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Even Ron Roenicke admitted that yesterday's game was tough to watch as the Brewers lost 12-7 to the Cubs, losing the series against one of the NL's worst teams. At least most of us seem to agree that yesterday's loss wasn't Roenicke's fault. Roenicke's approval rating dropped over 20% in this week's BCB Tracking Poll.
Meanwhile, it looks like we're going to be spending another five days trying to figure out what's going wrong for Zack Greinke. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar wonders if Greinke is trying to be too efficient. Grant Brisbee of Baseball Nation notes that Greinke is on pace to become just the second pitcher ever to post 7 or more strikeouts per walk and 11 or more strikeouts per nine innings for a full season. Pedro Martinez is the other.
Greinke, by the way, allowed eight runs while striking out ten batters yesterday. He's the first major leaguer to do that since Ryan Dempster did it as a member of the Reds in 2003.
George Kottaras struggled a bit defensively yesterday but hit a home run in his first start since rejoining the team. Zack Greinke told Adam McCalvy that he and Kottaras were a bit rusty in the first inning, but after that their relationship was "perfect." Charles F. Gardner of the JS talked to Kottaras about coming back to the big leagues.
Other notes from the field:
- Both teams scored in each of the first three innings of yesterday's game. It's the first time that's happened since the Mets and Brewers did it on May 29 of last season.
- Here's a transcript of Ron Roenicke's postgame comments.
- Kosuke Fukudome, Starlin Castro and Alfonso Soriano are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Fukudome's home run off Daniel Ray Herrera was his first off a lefty this season. He hit .262/.327/.524 against lefties in 2010.
- 40,024 people paid to see yesterday's game at Wrigley Field. The Cubs drew 39,000 or more for every game in the series.
Rickie Weeks had two more hits yesterday, giving him eight in the last three days and moving him past Ryan Braun for the team lead. Unfortunately he was also thrown out twice trying to stretch a single into a double, meaning he's been thrown out on the bases three times in two days. That's not the only part of his game that's been slow lately: Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus notes that Weeks' home run trot from Wednesday clocked in at 24.85 seconds, the third slowest of the day.
If you watched one of this week's games from a Wrigley Field rooftop, you might want to skip this paragraph: The Chicago Tribune has a story today showing that many/most of the rooftop businesses around the park haven't been inspected in years.
There's no rest for the weary, as the Brewers are in Boston today and open a three game set against the Red Sox tonight. Cash Kruth of MLB.com has the preview. The two teams have also agreed to move Saturday's game to a 6 pm Central start to make way for the Boston Bruins' Stanley Cup parade.
Looking further ahead: The Brewers play the Twins six times in their next 15 games, and Jordan Schelling noted that Yovani Gallardo and Francisco Liriano project to match up twice during that time.
Yesterday I reported that the Angels have released pitcher Scott Kazmir. It seems unlikely the Brewers would be interested in picking him up at this point, but Tom Haudricourt noted that Ron Roenicke had an opportunity to watch Kazmir pitch a fair amount while the two were both in Los Angeles.
Takashi Saito had a good outing in his first rehab appearance in Nashville, and could rejoin the team if his next appearance on Saturday goes as well. Meanwhile, Gord Ash told Adam McCalvy that Zach Braddock can return from AAA as soon as he "is able to demonstrate that he is able to follow the requirements of a major league reliever."
In the minors:
- The Brewers have signed two more draft picks: 20th round RHP Brandon Williamson and 25th round C Parker Berberet.
- Brevard County honored members of the Melbourne Braves, an all-black semi-pro team from the 60's and 70's, before last night's game.
- Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun has a story on Brock Kjeldgaard, who is tearing up the Florida State League over three full years after the Brewers nearly released him. (h/t @SessileFielder)
- The Midwest League All Star game is Tuesday, but it's surprisingly bereft of star power: Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com notes that Tyler Thornburg is one of just four participants who made his own organization's top ten prospect list.
Today in feel-good stories: Adam McCalvy notes that Sunday will be John Axford and Jonathan Lucroy's first Father's Days since the birth of their children.
If you'd like more on the Brewers today but you're sick of reading, this week's View From Bernie's Chalet podcast is up. This week's topics include Ron Roenicke, this week's roster moves and a Red Sox series preview.
Around baseball:
Blue Jays: Placed pitcher Casey Janssen on the DL with a forearm strain.
