Brewers Resume Road Woes With 12-2 Loss To Yankees
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
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PrintW: Freddy Garcia (7-6)
L: Zack Greinke (7-3)
HR: Nick Swisher (10), Mark Teixeira (24)
MVP: Jonathan Lucroy (+.025)
LVP: Zack Greinke (-.346)
Win Expectancy Graph and Star of the Game Voting
The Brewers entered today in first place and will remain there tonight, but they certainly didn't play like a contending team in this one.
The Brewer defense let Zack Greinke down early tonight, as two runs scored after Nyjer Morgan fell down in pursuit of a fly ball in center that was ruled a triple. Then he melted down in the second, allowing five more runs on three hits and two walks, including a long home run for Nick Swisher. He was lifted after the inning with this line: 2 IP, 5 H, 3 BB, 0 K, 7 ER.
Marco Estrada followed Greinke to the mound and wasn't terrible for a while, allowing just one run in his first three innings of work. Unfortunately, he allowed three runs in the sixth before leaving the game after taking a line drive off his foot.
In other notes:
- The loss dropped the Brewers to 15-25 on the road this season. They've been outscored 48-20 in their last five games away from Miller Park.
- Ryan Braun doubled to lead off the eighth, extending his hitting streak to 18 games.
- Mat Gamel made his 2011 debut by starting at DH tonight. He swung at and made contact with the first pitch in each of his first three at bats, and finished the night 2-for-4.
- The Brewers made outs on the basepaths when Gamel was nailed trying to take second on a sac fly, and Corey Hart was thrown out trying to score from second on a single.
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I'd like to point out that
every brewers starter got a hit except Yuni (but Wilson PH one for him).
We out-hit the Yankees and lost by 10. That can’t happen too often.
Point is, while pitching and defense were dreadful, we didn’t swing the bats too badly tonight.
Well, that happened.
Hopefully Marcum’s hip is 100% or close to it because we need him to eat some innings tomorrow.
Bad play, bad luck, stuff happens. Still 0-0 when they start tomorrow.
Incidentally, I’m just immature enough to find BA’s call of Texiera’s HR funny:
“Teixeira lifts and separates.”
We put 10 hits on the board tomorrow, we’ll score a lot more than 2 runs. Strange game tonight that’s not likely to repeat itself.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 28, 2011 9:37 PM CDT reply actions
Someone has to know this. If Estrdada is injured can we un-DFA Mitre or are we just screwed on that?
For your health!
DFA
Mitre is still under the Brewers control. He can be added to the active roster if need be. Last year Darnell McDonald was DFA’d by the Red Sox in the afterrnoon, then was re-activated prior to game time that night, and entered the game in the late innings.
It was only "stupid" because it wasn't Kotsay
As far as relievers go, Mitre is the one performing the worst.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
How many games do the Cardinals play against the Red Sox/Yankees?
Oh wait, zero. They play the Royals and Orioles instead…
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
by SRB on Jun 28, 2011 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I have always hated interleague but it's especially bad this year.
For your health!
by menchkins on Jun 28, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not a fair comparison.
The Royals are their interleague rival, just like the Twins are ours. That’s a wash, at least this year.
St. Louis got the Jays in addition to the Orioles and got pummeled in the series.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Jun 28, 2011 9:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Jay and O's obviously not nearly as good as the Red Sox and Yankees though.
I just hate the whole premise of interleague play. It’s impossible to have fair scheduling match ups so I don’t see why it should count towards the standings.
For your health!
by menchkins on Jun 28, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Should just do it like football
where the best teams from the year before have the harder schedules (based off the previous year’s standings) going into the next season.
by Archibaldcrane on Jun 28, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
6 games against the 13 games under .500 Twins
Not many teams have that easy of an inter league schedule.
1) The Twins that the Brewers are playing are not the Twins that accumulated that sub-.500 record
2) 9 games against Boston/New York/Tampa Bay. Not many teams have that difficult of an inter league schedule.
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by SRB on Jun 28, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus would disagree
The only easier inter league schedule in the division belongs to the Cards.
That makes no sense.
The Brewers play the top 3 teams in the top division in baseball.
For your health!
by menchkins on Jun 28, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably because he’s basing it off of current record, in which case the Indians are substantially better than the Twins (not true). But yes, the Reds also have to play a series against the Yankees, which only makes the Cardinals draw even more absurd.
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by SRB on Jun 28, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Home vs road is important as well.
