Counsell in, Morgan out of the lineup for Game 1
Here's the Game 1 lineup:
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Counsell
Braun
Fielder
McGehee
Kotsay
Lucroy
Gomez
Gallardo
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I like the cut of Roenicke's jib
Fill the lineup with good players? There’s no challenge in that! Fielder and Braun get bored when other hitters are in the lineup.
Gallardo should be hitting 2nd today.
#freenyjermorgan
by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 17, 2011 9:35 AM CDT reply actions
Right handed pitcher, let's check my outfielders to decide who should start....
Gomez .250/.295/.205
Kotsay .304/.250/.200
Morgan .522/.762/.476
Hmmm…Gotta go with Gomez and Kotsay
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Nevermind sample size!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
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by Charlie Marlow on Apr 17, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Take any sample size
Rolling 3-year, career, or 2011….none of them would indicate Morgan should ride the bench.
Either Roenicke is basing this on numbers against Marquis (which is stupid), or he’s trying to show confidence in Gomez. Either way, it takes a lot of balls to sit the hot player in the bench for no apparent reason.
by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 17, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Career vs. RHP
Morgan (career): .312/.364/.394, 337 wOBA
Kotsay (career): .277/.340/.412, .328 wOBA
Gomez (career): .251/.296/.346, .285 wOBA
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
Is that a big enough sample size for you Charlie?
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by Troy J. on Apr 17, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's almost like he wants to see if Morgan's going to freak out.
Better in April than August, maybe?
I’ll acknowledge that I don’t really know what I’m talking about, but I don’t really get this at all.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 17, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
especially last game
key RBI pinch hit situation, tie game NO MORGAN
11 innings total NO MORGAN
Other than that, it’s two guys one going 4/20, the other 2/17 getting playing time over 10/21 with 4 xbh and this smile 
Guess it's not vs. Pitcher numbers
Morgan vs Marquis (16 PA) .429/.500/.571
Gomez vs. Marquis – er, um….never
But, matchup decisions are stupid, as I mentioned. Just wanted to point out that there’s no reason to think Roenicke went based on the pitcher.
by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 17, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I certainly hope you're not trying to justify using a 26 PA sample size.
It looks like you are by backtracking and talking about a 3 year sample size.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Apr 17, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Why does sample size matter so much to everyone?
You go with the hot hand. If Morgan was getting the starts he should be getting, then you can get a better sample size. How can Morgan get a bigger sample size if he isn’t getting at bats? Who cares if this is only a hot streak? WE NEED RUNS! We need hitters. If Morgan starts to regress, then give the job back to Gomez or Kotsay.
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You wanna talk about sample size
Well, Gomez has had twice as many at bats, so let’s base both off of 21 at bats. That would be Gomez with 4 hits, and Morgan with 10.
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The hot hand is a terrible way to pick starters
Hot streaks eventually end and what a guy did the day before or the week before is much less predictive of future performance than what a guy has done over his career.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Is that you Ned Yost?
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however
I would like to see the markov model of one AB predicting the next. Or having a hit in a day if that predicts having a hit the next day. I would expect to see a slight bias toward keeping the trend.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 18, 2011 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions
wait?
what’s wrong with using short term stats AND long term stats to justify the same conclusion?
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 17, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
No amount of data will change his mind.
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What, that you had your mind made up about Morgan
and now you’re using small sample sizes to try to say ’I’m right’?
I NEVER said that I didn’t think he should start in this game, just that you can’t run around touting a 26 AB sample size.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Apr 17, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Its one thing to use the small sample
and then go and find a bigger sample and use it instead. Its the internet equivalent of ’I’m not going to actually admit that I shouldn’t use that sample, but this bigger one makes my point too, so I’ll use that’
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Apr 17, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough
basically, you’re saying he (Troy) got lucky
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 18, 2011 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Essentially
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Apr 18, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh whoops
you’re not even the same poster, you just wanted to help him out.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
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by Charlie Marlow on Apr 17, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Remember its a double header
Not that it is completely unreasonable to expect a guy to play 18 straight innings (I’m sure Braun and Fielder will today), but I don’t mind Roenicke’s decision here, assuming he will start Tony Plush in game 2. If he is only going to play one game, I would rather it be the game where we will most likely need more offense, with Estrada pitching.
The double header is a good opportunity to get guys PA while also keeping fresh guys in the lineup for game two. Just something to think about, as much as I would like to see Nyjer play both games.
The problem is he hasn't started Morgan over Kotsay regardless of the circumstances.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Now it's being reported he has a deep thigh bruise
So don’t expect to see him at all today.
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Yikes. Not sure what else Morgan needs to do to get a start...
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
I feel like Roenicke is being diplomatic.
He knows the bad blood between Morgan and the Nationals, and so to avoid any issues RR has refused to even let Morgan in as a pinch hitter.
