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by Kyle Lobner on Jun 1, 2011 10:50 AM CDT
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The Brewers have only won twice in Cincinnati since July of 2009, but one of those wins came last night. Zack Greinke (who is also a recent winner of Hangwith'em Rach's El Super Award) held the Reds to two runs over six innings and the Brewers connected for two home runs in a 7-2 victory.
Last night's win improved the Brewers to 16-5 since May 9. They're the best team in baseball over that stretch. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar says they still have nowhere to go but up on the road.
Unfortunately, Casey McGehee has not been participating in the Brewer hot streak. He went 0-for-4 last night and hit just .218/.275/.318 in May. Kevin Roberts of MLB Soup listed McGehee in this week's Major Slump Report.
Other notes from the field:
- Prince Fielder was hit by a pitch for the 75th time in his major league career yesterday, and as you might expect Plunk Everyone has much more.
- John Axford, who needed 28 pitches to work through the ninth in a non-save situation, took advantage of an opportunity to work on his tan before yesterday's game.
- Reds pitcher Chad Reineke, making a spot start, allowed six runs over 6.1 innings and was allowed to hit for himself with the bases loaded and no one out in the fourth inning. After the game, Dusty Baker told reporters that he only had four available relievers so he couldn't lift Reineke early.
- Here's a transcript of Ron Roenicke's postgame comments.
- Corey Hart, Zack Greinke and Chad Reineke are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Last night's win was the Brewers' 17th in May, and they're celebrating by taking $17 off the price of Loge Outfield and Terrace Box tickets for next week's Mets series.
The two teams play the rubber match in the series tonight, with Shaun Marcum taking on Mike Leake. Jordan Schelling of MLB.com has the preview. Looking further ahead, the Brewers plan to pitch Randy Wolf, Yovani Gallardo, Chris Narveson and Zack Greinke in that order in this weekend's four game series with the Marlins.
Yuniesky Betancourt went 0-for-4 last night and finished May with a .178/.200/.289 batting line. Here are some related notes:
- Cory Provus listed Betancourt as a disappointment in his May thoughts.
- Josh Wussow of Inside Wisconsin Sports says Betancourt needs to go.
- Eno Sarris of FanGraphs listed the Brewers as candidates to acquire Mets SS Jose Reyes, Orioles SS J.J. Hardy, Dodgers SS Rafael Furcal and Mariners SS Jack Wilson.
- Toby Harrmann of You Know, And That has ten facts about Betancourt.
- Betancourt projects to be a Type B free agent this winter, but the Brewers would have to offer him arbitration to get any compensation in return for him.
If the Brewers would like to add another shortstop to their roster, they have room: MLB Trade Rumors notes that the Brewers only have 38 players on their 40 man roster.
They'll need one of those spots, though, when or if Takashi Saito is activated off the 60-day DL. Saito pitched a bullpen session yesterday and reported no issues.
Ryan Braun also went 0-for-4 last night but drew a walk and has now reached base safely in 21 of his last 22 games (with his May 24 ejection as the lone exception). Braun is also the leading All Star vote-getter among NL outfielders (FanShot). Dave Cameron notes that it might be hard to pick a center fielder out of the current leaders (Braun, Matt Holliday and Lance Berkman).
Jonathan Lucroy hit his sixth home run last night, snapping a brief 0-for-8 slump. This week's edition of A Simple Kind of Fan has praise for him for his excellent season to date.
One would imagine there's plenty of room on Josh Wilson's mantle for baseball memorabilia, but apparently he's not interested. He and the team made no effort to retrieve the ball from his first Brewer home run on Monday.
With last night's win the Brewers are past the 1/3rd mark for the 2011 regular season. ESPN asked their SweetSpot writers to grade their team's performances to this point, and Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker gave the Brewers a B+.