Cardinals: Placed pitcher Eduardo Sanchez on the DL with a shoulder strain.
Phillies: Designated reliever J.C. Romero for assignment.
Rumor has it the Cardinals are already kicking the tires on Romero. You knew that and much more if you've read today's edition of Around The NL Central, where all of our plot lines are ripped from the headlines.
Today in former Brewers: The Padres are planning on retiring Trevor Hoffman's jersey on August 21. I have no idea why it's taking so long.
Today in baseball economics: The Brewers and Cubs played in front of 39,821 fans Wednesday, the third largest crowd in baseball. The first and second largest crowds were both in Philadelphia, where the Phillies sold out both halves of a day-night doubleheader against the Marlins.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you need an evacuation plan.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get insured for jaguars.
Drink up.
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I thought about Braddock being demoted some more this morning
and I think I might know why the team — and Ash, specifically — crapped on the kid the way they did yesterday: because of Roenicke’s comments the day before, they’re trying to preempt a grievance.
Here’s what I mean: the team has acknowledged that Braddock’s sleep disorder is a medical condition, and one that warranted a trip to the DL earlier this year. If he’s still dealing with that medical condition, I don’t think they’re permitted to option him to the minors under the CBA. I think they’d have to put him on the DL again.
So when Roenicke made the comments Wednesday night about Braddock needing to find balance between the sleep disorder and his job as a major league pitcher, I think the team was in a precarious situation: if they didn’t say something like: “No, this was a disciplinary demotion, we think his sleep disorder is under control,” they were inviting a grievance from Braddock’s agent.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I was kind of wondering about that
The way the issue seemed to go from a medical one to a disciplinary one literally overnight. We really have no idea what’s going on here, but you may be onto something.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jun 17, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't he still be able to file a grievance?
If the disciplinary problem was a direct result of the DL condition, then it’s a pretty easy case to make to an arbitor regardless of what the Brewers say publicly.
If he didn't have a prior excuse for showing up late, I don't think he has a case.
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Right.
Which is why they’re now going out of their way to say that the sleep disorder is under control, and that they don’t think his tardiness is related to the medical condition.
I’m not saying it’s a compelling argument, necessarily, just that throwing the kid under the bus yesterday makes a little more sense to me now.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Probably right
but Ash has been known to make negative comments about the teams young players before. I can remember several times he has made negative comments about Gamel including this season. I wish Ash would just shut up because he never has anything good to say about our guys.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 17, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Hyperbole much?
He’s just trying to give the players who need a kick in the pants, a kick in the pants. If they aren’t responding to internal pressure, perhaps a public callout will give them the push they need.
It’s not like you can ask him about any prospect, and he’ll instantly start trashing them.
Q: How has Tyler Thornberg been developing?
A: Thornberg has a lot of pitches. And Herpes.
Q. Um. Okay. Do you have a major league ETA for Kyle Heckathorn?
A: Heckathorn won’t advance any time soon, unless he stops being a Satanist.
Q: Is Kjelgaard for real?
A: He’s still around? Oh yeah. Let me think. Ah yes! Doesn’t believe in Columbus.
Q: Really?
A: Yup. Brock thinks the world is flat.
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by tcyoung on Jun 17, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You forgot kicking puppies.
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I still don't understand what Ash was trying to say about Gamel.
That was one of the more incomprehensible, internally contradictory statements I’ve seen in my life.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Maybe he meant Craig Horrman
He was an undrafted free agent QB out of Columbia in 2008. The Browns picked him up. It’s hard to see why San Diego would retire his jersey. I guess you can bet on his friends and family attending the game so it might be a push for doubling their attendance.
Fixed, thanks
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 17, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
We can finally put the Cubs series behind us
Hopefully we can get the win tonight and start a new streak. Love to see how we match up against the top team in baseball. Who knows, maybe we’ll get 30 seconds on ESPN
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Best Case Scenario
We win the game, Red Sox player makes a above average play with three replays of play making 25 seconds of spot, show our winning run and score with the last 5
Ring Out Ahoya!
by bleedbluegold03 on Jun 17, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Krypt Keeper was still around, I think it'd be a given that we'd sign Kazmir.
Peterson worked with him a couple offseasons ago, and Roenicke has experience with him, as well.
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Are there really that many prospects at Thornberg's level that are in their org's top 10?
