Thursday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while asking the tough questions. (h/t @beckjason)
Don't look now, but the Brewers' 5-2, 10 inning win over the Diamondbacks last night pushed the "terrible on the road" Crew to 4-3 on this west coast road trip. Last night's win came at a price, though: Carlos Gomez broke his collarbone while making a diving catch and may be out for the rest of the season.
While many of us were expecting Brandon Boggs to get the call to fill Gomez's roster spot, the Brewers have called up Nashville outfielder Brett Carroll instead. He's 28 years old, spent parts of the last four seasons playing with the Marlins and was hitting .281/.356/.469 in 93 games for Nashville this season. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker has a scouting report that details Carroll's abilities as a defense-first outfielder with a strong arm.
Nyjer Morgan was pressed into duty when Gomez had to leave the game last night and ended up going 1-for-3, driving in the winning run and scoring one of his own in the tenth inning. Howie Magner of Milwaukee Magazine says the trade that brought him to Milwaukee keeps looking better and better.
John Axford pitched a hitless tenth to record his 23rd consecutive save last night. Doug Harrison of CBC.ca has a feature on Axford and the way he's handled the K-Rod deal. Axford is now tenth on the Brewer all time list with 51, and could move all the way up to fifth with 15 more saves in 2011.
Other notes from the field:
- Arizona shortstop Stephen Drew left the game one play before Gomez after fracturing his right ankle on a play at the plate. He's likely to need surgery and is done for the season.
- The game went to extra innings after Francisco Rodriguez allowed two runs in the eighth to tie the contest. He was put into the game in place of Chris Narveson, who had thrown just 87 pitches over seven shutout innings and retired the last ten batters he'd faced.
- The Diamondbacks had a runner on third and no outs in the ninth, but the Brewers went to the five infielder alignment and were able to get out of the jam.
- Ryan Braun's first inning homer gave him three in his last four games at Chase Field. A ball that would have been his second homer of the game was overturned by replay.
- He knocked these numbers down a bit by going 1-for-5 with three strikeouts last night, but Casey McGehee entered the game as a .482 career hitter against Arizona, the best of any player since 2009.
- Chris Narveson, Ryan Braun and Ryan Cook are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
The two teams play one last 8:40 start in the series finale tonight, and Audrey Snyder of MLB.com has the preview.
Yuniesky Betancourt went 1-for-3 last night, drawing a walk for the first time in over 40 plate appearances and getting caught trying to steal third with two outs and the top of the order due up. Here are today's Yuni notes:
- If you've been watching many Brewer games on FS Wisconsin this season, then you've probably noticed this too: Rubie Q is sick of listening to BA and Rock make excuses for Yuni.
- He also noted that last night's excuse du jour was Yuni putting too much pressure on himself.
- Yuni was one of two Brewers (Mark Kotsay is the other) on The OC Register's list of eleven candidates for the worst position player in baseball.
I don't want to read too much into this, but I thought it was interesting. Rickie Weeks (23.88 seconds) and Corey Hart (22.71 seconds) both trotted slower than Ryan Braun and his bad leg (22.45 seconds) following their home runs on Tuesday. And somehow, both of Yuni's trots were faster than all of these.
Meanwhile, the search for a viable alternative at short continues. Jerry Crasnick says the Brewers have had internal conversation about Clint Barmes of the Astros. Meanwhile, Buster Olney (via Metsblog) is reporting that the Brewers are trying to find a way to get Carlos Beltran from the Mets.
Yovani Gallardo struck out six Diamondbacks on Tuesday, and is tied for baseball's second longest active streak with at least one K in 21 consecutive outings. The longest active streak belongs to White Sox reliever Sergio Santos, who has done it in 22 games.
We have more bad news this morning regarding Zach Braddock. He's still on the inactive list at Nashville, and the team is saying they can't discuss the reason.
In the minors:
- The affiliates went 2-3 last night, and Wily Peralta allowed just one run on three hits and struck out nine in seven innings in Huntsville's 3-1 win over Chattanooga. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- 2011 fourth round pick Nick Ramirez was MLB Depth Charts' Under the Radar NL Minor League Hitter of the Week.
- The voters have spoken, and Wisconsin will be giving away Khris Davis bobbleheads on August 29.
Around baseball:
Dodgers: Fired hitting coach Jeff Pentland.
