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Some things to read while counting the Keiths.

The Brewers lost their sixth straight game and their guru of Plushdamentals last night, as Nyjer Morgan broke the middle finger on his left hand on a bunt attempt and will be out for 2-4 weeks (FanShot). The Brewers will almost certainly make a roster move today to replace him, which could mean Brandon Boggs will be back sooner than any of us expected.

Unfortunately, the Brewers wasted a pretty good outing from Shaun Marcum last night. He allowed just one run on five hits over seven innings but was lifted after just 98 pitches, causing Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar to wonder if he's on a strict pitch count. He's thrown between 94 and 102 pitches in each of his last five starts.

This is likely the least of the Brewers concerns right now, but a poster at Brewerfan.net brings up a good point: If Marcum continues on his breakout pace in 2011, it's going to make it harder for the Brewers to work out a deal to keep him in Milwaukee past the end of the 2012 season.

Meanwhile, Kameron Loe allowed a home run to the first batter he faced in the eighth inning last night to give the Braves the eventual winning run. If was only the fourth time in seventeen outings this season he's allowed a run, and the second in his last eight appearances. After the game he told Tom Haudricourt, "We're going to see what kind of character we have."

Other notes from the field:

The Brewers also made a roster move yesterday, optioning Sean Green to Nashville and recalling Mike McClendon (FanShot). The move is somewhat interesting because nearly all of us were operating under the assumption that Green was out of options. In fact, the folks at Brewerfan.net still can't figure out how he had one left. Furthermore, the fact that he could have been sent down at any time makes the decision to hang on to him this long all the more puzzling.

Looking back a day: Prince Fielder had the only Brewer home run in Wednesday's doubleheader, a solo shot off Tommy Hanson. Baseball Analytics has a great look at the at bat. Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus timed Fielder's trot at 21.81 seconds.

Continuing to look back, Eric Seidman of FanGraphs says Brewer fans shouldn't be overly concerned by Zack Greinke's rough start Wednesday. Jordan has more on the subject. The Brewers say they aren't having second thoughts about the decision to bring Greinke back when they did.

Meanwhile, this is how Tim Hudson dominated the Brewers: He threw 26 of his 29 (89.7%) first pitches for strikes, the highest percentage by a starting pitcher this season.

I probably don't need to tell you this, but this is shaping up to be a pretty important weekend for the Brewers. Yesterday's loss dropped them to 4.5 games back of the Cardinals, but they've got an opportunity to make up that ground in a hurry as they open play in St. Louis tonight. If they could find a way to sweep or take two of three from the Cardinals this weekend then they'd return home with some momentum and having closed the gap a bit. If they can't find a way to win the series, though, then they'll have dug a pretty serious hole on this trip. Here's more on the series:

Three of these four things are not surprising, but the fourth caught me off guard: Matthew Pouliot of Hardball Talk reports that NL teams combined have 32 positions that are hitting worse than the Astros' pitchers (who have a combined .650 OPS). The Brewers have four of them: Center field, right field, shortstop...and third base. Casey McGehee is hitting .246/.304/.333 in his 29 starts there, and Craig Counsell is 0-for-7 in the other two games.

It's no secret that the Brewers could use some help at shortstop, and Jose Reyes continues to be a likely candidate to become available. Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated listed the Brewers as one of six teams that could use him.

Meanwhile, we're still not sure how the Brewers are planning on using Marco Estrada going forward. Baseball America has an article about him, but it's subscriber-only.

In the minors:  The news isn't much better for the affiliates, who went 1-4 yesterday and are now 1-8 in the last two days. Huntsville picked up yesterday's only win, beating Jacksonville in game two of a doubleheader. Minor League Notes are on hiatus this weekend, so you can read recaps of yesterday's games at Brewerfan.net.

If you'd like more Brewer coverage this morning but you're sick of reading, the View From Bernie's Chalet podcast is up. This week's topics include Zack Greinke, Yovani Gallardo and more.

We could all use a laugh after a tough week, right? If you haven't yet, check out the photoshop archive Nullacct posted early this morning. Here's my favorite:

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Around baseball:

Astros: Placed closer Brandon Lyon on the DL with a partial rotator cuff tear.
Mets: Signed reliever Brian Sweeney to a minor league deal.
Rays: Are expected to place pitcher Jeff Niemann on the DL with a lower back strain.
Red Sox: Placed relievers Bobby Jenks (biceps strain) and Dan Wheeler (calf strain) on the DL.

You already know about Lyon and much more if you read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central. If you haven't yet, go do it now.