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Sure why not
many top prospects start off in low A ball.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 17, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd guess most teams have at least one of their top prospects that low.
Some teams probably have more.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 17, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
A-ball?
Mike Trout was in A most of last season when he was declared the best prospect in baseball by most evaluators, and Brycer Harper is in A ball this season. Granted, they’re much younger than Thornburg.
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Was going to point out Harper as well.
I think people would be surprised how many of the top 100 in baseball are in high A(don’t know about low A though). Weren’t Fuld and Archer in A ball last year and they were the centerpiece of the Garza trade.
by Mr. McGehee on Jun 17, 2011 2:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is G Kot only up for dh'ing
And then will the thrill is back?
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Jun 17, 2011 11:20 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Kotsay will play
two of the games and Wilson the other with Braun, Fielder and possibly Weeks getting a day off to DH/
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 17, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
See that would make to much sense for Ron to do.
And he has that unexplainable love for Notsay so…….not gonna happen
Morgan cant hit lefties
so most likely lineup against the lefty will be Gomez in CF and Wilson maybe playing to give Weeks a rest. Either way I think we see Kotsay play against the righties which is Tony Gwynn Jr DH in 2008 all over again.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 17, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
isn't DH'ing the catcher dangerous?
if the starting catcher gets hurt, then the DH has to become the catcher. and i thought switching the DH into the field means you lose the DH spot and the pitcher has to bat. so, i don’t see why both kott and lucroy would be hitting in the same lineup. it’s gonna be kotsay, unless ronron wants to see gomez and morgan patrolling a small outfield (which might be interesting).
by Capt Science on Jun 17, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Luckily, our pitchers are better hitters than most of the bench/possible DH options.
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We can DH YunE-6
But then again, we sure as hell aren’t playing him for his defense
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 17, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a rather small price, however
The probability of a catcher getting injured is quite small. Even if that ends up being the case, you can still go into NL mode and pull double switches and the like to ensure the pitchers aren’t batting. Given that Kottaras is an immensely better hitter than any option on the bench, I wouldn’t mind if he and Lucroy PH every single Interleague game.
by ecocd on Jun 17, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hmmmmm
Permanent 5-man infield? Gomez and Morgan can cover more ground than any outfield pair in baseball. I wonder how much of an impact a permanent 5-man infield could have on the game.
Or maybe have a permanent shift? A shallow man in the outfield with Morgan and Gomez covering the rest? It would at least get the Brewers national exposure!
I am not worried yet
Cubs were due for a good series and a couple of breaks and the Crew goes 3-1 now it would be nice to take at least 2 games in Boston
If this was Aug or Sept I would be more crazy than normal but not in June Cards death spiral helps ease the pain
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Cards death spiral helps ease the pain
This more than anything else for me.
I can handle losses, it was just how incredibly sloppy they played that series. I’m hoping it’s out of the system and they play up to their competition on this road trip.
Road play has been miserable all year
outside of the series in Philly and the one against the Marlins which has sent them on an unbelievable tailspin.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 17, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
At least two in Boston?
I would be thrilled with 2 and satisfied with 1 win against that team on the road.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 17, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
You're being particularly negative this morning
Take a nap, maybe?
by ecocd on Jun 17, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I see your sentiment but I think I might agree with him on this point.
I’m not sure it’s realistic to expect a series win at Fenway. This team has been too poor on the road to expect them to beat an elite team consistently.
I’m not saying it’s a given they’ll lose the series, but if you asked me to make a prediction I’d tell you one win.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 17, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
It was in reference to all of the comments this morning (see below)
But I think “thrilled” is an overstatement. If the Brewers want to compete with the best, then there has to be some expectation that they’re capable of beating the best. Expecting them to win one game is fine, but being “thrilled” with 2 is an understatement of the talent this team is bringing to Boston. I would be nonplussed with 1 win, happy with 2 wins and “thrilled” with a sweep.
What did I say that was wrong
I think only expecting to win one in Boston is realistic and the fact is we have been a miserable road team this year as the record indicates.
The overall tone this morning.
Just when I think this guy cant get any dumber he says something like this.
the one against the Marlins which has sent them on an unbelievable tailspin.
which is Tony Gwynn Jr DH in 2008 all over again
I wish Ash would just shut up because he never has anything good to say about our guys.
I would be thrilled with 2 [wins in Boston]
We’re all entitled to our opinions, and I’m rarely Mr. Sunshine, but it’s been a lot of negativity this morning. nbd, overall.