In the minors:
- The affiliates went 0-4 last night, with Zach Braddock walking three batters but allowing no runs over .2 innings in Nashville's 7-2 loss to Iowa. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- Brevard County 1B/OF Brock Kjeldgaard was named the Florida State League Player of the Week yesterday. He hit .434/.519/1.000 over seven games and is now at .252/.346/.484 in the pitcher-friendly league this season.
- Kjeldgaard was 0-for-3 with a strikeout last night as the Manatees came two outs away from getting no-hit by Bradenton pitcher Kyle McPherson.
- Brewersprospects.com named Erik Komatsu and Tyler Thornburg their Players of the Month.
Today in power rankings: USA Today has the Brewers at 11, up five spots.
If you haven't yet, please take a moment this morning to vote in this week's BCB Tracking Poll. It will remain open until tonight and results will be posted tomorrow.
Around baseball:
Cubs: Placed outfielder Alfonso Soriano on the DL with a groin strain.
Reds: Designated pitcher Tom Cochran for assignment.
Despite coming out on top in Cincinnati the Brewers still didn't gain any ground in the Central last night. The Cardinals picked up another late inning win and the Brewers remain 2.5 games back. You know that and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central.
In former Brewers: Brett Lawrie had a scary moment last night, as he left a AAA game and had to be taken to the hospital for X-rays after getting hit by a pitch on his left hand. The results came back negative and he's expected to be called up to the Blue Jays soon.
Today in baseball economics: The Mariners are 28-26 and only a half game back in the AL West, but apparently that's not enough to bring out the fans. The ten smallest crowds in Safeco Field history are all from this season. (h/t @JWuss)
Those small crowds, however, have an overabundance of people who like to run on the field. Jon Bois of SBNation.com has the most compelling story you'll read today about four people arrested for trespassing.
There's been a fair amount of conversation recently about a potential rule change to protect catchers in plays at the plate. Three catchers have been DL'ed after collisions since Friday, and Athletics GM Billy Beane reportedly has asked Kurt Suzuki to avoid those situations going forward.
I usually try not to post much about the Red Sox here, but in this case I'll make an exception: This .gif of Adrian Gonzalez using his bat to prevent a foul liner from entering the dugout is worth seeing.
This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History is up and deals with Tomo Ohka's AAA perfect game. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times has a couple of addendums: Today is the 32nd anniversary of Robin Yount's first inside-the-park home run and the 16th anniversary of the day the Brewers drafted Geoff Jenkins.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to my workout.
Drink up.
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Wouldn't mind getting JJ back
Depending, of course, on the deal
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Gamel??
i vote no on that one. My guess is they were hoping rogers would be lighting up in AAA and use him as trade, but that hasn’t gone too well.
Isn't Gamel our 1st basemen of the future?
besides Reyes what other options are out there for a SS with any type of a bat that the Crew might be able to get Yunni B is not enduring himself to me.
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Mets have no use for Gamel, anyway
Ike Davis is going to be their 1B for awhile, and I doubt they trade Wright, despite the latest rumors. Putting Gamel in the OF at CitiField would be a disaster.
They can get plenty more for Reyes without going through that trouble
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
That's a bit much
But if we can agree to keep Reyes around after this season, I’d agree to it.
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For some reason
I dont think the Mets (and their new Front Office) woudl give up Reyes for a mid range prospect in Gamel, and a bag full of garbage.
Reds and Giants both have better pieces to offer, and if desperate, wont hesistate to make a deal. Rays also have a multitude of prospects to offer (as usual). And the Indians of all places might be a match too.
How do you value relievers?
In my comment below, I mentioned the Brewers will have a good bullpen arm to offer when/if Saito gets back. The Brewers have certainly accepted bullpen arms in the past in exchange for their marginal trade bait. Reyes isn’t marginal, but most of the other SS options on the market are. I would think it might only take a good reliever to get some infield help.
Who do you have in mind?
I think that relievers are tended to be over valued by Front Offices, so if you are looking at a Mariners with Jack Wilson or Orioles and JJ Hardy, then maybe they take a guy like Loe on in the hopes of turning him into a closer. But with Saito, a 40 something year old, on the 60 day DL, doesnt look very promising to me for an impact level return for him.
