Monday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while a plan comes together.
The Brewers were able to claim the last two games and salvage a split in this weekend's series in Denver, but the wins might have come at a heavy cost: Ryan Braun left Saturday's game after aggravating his sore calf and was limited to pinch hit duty yesterday. Brett Christopherson of the Appleton Post Crescent says Braun may have to go on the DL to get back to 100%, but the team is saying he could be back in the lineup today.
Then, Shaun Marcum left yesterday's game after straining his neck while making a diving catch. After the game he told reporters his neck was "a little stiff," but he still expects to make his next start on Friday against the Giants.
It wasn't pretty, but John Axford recorded the final three outs yesterday for his 25th save and his 22nd in as many opportunities. He's now tied with Francisco Cordero for the second longest streak in franchise history and trails only Doug Jones, who converted 25 in a row in 1997. And he's done all this despite the fact that he's allowed a run in five of his last nine appearances.
Meanwhile, Francisco Rodriguez pitched a scoreless eighth for the second consecutive day. On Friday the Brewers announced they've reached a deal with K-Rod, getting him to waive his 2012 vesting option in exchange for an extra $500,000 on his buyout. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker said "It's hard to imagine the early days of the Francisco Rodriguez acquisition going any better for Doug Melvin," while Tangotiger of The Book Blog wonders how much getting K-Rod to waive the option was actually worth. Todd Rosiak said the deal makes sense for both sides. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar is celebrating the Brewers' new "double closers" situation.
Other notes from the field:
- The Brewers have now won back-to-back road games for the first time since June 5-6.
- Yesterday's game was the Rockies' 13th straight Sunday loss, dating back to April.
- The game was briefly delayed in the seventh inning while Takashi Saito and umpires discussed a fan who was repeatedly screaming during his windup.
- Casey McGehee, John Axford and Jason Giambi are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Giambi's home run off Shaun Marcum traveled an estimated 452 feet.
- On Saturday, Rickie Weeks needed 20.62 seconds to round the bases after hitting a game winning home run. You can see video of the home run and the trot on BCB's Facebook page.
- Brian Anderson took a picture of Jeff Cirillo next to the plaque commemorating his 2000 All Star appearance as a member of the Rockies.
The Brewers made one roster move this weekend, returning Zach Braddock to Nashville and calling up Tim Dillard (FanShot). Braddock had been ineffective since returning from AAA a couple of weeks ago. Dillard was with the team this weekend but did not appear in a game.
Of course, if you watched Brewers Live on FS Wisconsin you might not actually know about any of these things. The pre and postgame shows for all of this weekend's games were loaded up with advertisements for Wisconsin Dells disguised as features.
Prince Fielder was on base nine times in the Rockies series, going 4-for-11 with two doubles and five walks. David Schoenfield of ESPN has a look at Fielder's rise to stardom. He was also a runaway Brewer of the Week winner, claiming the title for the second time.
The Brewers have left Colorado for the final time in 2011, and now head to Arizona to open a series tonight. Jordan Garretson of MLB.com has the preview.
It'll be interesting to see if the Brewers keep their new look lineup in Phoenix. Ron Roenicke switched Rickie Weeks and Corey Hart in the lineup before Saturday's game, and the team is 2-0 since. Both Hart (2-for-8 with a HR, walk and HBP) and Weeks (4-for-9, 2 2B, HR) seemed to respond positively to the move.
While the Brewers were shifting their lineup this weekend, they also made an interesting change at shortstop: Josh Wilson started back-to-back games in place of Yuniesky Betancourt and went 4-for-8 with a double and a run scored. The Brewers are likely still looking for a more permanent solution, and Jon Heyman says Dodger Jamey Carroll would be a nice addition. Here are today's Yuni notes:
- Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker has a clear example of Wilson making a play Betancourt would not have.
- The Biz of Baseball listed the Brewers as the fourth most likely team to be buying this trade season, and listed shortstop as their primary need.
- Because Yuni is still on the roster, I now owe Rubie Q a six pack of Abita Turbodog.