We few, we happy few, we band of Brewers.
by Zorakathura on Jun 29, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Reds also have the Rays on the road
6 games against the Indians, and series against the Yankess and Rays gives them a tougher interleague schedule this year than the Brewers.
You can try and parse or cherry pick it all you want, but the fact remains that because of the Twins, the Brewers have one of the easiest inter league schedules, and the numbers play that out.
It seems like you're trying to parse and cherry pick it as much as possible
I don’t really care to bitch about the schedule (too simplistic, matters about pitching matchups as much as anything), but @NY @ BOS, vs TB is certainly much more difficult that @BAL, @TB and vs NY.
Depends on how much you want to weigh the MIN hot streak before their games against the Brewers.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jun 29, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you're going to argue the interleague schedule
I don’t know if you can really look at current records. The schedule is made up prior to the season, so you really have to go by preseason predictions. I believe that the Twins were predicted to do much better than they have been.
Bottom line: The Brewers interleague schedule was the toughest one prior to the season starting, and the actual games are reflecting that.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Jun 29, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not the one doing the cherry picking
People much smarter than me have determined that the Brewers have a surprisingly easier inter league schedule than most of the teams in the division.
It just seems like a reality check is in order when people talk about the imbalance for this years team as it relates to inter league and how its a disadvantage in pursuit of a playoff spot, when that isnt really the case at all.
You said it was a disadvantage in the pursuit of a playoff spot though
The only easier inter league schedule in the division belongs to the Cards.
Am I missing something?
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jun 29, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not the one claiming that the Brewers are at a disadvantage due to the inter league
That is the common rally cry among many Brewer fans.
Although the Cards are in 2nd place, the Reds are more competition for the division, imo.
My point is that if someone wants to cmplain about how “difficult” the Brewers inter league schedule is, they should look into the numbers and realize that it really isnt that difficult at all because of the 6 games against the Twins.
You said the Cardinals had an easier schedule
If one team has an easier schedule than another, one could likely conclude that it would be an advantage in a trying to win a playoff spot.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jun 29, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Not difficult at all"?
The combined current record of the Brewers’ AL opponents is 169-144 (.540). That winning percentage is higher than the Cardinals’ (.481) and Reds’ (.527) AL opponents.
In addition, of the four Brewers’ AL opponents, only one has a losing record. The Cardinals only face on AL opponent with a winning record, and the Reds face two.
By the end of the year when the Indians drop towards the bottom of their division, the discrepancy will be even worse.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Jun 29, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correction
The Cardinals only face on AL opponent with a winning record, and the Reds face two with losing records.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Curse no editing
The Cardinals only face one AL opponent with a winning record, and the Reds face two with losing records.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I think he agrees with you
He’s been vocal in this post that the Cards have an advantage because of their schedule.
Get a ife broseph
It's only "surprisingly easier" because the Twins are struggling this season
Regardless, “surprisingly easier” isn’t the same as saying “one of the easiest”. Also, the Brewers and Cardinals are playing one less AL series than the Reds, so places like Baseball Prospectus are including games against the Rockies and Phillies as a part of the interleague schedule.
There’s no denying that the Brewers are playing the top three teams in the AL East (who might also be the top three teams in the AL). No other team in the NL Central is doing that. The Cardinals are playing the Orioles and Blue Jays instead of the Yankees and Red Sox, while the Reds are playing the AL East minus the Red Sox.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Jun 29, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Replacing Red Sox with Indians though
And given its 6 games, is a big difference.
If Im not mistaken, the Reds have the Yankees and Rays like the Brewers do and they have the Blue Jays and Indians whereas the Brewers have the Red Sox and Twins.
The difference between having to play the Indians 6 times versus the Twins puts the Reds at a disadvantage to the Brewers, and the Jays Red Sox difference doesnt fill in that gap.
I am not denying the Cards have an easier inter league than the Brewers. But I am saying that the Brewers AL East tour isnt as difficutl as that of the Reds when you factor in the Twins Indians issue.
"But I am saying that the Brewers AL East tour isnt as difficutl as that of the Reds when you factor in the Twins Indians issue."
Neither the Twins nor the Indians are in the AL East
In any case, you’re using current wins/losses to determine if a team is tougher/better, which isn’t necessarily accurate. And even if I were to use that as a measuring stick…as I stated above, the Reds’ AL opponents have a lower winning percentage than the Brewers’ AL opponents.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
The Rays are worse at home.
We few, we happy few, we band of Brewers.
by Zorakathura on Jun 29, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Why isn't it fair comparrison?