Now if you were thinking one of the rotation options in the minors right now, who probably end up as relievers, such as Heckathorn for instance, you might be able to sell that a bit easier to the M’s or O’s.
I think Furcal and Reyes are in the same position, in that they will only be dealt if impact level talent were included, which the Brewers dont have.
That's what I was looking for
I didn’t think Saito would have value, but Saito can open up one of the other arms like Loe (though Roenicke would probably shiv Melvin in his sleep).
I probably would too.
Expecting Saito to replace a workhorse like Loe would be crazy.
fka "warwick5s"
It wouldn't take much to land Hardy.
The O’s would take a long arm that can be a starter. I would think that Mitre or Estrada plus a minor leaguer gets him.
by Mr. McGehee on Jun 1, 2011 2:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you guys are drastically underestimating what they'd want
Mets too. Gamel and junk doesn’t come close to Reyes, Mitre doesn’t come close to Hardy. Estrada might be a piece but not alone.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
No way.
If the Mets are virtually out of it by July 1 – and all indications are that they will be – then they are stuck paying his salary and will lose him anyway next season and his face/name doesn’t correspond to that many ticket sales. They’ll take the best offer they can get above compensation picks, and they’d be stupid to hold out for too much. The only factor that drives up the price is multiple teams seeking the same player, which is probably true for Reyes. But if the Mets ask for too much, teams will tell them to stick it and they’ll just buy him in the offseason.
They may be desperate
But they arent stupid, especially with Sandy Alderson running the show now.
A Reyes trade definitely demands at least one impact level prospect. And thats with whoever acquires him picking up the tab on his remaining salary.
Demands, shemands.
Numbers and precedent mean absolutely nothing when you are faced with only offers and compensation picks. You will take whatever is best. You won’t simply hold on to Reyes because you feel under better circumstances you ‘deserved’ more.
Of course not
But Reyes’s value for the rest of the year is similar to any big-time pitcher’s at the deadline, and should get a package like Sabathia or Cliff Lee or someone like that. There will probably be less bidders, but it doesn’t take much— how many people were really in the running for those pitchers? There are enough teams that need shortstops that Reyes is going to get a big haul. If you can get him for just Gamel some other team is going to come up with a better offer. And that was really directed at Sergio Mitre for Hardy, if that was the asking price he would have been a Brewer a couple weeks ago. You’ll have to give up an actual prospect for him, and I’d be in favor of doing that.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I'm impressed so many people think you're seriously proposing this as a fair and possible trade.
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Was it fried?
Seriously, fried ice cream is the bomb.
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You drive a hard bargain.
Flambe and Betancourt for Reyes.
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I promise I'll ship the Flambe and Betancourt on separate planes.
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Still have to worry about the health problems
The Brewers can’t drop Wilson because of waiver rules, right? To pick up a shortstop that would mean DFA’ing Betancourt. As someone reminded me last week, Melvin has shown he’s willing to drop underperforming players like Suppan and Hall so I suppose it’s possible he’d simply cut Betancourt if he can get someone else.
Decent relievers always seem to have some value on the trade market and Hardy’s price tag can’t be very high. I don’t really like the idea of the Brewers to giving up a useful bullpen arm, but they’ll have to give up value to receive value in return. When/If Saito gets back, the Brewers will have enough depth to give up a good bullpen arm in trade.
Melvin has held some payroll back for a mid-season trade and while it’s not enough to cover Reyes’ remaining salary, it’s certainly enough for Hardy’s contract.
I’m not sure having an injury-prone SS on the roster is a great idea, though. Counsell can’t take many starts and there are no options in Nashville even as a back-up infielder. The Brewers would be taking a gamble that Hardy wouldn’t land on the DL for 30-60 days, but Yuni hurting the team enough that such a gamble is looking pretty good.
So the opposite side of what the Brewers need?
