might be why some of you can’t see it. So, if you’re in Madison, you can probably get it.

by -JP- on Mar 28, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

The deal is available for Appleton, too.

I assumed it was all over Wisconsin.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's possible I've got more tickets than I'll actually be able to use now.

Counting four spring training games and eleven Timber Rattlers games, my 2011 calendar has 32 games on it.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I might be adding some Madison Mallards games to my baseball calendar this year

I know, it’s not in the Brewers system (or even in minor league baseball), but because I live in Madison now, I may not get to as many Brewers games. This might satisfy a little of the desire to watch baseball this year.

by -JP- on Mar 28, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's sort of like minor league baseball.

The Mallards are similar to a finishing school for college players who want to get work with wood bats, etc during summer in anticipation of eventually being drafted.

by Noah Jarosh on Mar 28, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mallards

Weren’t they also an affiliate of the A’s at one time? Thought my friends who moved here from there saw Canseco there before the Majors…

by stryker1976 on Mar 28, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

You’re thinking of the Madison Muskies.

The Mallards are a collegiate summer team.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duck Blind, or don't bother

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the advice

I’ve heard about that, will have to take that into account.

by -JP- on Mar 28, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember: just because 'blind' is in the name, doesn't mean you have to make it true.

Its really, really easy to get super shitcanned when its basically all the beer you can drink for 7 full innings.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fun interview with Kevin Goldstein

I really enjoy his prediction for the NL central:

KG: The Cardinals took a hit when they lost their best pitcher to Tommy John surgery, but they’re still the favorite. The Brewers are kind of a new team to watch, just because they got those two starting pitchers that they needed. The division’s going to come down to those two, with the Cubs in third.

No sign of the Reds. I like this guy.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

I just think it's an easy prediction

Lot of people picking them because they came out of nowhere to win last year. I expect them to regress….but not all the way back behind the Cubs.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

plus all of their pitchers are injured. And Scott Rolen turns 48 soon.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you're saying...

he’s due for a big drop soon?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ah, then I'll bet he has another really good year.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scott Rolen is a god

and I expect 4 teams with 80-90 wins in this year’s Central, two teams with over 95 losses. watch out for the Cubs

by mladwig0 on Mar 28, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh he will turn 36 on April 4th

I understand what you’re saying, but at this point, every additional year likely has an exponentially negative effect on the probability that he repeats his previous years’ success.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Embarassing...

The Cardinals lost a 6 WAR pitcher. They are not the favorites anymore.

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by SRB on Mar 29, 2011 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like Cruz is going to Texas

per McCalvy’s twitter:
“Looks like Luis Cruz has refused his assignment to #Brewers Triple-A club and is signing with the Rangers. Working on confirming that.”

I am too drunk to taste this chicken.

by ThroughBeingCool on Mar 28, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Not that elusive

Didn’t they pickup Bush and McClung this off-season?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep

and Bush is making the 40 man

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Mar 28, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who knows.

I can see him complaining about that too… even though the guy who beat him out for a roster spot is Hispanic.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two thoughts:

1) Looks like Eric Farris and Edwin Maysonet get to split time at short now.
2) It’s not really fair to second guess the decision, but this loss of organizational depth could have been avoided if Cruz had been kept on the roster and Almonte (who was on a minor league deal) had been sent down.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or if they just released Kotsay

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Releasing Kotsay is the right answer to nearly every question.

But it seems unlikely, so we might as well just focus on the cards that are actually in play.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Maysonet is just organizational filler. Could see them calling up Zelous before him.

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by SRB on Mar 29, 2011 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Another error by Betancourt? That guy needs some Craig Counsell!"

Not a joke so much as a fact. Also, I’m pumped for the return of Mitch Stetter. I’m a sucker for side-arming lefties.

by flyingtoasters on Mar 28, 2011 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Errors are deceptive.

Both of those balls were eight rows into the stands. C.C. used his deity range but just barely missed them.

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by SRB on Mar 29, 2011 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watching Atros/Phillies

Inglett, Hall and Bourgeois all playing today. Maybe they’ll get Gross and add to their ex-Brewer collection

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

If all three make the team

That’ll give them five ex-Brewers on their roster.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh oh

Quintero just ran over Carlos Ruiz in a meaningless spring training game. Spring training! Oh, the humanity!

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone know how injured Corey Hart is?

Is he going to be out for any extended length of time?

"Coach Gundy, why was Oklahoma able to march right down the field against you?" --Erin Andrews

by dishingoutdimes on Mar 28, 2011 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I can say with 20% confidence that he is moderately injured

And to this question… Maybe.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Mar 28, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I'm 80% sure that I'm fairly confused

lol :)

"Coach Gundy, why was Oklahoma able to march right down the field against you?" --Erin Andrews

by dishingoutdimes on Mar 28, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Corey didn't feel ready

I read it in an article on MLB.com, I think, he says he’s still hurt and he won’t play if he’s injured, expecting him on DL soon

by mladwig0 on Mar 28, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Need an opinion on something here.

If the small chance of Fielder staying comes through, does Gamel remain in the Brewers organization? I don’t think there’s a place for him beyond the bench if Fielder stays.

by -JP- on Mar 28, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I know, it's ridiculous.

However, people looking at it who aren’t fans seem to think there’s still a shot.

by -JP- on Mar 28, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

we really have no idea

and will not know until after the season.

by mladwig0 on Mar 28, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we have a pretty good idea

Judging from the asking price Boras has made public.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Mar 28, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we know what Boras wants.

I don’t think we know if anyone will actually pay it, or how Fielder will respond if no one does.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 28, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I don't think we should count ourselves out yet.

We’ll probably make an offer, but Boras isn’t going to sign anything before he hits the open market. If nobody’s mouth is big enough to bite the gigantic lure that Boras casts, the Brewers could find themselves in the running.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Mar 28, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

By 'make an offer,' I mean that we'll make an offer once the season is over.

I’m guessing it’ll be competitive with what other teams are offering.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Mar 28, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only way I see it possible that we resign him

If I’m not mistaken, it was reported or rumored that we offered around 5 yrs./$100 MM. Dave Cameron from Fangraphs says he doesn’t think Prince’ll be able to do better than 6/$90 MM. If he’s right about that, I could see the Crew signing him to a deal similar to what they were already offering anyway. That said, I think Cameron has a bit of a bias towards expecting teams not to make bad moves, and I bet some team will offer him more than 5/100, even if it ends up being an overpayment.

If I were Ryan Braun, I'd be really excited to be Ryan Braun, too.

by Lefti on Mar 28, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I already miss

Boggs and DiFelice.

"We’re gonna gather our nuts, and find out what the squirrels… we’ll be right back." - Brian Anderson

by Rendezvous on Mar 28, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

It hasn't been mentioned in the comments yet, but...

…I am extremely glad to see Ed Sedar is still one of the coaches here.

by -JP- on Mar 28, 2011 6:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Punch it in to thumbs up!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 28, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha,

Morph it Gomey, Morph it!

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by tcyoung on Mar 28, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

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