Tigers: Acquired infielder Wilson Betemit from the Royals for two minor leaguers and designated third baseman Brandon Inge for assignment. (FanShot)
On the surface Inge seems like someone who could be a somewhat interesting target for the Brewers, but he's really struggling this season. He's hitting .170/.242/.242 through 70 games, and has a lower career OPS than Casey McGehee (.761 to .693). He says he'll accept an assignment to AAA Toledo if it comes to that.
By now you've probably heard that last night's win pushed the Brewers back into sole possession of first place in the NL Central. If you're interested in doing some more scoreboard watching today, the Cardinals and Mets finish off a four game set in New York at 11:10. You already know that and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central.
Today in former Brewers: Alcides Escobar has played in every game and only missed 13 innings for the Royals this season.
We're far enough into the season that it's hard to treat this as a statistical anomaly anymore: David Pinto of Baseball Musings points out that run scoring is down across about half a run per game across baseball this season.
Today in baseball economics:
- It's possible the trade deadline's biggest story will be a fire sale in Houston. Jon Heyman is reporting that new Astros ownership has asked management to cut the payroll to $60 million, and as a result the Astros are shopping pitchers Wandy Rodriguez and Brett Myers in addition to outfielder Hunter Pence. The A's are looking to sell too.
- Maybe the Astros should start selling bobbleheads: The Twins released 1000 sets of bobbleheads for their entire 1991 World Series team and sold them all yesterday at a price of $391 each, raising nearly $400,000.
- Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times has a reminder that annual profits and losses for major league teams pale in comparison to the return on investment they're seeing when it comes to the growth of franchise values.
There is no asset in baseball greater than young pitching. When David Price took the mound for the Rays last night, it was the 698th consecutive time they've started a pitcher under age 30. (h/t @robneyer)
Meanwhile, rookie outfielder Bryan Petersen pitched a scoreless ninth for the Marlins in last night's 14-3 loss.
Today's edition of Today In Brewer History is celebrating Geoff Jenkins' 37th birthday, but Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the 23rd anniversary of Robin Yount's 100th triple. Yount and Paul Molitor (86) are the only Brewers to break 50 for a career. Rickie Weeks and Corey Hart are tied for sixth on the all time list with 26.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to the store.
Drink up.
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Beltran
Love the Olney quote about “trying to find nickels under the couch cushions” when referring to this potential deal.
Why is DM pursuing Beltran? He probably cant handle CF anymore, they have a pretty good deal going on with Morgan right now out there, and even if he could scrape togehter prospects to get him, where does he play?
Unless the deal involves sending Morgan or even Corey Hart to NY, I dont get it. Raises suspcion again that MA is pulling strings behind the scenes.
Red Sox wind up getting him in the end I would suspect.
Question
Would the anyone be willing to trade Corey Hart + B prospect for Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran? Would the Mets do it?
I know they said they don’t want to move Reyes, but the fact is that both of those players will likely be gone next year, so why won’t they flip him for an established player with a manageable contract, one they could very likely extend when it expires in 2 years?
I would do this in a heartbeat.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jul 21, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Who do they replace Beltran with next year, though?
I mean, I’m all for slash and burn when it comes to prospects, but Hart’s still a nice player on a good contract.
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly this.
hart’s contract is very manageable (unlike some jayson werths out there), he’s got good production, and is established. the only reason i could see an interest in beltran is part of a three team deal.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on Jul 21, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Carlos Gomez
It is a downgrade from Hart, yes, but that would be a phenomenally talent defensive outfield.
As a small market team, you don’t get too many swings at a world series. I think that lineup would be better than the Phillies
by LosinCatmansLove on Jul 21, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I think our lineup is already better than the Phillies
Lucroy .281/.321/.406
Ruiz .262/.366/.361
Fielder .292/.413/.557
Howard .247/.342/.452
Weeks .277/.351/.491
Utley .270/.367/.433
McGehee .228/.279/.313
Polanco .274/.331/.346
Betancourt .245/.265/.366
Rollins .277/.344/.410
Braun .320/.397/.569
Ibanez .243/.288/.414
Morgan .333/.364/.484
Victorino .295/.368/.509
Hart .256/.339/.465
Francisco .228/.335/.364
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
And the margins of those advantages isn't as glaring as it is with ours.