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which would be dumb
but yeah, i’ll bet morgan said something dumb about eviscerating the nationals or something
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 17, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Roenicke may be concerned in the opposite direction too.
He may not want Morgan getting booed by the fans or plunked by the Nats.
But yeah, I don’t agree with the decision, you play baseball to win, not to make friends on opposing teams.
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I knew if I came here you guys
would be talking about it. The ‘buzz’ (my 2 followers and myself) on Twitter this AM is 2 things:
1) Plush is not with the MKE program and is a clubhouse problem.
2) Plush is actually Plush on Twitter and has been Tweeting during games.
Conspiracy theory abound for sure. However, there is no grassy knoll, the team isn’t from Roswell, and I am pretty sure Tony Plush had nothing to do with 9/11.
Any thoughts here as to why Morgan isn’t playing?
glass slippers???? I always drank out of a gold and ruby laced chalice that was served by Theodore, my butler.
by Brew Town Boozer on Apr 17, 2011 10:02 AM CDT reply actions
eh
I don’t buy #2. But there has to be some reason the guy is losing time to Mark Kotsay and his .250 SLG%.
glass slippers???? I always drank out of a gold and ruby laced chalice that was served by Theodore, my butler.
by Brew Town Boozer on Apr 17, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
No big mystery
I think Roenicke is just staying loyal to the guys he had all the way through spring training. If Morgan continues to make the most of his opportunities, he’ll either work his way into the lineup or the Brewers will trade him for some other piece when Hart returns.
by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 17, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Brewers will certainly keep him as a 4th OF
I think he’s viewed as a late-season backup and now we just have a whole in RF, no idea why he’s not being played. Any argument you could cook up sounds fishy with Morgan hitting 10/21 and the two others combined going 6/37. Not even mentioning Morgan’s speed, either.
Something has to be going on
vs Marquis:
Gomez .250/.295/.205
Kotsay .304/.250/.200
Morgan .522/.762/.476
vs RHP:
Morgan (career): .312/.364/.394, 337 wOBA
Kotsay (career): .277/.340/.412, .328 wOBA
Gomez (career): .251/.296/.346, .285 wOBA
There is staying loyal and then there is being loyal to a fault. Ride the hot hand of Morgan, especially when the numbers scream to do it. Insanely high BABIP, but why would you not stick with Morgan until he hangs a couple of 0-4’s? He has a chip on his shoulder and has something to prove. Both can be powerful motivators. In 2009 Plush and Braun had the same 4.9 WAR. Why can’t he do it again?
glass slippers???? I always drank out of a gold and ruby laced chalice that was served by Theodore, my butler.
by Brew Town Boozer on Apr 17, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I sure hope he starts game 2
Otherwise we may see a riot on our hands.
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Plush is not Plush on Twitter.
Because there have been tweets while Morgan was on the base paths…from the dugout, maybe, but if he was tweeting from the base paths there would be video/photographic evidence.
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Why do you think he fell down that one time?
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Apr 17, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You doubt that
a gentleman could find time to craft a well worded and clever tweet while measuring his lead from second?
Like I said, I came here for answers because it doesn’t make sense. I could not for sure say I saw a Tweet while on the bases.
glass slippers???? I always drank out of a gold and ruby laced chalice that was served by Theodore, my butler.
by Brew Town Boozer on Apr 17, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, the real Plush being the twitter account means one of two things.
1) He makes up conversations between himself, Roenicke, and Melvin that never happen.
OR
2) Roenicke said the word Plushdamentals
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EZ
he has a program to hold back his tweets until about 2 minutes after he goes to bat. If he’s not back to press a button in time, a tweet goes out that alludes to him being on base. If he hits the cancel button in time, nothing goes out. #plushdeadmanswitchprogrammingdementals
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 17, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
He knows when he's going to hit a standup triple.
He’s just that good.
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has gomez select from a drop down list?
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 17, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
But what if Gomez is also on base?
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Put the conspiracy theories to bed, kids.
Haudricourt sez Plush is hurt. Deep thigh bruise.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
by Rubie Q on Apr 17, 2011 10:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yes, but who is responsible?! I think Roenicke and Kotsay teamed up and attacked him.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
Angry Nationals fans...
Upset by our “unseemly glorification” of him. link
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Tony Plush was on the grassy knoll.
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Tony Plush was struck in the thigh by a weather balloon.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Apr 17, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Until the government
finally releases the transcripts of the Michael Savage interview of Tony Plush, we will never know FOR SURE if it is indeed a deep thigh bruise.
glass slippers???? I always drank out of a gold and ruby laced chalice that was served by Theodore, my butler.
by Brew Town Boozer on Apr 17, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Phillies series
The Phillies starters are now Blanton, Halladay, and Lee. I think earlier it had been three of the big four.
I'm just pretending those games don't exist
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You forgot his name is And Joe Blanton
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Are we only going to talk Morgan?
There’s a deity in the lineup! And Gomez batting 8th!
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