They still get to play some crappy team, who cares what the reasoning behind it is. The Twins with Mauer are not the Royals. They were 15-4 in their last six series before coming to Milwaukee.
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by SRB on Jun 28, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Mauer is not Standard Joe Mauer this year.
The Twins were winning because their starting pitching was spectacular. Now it’s come back to earth and they’ve dropped six straight (though they’ll win tonight).
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Jun 28, 2011 10:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, they dropped six straight because we swept them.
I’m not sure why it matters either way though. The Cardinals clearly have a significantly easier interleague schedule.
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by SRB on Jun 28, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interleague play
Enough already. The schedule is what it is. I’m sure the Yankees and Red Sox would rather be playing Houston than Milwaukee.
Personally, I would like to see it abolished, but it won’t happen.
Horrible game
I actually attended that debacle of a game. First of all Casey McGehee has to go. Not only can he not hit but his defense is embarrassing. Can we also stop making stupid outs on the basepaths.
Just to show all of you that Im not always negative I will say that Gamel has an absolutely beautiful swing and I really think he can be a star hitter. Its really too bad that we moved him off of third base because he cant be any worse than Casey. Its time to call up Green and see what he has.
Perhaps you need to check out Gamel's stats at 3B
before saying that he cannot be any worse than McGehee.
Gamel was as bad as (if not worse) than Braun at 3B.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
This might make me unpopular but,
Morgan has been showing all too well why he isn’t good enough to play every day in center. More specifically, he is showing why Gomez needs to play significantly more often. I think I’ve had it with hearing about Morgan’s defense being good. Being a fast runner who can’t track fly balls or make plays beyond routine fly balls does not make you a good defender, it makes you a guy who can run fast. Yes, his bat is definitely better than Gomez, but I don’t think the runs he produces are greater than the runs Gomez saves. There is definitely no excuse for Gomez to be out of the lineup against a lefty, and he should probably get about half the time against righties too.
The Brewers at Miller Park: "ALL WE DO IS WIN, WIN, WIN NO MATTER WHAT"
The Brewers on the road: "all we do is lose, lose lose, no matter what..."
I checked this out just to make sure.
Go to either baseball reference or fangraphs and compare Gomez and Morgan’s WAR. Morgan’s is higher than Gomez’s on both sites even though Morgan has only gotten about 2/3 the playing time of Gomez. Playing Gomez more against right-handed pitching would not help the Brewers at all.
Also
Morgan’s UZR/150 thus far in CF with 193.1 innings (not including tonight) is 7.7. Gomez’s is 18.0 in CF with 457.1 innings. Morgan’s wRC+ is 136 vs. Gomez’s 85.
Yes Gomez is ultra fantastic at defense, but Morgan is very good, and the black hole on offense for Gomez (as diegop89 alludes to above) makes him worth .4 WAR less than Morgan. That’s extremely telling, if you ask me.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 29, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
So how many more times are we going to file Greinke's 5+ ERA as an irregularity?
Pieces we traded away don’t make this trade sting too much but where’s the guy we traded for?
At the end of the day show me all the indepth stats you want. I will show you 5.63. Do all the other numbers suggest his numbers can get lower in the 2nd half? Yes, but his sporadic performances can’t hide behind those numbers for too long if we fall out of first place.
Ring Out Ahoya!
by bleedbluegold03 on Jun 29, 2011 7:56 AM CDT reply actions
Quick quiz...
Can you identify the following players by their current pitching stats?
1. 4.26 ERA, 1.353 WHIP
2. 4.50 ERA, 1.393 WHIP
My point is that even aces have bad seasons.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I am simply asking where is the guy we traded for?
He hasn’t shown up yet this season. If we told you he’d be our 4/5 guy ERA wise you’d swear we were screwed
Ring Out Ahoya!
by bleedbluegold03 on Jun 29, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
ERA isn't really a good indicator since defense will affect that
Greinke’s FIP right now is 2.71, which is his second lowest in his career (second only to his awesome 2009).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
bad defense kills good pitching
granted Greinke’s pitching wasn’t so “good” last night but if Morgan doesn’t fall on his face then Teixeira’s grounder to Weeks in the next at bat is an easy double play and Greinke’s out of the 1st with 9 pitches. not to mention McGehee’s brain melt four batters later costs him another 5 pitches with the bases loaded. instead of 9 pitch inning with one base runner it turns into a 27 pitch inning with guys all over the bases, that has to affect your mindset going into the next inning.
by Foul Tip on Jun 29, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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