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I honestly don't know what to say this morning. I had company over for last night's second game, but even we turned it off early and wandered off to play board games. The disappointment of yesterday's doubleheader sweep is tangible at this point, and it'll be completely understandable if there aren't many people who want to read about or discuss this team today.
I guess all I can offer in form of encouragement at this point is the possibility that this might be rock bottom, that getting beaten twice and nearly no-hit yesterday might be the embarrassment we eventually acknowledge as 2011's turning point. Maybe we'll eventually compare this road trip to the disastrous trip to Boston in 2008 where the Brewers completely failed to compete and got swept, but then turned it around and made the playoffs.
Or, maybe we're in for a really long season. I think we're at the point where we have to acknowledge the possibility. Lately Brewer games have been almost as painful to watch as this rap video.
Zack Greinke's return wasn't quite the spark many of us were hoping for last night, as he was only able to complete four innings and allowed five runs (four earned) on five hits, walking one and striking out six. Tom Haudricourt noticed that his velocity dipped from around 92-94 in the first inning to 89-92 later in the outing. After the game, Greinke said all of his pitches were decent, but nothing was amazing.
Greinke's new defense didn't wait very long to start letting him down, as two first inning errors led to the first Braves run in game two. Christina Kahrl of ESPN says the Brewer defense is something Greinke is going to have to work around all season. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker took a look at last night's peripheral numbers, though, and said Greinke will be fine.
With that said, Tom Haudricourt said it's going to take more than Zack Greinke to fix what's ailing this Brewer team, and it's hard to disagree with him.
Not everyone's a pessimist, though: Before yesterday's games Rob Neyer said the Brewers are in good shape, and Jeff Sullivan of SBNation.com said Greinke's return should give the Brewers a "Dynamite Five-Deep Rotation."
Other notes from the field:
- Rickie Weeks was the only Brewer to get a hit in game two, and as such he has the Brewers' longest active hitting streak at three games.
- Martin Prado, Marco Estrada and Nate McLouth are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting for game one.
- Tim Hudson, Zack Greinke and Dan Uggla are leading the voting for game two.
- Here's a transcript of Ron Roenicke's postgame comments.
- The quote that sums it up is probably this one: Roenicke said "We're not doing anything well right now."
- 15,543 paid to see the doubleheader yesterday.
- The Brewers are now 0-4 in doubleheaders in 2011. They swept the Mets in their only twin bill in 2010.
- Howie Magner has an excellent idea for a feature to add to Brewer broadcasts.
- Carson Cistulli has a look at Bob Uecker's unique relationship with Usinger's Sausages.
It had been widely suspected that the Brewers would send Marco Estrada to AAA to make room for Greinke, but they went another route and outrighted Brandon Boggs back to Nashville (FanShot). Boggs once again has the right to refuse the assignment, and for the second time I'd be very surprised if he doesn't choose free agency. At one point or another this season the Brewers have chosen Erick Almonte, Mark Kotsay, Jeremy Reed and a collection of relievers over Boggs, so it's safe to assume the organization doesn't think much of him.
Despite mentioning the possibility and having an extra reliever around just in case, the Brewers opted not to make any more roster moves yesterday. It's possible they could make one to activate a fresh arm today, though. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar says Mitch Stetter and Sean Green are wasting roster spots at this point.
Jonathan Lucroy went 0-for-4 in yesterday's first game but is still hitting .314/.386/.412 on the season. Josh Wussow of Inside Wisconsin Sports has a look at Lucroy's improved plate discipline in 2011.
Of course, plate discipline is only an asset when the strike zone is consistent: Jonathan Scippa of Baseball Analytics says Rickie Weeks and Prince Fielder have combined to have 50 strikes called on pitches outside the zone in 2011.
John Axford had a bad day yesterday too, allowing two runs on three hits in the eighth inning of the second game. It was his first appearance in a week. He still has his mustache, though, and The Hall of Very Good has some facts about it.