Despite having Yuni on the roster, the Brewers are still Grant Brisbee of Baseball Nation's pick to win the NL Central. Harry Pavlidis of The Hardball Times has a Pitch F/x breakdown of the division to this point.
Looking back a few days, the Brewers' July 10 series finale against the Reds was Max Marchi of The Hardball Times' second best game of last week. He gave it one star.
In the minors:
- The affiliates went 2-5 yesterday, with R.J. Seidel and Evan Anundsen combining to pitch a three hitter in Brevard County's 7-0 win over Palm Beach. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- Rattler Radio has video highlights from Wisconsin's 7-6, 14 inning loss to South Bend.
- Wisconsin first baseman Cody Hawn needed all 14 innings to do it, but he extended his hitting streak to 17 games with a single.
- John Sickels of Minor League Ball has a reminder that Nashville pitcher Michael Fiers was on his sleeper list before the season. Fiers has posted a 2.54 ERA over 26 appearances between AA and AAA this season, striking out 80 in 74.1 innings.
- Tim Froberg of the Appleton Post Crescent has a look at the relationship between the Brewers and Timber Rattlers, who recently agreed to extend their player development agreement.
- The Post Crescent also has a profile of Timber Rattlers closer Greg Holle.
Around baseball:
Angels: Placed outfielder Peter Bourjos on the DL with a hamstring strain.
Astros: Placed infielder Matt Downs on the paternity list.
Cubs: Signed Dave Bush to a minor league deal.
Giants: Placed outfielder Pat Burrell on the DL with a bone spur in his foot.
Orioles: Placed DH Vladimir Guerrero on the DL with a broken hand and signed J.J. Hardy to a three year, $22.5 million contract extension (FanShot).
Padres: Placed shortstop Jason Bartlett on the paternity leave list.
Red Sox: Placed reliever Bobby Jenks on the DL with back pain and designated pitcher Tommy Hottovy for assignment.
Reds: Placed pitcher Jose Arredondo on the DL with a forearm strain.
Twins: Placed pitcher Scott Baker on the DL with a strained flexor muscle in his elbow.
You know about Downs and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central, which is never gonna give you up.
We're a few days after the fact here, but I thought this was interesting: NL manager Bruce Bochy had Tim Lincecum on his roster but didn't use him in Tuesday's All Star Game. As a result, Lincecum was available to pitch for the Giants on Friday. The Phillies, meanwhile, did not have Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee this weekend because Bochy pitched them two innings each on Tuesday. It's another reason to be glad no Brewer pitchers were selected.
Acknowledging a problem is the first step towards solving it. When the second half opened on Thursday, Major League Baseball had split up umpires Joe West and Angel Hernandez onto separate crews. Before the split, West's crew led the majors with 17 ejections.
If you weren't around last night you might have missed a fun game: The Rays and Red Sox played a 16 inning, 5 hour and 44 minute scoreless marathon, with the Red Sox winning 1-0. The contest was also briefly delayed when a foul ball shattered a light above the field.
I'd heard this once before this season, but dismissed it. It turns out it's a real thing: Players with light-colored eyes really do have to deal with more glare during day games.
Today in baseball economics: Despite the fact that the Braves have the NL's second best record, they're just ninth in the National League in attendance in 2011. Rowland's Office has a look at some ticket price changes under Liberty Media that have probably impacted those numbers.
Marlins reliever Ed Mujica has been making headlines in an unexpected way this weekend after he was spotted napping in the bullpen during the early innings of a recent game. I'm pretty sure preventing that from happening is one of the bullpen coach's primary jobs.
Elsewhere in "oops:" The Braves picked up the 10,000th win in franchise history over the weekend, then almost lost the ball from the final out. Hopefully the Brewers will handle it better when they win their 10,000th contest sometime around the year 2100.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to set up a broadcast booth.
Drink up.
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I just hope
that we still have Thornburg, Peralta, and Khris Davis in our system when the trade deadline passes. Hopefully by then Taylor Green is our starting third basemen as well.