Yuni may be terrible, but it’s not like J-roll is lighting it up, unlike where Brauny is over 100 points better in every slash stat.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Right
If we do comparisons based on OPS instead of position…
Fielder .292/.413/.557/.970
Victorino .295/.368/.509/.877
Braun .320/.397/.569/.967
Utley .270/.367/.433/.800
Morgan .333/.364/.484/.848
Howard .247/.342/.452/.794
Weeks .277/.351/.491/.842
Rollins .277/.344/.410/.753
Hart .256/.339/.465/.804
Ruiz .262/.366/.361/.727
Lucroy .281/.321/.406/.727
Ibanez .243/.288/.414/.703
Betancourt .245/.265/.366/.631
Francisco .228/.335/.364/.699
McGehee .228/.279/.313/.593
Polanco .274/.331/.346/.676
Their advantage is down to only two player and like you said, the difference is more than made up by the rest of the lineup.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
That pitchign staff would be the difference maker in a 5 game series
My prediction would be that it would be a repeat of 08 done in 4.
That prediction makes sense
But Halladay’s worst start of the season (by far) was against the Brewers. Lots can happen in a five-game series.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 21, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh,
CC was great, but the rotation this year is much closer to the Phillies rotation than it was then.
08 was a kind of gassed CC, a rusty Gallardo, Dave Bush, and Jeff Suppan, you recall.
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot someone
The 2008 Milwaukee Brewers: where running out the 5th starter on 2 days’ rest is a good idea
Morgan'd
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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oops, I meant Maddux'd
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Who am I forgetting?
Parra didn’t start a game in the playoffs…
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The 2008 playoff starters?
1. Gallardo
2. Sabathia
3. Bush
4. Suppan
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Which is what I said above, right?
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, i was being harebrained about the end of the '08 season
and that 4th starter …well, yeah, it shouldn’t have been Suppan, but then you’d have the long reliever on 3 days’ rest and that wouldn’t have worked either. but it would have been understandable, and less irritating
Yeah, if Gallardo was healthy enough to pitch in that game at all, he should have started it.
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
But "POSTSEASON EXPERIENCE"
was the whole reason they got Soup, so they couldn’t just sit him I guess…
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I seem to recall
that the decision to start Soup was made with utmost resignation.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Gallardo worked the 4th 5th and 6th in Game 4.
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
*facepalm*
My memory’s shot. Admittedly the only bit of the entire playoffs I got to listen to or see, as far as I remember, was that grand slam that Victorino hit. (thanks, work)
Don't feel bad.
I was at that game and don’t remember Gallardo pitching.
The only thing I remember is fucking Suppan.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 21, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I recall
A leadoff homer by Rollins, no?
So you're saying...
that you know Suppan in the Biblical sense?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Jul 21, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the crew wins the division
and the phillies have the best record in the NL, they wouldn’t meet until the NLCS provided both teams advance.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Sure about that?
Assuming the WC comes out of the East, either San Fran or Milwaukee would have to face Philly, right?
Get a ife broseph
Ahh yes... that little stipulation
so it would be conceivable for the Crew to make the 5 game series w/ philly.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Yes.
And assuming the Phillies have the best record, then the division winner with the worst record (and there’s a good chance that’d be the Central Division winner) would play them.
That would be a kick in the nads
but I guess someone has to play the Phillies.
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Correction
That’s a good argument for us to play hardagainst the Giants this weekendthe rest of the season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Jul 21, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably not fair to put Morgan in this at least right now.
His numbers are inflated compared to what he will do the rest of the year based solely on the fact that he will now be facing righties.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 21, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean lefties - but I'm pretty sure the new guy will be facing lefties as a starter
Say what you want about RRR, but he seems to realize that Plush flat-out can’t hit lefties, and that’s why we have a righty CFer coming up.
by Archibaldcrane on Jul 21, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like Carroll will be taking Morgan's place in the platoon.
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean Gomez's?
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Yes. Confusion abounds in this sub-thread.
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This guy?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Jul 21, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
man who stand on toilet
high on pot
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
True
Putting together Gomez and Morgan’s stats…
.273/.314/.428/.742
It would affect the rankings, but still keep the Brewers’ hitters ahead…
Weeks .277/.351/.491/.842
Howard .247/.342/.452/.794
Hart .256/.339/.465/.804
Rollins .277/.344/.410/.753
MorganGomez .273/.314/.428/.742
Ruiz .262/.366/.361/.727
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
We need a bigger offensive cushion than that
I like our pitchers….but their rotation is historic
by LosinCatmansLove on Jul 21, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
top 3 is
Vance Worley has been a pleasant surprise, but Oswalt is still out, and Blanton is still fat.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Plus i feel more confident in our guys against Halladay/Lee than against guys that throw low 90s deception
http://www.mlbsoup.com
er... i guess i should just say, i feel confident in their ability to hit good pitchers
http://www.mlbsoup.com
If I'm Sandy Alderson
I would want Hart and a top 100 prospect for Reyes. And that means Thornburg. And that might still not get it done.