The Ash comment
as well as the Roenicke comment are the only two that can be construed as overly negative. I said they played well against the Marlins and it is a fact that Florida has been awful since then. As for the Gwynn comment I see Kotsay as being on the same level and it makes little since to have him playing instead of Gamel in these interleague games.
I think any Brewers fan should be thrilled if we win 2 out of 3 in Boston. If I said thrilled with one of three it could be look at as negative but winning 2 of 3 from a great team on the road is fantastic.
That's fair
I guess I might overall negative, not necessarily overly negative. Find something to be optimistic about, that’s all. :)
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One of the video ads running on the sidebar was for the Sporting News
Guess which reporter was talking!
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Was it coherent?
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Flying into Boston on Saturday morning at 10:58, Bruins parade starts at 11
That’s gonna be a lot of fun getting out of there….
This game is bigger than YOU or ME.
Without me, the game will go on...Without the game, I won't go on
Everyone will be at the parade
Assuming you’re not taking a route that matches the parade, it might be a Ghost Town. That’s the way Ohio State was on game days. 100,000 in the Horseshoe. A dozen people around campus. It was spooky.
I'm planning on going the exact opposite direction of the parade
but I don’t really know how the traffic situation will be around the airport, as the its only a couple miles from the nucleus of the parade
This game is bigger than YOU or ME.
Without me, the game will go on...Without the game, I won't go on
The best bet in Boston
Is ALWAYS to take the T.
Gets you there fast and direct, costs very little, and is horribly convenient.
I would say that college towns are different than big cities, but Boston is pretty small.
I think you’re right that everyone will be there.
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I know during the Red Sox parade in '04 something around 3 million people attended
I doubt it will be that many people will show up, but it will still probably be around the 1 million range (just guessing)
This game is bigger than YOU or ME.
Without me, the game will go on...Without the game, I won't go on
Kotsay in perspective
I’m sure I’ll get lambasted for this but…
Here are the numbers for the backup outfielders of NL clubs with winning records. AB’s before the slash line:
Mark Kotsay MIL 119 .252/.331/.303
Domonic Brown PHI 83 .229/.309/.434
Michael Martínez PHI 59 .203/.226/.254
Ross Gload PHI 42 .286/.302/.286
Aaron Rowand SF 181 .243/.292/.359
Pat Burrell SF 142 .225/.343/.408
Joe Mather ATL 72 .222/.282/.319
Xavier Nady ARI 124 .258/.304/.379
Willie Bloomquist ARI 112 .250/.286/.348
Chris Heisey CIN 114 .272/.333/.439
Fred Lewis CIN 75 .253/.325/.347
Jon Jay STL 158 .310/.363/.437
Tyler Greene STL 98 .194/.307/.265
In this context I’d say Kotsay’s .252/.331/.303 across 119 at bats just doesn’t seem worth all the vitriol I see in these threads. In fact, I’d say his .331 OBP is respectable in comparison. And his at bats seem pretty well in line with the other veteran backups. Not bad for $800k/yr anyway.
by Foul Tip on Jun 17, 2011 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We do have better options though
For the interleague games we could have Gamel come up and DH and after that Boggs would put up better numbers than Kotsay with better defense. Its not just Kotsay that is the issue with our bench. We also have two backup shortstops that cant hit as well.
Luckily we now have Kottaras since he is a good hitter but the overall issue is playing inferior players to the ones we have in our system.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jun 17, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Bingo.
I don’t care what other teams have as a backup. We have better options for the bench. Internally. No trades.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Add in taking Kotsay away will force DPR to use somebody else.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
he's not bad but there's a good argument to be made that Brandon Boggs was a better option
plus, STARTING Kotsay in CF seems bad, I’d rather have Gomez
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If you take out his 3 IBB (which had nothing to do with his ability) he's hitting .252/.314/.303
Joe Mather, Willie Bloomquist, Tyler Greene are the only players you listed seeing significant playing time with a comparable or worse OPS, and Greene is an above-average defensive shortstop. Just because there are two equally useless outfielders in the league doesn’t really justify Kotsay’s playing time. He’s below replacement level and the Brewers have plenty of superior options (e.g. Brandon Boggs) sitting in AAA.
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How many of those are outfielders and how many of them start in CF?