Today in former Brewers:

Today in baseball economics:

  • Baseball's arbitration system could be changing soon: Keith Law says the "Super 2" rule determining when a player is eligible for arbitration for the first time "probably will" change before players called up for the first time this season are eligible to take advantage of it.
  • Rays attendance, which wasn't all that impressive last year, is down 30% this year.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to look up "shambolic."

Drink up.

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With manny now injured and not coming back for awhile

does that mean marco will stick around for long relief?

by RyanSmith on May 6, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Do people really want to extend Marcum?

His mechanics are not good, and he’s only going to lose more velocity. I’ll be ecstatic if he survives until the end of next season without a major injury.

by cwolf20 on May 6, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, but I do realize

That he is a beast, and I love having him on the team. He’s been our best pitcher so far.

by cwolf20 on May 6, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was about to comment on his pitch count but I’ll just throw it in here. I don’t think Marcum will ever have a pitch count higher than 100 for the rest of his career. It will be interesting to see the market for him three years removed from Tommy John if he stays healthy. He is not really that old. Same age as Narveson I think. He has been really good though.

by grant76 on May 6, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is old actually.

So is Narveson. Marcum will be 30 in his first FA year.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on May 6, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

that’s freaking ancient

by PagsBrewCrew on May 6, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know pitchers with marginal stuff never decline rapidly after 30.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on May 6, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shhh

Better not point that out to the Phillies… they obviously don’t realize that they have a bunch of old guys in their rotation.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on May 6, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marcum threw 100+ pitches in most of his starts last season

Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).

by SRB on May 6, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewerfan.net option clock

Green’s option usage as per djoctagone, my interpretation
2010: 24-25 days down in the minors post option use
2007: 23 days in the minors post option use.
2006: 16+3 days optioned down – no option used

2011: has option available

by PagsBrewCrew on May 6, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Is it possible the Front Office, like us, did not know the option was available until recently?

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by Yar Nivek on May 6, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

check my math on the 2006 thing

9th through 24th is 16 days….then it says he went down for 3 more days.

Tom H says "tom haudricourt | JS Staff – May 05, 2011 12:53 PM
Yes, I am sure that Green was optioned and is still on the 40-man roster. That’s the official announcement by the Brewers. "

by PagsBrewCrew on May 6, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reyes

Beyond the Box score had a piece on him yesterday as well. I know the Brewers “need” and probably would like to go and get him, but he will be owed a bit of money once dealt away, and the Mets will want pretty decent prospects in return.

It’s just not very feasable. I figure even if you have to pay for the last 2/3 months of his remaining contracts, the Mets will ask for at least a 25-50 range pitcher or hitter (in prospects), which the organization just doesnt have. Leaving the only viable option a deal involving 2 of Rivas/Peralta/Scarpetta and a guy like Gennett as well.

I’m calling Twins and Rays as best bets to land Reyes if he isnt extended.

by backtocali on May 6, 2011 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah, i don' tthink we can afford to match the value of the two prospects.

Gamel would have to be involved, and then who plays 1st next year?

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by tcyoung on May 6, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gamel wouldn't have much value in most trades

Especially to the Mets, who have the corner OF spots and 1B covered.

Agree with BtC, I don’t think the Brewers really have close to the type of prospects the Mets would like.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on May 6, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Braun

But he has a really good fielding percentage in LF, why move him?

by backtocali on May 6, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

jordan brown?

i swear we signed someone 2 weeks ago that had some mlb experience, but is a craptastic defender

by PagsBrewCrew on May 6, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh that guy

Well I think that Cecil Fielder is available too. Probably could get him on some sort of a debt repayment plan.

by backtocali on May 6, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jordan Brown, 1B/OF

Minor league filler for the secret Gamel-Tulowitzki trade.

Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).

by SRB on May 6, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't we all just admit that nobody can predict what MLB GMs are going to do?

It seems like I’ve heard “the prospects aren’t there” before almost every trade in recent memory.

I agree that Melvin wanting to trade for Reyes seems unlikely though.

Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).

by SRB on May 6, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good point

I would have never imagined that DM would have included the players he did in the Greinke trade, much less KC agreeing to them. Unless there are prospects who have huge breakout years this year, I just cant imagine it. And although I wouldnt put it past DM, I just cant imagine he would further damage the future by sending what little future talent there is on hand, off for a 3 month rental.

It would be like that Dumb and Dumber scene where Llyod “totally redeems” himself.

by backtocali on May 6, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one having this problem?

The past couple days, the links to twitter come up blank in the morning…does Twitter need coffee?