Sure you get 2 draft picks when Reyes leaves, but then you leave yourself in pretty awful shape for next year, worse than they are already set up for now.
If that's the type of haul Alderson is looking for
It makes sense that they aren’t trading Reyes this year.
Get a ife broseph
They probably re-sign him anyway
Makes sense though, youre getting an mvp candidate, you should expect to have to pay a hefty premium to get him.
Reyes getting injured hurts trade market
He’s known for his injuries, and he just missed time the past month – that should have scared a lot of teams off from giving up that kind of haul for him.
Get a ife broseph
well...
that’s a thinker… Thornburg just made Brevard County, and has a LONG way to go to show if he’s MLB material. He’s definitely looking good so far, but…
Ugh, I know I don’t want to strip the system even more, but if it leads to a phenomenal October, I just might sell the soul to do it.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Jul 21, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but Hyatt doesn't want to play the guee-tar.
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or the fiddle if we're in Georgia for that matter
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Ok
Thornburg’s total FIP (correct me if I’m doing it wrong, please) =
(7 HR * 13 +(49 BB + 8 HBP – 0 IBB) * 3 -146 K * 2) / 119 IP = -0.25
I don’t care if Cal Ripken is available, two months of any hitter isn’t worth several seasons of solid pitching, even he only ends up as an end of rotation guy.
You need to add a league-adjusted modifier to bring it into line with ERA
It’s usually in 3.2 range, IIRC. So that makes Thornburg’s FIP something around 3.00.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 21, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd wager that's meaningful
But to the point: I see him as an extremely talented pitching prospect, and you don’t give those away for two months of a position player.
Agreed
Though Reyes would probably be the only position player rental in the majors I wouldn’t be pissed about moving Thornburg for. It’s all a moot point, though, as it’s never gonna happen.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 21, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to have Reyes
I’m just not willing to pay more than he’s worth. I’m somewhat looking forward to the Mets getting screwed by their greed and re-signing Reyes for too much money, only to end up with an even worse team and looking to trade him again next year.
Lets not forget though
That as spectacular as Thornburg has been, many scouts and FO types see him as a closer. And again that ugly “lack of changeup/3rd pitch” comes into play with him.
He’s old for A ball, and hasnt faced advanced level hitting yet.
If I knew he was going to stick as a starter I wouldnt make the move, but right now he looks like a bullpen guy to me, and would gladly move him if it meant Reyes coming over.
He's 22?
There are only 5 players younger than him at Brevard County. His results are as good or better than anyone’s that I can find in the FSL. I don’t understand why you think he’s not worth anything.
He didn't say he wasn't worth anything
Just that there are a lot of question marks surrounding him, which is true.
Get a ife broseph
Sample size
the guy has had 5 starts at Hi-A. Let’s get him some action before making the proclomation that he’s as good or better than anything in the FSL.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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If he projects as a bullpen arm
I have no problem with it. But if he winds up being an Odirizzi type player, then I wouldnt like it, or even as a mid rotation type of player.
I am also not in opposition to trading away one or two of the bottom rotation guys currently in the system (Heckathorn, Rivas, Peralta or Scarpetta) as their ultimate value even as starters may not be very big.
You'd need some good stuff to go with those to land Reyes or Beltran
It would take Thornburg to get either one plus more.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Personally think Peralta has more value than Thornburg
He’s preforming better at a higher level (with the stuff to back it up) and is younger than Thornburg
Get a ife broseph
I love Thornburg
And hope the Brewer’s don’t trade him. But for whatever reason he reminds me of Will Inman.
by Infield Fly Rule on Jul 21, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Admittedly this more gut/stat feeling than expert analysis
But there are some tangible simiarities:
- Both were 3rd round picks.
- Initial knock on both was due to size.