At least we won't have to sit through an off day stewing over yesterday's debacles: Arden Zwelling of MLB.com has a preview of today's series finale.
As if we needed the reminder: Chris Cwik of FanGraphs has another look at Yovani Gallardo's continued struggles. He noted that hitters are making more contact when they swing at Gallardo's pitches.
Elsewhere in bad news: Manny Parra's rehab assignment in Nashville has been shut down after he suffered a sprained UCL and strained flexor tendon in his elbow. He's now out indefinitely.
In the minors:
- The affiliates went 0-4 last night, with both Huntsville and Nashville losing in extra innings. Minor League Notes are on a brief hiatus this weekend, but the Brewerfan.net Link Report has recaps of all four games.
- All four teams are back in action today, and Wisconsin takes on Beloit at 11 am. Del Howell is scheduled to pitch for the Timber Rattlers.
- The Sounds posted video of an interview with Eric Farris and former Brewer prospect Lorenzo Cain.
The timing on this probably isn't the greatest, but the Brewers have a pretty good deal available today for fans still interested in paying to watch this team: In honor of Ryan Braun winning NL Player of the Month for April, they're selling loge bleachers and terrace box seats for the May 23rd and 24th Nationals games for $8 until 5 pm today.
Around baseball:
Mets: Placed pitcher Pedro Beato on the DL with elbow tendonitis.
Padres: Placed second baseman Orlando Hudson on the DL with a hamstring strain.
Rangers: Designated pitcher Ramon Aguero for assignment.
Twins: Placed outfielder Jason Repko on the DL with a sore left quad.
The Brewers only dropped half a game in the standings yesterday as the Marlins beat the Cardinals in the ninth inning. You already know that and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central.
Today in former Brewers:
- Morineko reports that Seth McClung, currently pitching for AAA Round Rock, says hi.
- Matt Stairs started 2011 0-for-13 for the Nationals, but his first hit of the season came last night and it was the 100th pinch hit of his career.
Tim Lincecum is only 26 years old, but Jayson Stark noted that he pitched his 29th career ten strikeout game last night. To put that into perspective, here's the Brewer career leaderboard:
| Pitcher | 10 K Games |
| Teddy Higuera | 16 |
| Ben Sheets | 15 |
| Yovani Gallardo | 10 |
| Marty Pattin | 4 |
| Nine others tied | 3 |
Lincecum also threw 127 pitches in the game.
A lot of us had a long day watching baseball yesterday. Red Sox fans, however, might have had it worse: Their team lost to the Angels 5-3 in 13 innings last night, in a game that took five hours to play and included a 2 hour, 35 minute rain delay. The game ended at 2:45 AM Eastern time after the winning run scored while the Angels broadcasters were wearing wrestling masks.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a record to break.
Drink up.
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This is just a test.
So bad fans can be exposed.
Use this information to adjust your twitter feeds, facebook friends & real-life friends accordingly.
by klwillis45 on May 5, 2011 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
And if any of you occasionally read the JSOnline comments.
Now is a good time to STAY AWAY.
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I can probably predict those comments (though I will stay away from them).
Doom, gloom, and destruction of anyone who says the smallest positive thing.
This is probably how they’re viewing it right now.

"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
by -JP- on May 5, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahahahaha
heard on the dodgers game that mattingly offers a certain player $1 if he goes the other way..gets a dollar if the guy pulls it..I SWORE thats what I heard(not sure what player or if its more than one)..I guess in baseball, that thing is legal…anyway..I wish we would do that…
money talks..get the guys thinking..if every other team gets easy hits off our shift..and teams do the shift vs us..why not do what they do? a dollar for productive outs..pay a dollar if you dont have a hit or productive out..
I’m sure making or losing $25 will really “talk” to one of the Brewers.
Concern is high, but panic hasn't set in yet.