I am surprised to see that you still don't like MeGehee.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 18, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
They don't have to go hand in hand
Taylor Green would instantly upgrade our bench if he isn’t starting in McGehees place
Lurking in the waters of BCB since May 21, 2010
Ex: I like McGehee and expect to see his numbers improve throughout the rest of the year
But I also like Taylor Greens potential. If he doesn’t start, he’ll be nice to have off the bench
Lurking in the waters of BCB since May 21, 2010
Future trade
I dont think we are giving any of those guys for K Rod but I could see them going for a rental shortstop or third baseman. I think we are giving the Mets McClendon and maybe an outfielder like Komatsu or Schafer.
I will really be upset if we give up anything of value for Betemit when we have Green in AAA.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be surprised if we gave them Komatsu. Melvin made a point of saying that they were not "top guys" in our system. COnsidering he won the award for best minor leaguer in our system last year I would assume he considers him a top guy.
For your health!
Why would Peralta be gone? The organization likes him very much.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
More along the lines of a Carroll trade
The org may be high on him, but he isnt a top shelf kind of guy, and they are more focused on this year, and if he is what it takes to get Carroll, they wont hesitate to deal him.
Yuk
trading a power arm like Peralta for a 37 yr old shortstop is not the way to go.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He has a power arm
With a fastball as straight as an arrow, and inconsistent command to go along with average secondary pitches. Much like the others in the organization with his stuff, he tops out as a middle of the rotation starter. Losing him doesnt harm you much since you have 3 other guys in the farm system who could easily take his place in Heckathorn, Rivas or Scarpetta.
Keith Law had him as "honorable mention" in his midseason top 50
Meaning a top 60 prospect?
Seems like he’s pretty inconsistent, matters what day you see him.
Get a ife broseph
More on Peralta
Law had reports he was touching 98, and there have been other reports about how much his fastball has been moving.
Still only 22 years old, I’d be very disappointed if they traded him.
Get a ife broseph
Law
really likes Peralta alot. I dont think you trade that upside for a 37 yr old shortstop. He has far better potential than Hechathorn, Rivas or Scarpetta.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Splitting up agitators
This could either poison two crews or improve the overall performance of the two. From the synopsis:
Overall, they had ejected 17 players and managers despite already having a week-long break in JuneIt sounds like they were given an implicit or explicit ultimatum in June and either couldn’t help themselves or just thumbed their nose at mlb assuming nothing would happen. One has to believe the majority of the umpire’s union quietly cheered the action knowing they were giving umpires a bad reputation.
If Mujica could nap during a baseball game, wouldn’t that be an indication that he needed the sleep? Naps have repeatedly been shown to increase productivity in the workplace. Maybe the bullpen coach was doing his job.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
I doubt they were suspended or given time off.
I’d bet they were just on vacation.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 18, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Peralta
has the best arm in the organization. I really hope we dont trade him but I dont trust Melvin at all.
Lets be honest
we are “all in” with a mediocre team that only has a shot at the playoffs because the division sucks. Meanwhile we have a depleted farm system which means lean years ahead most likely.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Here, let me fix that for you.
In my opinion, we are "all in" with a mediocre team that only has a shot at the playoffs because the division sucks. Meanwhile we have a depleted farm system which means lean years ahead most likely.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 18, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me fix it a little more:
In my opinion, we are “all in” with a mediocre team that is going to return nearly every impact player next season and only has a shot at the playoffs because the division sucks. Meanwhile we have a depleted farm system which means lean years ahead most likely unless Ryan Braun, Rickie Weeks, Yovani Gallardo and others continue to play at their current level.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 18, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Another fix
In my opinion, we are “all in” with amediocre team that only has a shot at the playoffs because the division sucksteam that has a top-five starting rotation and top-three offense in the league. Meanwhile we have a depleted farm system which means lean years ahead most likely.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 18, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Or wins where they win by one or more.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 18, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget blowouts in either direction.
by MKEtotheATX on Jul 18, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I will only be impressed by the Brewers wins when....
they win a couple where the oppistion has outscored them.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Jul 18, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
To me
The Brewers will define crappiness until they get a walkoff win on the road.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 18, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Walkoff on the road in game 7 of the WS this year.