- Comparison by level:
Rookie Ball:
Inman: ERA: 1.91 (47 IP)
WHIP: 0.87
SO/9: 11.3
Thorn: ERA: 1.93 (23 IP)
WHIP: 1.11
SO/9: 14.7
Low A:
Inman: ERA: 1.71 (110 IP)
WHIP: 0.895
SO/9: 10.9
Thorn: ERA: 1.57 (68 IP)
WHIP: 1.07
SO/9: 10.0
High A
Inman: ERA: 1.72 (78 IP)
WHIP: 1.00
SO/9: 11.2
Thorn: ERA: 1.67 (27 IP)
WHIP: 1.04
SO/9: 10.7
Inman dominated rookie ball and low and high A in his first two years (last part of ’05, ’06, and first half of ’07 before being promoted to AA). He struggled in AA with the Brewers before being traded to the Padres in the much maligned Scott Linebrink trade.
Thornburg has a lot fewer innings under his belt to date, hopefully he can keep it going.
by Infield Fly Rule on Jul 21, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
OOOH nice stat comp!
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Its really hard to compare those stats
Thornburg is a lot older than Inman was at the same level. Thornburg has had more velocity than Inman. The only real comparison I see is size, and that’s certainly worth comparing.
Get a ife broseph
I agree
Thornburg definately has an advantage in pure “stuff” I just remember back in 2007 when Inman was all the rage based on what he had done up to that point in Class A. He was in line to be the next Brewers top prospect (since Braun and Gallardo had just graduated).
While scouts weren’t in love with Inman’s “stuff”, he had a lot going for him and was highly though of in his ability to “pitch” Unfortunately for him hasn’t worked out in higher levels.
by Infield Fly Rule on Jul 21, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Good call
Inman is a pretty good example of the “stuff” mattering just as much as the stats.
Hopefully Thornburg’s change-up turns out to be close to average, and the concerns about his ability to hold velocity lessen as he gets more experience.
Get a ife broseph
I wonder if the Mets would do Beltran+prospect for Hart
Long term, Hart has to be more valuable then Beltran no?
by KittenMittons on Jul 21, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I think there is
fWAR
Hart 1.5 vs. Beltran 3.9
Defensively they’re pretty close now, but Beltran is hitting very well this season.
However, he’s also 34 and will be a FA next season. If they trade away Hart, they’ll get a bump in offensive right now, but next season they’ll be looking for a new RF.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Expanded
The ROS Zips projections have Beltran with a .370 wOBA and Hart with a .355 wOBA.
There’s very little difference between them, and Hart is (obviously) under contract for longer.
Get a ife broseph
In answer to the WAR question
Beltran has 27.4% more IP than Hart. That would bump Hart’s fWAR up to 1.9 over comparable playing time. It’s looking like last year was the aberration for Beltran and his .397 wOBA is nearly sustainable; ZiPS would place a fair amount of emphasis on his 2010 season, but if we throw out 2010, Beltran’s ROS ZiPS should go up from the .370.
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I don't really follow
For the purposes of forecasting, you’re going to get the best results by throwing out the aberrations. The only thing consistent about Hart has been his inconsistency. Beltran’s wOBA:
2003: .402
2004: .394
2005: .324
2006: .412
2007: .375
2008: .380
2009: .398
2010: .332
2011: .397
He’s demonstrated the capability of throwing in a clunker with his 2005 and 2010 performances, but he has a much stronger track record of consistently high wOBA. Forecast the rest of his 2011 performance by using his 2010 performance and you’re going to get a poor forecast.
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Zips accounts for everything
Good and bad, I guess I don’t see the point in throwing out seasons.
Regardless, if its even a debate, I don’t think its worth making a trade.
Get a ife broseph
They might
but I hope the Brewers aren’t willing to do that trade.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I wouldn't do this
The upgrade this year isn’t worth losing him for the next 2. Also, we would not get a compensation pick when Beltra leaves next year, which lowers his value on the market.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jul 21, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
No but according to Tim Brown
Beltran can be had for cash. “Beltran … can be had for either prospects or salary (about $6 million)”. The Brewers are supposedly included on a list of teams given to Beltran that can meet Alderson’s demands. If Melvin truly has interest I assume it’s to fill the 5 spot in the line up which Hart is apparently unwilling to do. If they can get Beltran for mainly cash plus a low level prospect or two then it makes perfect sense. You make Hart the 4th OF for the remainder of the year. He could get his at bats platooning with Morgan and giving Beltran and Braun’s nagging hammy days off. You get to move Weeks back to lead off and have a dependable switch hitting bat behind Fielder. Unfortunately, I assume Philly will come up with a better offer than any Melvin could muster.
