Wednesday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while taking part in the worst ballpark promotion ever.
A couple of tough losses in as many days has cranked up the heat on Ron Roenicke, whose decisions in both games had a non-negligible effect on the negative outcomes. Wisconsin Sports Tap has a look back at the other options that were available when Marco Estrada was called upon to pitch the eighth last night. Josh Wussow of Inside Wisconsin Sports says Roenicke is learning on the job, but not everyone agrees: Rubie Q and Supertramp have started Ron Roenicke Stole My Baseball to document their grievances with Brewer management.
Tom Haudricourt has a couple of quotes from Roenicke to explain some of last night's mysteries: He said LaTroy Hawkins had been "backed off" after warming in the bullpen a couple of times and not being used, and that's why it had been a week since he'd pitched in a game. He also noted that the missed opportunities with runners in scoring position were a strong contributing factor to last night's loss.
Elsewhere in grievances: Yuniesky Betancourt had a couple of hits last night, but also a couple of poorly approached failures with runners in scoring position. Will McDonald of Royals Review has a look at Betancourt and Zack Greinke's first few months in Milwaukee and says "if the Brewers are still playing him (Yuni) on July 4th, we can officially add them to the list of teams that have no idea what they are doing."
Other notes from the field:
- Casey McGehee went 2-for-5 last night, picking up his first multi-hit game since May 29. Alex of View From Bernie's Chalet thinks McGehee is ready to turn the corner.
- Ron Roenicke plans to keep McGehee in the #5 spot in the lineup.
- Here's a transcript of Roenicke's postgame comments.
- Yovani Gallardo, Aramis Ramirez and Starlin Castro are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Cubs manager Mike Quade was ejected in the ninth inning for arguing balls and strikes.
- Bob Uecker sang "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" during the seventh inning stretch.
The Brewers and Cubs continue their four game set tonight...weather permitting. The Weather Channel is predicting steady rain throughout the day today in Chicago, putting tonight's contest in doubt. Cash Kruth of MLB.com has the preview. Thunderstorms are also in the forecast for tomorrow.
If the two teams do play tonight, you might be able to find a cheap ticket: Yesterday's TiqIQ numbers suggested the average ticket for tonight's game is selling for under $50 on the resale market. You likely won't get to see Cubs infielder Darwin Barney, though. He's expected to be placed on the DL with a knee strain suffered during Monday's game.
It's time for your daily reminder that the Brewers are coming up on a tough stretch of interleague play: This week's edition of A Simple Kind of Fan says the next month could determine the Brewers' season.
They'll have to get through that stretch without Mat Gamel: Gord Ash told Tom Haudricourt the team doesn't plan to call him up to DH during interleague play.
Rickie Weeks had a solid night last night, going 3-for-6 with a double, run and RBI. Dave Cameron of FanGraphs says Weeks and Ryan Braun should start the All Star Game for the NL, while Prince Fielder comes off the bench.
A day later, we have a couple more notes on Randy Wolf's performance from Monday. Earlier this season Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker noted the emergence of the slider as one of Wolf's better pitches. He updated that post to let us know the pitch has since leveled off. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar says he's fine with Wil Nieves continuing to catch Wolf, as long as it doesn't affect the team's ability to win.
Here's some encouragement for today: Dave Van Dyck of the Chicago Tribune says the Brewers are "built to last."
Narvey just doesn't have the same ring as Cappy, but nonetheless Eno Sarris of FanGraphs says Chris Narveson is the new Chris Capuano (FanShot).
In the minors:
- Takashi Saito is going to try another rehab appearance: He's now scheduled to pitch for Nashville tonight and again on Friday.
- Baseball By Paul has a list of the top 21 hitting prospects in AAA, and both Mat Gamel and Caleb Gindl are on it.
- The affiliates went 2-1 last night, with Mike Walker going 3-for-5 with a grand slam in Wisconsin's 12-5 win over Peoria. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- Austin Ross started the game for Wisconsin and had a pretty bizarre line: 5 IP, 5 H, 5 R, 4 BB, 11 K. The eleven strikeouts set a new career high.
- The Albany Times-Union has a story on Wisconsin closer Greg Holle, who is thriving in a relief role.
We have one draft note today: Before last night's game, Cory Provus interviewed former Texas broadcaster Keith Moreland and asked him a few questions about Taylor Jungmann.
If you haven't yet, please take a moment today to vote in this week's BCB Tracking Poll. It will remain open until game time tonight and results will be posted tomorrow.
Around baseball:
Astros: Fired pitching coach Brad Arnsberg and named Doug Brocail as his interim replacement.
Orioles: Pitching coach Mark Connor has resigned and been replaced by bullpen coach Rick Adair.