I thought the Brewers traded for King some years ago when they weren’t really serious contenders. Someone with more than one year of team control might be of interest.
Or did you mean that the Brewers would rather hold on to them? There’s objective trade value and then there’s relative trade value. To put together a hypothetical with numbers I’m randomly creating:
Set-up Man on Team A = 0.5 WAR post trade deadline
Middling SS on Team B = 0.7 WAR post trade deadline
Let’s say Team A has a 0.3 WAR reliever that could step in for the Set-Up Man which means they would be at a 0.2 WAR deficit losing their Set-Up Man. Team A’s SS is 0.2 WAR.
Team B has a 0.5 WAR back-up infielder that could step in for a 0.2 WAR drop in production. Their current Set-Up Man is a poor 0.0 WAR pitcher.
In an absolute sense, Team A would get a 0.7 WAR player for a 0.5 WAR player. In a relative sense, however, each team is improving their situation 0.3 WAR.
It’s probably rare that contenders make trades with each other, but Melvin has pulled off more improbable trades.
Re: King
The Brewers were still in it when they traded for him (0.5 games back and in first place three days later)
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Jun 1, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Pray that the Mets, Os, and Dodgers all continue to suck.
And that Yuni’s suckage until the trade deadline doesn’t make it a moot point.
I'm saying that we'll be trading with a team who is out of it.
And that team will be trying to sell their relievers, rather than buy them.
I don’t remember much about the King trade (although, I loved watching him pitch), but I do remember us trading for Linebrink and getting two draft picks in return when he left.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
worth a read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1899_Cleveland_Spiders_season
apparently their shortstop committed 81 errors and died after getting lost in the desert at the age of 33. and that’s not even the worst part
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
Well that answers Cubs' fans' question of whether a team has ever gone a whole season without winning more than two in a row.
Cubbies are a third of the way there…
On Evil BCB today, there before me was one of the most beautiful graphs these eyes have ever seen
It’s the perfect graphical form of unrealistic expectations being relentlessly shattered.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jun 1, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's try this again.
Behold, the picture of broken dreams that were really idiotic to have in the first place:
by Cheeseandcorn on Jun 1, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
FTFY
Yes it’s mean-spirited,but I stillso that’s why I had to rec it.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jun 1, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
the Spiders did have one 2-game winning streak though
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
Cubs have had five separate two-game winning streaks this season.
However, they haven’t had a three-game winning streak at any point this season.
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
...which was the original point.
READING FAIL.
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
yeah missed a word there
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
That's funny
I had a prophecy that Yuniesky was going to commit 81 errors and then die after getting lost in a dessert.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Jun 1, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probable starters
This is the second Thursday off in a row, maybe the Crew should look at skipping Narveson’s next start. I know they probably want to give everyone another five days between starts, and most of you are higher on Narveson than I am, but I’d rather that start just go to Greinke.
Hope for
a rainout, and you might get your wish. It definitely sprinkles a lot down in Marlin-land.
by Archibaldcrane on Jun 1, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
No pitching rotation alterations in the next week!
I’m going to the game on June 12 and if all holds well, I’ll get to see Shaun Marcum pitch for the first time. The only change I’d be ok with is if a game was rained out and everyone was pushed back, which would put Greinke starting on that day. However, I don’t want a start skipped and I get to see Randy Wolf instead (nothing against Wolf, I just really want to see Marcum pitch).
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
Unfortunately, you might get your wish of a rainout.
Looking at the weather for Sun Life Stadium, rain is in the forecast for all four games.
Please no rainouts, I really want to see Marcum pitch on June 12th….
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
This time of year
it rains every day in Miami. Usually it’s for 30 minutes at about 4 o’clock in the afternoon and they deal with it, you just need to watch out for a real storm.
by Archibaldcrane on Jun 1, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus it's our one and only trip to FLA this season
They’ll try their hardest to get the games in, even if it means a Monday day/night doubleheader. (Not that I want to subject our pitching staff to a doubleheader!)