It might if the next series doesn’t go well. The only thing keeping me from going to panic right now is the knowledge that Marcum and Wolf pitch the next two days, and they can help stabilize everything and get it going in the right direction.
If the losing streak hits seven, it’s going to be very tempting to hit that panic button.
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
You get a rec for that
I didn’t even think you could do that with an image.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Just click the picture icon, link to the picture, then highlight the img src tag it spits out and click the link button.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on May 5, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I get rec'd for teaching how to use the link button for normal stuff...
you deserve a rec for this trick.
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Also, I think I went a week or more before realizing your name wasn't DEUCE SLICE
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
I can top that
For a while, I thought MrLeam actually spelled his name McLearn.
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
I get how you do it
Just didn’t think about actually trying it.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
The Brewers have to fall pretty far out of it for me to panic this early in the season.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
On the other hand.
The Brewers are only one game ahead of the Astros. And are half a game behind the Diamondbacks.
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In a crappy division though. If we were 10.5 GB like the White Sox are right now, it might be time to panic.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
At that point you just burn the stadium.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on May 5, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Make sure to rescue the valuable Prince Fielder cargo for shipment though!
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
I'm not saying "panic".
But I think concern and being disheartened is to be expected.
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The Brewers are certainly not out of contention, agreed.
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Aside from Wandy Rodriquez
the Brewers lack of offense hasn’t come against scrubs. These numbers obviously include the start against the Brewers so take them with a grain of salt, but take a glance at the starters they’ve faced:
4/30: W. Rodriguez: 4.26 ERA; 7.8 K/9
5/1: B Norris: 3.03 ERA; 11.0 K/9
5/4: T. Hanson: 2.63 ERA; 9.0 K/9
5/4: T. Hudson: 2.86 ERA; 4.7 K/9
Those were also all on the road. Perhaps when the Brewers don’t face starters in the top 25% of the major leagues, they’ll start putting up some runs on the board.
Regarding the pitches called off the plate, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize nearly all of the strikes being called outside the zone against Fielder are off the outside edge of the plate. They’re similarly giving him a ton of balls on the inside edge of the plate. The umpires simply don’t have a good view of the strike zone with Fielder always crowding the plate. By Texas-Leaguers PITCH F/X, Fielder’s own personal strike zone is shifted about 2-3 inches outside of the normal strike zone. Fielder isn’t at all unique in this trend as a left-handed hitter.
Insinuating that Wandy Rodriguez is a scrub based on his stats from this season is sort of like saying Gallardo is a scrub, too, isn't it?
"Aside from Wandy Rodriguez"
sets him apart in scrub-ville.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 5, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
"Aside from Wandy Rodriguez the Brewers lack of offense hasn't come against scrubs"
Meaning the other three he listed were not scrubs but Wandy is/was.
Okay, so that wasn't really well thought out
The point was that the Brewers have been anemic against guys that have had success this year.
we're barely into the season
part of the reason those pitchers have had success is one of their games has been against the brewers;)
by PagsBrewCrew on May 5, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
The Brewers also lit up the reigning Cy Young winner earlier this season.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
manny parra shut down.
great, i get to watch more mitch stetter. this is not me panicking, this is me hating our bullpen options aside from loe, kinzler and axford.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
There are other relievers in AAA.
McClendon, Justin James, Mark DiFelice…
Now that's great tasting chicken!
since parra's being shut down doesn't further impact the bullpen
what would be the chances of difelice actually getting brought back up without further injuries?
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 5, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
DiFelice was effective in ST
and he’s been effective in Nashville. I see no reason why he shouldn’t be considered… particularly as a replacement for Green.
Unfortunately, with Braddock and Parra on the DL, I don’t know if they many lefty options.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I'd so much prefer Mark D to Green at this point
Such a shame that Saito’s gone.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Anyone scout him recently?
I think DiFelice was having problems throwing pitchers for strikes. Or as we as Brewer fans call it.. Brewers pitching.