I know money is money and the Mets don't have any
But their ownership situation is improving so I have a hard time believing they’ll take cash over prospects here.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 21, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
If he was available for nothing but cash, he’d probably already be a Yankee.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 21, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What?
Sit Hart? The OF we just signed? This is why looking at Beltran is just barking up the wrong tree. We are trying to fix what isn’t broken.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jul 21, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
with the demise of McGehee the brewers have had a problem
protecting Fielder in the lineup all year so I would say it is a little broken. solving the problem at SS isn’t going to do anything about the problem with 5 spot, Melvin needs to deal with both issues if possible. Flip flopping Hart and Weeks is a stopgap but ideally Weeks hits leadoff. Beltran would be a very nice solution to the problem. If Hart doesn’t like the idea of getting bumped to being the 4th outfielder then stop whining, step up, and produce in the 5 hole.
It is really a problem?
How would Fielder be hitting differently if there was a better #5 hitter protecting him in the lineup?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I think the only difference is that he'd get IBB'd less...
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 21, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
as of 7/15
“the Brewers’ No. 5 hitters have combined for a .212 average, four home runs and 35 RBI”. I would say that’s a problem.
I was referring to the "protection" part
Obviously we could use more production out of the #5 spot, but I don’t think it has hurt Fielder’s production by not having a decent person behind him in the lineup.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
yeah, it's hard to argue against your point given what Fielder has done this year
i can back peddle off whole protection concept and just leave it more production from the 5 spot without having to move Weeks.
I would argue that an OPS+ of 120 is producing in the five-hole.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 21, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
i was really just speculating on
what Melvin’s interest in Beltran could possibly be. i seriously doubt he’d be willing to move Hart in exchange for 2 months of Beltran so I assume a 4 man outfield of Hart, Braun, Morgan, Beltran. The only needs I see that filling are (1) allowing Roenicke to move Weeks back to leadoff and inserting Beltran into the 5th spot and (2) strengthening the bench. It’s really moot because as both Kyle and BTC have pointed out someone else is going to come up with a better package that Melvin ever could.
yes, and if Hart had an OPS+ of 120 while hitting in the 5 hole
i’m sure he’d still be hitting there.
Good point
His OPS+ as 5th in the lineup is the second worst out of any other lineup position (behind 9th).
His best is #2 followed by #3.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Ive read that its either or, or a combination
The Giants have been the odds on perfect fit, and thats reportedly with the Mets being willing to pay a big chunk of his remaining salary. But the hold up is that in exchange for them taking on that salary, they want a top level prospect, which the Giants have at least 2 of that they could move to get this deal done. But are unwilling to include in a deal for a rental that you dont get anything for at the end of the year.
right, that's the question...
what sort of prospects are SF, PHI, ATL willing to part with for a 2 month rental? especially with PHI & ATL in the same division as the mets. if Attanasio’s pockets are deep enough can that get it done? again, i doubt it but thought it worth mentioning.
I think that the issue is that the Mets want something for 2012 and beyond
Instead of cash. Beltran projects for about 2 more WAR for the rest of the season, that’s $9 million value. No add in for draft comensation, subttract remaining salary equals about $3 million in surplus value. Double that amount for a premium, and then add on what the Mets might be willing to pay of whats left…that puts you in the 50-100 top prospect range.
Corey Hart straight up actually works well (for the Mets) except that I would be very leery of having Hart playing 81 games in Citi Field. (Hart suplus value a little under $10 million).
They can have Yuni for 2012 and beyond
And I don’t really care what the Mets want. I care what two months of Reyes is worth.
Reyes
I would estimate Reyes’ value in a trade at about:
$8.1 million in production (1.9 WAR)
$5 million in draft pick compensation
- $3.7 million remaining in salary
$9.3 million in straight surplus value, if you add on 50% or even 100% for a premium, you are looking at a top 25 prospect if a pitcher or a 25-50 ranked hitting prospect.
In terms of the Brewers, that’s Corey Hart plus Tyler Thornburg.
I guess we'll have to disagree
And it certainly didn’t take long for us to become accustomed to having enough quality starting pitching.
i don't think BTC was saying it should be done
rather just quantifying what it would take. which, by the way, i very much appreciate.