It would be nice if we could find a way to have Greinke, Marcum, and Gallardo all pitch in that Cardinals series. But even if we could line it up then you have Wolf and Narveson pitching back to back.
I like the way it is now.
In nearly any given 3 game series, the Brewers are putting 2 of Gallardo, Greinke, and Marcum on the mound.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Choice quote from Corey Provus
Jonathan Lucroy.
…
He has earned the trust of the pitching staff and will only improve as his season, and his career, continues.
Does this mean the Brewers waived Wolf?
by ecocd on Jun 1, 2011 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
lucroy said
that sometimes he has the tendency to tip pitches with his position behind the plate. read that on mlb.com somewhere today
I get nothing from this
but I randomly found these Tony Plush shirts on a Nationals’ fan site.
MLB Draft
Anyone else interested in doing a BCB Draft Predictions contest? I was thinking each person predicts the first fifteen picks (through the Brewers’ second and final first round pick) and then scoring it with +2 points for each correct pick and +5 points for each correct Brewers pick, or something like that.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
I narrowly avoided finishing last in the BCB March Madness bracket
and providing sufficient people enter I’m equally confident I might just about avoid finishing bottom in this one too.
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"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
Cool
Put up a Fanpost. If either of you (or anybody else, of course) thinks the rules should be tweaked a little let me know and I’ll edit the post.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Jun 1, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't read the FanPost yet
but I’m prepared to state that I am very uncomfortable with the scoring system (whatever it might be) and that its clear defaults will be the reason for yet another failure on my part…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
by MrLeam on Jun 1, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I love when pro athletes talk like my friends and I do.
"I got enough fluids in me. Today’s the best I’ve felt. I’ve been crushing Gatorade and water the last three days, but now I’m holding it down."
Corey Hart, crushing baseballs…and gatorade.
Pro athletes never talk like I do
Apart from the time that Zach Duke repeatedly asked everyone in the press conference if they’d seen where he left his cap before finally realising it was on his head, the occasion Jonathan Broxton debated for 15 minutes about the best recipe for cheese scones and the incident where Joe Mauer wondered inconsequentially about the implications of the Putney Debates on the progress of the English Civil War.
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
The Putney Debates...
Almost provoked a full-on mutiny in Cromwells’ army. It was only by reasserting control (and shooting some of the dissidents) that he was able to put down the regional revolts that followed.
Chris Capuano
If everything holds steady, he will start the first game of the Mets series next week.
Mike Pelfrey and Jonathan Niese are also on schedule to start in that series.
(Also, that’s a rotation that doesn’t scare me at all…)
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
Given his luck on the mound at Miller Park the past 5 seasons (or at least since May 2007)
I’d be happy to see him pitch against the Crew.
by Brew Angel on Jun 1, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Should we want Lucroy to make the ASG?
Would think the days off would be good for him going into the second half of the season. Could probably save the Brewers a little cash come arbitration time as well.
Thoughts?
Get a ife broseph
I agree on rest and salary issue
Im a big “deserve” to go kind of guy. And I just dont believe he is worthy at this point. whole handfull of guys more worthy at the position right now.
I kind of agree.
I think he’s been great, and if he keeps it up through the end of the year he should definitely go next year, but it’s too short of a sample size of “great.”
I mean, if Pujols is going to get in based on last year, the same reasons would apply for Lucroy not going in.
fka "warwick5s"
I don't see how he doesn't deserve it if it's based on performance
It’s clearly not though.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Jun 1, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know we (the group) have had this discussion before
But I believe that an ASG selection should be based on year to date performance.
He currently ranks 7th in WAR behind Ianetta, Posey, Molina, McCann, Montero and Hernandez. And the BABIP thing too, although that is helping his performance, and not really my argument.