Mmmm, throwing pitchers for strikes.

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Not in Nashville, he doesn't
8 IP, 11 SO, 2 BB, 1 R, 0.875 WHIP
With those numbers, he’s probably being used as a ROOGY, but I can’t possibly see why Sean Green is in Milwaukee and DiFelice is in Nashville at this point.
Agreed
Axford and Loe weren’t even on the team at this time last season.
Proud owner of the Gold Glove Gamels.
by Brew Town Boozer on May 5, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
we also didn't go to the playoffs last season
or finish above .500
by PagsBrewCrew on May 5, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
My point was
agreeing that there may be quality arms in Nashville that are better than what is in Milwaukee.
I am aware we didn’t go to the playoffs or finish above .500 last season.
Proud owner of the Gold Glove Gamels.
by Brew Town Boozer on May 5, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Something to cheer you up
Cubs fans love to fail
BCB: Pointless Exercises in Devils Advocacy
BCB Fantasy Football League 2 Champ
by Jeo on May 5, 2011 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
In honor of the BCB Cinco de Mayo tradition...
Today I’m fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
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by Yar Nivek on May 5, 2011 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
oh thank god if that's true
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 5, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice to see that we weren't the only ones who thought Green was ineffective
McClendon makes a better choice than DiFelice at this point since McClendon is already on the 40-man roster.
Here’s to hoping that someone claims Green off waivers so it’ll free up a 40-man spot (very doubtful that’ll happen).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
It's not DiFelice
but I’ll take him over Green. One fewer terrible arm in the bullpen only strengthens the team. Go McClendon!
The Press-Gazette
will scoop anyone on anything that involves “green.”
by mpbMKE on May 5, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not panicking
but very concerned. The bad, 6-12 in the last 18. The good, only 3.5 back.
Rare stereotype
How can a stereotype be rare? Wouldn’t it be called an ipodtype?
Celebrating the addition of Greinke and mourning the loss of my man crush Cain
Did Jordan just have an email read on the Jim Rome show?
I’m sure he’s the only Jordan in Madison
Slowly negating baseball nerdery on BrewCrewBall.
JEO's Fantasy Football team sucked.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 5, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions
Haha no actually, strange coincidence. What was it about?
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
The Brewers could lose 100 games a year
and I would still go for the awesome tailgating and fun ballpark experience. A rough day sucks and a rough week sucks even more but things will get better.
If that happens...
…at least it will be easier to plan to go to games in the summer.
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
We all just need
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Has anyone else been watching 'Game of Thrones' on HBO?
Glad to see Pujols getting some extra work in the role of Khal Drogo.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
I'm getting real sick of Lance Berkman
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on May 5, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I have too much hope, allowing myself to dream about a successful season.
Time to aim lower, then maybe I can feel happier whenever they do something well.
With that said, today’s lineup.
2B Rickie Weeks
CF Nyjer Morgan
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
3B Casey McGehee
SS Yuniesky Betancourt
RF Corey Hart
C Jonathan Lucroy
RHP Shaun Marcum
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
I like it, except for Yuni batting 6th. FREE LUCROY!
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Why is Lucroy still 8th?!
Did he do something to anger RR? How can Yuni not be in the 8th slot by now? Someone needs to get Craig Counsell to write up the batting order while RR isn’t looking.
I am starting to question hiring a rookie manager
as being right for a team that has a one or two year window to win it.
All managers are the same.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on May 5, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on ecocd
The catcher bats eighth. If Rickie reaches in the 1st, he’s bunted over. Runner on third heads home on contact. Loe pitches every day. Axford pitches in a save situation. Almonte has a place on an MLB roster. Nieves needs to play more than once a week.
It’s common sense.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on May 5, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I suppose there's something to be said for saving the catcher's legs
I know you were being a bit sarcastic, but I guess not having Lucroy bat 6th as he deserves means a handful fewer PA over the course of the season.