Twins: Placed first baseman Justin Morneau on the DL with a strained wrist.
Yankees: Placed shortstop Derek Jeter on the DL with a calf strain.
You already knew about the Arnsberg/Brocail switch in Houston if you've read this morning's edition of Around The NL Central, which is part of a balanced breakfast.
Today in former Brewers:
- Ronnie Belliard, who had been playing in AAA for the Phillies, retired following last night's game.
- Bill Hall talked to Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle about his time with the Brewers and some of the team's planned celebrations.
- One current Brewer (Craig Counsell) and two former Brewers (Jim Edmonds and Todd Coffey) made Carson Cistulli's list of freak injuries.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm getting the band back together.
Drink up.
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Last night
I was at the game, and as terrible as the outcome was, it was encouraging to see so many Brewers fans there. And as much as it pains me to say it, all the Cubs fans were actually respectful this time, unlike my last few times at Wrigley.
Same...
I was there as well and they were pretty respectful overall. However, it still amazes me (which it shouldn’t) how fair-weather they are. The first 7 innings I kept hearing how the Cubs sucked from the Cubs fans behind me, but after the 8th inning debacle they were the best team ever.
After the game, it quite possibly was the longest 2 and a half hour drive ever.
I do wonder how long this team will put up with Yuni.
I’m sure Roenicke and the front office are as frustrated with him as we are, but I don’t expect them to get rid of him (or at least bench him) until they have a better alternative in place – and it seems they don’t consider a Wilson/Counsell rotation a better alternative.
I would guess that they find somebody competent-ish (though not Reyes) by mid-July, and either Yuni or Wilson is DFA’d, with the other one sent to the bench. With this team now in the thick of a pennant race and Yuni continuing to put up the worst numbers of his already terrible career, I imagine Melvin’s urgency to find a replacement is growing by the week.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jun 15, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yuni
Is just one of many problems with this roster right now. At least with the other problems ( bench and backup catcher) we have in house solutions. Unfortunately it doesnt seem like management sees any of these issues as problems.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 15, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
You're not supposed to use your backup catcher
(You can blame that on Wolf.) And there’s no guarantee that trading a light-hitting bench for a bunch of rookies will provide any better results. It could quite possibly be worse.
This is our current bench
Kotsay 638 OPS
Wilson career 282 OBP and 606 OPS
Counsell 599 OPS
Nieves 369 OPS and 557 OPS for his career
There is no possible that the likes of Gamel, Green and either Kottaras or Rivera could possibly be worse than our current bench. I also challenge anyone to find a worse bench among contending teams in all of baseball.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 15, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gamel, Green & Kottaras
Kottaras was an eventuality. Gamel can hit, but he can’t field worth a damn. Green has never seen major league pitching, and won’t adapt to it quickly in a PH role, and can’t play SS or CF as part of that platoon. So really, while I agree with your dissatisfaction – everyone agrees the bench can’t hit – what you’re asking for is more of a gamble than an upgrade. Although I’ll agree with you that things are almost bad enough that a gamble is better than the status quo – almost.
Kotsay can't field worth a damn either.
And unless the team really needs three SS, I think Green backing up just 3B/2B is theoretically fine (though I would certainly miss Wilson’s confused reaction after hitting home runs)
Calling up prospects to sit on the bench is no fun though.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
Yuni should be gone, and Green should come up to temporarily platoon with McGehee until he gets it together.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Jun 15, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
McGehee is already getting it together
And Green can come up in September when rosters expand. If we need a bat, Gamel can hit – and only hit.
I'm sure DM is looking hard
And I’m sure that nobody is really anxious to help the Brewers either. Things will change as teams are eliminated and we get closer to the trade deadline, but until then we’re going to have to endure Yuni at SS.
by nullacct on Jun 15, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just need a competent SS
Its not like we need to acquire Reyes to improve the position. We just need an average defensive shortstop who can have an OBP over .300 and it would be a drastic improvement over what we have now.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 15, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
nullacct's point still stands
There aren’t even competent SS available. If you find one, let us know. We’ve been struggling as a community.
By not signing a free agent SS in the offseason, Melvin must have had a few plans in mind at the trade deadline, though. Let’s hope one of those comes to fruition. There’s nothing obvious out there to me.
by ecocd on Jun 15, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Call up Orlando Arcia.
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).
That's kind of what I'm figuring
There are only a handful of teams that are probably really thinking like sellers right now, and I expect that number to increase dramatically within a month or so. Like bklyn said, I don’t think the Brewers will make a blockbuster trade here – more like something along the lines of the Durham trade in 2008 or the Lopez trade in 2009.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jun 15, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Jamey Carroll
He’s probably the best player out there that the Brewers could pick up to solidify the SS position for the rest of the year. Probably involves one of the better arms in the system to get him for 2 or 3 months, but losing one of a really bad lot isnt going to hurt too much in the end.