No reason for setting your expectations too low.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Jul 18, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a generous guy
A walkoff win on the road in any or all of Games 7, 8, 9 or 10 will sate my fury.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Jul 18, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that going to be the result of the mini-slug off that is now determining the winner of all WS Game 7's?
Selig is taking a page from FIFA on this one.
Opposition
I was way to excited to write that.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Jul 18, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have
a depleted farm system than be wishing on a star that Lawrie, Odorizzi, Jeffress et al end up being great and watching Dave Bush and Marco Estrada struggle through games 2 out of every 5 days.
We gave up guys that “might be great” for guys that “are great” – in the last year of Prince having his best season ever. It’s a good idea.
by Archibaldcrane on Jul 18, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
Prospects are named that for a reason could they be great? Sure. Will they definitely be great? Nope.
That’s why they don’t call them “surefire upgrades or replacements”
For your health!
Lawrie
is probably a top 10 prospect in all of baseball with an electric bat. I like Marcum too but 2 years for 6.5 doesnt add up to me as a good deal.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Lawrie was the #40 prospect in baseball (according to Baseball America) this offseason, when he was traded.
And he has all the defensive prowess of Mat Gamel. Good luck trying to find a place to play him every day in the NL. He was a player who was becoming more valuable for other teams (specifically, AL teams) than he was for the Brewers, so Melvin decided to sell high and get something of real value for him. Brilliant move, IMO.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 18, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Son of a...
Not sure why I thought we had him for 3.
I think you're a little too hard on his D
Most stuff I read seemed to suggest he’d be average at 3B.
I think Lawrie is going to be a great player. I’m still OK with the trade
Get a ife broseph
Keith Law
just ranked Lawrie 9th among all prospects that have not reached the major leagues yet.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't consider a prospect list of guys who've never seen the majors to be complete.
I guess Brandon Belt isn’t a prospect anymore, then. Neither is Julio Teheran.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 18, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok
make Lawrie the 20th best prospect in baseball. Either way he is an elite prospect. To trade a guy this good I would have liked to see us get a pitcher with more than 2 yrs of control remaining.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
But player value doesn't exist in a vacuum
He was a prospect whose primary strengths were things the Brewers already had in spades. In exchange, the Brewers got a player who filled a huge need. Melvin was trading from a surplus to fill a deficiency, and that really increased the trade’s value for the Brewers.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 18, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So are lots of Cubs fans
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
by ecocd on Jul 18, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But what is realistic?
How many teams had the luxury of being so deep in pitching that they were going to trade away a solid #2 starter with 3 or more years of control for a prospect like Lawrie?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Toronto
maybe we could have gotten Ricky Romero in the trade. I realize he hasnt had much major league success yet but Kyle Drabek might have been a nice target as well. I think Toronto may have been willing to overpay because Lawrie is Canadian and the Jays have always wanted a Canadian star.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I very much doubt Romero would have been available
Hard to give up 4 years of proven pitching for 6 years of unproven offense, no?
by The Left Button on Jul 18, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
They just signed Romero to an affordable extension
so I doubt that they were interested in dealing him.
Drabek wasn’t likely available either, but even if he was, he hasn’t been very good this season, the Brewers wouldn’t be where they are today.
Also, I seriously doubt that the Blue Jays are going to overpay by much just because Lawrie is from Canada.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Lawrie is a very good prospect but he’s not Ryan Braun or anything. He’s (by some accounts) a future corner outfielder, and he’s projected to have like 25 HR power. That’s Corey Hart with a better eye at the plate.
A very valuable piece and a top prospect, but still the type of guy I’m willing to deal to improve the team in areas of need.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
If there's one thing I hate
Its team trying to take advantage of a sucky division by trying to win it…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
by MrLeam on Jul 18, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Not as disrespectful
as this wonderful article…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
by MrLeam on Jul 18, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Who knew he was such a NOFX fan?