Didn’t Roenicke says something earlier in the year about not wanting to put too much pressure on Lucroy early? It’s May. It’s no longer early.
And wouldn’t Yuni benefit from hitting in front of the pitcher? He’ll see a lot of stuff out of the zone that he doesn’t have to swing at ….. riiiiight. Maybe RR isn’t batting Lucroy in the 8th slot so much as not batting Yuni in the 8th slot.
Yeah, I'm full-on sarcastic
RR seems very “by the book” and its somewhat unusual to bat the catcher in the top of the order, so I think that’s why he has the hesitation.
Get a ife broseph
Lucroy's OPS last year was worse than YuniE6's career OPS
If Lucroy is feeling comfortable in the 8 spot and is hitting well I’m absolutely fine with leaving him in there. If we moved him up and he lost confidence in his stroke that’s just another black hole in the lineup.
by MGT on May 5, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I would agree, but no need to rush things. Lucroy's only 50 PA into his sophomore season.
by MGT on May 5, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not rushing, but you want to win baseball games
Brewers are losing lots of baseball games and the offense is struggling. Putting a higher OBP guy higher in the lineup is a logical thing to do.
Lucroy is 25 years old, no need to coddle him. He’ll be OK.
Even with that logic, why would you assume Lucroy would lose confidence in higher up? Isn’t there just as good of chance he gets more confidence if he’s higher up?
Get a ife broseph
He sucked last year, why does 50 PA this year make you think he's going not going to regress to last year?
He’s been excellent this year so far. I don’t want to ruin a good thing. When has ‘shaking things up’ ever worked for the brewers?
And maybe someone else can do the math, but I can’t believe you would more than a handful or runs over the course of the season by moving Lucroy from 8, to what 7?
by MGT on May 5, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
If you can get a handful of more runs, you should probably do it.
I guess I don’t see how moving him one spot will make him a worse hitter and the benefit is a few extra runs for the offense. It didn’t matter where he hit last year, don’t know why it suddenly would this year.
Avoiding making a move because you think he’ll be worse batting in a different spot seems like pure superstition.
We’re probably in agreement that this is the 7,439th most important issue facing this team anyways, I’d just take easy improvements where you can get them.
Get a ife broseph
Definitely # 7439
- for me is whether or not Casey “NeverRegress” McGehee is now being audited by the Regression Department and whether not he’s looking at backpay for all the regression he hasn’t paid up on.
by MGT on May 5, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
people are questioning batting Lucroy in the 8th spot, but not Hart in the 7th spot?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Hart is struggling right now
I’m glad they moved him down until he starts to hit again
Get a ife broseph
Went to the Huntsville game on Wednesday...
Weird and very long game; nearly 4-1/2 hours. Can’t ever recall seeing so many 3-2 counts in one game. Both starting pitchers and several of the relievers had major control issues. Wily Peralta was throwing 93 MPH consistently but he had little idea where it was going. He surrendered 5 runs over 3 innings and was pulled. The pitching star of the night, as far as I’m concerned, was Lucas Luetge. He pitched 5 innings in relief, zero runs on 3 hits (one of which was a popup that the shortstop lost in the sun), one walk, 2 K’s, and he picked off a runner at first. I realize Luetge isn’t really a prospect, but he looked pretty darn good in long relief and kept the Stars in the game. Roque Mercedes struck out the side in the 10th, but he had a control meltdown in the 11th and surrendered Jacksonville’s final two runs. The offense was scrappy, battling back from a 5-1 deficit to tie it in the bottom of the 9th on a single by Martin Maldanado. Then Charles Caufield, pinch hitting for Robert Hinton, smashed a line drive that would have won the game, but the pitcher snagged it in a self-defense catch. None of the hitters had a great line; Matt Cline was 1-for-4 with a double (the Stars’ only extra-base hit) and a walk.











