Come the trade deadline they'll take what they can get
And ultimately, that might be cash and a bag of balls. The market dictates what a rental player is worth, not the GM trading to trade him.
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2 wins is still 2 wins
He will come at a high price tag I am sure.
Even with the Mets not offering anything, he still probably merits a top 10 prospect who isnt in the top 100. But that’s the thing, the Mets are willing to pitch in, so I wont be shocked at all if the Red Sox or Giants pony up to get him.
$9 or $10 mil, depending on who you ask
But I believe that fangraphs lists 1 WAR as $4.5 million. I have seen other sources and with other tools say its $5.
I think Boston has to go after a starter and
the Phils and Braves may be a little hesitant with prospects because of the divisional thing so I’d say you’re dead on with the Giants being the most likely landing spot.
Phils and Braves may just pursue Pence as well
Given that it will take a big time arm and a bat probably to get him, and both teams have an abundance of arms to trade if they wanted.
Where did this "Hart refuses to bat 5th" thing come from?
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
To elaborate:
Hart said he lobbied Roenicke earlier in the season for a move out of the fifth spot. The rightfielder was 1 for 7 in the series and 1 for 17 against the Rockies coming into Saturday.
“I actually told him five was my least-favorite spot to hit, for whatever reason,” said Hart. "I told him it gets in my head, and I have a hard time with it. I told him I’d try it and see what I could do. Obviously, it wasn’t working out, so I think that’s why I’m moving up to the leadoff spot. I told him I don’t mind.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Ok, but I still don’t think that leads to the notion that Hart is refusing to hit there to the point that Melvin needs to replace him with Carlos Beltran.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
I didn't say it did.
But I think he’s made pretty clear that he doesn’t want to hit fifth.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
No, but the original post I was responding to did.
I think maybe it’s slightly overblown like the Wolf/Lucroy things. The players might have a preference than Roenicke is willing to accommodate (and thus we hear about it), but I don’t think they’d mutiny or something if he refused.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
well i didn't say he "refused" but i did say
he is “apparently unwilling” which i admit was too strong of language. the point being, he doesn’t want to the hit there and doesn’t hit well there so now Roenicke has moved Weeks. i’m not saying that won’t work, it may, Weeks may do very well in the 5th spot and Hart may be as effective as Weeks at the top but it remains to be seen.
That conversation probably went like this:
RRR: Corey, will you ever tell me what that face is doing on your arm?
CH: Move me out of the 5th spot, and maybe we can work something out.
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where did that quote come from?
no one said Hart “refuses” to bat 5th. But according to BS/BA Hart himself has said he doesn’t like to bat 5th and according to Todd Rosiak of the Journal Sentinel (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/125693718.html) he does struggle in the spot.
I don't think DM is pursuing Beltran
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jul 21, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is there a chance he's discussing Beltran, simply to drive the value up?
Most of DMs trades are never that public before they are made, there’s a little too much information known about this if Buster is getting these quotes. There would be a lot of motivation for the Mets to overstate any Brewers interest as well.
Get a ife broseph
#TrampPutsOnTheTinfoilHat
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by Rubie Q on Jul 21, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Or Olney is speculating on something he has very little info to base it on.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
he would never!
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by sowingwildoats on Jul 21, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be Cafardo territory
Buster wouldn’t stoop that low
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Olney isn't passing it off as speculation
Cafardo usually uses terms like could and might that signify that he’s speculating, and other run with it and say it’s based on fact…
My guess is that Olney talked to a Brewers scout who said they were looking at Beltran. Olney asked if hte Brewers were interested, and the scout said something like, ‘if we can get him with prospects, we’ll do it. Not like we’d be losing much, since we don’t have much to lose in the first place..’
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Wearing the tin foil hat that Rubie just gave me...
I’d guess its coming from the Mets organization
Get a ife broseph
Heard this: Brewers look for upgrade at 1B and LF.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
by SRB on Jul 21, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
How the hell do they intend to upgrade at 1B?
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by Yar Nivek on Jul 21, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Oh, I see, you're insulting Buster. Disregard.
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Rec'd
because I think if we turn this green, it will make people think that there was some sort of 2nd level of sarcasm here that they didn’t get, and they’ll blindly rec it also just to pretend they get the joke.
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by tcyoung on Jul 21, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd
And hoping yours turns green, too, because we have to go deeper. Third. Level. Sarcasm.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 21, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I hate myself for typing this, but...