That’s a Jew [sic], a Mexican [sic], a Chinaman [sic], and a regular American.
In case you don’t get the reference
Also, “Moran” could be a Mighty Mighty Bosstones/Sammy the Bull reference. Who would have guessed the ska/punk scene was thriving in Decatur, IL?
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Jul 18, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right
I don’t have any hard evidence to go on, but that’s certainly the impression that I get…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
brooklyin , did I not warn you about going outside of the group think here.
If you are not all rainbows and ponies you get in trouble. The trick is to just smile and wave and agree with everyone else. You know go along to get along ;) lol This Brewers team is the best team in the history of the game the 27 Yankees would not want a part of this awesome first place Brewers team. See how it is done ;)
Any negative or less than totally believing comments about the Brewers are bad Ju Ju and will only get you in trouble
Now smile and wave
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Oh snap, it's the persecution police!
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 18, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Look Kyle! He wants to start the wave!
BAN HIM NOW!
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 18, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yes come on Kyle ban me lol
Come see the violence inherent in the system If you are going to ban me for having a little fun where I attacked no one and did not utter one swear word so be it
Make Brian’s day lol
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Brian go read the BCB standard of conduct and tell me what I did that deserved being banned
last I checked being an ass was not illegal here as long as you did not attack individuals and I have not done that at all.
I was just giving Brooklyn a little support trying to help him learn on the system works here where is the harm in that?
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
You wanted to start the wave
Now smile and wave
By KL’s standards that may very well be with a banhammer.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
I am prepared to take what every punishment the BCB court cares to dole out
I have faith in Kyle if I stepped over the line he will take care of it always has in the past and there is something to make Brians leg tingle like Chris Matthews on Election night the next ban is for Life lol so close Brian So close lol
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
I'm slow today.
I didn’t get the joke until you pointed that out.
I’m going to go back and rec Brian’s comment now.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
As the founder of the BrewCrewBall Commenter's Union
it’s my responsibility to protect all commenters! Solidarity!
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
That's a really stupid comment.
How many people on here are COMPLETELY happy with the team? I’d say probably…. zero.
Everyone wants a better SS and a better bench, and more performance from the 3B position.
Claiming that anyone thinks this is the best team ever is at best, ridiculous.
For your health!
I am really more annoyed because he says the same thing in every thread/mug.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 18, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Every thread mug I think not
I rarely comment here anymore, show me what I said negative in any of the last 7 mugs Brian but I am glad I annoyed you ;)
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
It was a wave related joke...
Prince: "Brewers will win the World Series and I'll sign a 10-year deal in Milwaukee"
Braun: "Well, I guess there's just one thing to do then..."
Chris,
My sarcasm apparently didn’t come through. I do not want you banned. As SAE said, it was simply a wave joke.
My comment here was about Brooklyn making the same comments nearly every time he posts. – I don’t care if they are positive or negative.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 18, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Even I managed to stop complaining about Yuni every day.
It took about a month, I think.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
Screw that. I hate Yuni
For your health!
by menchkins on Jul 18, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I remember
what you said but I am just a renegade at heart.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Fight the Power Brooklyn Fight the Power
95% of the people here are good people just keep giving the other 5% hell lol
:)
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Appreciate the support
Chris. Its good to see that at least one guy doesnt hate me around here lol.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure backtocali think's you're awesome too.
I don’t hate you. I doubt many others do here either. We just think you’re wrong and repetitive.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 18, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't even necessarily think he's wrong alot of the time, just repetitive
Casey Mcgehee probably needs to be replaced, but I’ve heard Taylor Green should be starting so often, that I think I hate Taylor Green now.
Hitting both points in the mug today...
Just in case anyone forgot you want green to start and hate melvin.
by uwbadgers on Jul 18, 2011 1:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I told him to just put it into his signature so he wouldn't have to waste his time typing it every day.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Jul 18, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pace yourself.