It’s the starts in CF, his defense, 119 AB and .303 SLG that’s giving everyone fits. It’s hard to emphasize how little range and power Kotsay has now. As a full-time PH, people wouldn’t particularly care about his presence on the roster, but right now he’s being played more as a platoon OF than a 5th OF (which is what he is, at best). With the exception of Almonte, the Brewers always have a better option than Kotsay to start which leaves his play time completely inexcusable.
As far as playing time on your list goes:
Kotsay has started 7 games in CF, 1 game in LF and 21 games in RF (admittedly, in place of Almonte most of the time)
Domonic Brown started 20 games in RF
Michael Martínez started 6 games in CF
Ross Gload started 3 games in RF
Aaron Rowand started 34 games in CF, 7 games in LF and 2 games in RF
Pat Burrell started 41 games in LF
Joe Mather started 2 games in CF, 1 game in LF and 12 games in RF
Xavier Nady started 4 games in LF
Willie Bloomquist started 14 games in LF
Chris Heisey started 6 games in CF, 10 games in LF and 3 games in RF
Fred Lewis started 5 games in CF
Jon Jay started 7 games in CF, 10 games in LF and 16 games in RF
Tyler Greene started NO games in the outfield
So the Brewers may, in fact, be better off than the Giants. They’ve also got a better shortstop than the A’s. That doesn’t mean Kotsay should be starting. His slugging means he shouldn’t be DH’ing, either.
There are better options in AAA as many have stated. Roenicke’s insistence that Kotsay isn’t the 25th man on the roster means he deserves all the vitriol he gets.
But thanks for digging up the numbers
We may disagree, but it was probably the best defense (only defense?) I’ve heard of Kotsay’s presence on the roster and performance.
Actually I don't think we're so far apart.
Perhaps I had misread some of the comments to be more a dislike of Kotsay in general. I also don’t think Kotsay should be starting more than a couple times per month. But weren’t the brewers carrying 13 pitchers for much of the time Morgan and Hart were on the DL? That doesn’t leave too many options in the outfield. To me that’s more the questionable roster decision than whether or not to hold on to Kotsay. As for the DH entering interleague, I too was baffled when I read they didn’t plan to bring Gamel up.
I guess I have a soft spot for Kotsay from my days in Oakland...
I also do put a little stock in the unquantifiable “veteran presence” value, not a lot but some. You can call me crazy but I’m not convinced Boggs is such a better option with a career line of .209/.315/.380. Granted there’s going to more power potential with Boggs, it’s a bit of a toss up as far as I’m concerned. Not really much to get worked up about.
I agree, Kotsay was getting too many starts but I don’t expect that to continue with Morgan back. I can’t agree with putting Gomez in the starting lineup. He’s a great defensive sub and pinch runner but he still just doesn’t have a clue at the plate. Maybe when Yuni’s gone, but we just can’t have both Bentancourt and Gomez in there on the same day, that’s a joke.
“… are the only players you listed seeing significant playing time with a comparable or worse OPS”
Kotsay 119 AB .634 OPS $800k
Rowand 181 AB .651 OPS $13.6m
Nady 124 AB .683 OPS $1.75m
His numbers are his numbers. I’m not sure you can just remove some to fit your point.
Kotsay has started 5 of the 20 games since Morgan came back
That’s still way too many.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jun 17, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
My careful research
taking into account it is Kotsay suggests it is exactly 8 starts too many
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He went 7 for 20 in those starts and the brewers were 4 - 1 in those 5 games
Granted, in hindsight the 5th start was probably a bridge too far but in the 4 games leading up to it the guy was 7 for 16. And I’m struggling to think of any instance where his waning defensive skills had serious implications. I don’t see anything to complain about there.
I seem to remember a game where two balls went over his head, and people suggested Gomez could have had both of them
I thought we lost that game by 1 run.
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I agree with almost everything you've said about Kotsay.
The only times I’ve been infuriated with anything Kotsay related was when he got the nod over Hart a short while ago with a RHP on the mound. I think it was against Anibal Sanchez. That should never happen, Corey should be in there every day. Also, not bringing up Gamel. I’m fine with leaving him down in AAA if our plan is to trot him out at 1B starting next year, but not for interleague play, you’ve got to bring him up and DH or play 1B. Make some use of his bat when you’ve got a great opportunity.










