Wouldn't getting another team's AAA "old prospect" be an improvement.
I’m not suggesting the Young Stud. I just see the AAA shortstop as a way to improve without this whole “seller/buyer” problem.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
But Yuni is supposed to be an RBI machine.
He’ll turn it around and start driving in runs real soon…
I’m not sure how he’ll do so without getting any good contact or showing plate discipline, but RBI skills don’t just vanish~!
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
I was actually surprised at how many RBI's he has
Seems like he has about 6 hits this year, but has 20-some rbis
Carroll
I dont know how his defense is but he gets on base at a strong clip so I would be all for Carroll. I dont want to trade any real assets like Thornburg or Peralta for him but if they would take a Dillard or McClendon type I would do it.
Peralta
I wouldnt trade one of our only future power arms for a rental.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 15, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure they'll take Betancourt, Kotsay and Nieves for him!
You have to trade something to get something. Which valuable piece of the Brewers system will you trade for a rental and why is that concession so much better than trading Peralta?
sorry, didn't realize you were talking about Carroll.
I don’t think I would trade Peralta for Carroll. Thought we were talking about Reyes. My bad.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Peralta
Isnt really an ace in training down there on the farm. He could be a nice peice of the puzzle somewhere down the road, but he is definitely not untouchable. He has a nice fastball that is straight as an arrow and two other average pitches (translation: bottom of the rotation), and he also needs to work still on command.
Carroll has about a $6 million surplus value. And that coincidentally translates to what Peralta, or Heckathorn, or Rivas or Scarpetta are worth by themself.
If it meant giving up one of these guys to get an extra win from a black hole on offense and defense, its definitely worth it.
Peralta
I like Peralta’s upside a little more than you I guess. Rivas I would trade very easily and most likely Heckathorn as well but I still see a relatively high celing for Peralta even if its a longshot.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 15, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
my point was more regarding carroll than peralta.
I don’t have high hopes for Peralta. I just don’t know how good Carroll is.
Looks like he’s a .280 hitter with no power and inconsistant defense. To be honest, if they think they can lock Greinke and Marcum up long term, I say go for it. I’d feel pretty confident in the bottom of the lineup if McGehee and Carroll come up with RISP, than McGehee and Betancourt.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Kottaras is back
Nieves outrighted to AAA. All I have to say is its about time.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 15, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
As befits this occasion

Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
And there was much rejoicing!

Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
by Yar Nivek on Jun 15, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
As far as the Hall/Celebration article goes,
I thought the most interesting part about it was that the celebrations were planned by the well-respected veterans: Hoffman, Cameron, Kendall.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on Jun 15, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I really wish they'd have done the "Graduation" celebration.
And I was surprised at the article characterization of Fielder’s reputation as “off his rocker.” Really? People think he’s crazy? I get the hothead thing, but crazy? Man, prejudices are stupid.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jun 15, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just found it
Yeah, seems she found that statement as bizarre and baseless as I did.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jun 15, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Counsell deserves a shot
Counsell is the best defensive option for SS, including Carroll. Carroll is more of a super-utility type guy. Counsell doesn’t pinch hit well, so if he got more starts I think his numbers would be much better than his 2011 stat line currently indicate.
Disagree
Counsell has pretty limited range at SS, and has an accurate, but less than stellar arm over there.
I think if you start to give him more at bats, I think his production will start to decrease instead of increase. He is a very good situational hitter, but if he gets 3 AB’s per game, pitchers are going to be able to do very well against him.
Being that he's been in the league since 1974, isn't there a pretty big book on Counsell by now?
I’d be willing to ride it out with him in a platoon role until he either got hurt or completely loses it.
He has an equal arm to Yuni with better range and instincts at SS.
Get a ife broseph
A Counsell / Wilson platoon would be better than a mostly-Yuni situation, by a ton.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Jun 15, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just gritting that statement out.
Hit me with the numbers.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Jun 15, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Had them all written out and closed the window, dammit
In short, Yuni -0.41 WAR, Counsell +0.31 WAR, Wilson +0.39 WAR
Wilson is overperforming his career hitting numbers and has little L/R split over his career so his WAR will go down with more playing time. Overall, however, Counsell+Wilson will be positive, Yuni will be negative. It could stretch out into a 1.5 WAR difference over the course of the rest of the season.
Counsell has a +69.2 UZR/150 at SS this year (86 innings)
Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).








