I’m just as frustrated with this outfit as you are, but when we — and by “we” I mean malcontents like you and me — hit the same topics every day, it gets lost when we’ve actually got a point to make.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Jul 18, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
I am done repeating my thoughts on Melvin and the state of the organization going forward.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
You might be just as frustrated...
… but I honestly don’t think it’s remotely the same thing. You don’t refuse to acknowledge that anything positive is happening with this team, and bklynbrewcrew generally does refuse to make that acknowledgment.
And I don’t think anyone here is content with things the way they are.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 18, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jimenez
with all of this talk about Ubaldo Jimenez being on the block I was wondering if maybe we should entertain offers for Gallardo in the offseason. I was thinking that since we have a thin farm system maybe trading Gallardo for 3 or 4 studs wouldnt be such a bad idea.
Before anyone says I am crazy I am not looking to trade Gallardo but if we could get 3 or 4 studs for Yo would you do it? I would do it only if we received a ridiculous offer from a talent rich organization like Tampa, Texas, or Atlanta.
If you do that
Then you’d also need to trade Greinke, Marcum, Weeks, Axford and Hart since it’d be a total rebuild. I don’t see that happening.
Get a ife broseph
I disagree
that it would have to be a total rebuild. If we traded for 4 top prospects 2 of which are in AA or higher it wouldnt have to be rebuilding but reloading. I doubt we are offered such a deal but if we were the team should consider it. I would say that Braun and Weeks should be the only complete untouchables and that Gallardo shouldnt be moved unless the package was overwheling.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd eather trade Greinke or Marcum or both mid-season if we aren't in contention.
I wouldn’t trade Gallardo personally.
For your health!
Totally agree with this
next season. I think we can contend next season, but if we don’t, and can get a good return for either, we should take it.
by Archibaldcrane on Jul 18, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
If you trade Gallardo
You’re basically giving up on 2012 while the guys are in AA. You’d be giving up on 2013 as the prospects are just starting to reach the majors. 2014 you could maybe compete.
If you’re giving up on 2012, 2013 and maybe 2014…what’s the point of keeping the current guys around?
Get a ife broseph
And that's obviously under the assumption that the prospects turn out to be great
If they bust…disaster.
Get a ife broseph
Many guys in AA
are only a half season or so away from the majors. I am not looking to trade Gallardo but if some team makes us an unbelievable offer we would be foolish to not consider it.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 18, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like we're belaboring a very moot point here.
Yes, if someone blows you away with an offer for Gallardo, you take it. And if someone blows you away with an offer for anyone else, you take that too.
But, with that said, no one’s going to want to tear pieces off of a contending team unless they get immediate return on investment.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Considering what some team was dumb enough to pay Suppan (a mere NLCS MVP)
Just imagine what we could collect in exchange for the 2011 World Series MVP!
Prince: "Brewers will win the World Series and I'll sign a 10-year deal in Milwaukee"
Braun: "Well, I guess there's just one thing to do then..."
World Series MVP without ever getting on base
First player ever to record 10 sac flies in one World Series. We’ll throw in two walkoffs for good measure.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 18, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade Gallardo for a couple guys who have an off chance of becoming Gallardo?
Why? Never trade good young pitching under team control for a bunch more years.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
by SRB on Jul 18, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Braun
I didn’t like seeing him play that first game after the AS break when he wasn’t running full speed. I realize that the team needs Braun in the lineup as much as possible (particularly with Kotsay or Gomez as the alternatives), but I hope they don’t continue playing him if he’s still being bothered by that calf strain. I’d much rather put him on the DL and get him back to 100% instead of having him limp along (pun intended) the rest of the season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jon Heyman:
jeff suppan 4-1 w/ 2.28 ERA in last 6 for triple-a omaha. source: #royals would let him go to any team seeking mlb help
Cubs really need to get him to complete the set.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 18, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
So the net value of the deal is...
-$3,999,980.05
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by SRB on Jul 18, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still wish
or any team in the PCL, really. Except for Reno, they don’t come to Iowa or Omaha in 2011. XD
Buy?
We’ll look the other way if you steal them.
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by ecocd on Jul 18, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Look the other way?