Mainly playing time though
He has second highest wOBA/wRC+ behind Ramon Hernandez (100+ PA) and by far the highest WPA. Not saying he’s a lock but I think he should at least be in the discussion for most deserving.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Jun 1, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He would play all of 3-4 innings
I’m not worried about that. I’d rather have him recognized as one of the best players at his position as well as being exposed to all of the top players in the league. That can only help.
Plus travel, PR stuff, ASG charity stuff
Not so much worried about the actual innings played.
Get a ife broseph
I'm going to have to be very backtocalian on this
His BABIP (0.360+) is completely unsustainable. He’ll still be good, but there’s no way he keeps a 0.372 wOBA through the All-Star Game.
Right, does anyone expect him to keep up his .310 /.353/.496 line the rest of the year?
He had his worst month in September last year and still young and adjusting to MLB on both offense and defense, I wouldn’t be upset if he missed the ASG and had a couple extra days of rest.
Get a ife broseph
He missed the first 10 games of the year, plus most of spring training.
And he gets a day off every five with Wolf’s non-personal personal catcher.
He’s 24 years old.
He’s gotten — and will get — plenty of rest.
Thrusters to full, Jean Luc.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I'm staying away from stats on ESPN.com from now on.
I don’t know what data they’re using, but it’s all screwed up.
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
Just for comparison
Here is what ESPN.com has listed for the Brewers in pitching categories on the team home page for this season.
ERA: 4.27
QS: 32
WHIP: 1.36
BAA: .264
Compare that to Baseball-Reference.com
ERA: 3.69
QS: 32
WHIP: 1.262
BAA: .250
I also did a quick compare to Yahoo Sports, and they match what I saw on Baseball-Reference.com.
I only use ESPN.com for convenience when I’m on their website, but now that I’ve seen how far off their stats are, I won’t do that anymore.
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
I mainly only go on ESPN.com for fantasy sports now.
Of course, this makes me wonder if those are done right.
"You need to add a signature line about your sarcasm detector being broken like a Cubs fan’s spirit."
- molitorfan
Quality starts
At least they know how to count those
Where are the trolls when you actually want them?
by SAE on Jun 1, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Weird.
ESPN.com has the Brewers pitching a cumulative 699 innings, and giving up a cumulative 322 earned runs. But adding up the individual totals doesn’t come anywhere near those numbers.
Um. Hmm.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
And they've got the tallies at 36 wins and 43 losses.
I grow more confused by the second.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Probably just some messed up SQL queries on the back end
I would imagine it will all be cleared up before too long.
Can anyone figure out why this isn't working?
select sum(wins) * RAND as wins, sum(losses) * RAND as losses
from espn_database
group by team;
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by Yar Nivek on Jun 1, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
The nerd in me forced me to rec this
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
I'm sorry, but I need to out-nerd myself here. I made a syntax error.
NOT A VALID GROUP BY STATEMENT.
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by Yar Nivek on Jun 1, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
More (borrowed) sql humor
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by Yar Nivek on Jun 1, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not sure if I should be proud or ashamed
for understanding the humor in this.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
It's an employable skill, which you would be proud of on your resume.
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Understanding the humor is employable?
Or are you referring to understanding SQL?
If it’s the latter, then yes, I am fully aware of that… I use SQL just about everyday in my job.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Understanding SQL is employable.
Understanding the humor just makes you a more pleasant coworker.
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Speaking of ESPN
They’re doing a “franchise player draft” right now with a bunch of ESPN-affiliated (and recognizable) “experts.” The first round is over. Nobody took Miguel Cabrera.
I think that conclusively proves that baseball experts don’t know what they’re talking about.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Jun 1, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was following that too
It seemed absolutely crazy that guys like Harper, Trout and Strasburg went so early when if they have a career that is as good as Miggy’s has been recently it would be considered a big success. Ryan Zimmerman didn’t get mentioned either, and neither did Nyjer…
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Wow, good call
I forgot about Zimmerman too. He probably deserves in top 5 pick discussion there.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Jun 1, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
by SRB on Jun 1, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
If they think that his potential character issues are bad enough, I can see most of those players going ahead of Cabrera.