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by Yar Nivek on May 6, 2011 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Upcoming Cardinals series concern

The stat that was shown during last night’s game about this Cards series is that the Cardinals starting pitchers scheduled have a record of 10-1 so far this season. Given the lack of timely hitting for the crew in this six game losing streak, I don’t have a good feeling about this…

by ddloml on May 6, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

We seem to be facing every team's best starters the past few weeks

And that’s definitely not helping the situation.

If we don’t make up any ground this weekend (and that means, obviously, we lose ground) is it too early to start thinking of possible returns we might get by trading Prince in July & calling up Gamel for a half-season of 1B experience?

by Brew Angel on May 6, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that a serious question?

We’re 4.5 games out of first place and have played only 31 games.

Why even think about a trade that’s not going to happen for almost three months?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on May 6, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank goodness for Bill Hall

How is that not front page ESPN MLB news? Frickin’ East Coast bias. If anyone in NY or Boston had said it, there would’ve been a picture of them answering the question, if not video or audio.

I’m glad someone finally said something about it. MLB won’t respond until the sportswriters get off their lazy asses and keep peppering the front offices with questions and stirring up the fanbase.

by ecocd on May 6, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Won't disagree with them

But in this case, Bill Hall is also 100% correct.

by bobhope2003 on May 6, 2011 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Memo to Cardinal fan:

Thank you for your interesting shot across the bow with respect to Brewers players and good fashon sense. In truth, you are correct…Sometimes Brewer players like Mike Cameron and Ryan Braun do not excercise a flair for fashion.

Truth be told, the Brewers also lack a rich history of:

1. Gamefully employing players that flip off their managers in public every decade or so.
2. Hiring managers that pass out drunk at intersections late at night.
3. Featuring closers that do commercials extolling the greatness of Cardinal Nation during the game, then bad-mouth the fan base in post-game interviews.
4. Employing hitting coaches that cheat to break records, lie under oath before congress, and then have highways named after them.

Cardinal fan…Sheep Nation….You are nothing more than red-clad, dust licking pimps, and slaves of the scum…just like your players and management.
  

by 07_08_World Champs on May 6, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I believe this is the definition of sinking to someones level

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by Jeo on May 6, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just dont get the sentiment here

I get why Brewer fans get up in arms over the Cubs because of the long standing Milwaukee vs Chicago rivalry, and the close proximity to the city, as well as having a lot of people from Chicago living in the area.

But when it comes to the Cardinals, and this hatred, it almost sometimes sounds like an NBA type of “hater” thing going on. And I cant really believe I just used that word. They are the Yankees of the NL. They have an SOB manager, and carry themselves with a certain arrogance.

But Cards fans could really care less about the Brewers and comments above come off as a jealousy thing rather than a good natured rivaly sort of thing (even though there isnt one). Not sure how many Brewer fans feel this way about the Cards, but it doesnt portray Brewer fans very favorably, in fact sort of makes them look like Cub fans.

by backtocali on May 6, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dislike a lot of their players and their manager

As well as a certain number of Card fans I’ve come across on the internet (my real-life Cardinal friends are cool cats).

Is that not allowed?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on May 6, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sure its allowed

But it just seems silly to automatically have this hatred for them because of that.

Do you dislike Yuniesky Betancourt, or Carlos Gomez? Did you dislike Ned Yost?

I cant stand LaRussa, I’m not particularly a fan of a guy like Pujols, but it just seems a bit immature When the Astros were making playoff appearances and the WS, was there this sort of animosity towards them?

by backtocali on May 6, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cheer for both Yuni and Gomez because they play baseball for my favorite team

Its sports — you’re supposed to like and dislike teams for rational and irrational reasons, I don’t think that’s immature.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on May 6, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, sports, and Hungarians.

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by Yar Nivek on May 6, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you dissect sports rivalries, or sports in general, they're not going to make sense.

The Cardinals objectively are the comically villainous Alpha Betas of the NL Central though.

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by SRB on May 6, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

has anyone thought of selling

Pies with pictures of Cardinal wives?

by backtocali on May 6, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

If so..

here’s a good place to start.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on May 6, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I dont know if they could sell a lot of pies if that was the picture underneath.

by backtocali on May 6, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

They whine constantly

and I can’t stand Pujols, I have actually seen him not run out a double play ball that he hit.

by Wisfan on May 6, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

But

Has he never not run out a ball that started out foul, but ended up being fair?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on May 6, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have to win at least 1 this weekend.

That would put us 5.5 out which is doable. 7.5 out and having lost 9 in a row would be very tough to come back from.

by Wisfan on May 6, 2011 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

If they get swept this weekend

wouldn’t the Brewers be 6.5 games out?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on May 6, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

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