Hell we’ll send him to another team cover the shipping and attach a note that says no returns accepted.
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by Flanyboy on Jul 18, 2011 2:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If we take him back can we also have one of their myriad 1st base prospects?
Clint Robinson is going to rot in their system forever despite the fact that he OPS’s over 1000 every year.
For your health!
the Royals need MLB help
alternately, they could try using Nathan Adcock more than once a fortnight. not that it really helps—he should be in AA—but he’s at least on the 40-man.
What do you think it would cost to get Randy Choate from the arlins? (I'm talking to anyone)
He’s been an incredible LOOGY this year.
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Making $1.5 Million next year, FA 2013
They signed him this offseason so they probably aren’t looking to move him, but I doubt he’s entirely unavailable. They’ll probably be asking more than he’s worth, but the Brewers really are short a quality lefty in the pen.
Then again, with Saito, K-Rod and Axford available, there aren’t going to be many high leverage situations where RRR would remove them from the game unless it was a complete and total meltdown. They’re pretty much in there to finish an inning to the bitter end. There isn’t as much need for a LHP in the bullpen as there would be for most teams.
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Just read on MLBTR that they will likely make him available.
We may need it less than most teams but I still think it’s a need. I’d much rather have a LOOGY in the pen than Dillard who… as far as I can tell, has no value whatsoever to the current roster.
For your health!
Somebody needs to give the bullpen a rest
when it’s a blowout.
In all seriousness, Stetter has been bumped to Nashville to continue his rehab assignment. It’s very possible that he’ll be rejoining the team. He’s not a great LOOGY, but they currently don’t really have any other options.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
No need to trade for anybody.
I guess they were determined to send Braddock down, so just give him a couple weeks now and call him back up. LTOGY.
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Chris Narveson has the highest fWAR of any Brewers starter
Is that an indictment of fWAR or a signal that Narveson is being vastly underrated this year. 3.50 FIP over 108 IP puts him well into the top half of all NL starters. Helluva 5th starter.
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Sorry, Greinke's 80 IP doesn't "qualify" him, but he's above Narveson
We know Greinke is a strange case right now and his advanced statistics might not be telling the whole story of his game, but it’s still an achievement for Narveson.
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Narveson
I also like him as a 5th starter. We could do far worse and he is a really solid pitcher.
Finally something we can agree wholeheartedly on.
I have an irrational like (it’s not quite love) of Chris Narveson.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 18, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, look at that, you said something positive about the Brewers.
Let me nudge you up on ye-olde-credibility-scale I have here.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 18, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Adam McCalvy wins the lineup race today, posting just seconds before Tom Haudricourt.
Tonight’s lineup:
Corey Hart RF
Nyjer Morgan CF
Mark Kotsay LF
Prince Fielder 1B
Rickie Weeks 2B
George Kottaras C
Casey McGehee 3B
Yuniesky Betancourt SS
Randy Wolf P
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I wish to hell they would have put Braun on the DL before the all star break...
… instead of trying to get him through on meaningless pinch hitting opportunities like last night’s which prevent from backdating any eventual trip to the DL.
I also don’t get why, if you’re going to pull Weeks out of leadoff, you don’t hit Morgan 1st on the days he plays and Hart second, where he’s had historical success.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 18, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
They mentioned it last night.
Roenicke likes having Morgan bat second so he can bunt Hart over if he gets on, since Morgan is a good bunter.
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Yeah.
I hope Rubie was all over that one, because if you’re not tied in the late innings, that’s just stupid IMO.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 18, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus they're getting nothing out of Yuni, Casey and little from the catchers spot
Don’t get the logic making one of the guys who is producing get himself out on purpose.
Get a ife broseph
Yuni's fiery latin blood
Prepares him for the heat of Arizona. And yes, I realize they have AC, but maybe RRR doesn’t.
His Fiery Latin blood doesn't prepare him for anything as far as I can tell
For your health!
by menchkins on Jul 18, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs











