But Starlin Castro, Mike Stanton, etc? Hell naw.
I'd take Stanton over Miggy in this type of draft
But I really, really love Stanton
Get a ife broseph
my favorite pick
was josh johnson in the top 10. yeah, he’s good. but he has a history of arm injuries… oh, and he’s on the dl for that right now. so a pitcher who’s only once gone 200 innings? in the top 10 (#6 actually)? and upton went #29?
this is another reason to avoid.
What I liked best
Was the fact that the list had been finalized the previous day (as Jonah Keri said in his FanGraphs chat) so all the guys going “oh, I wonder if so-and-so will fall to me” or “not sure who to go for” were all speaking complete crap…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
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i only went there due to the fangraphs link
as jonah pasted that in his chat.
but man, it totally made me wish steve phillips still worked there. i would’ve loved to have seen his pick.
Personally I think it's nuts
to choose Pujols as a franchise player at this point over Fielder or Howard, just because of age.
Unless I’m missing the point of this, but considering Bryce Harper has been chosen, I don’t think I am.
by Archibaldcrane on Jun 1, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I mentioned the other day I wanted to write something about 5 starters
It’s up over at Disciples of Uecker if anyone’s interested in checking that out.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I've got no dispute that Narveson is a decent No. 5 starter.
My question is whether Estrada would be better.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
This is obviously a dumb reason....
But I really like Estrada as the 6th/7th inning type guy and would hate to lose him there
Get a ife broseph
Wasn't directing it at you or anything, and I wanted to go through and see all the fifth starters
But yes, that is a separate question. I personally don’t think so.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Oh, I didn't think you were.
Sorry, that first reply sounded unnecessarily confrontational on my part.
I was just sayin’: when I half-jokingly said we should yank NarvDog from the rotation, it wasn’t because I think Narveson is teh absolute suck as the fifth starter.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Lineup Time
From TH:
2B Rickie Weeks
CF Nyjer Morgan
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
RF Corey Hart
C Jonathan Lucroy
SS Yuniesky Betancourt
3B Craig Counsell
P Shaun Marcum
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Very interested to see how Hart responds to batting 5th
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
With Wilson on the team now...
…could we see some more off days for Betancourt?
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I'm a bit curious about this myself
I’m hoping it’s not Brandon Boggs all over again. Optimistically, it’s because they’re giving Wilson time to learn all of the defensive positioning and unusual assignments for covering bases and back-ups from the shifted defenses. As long as Yuni is DFA’d at the trade deadline, I might survive.
Like, all of them, preferrably
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Jun 1, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are the Brewers helping Dusty Baker with their current bullpen?
Just found this quote in regards to hitting Votto & Bruce 3-4 in the lineup:
“I didn’t want to do it if they had a lefty or a number of lefties in the ’pen,” Baker said. "I might hit Jay fourth against righties and (Scott) Rolen fourth against lefties. We’re trying to take advantage of (Bruce’s) hot bat and help Joey (Votto), too, maybe.
“Strategically, I don’t like the other manager to be able to take care of both of them with one lefty. I’d rather have them burn two bodies. It makes it too easy.”
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fLLLLLag time...
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by Yar Nivek on Jun 1, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Tommorow's off day is the last one for a few weeks.
Brewers are scheduled to play 20 straight days after tomorrow night’s game. The next off day after that is June 23.
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That's their longest stretch without a break
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Who fed the Cubs' goat this year?
It’s been more active than it has been in a long time.
Aramis Ramirez left today’s game after a rogue ground ball hit him in the face and cut open his lip.
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Yuni and arbitration
Arbitration salaries aren’t guaranteed until opening day, right? In which case, sure…offer him Arb. He refuses, you could get a pick. He agrees, you cut him during spring training.
okay
still go to arbitration then…no biggie. He’ll get awarded what in arb? 2M? 4M? So, we’d be on the hook for max 1M if he agrees to arb and we cut him.
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