TWSS
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"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
by MrLeam on Jul 21, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I think its a jump to say this is marks doing.
He watches this team and probably has less knowledge of the actual trade market. If anything I would think after watching his money go to waste on our ss situation he’d be trying to pull strings on a trade for infield help.
by uwbadgers on Jul 21, 2011 11:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Beltran
makes no sense at all. He cant play CF anymore and with Hart and Braun as our corner outfielders we desperately need good defense in CF which is what we have with Morgan and Carroll as well vs LHP. Not only do I now want Beltran I dont want to give up any of our top prospects in any rental deal. We should be trying to get a SS like Jamey Carroll or Furcal for low rated prospects.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jul 21, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
i actually agree
i’ll be pretty upset if we trade anything substantial for beltran when we still need infielders.
by pauldietrich on Jul 21, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
How banged up is Braun?
If the team thinks his nagging injuries could lead to a decent amount of missed games I sure as hell hope they’re going hard for Beltran.. This is an all in mudder f’ing season. Money and the weak prospects are no object.
I don't think it's that bad
It doesn’t seem to be affecting his hitting at least.
Probably won’t see him try to stretch any hits or steal any bases for a while, as well as not be able to cut-off any hits to the alley in left-center. He didn’t seem to have any problems after sliding for that fly ball near the foul line and throwing out the runner at home last night.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
what did you guys think about pulling Narveson in the 8th?
I don’t fault RR for wanting to try out his new K-Rod/Ax combo especially since neither have pitched in a couple days, but Narveson was at only 87 pitches and wasn’t really allowing any baserunners – couldn’t they have just left him in until he started walking guys/giving up hard hit balls? Or is this just another manifestation of RR’s dumb “bullpen roles”?
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
I dont think so
History shows that if you give batters enough looks at Narveson, they eventually catch on, and in spades.
Wasnt a bad move at all. If not for the Fielder play, KRod gets out of that inning clean.
by backtocali on Jul 21, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually agree with this.
Ugh, Shortstop
by theBrouhaha on Jul 21, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
im not saying Krod was a bad choice
just saying that Narveson still had the potential to go 8 easily and maybe could have even finished the game. obviously the bullpen hadn’t been used much in the last week. but you never know – we could play 6 straight 1-run games and really wish we had conserved him when we could.
is what you said backed up by anything? IIRC his problem was always the 1st inning. If he got out of that cleanly, he usually had a great start.
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
history shows that if you give batters enough looks at any starting pitcher, they'll eventually catch on.
Collmenter nonwithstanding, of course.
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by sowingwildoats on Jul 21, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I did enjoy RRR's backhanded compliment to NarvDog
when he said he wanted Narveson to go out on a high note … thereby implying that he thought a low note was coming if he left him in.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I agree too
Looks like RRR is learning from his previous Narv-dog mistakes, this is a good sign
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Pretty strange that there's some positive feelings for a bullpen move that clearly didn't work out
Not bad, but strange. It helps that the Brewers ultimately won.
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I think the fact that there's a reason for it
other than “he’s my eighth inning guy” is helping, too.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
It didn't work out
but I believe it was the right move. Like B2C said,
If not for the Fielder play, KRod gets out of that inning clean
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Jul 21, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
^This
Hitting on 19 sometimes work out. That doesnt make it right.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 21, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think it was a tough call but I can see going either way.
I think if you leave Narveson in, he’s got to be on a really short leash – one batter reaches base and he’s out of the game.
For your health!
I wanted to see him pitch the 8th, and then bring in KRod or Axford in the 9th.
That way you keep one of those guys fresh going into what could very well be 3 tight games over the weekend in SF..
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thats kinda what i was thinking
i’d bring in Krod if Narveson walked someone or gave up a hard hit ball
he was definitely “on” today and it seemed like he could have ‘gone the distance’
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
You always play for the now with your relievers
One blowout by your guys or 1 game with your SP going 6 IP, 4 ER and no run support from your team means you don’t need them. Throw them when you need them and rely on one of the other guys to step up in a situation where you would have to throw KRod out there for a 3rd consecutive day. One benefit of having such a beat up bullpen is that practically everyone has had at least some high leverage innings at some point.
Even a poor reliever giving up .400 OBP is going to have a 1-2-3 inning 20% of the time.
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You do not always play for the now with your relievers. The season is a marathon.
In this situation, Narveson still had a lot in the tank. I didn’t have a problem taking Narveson out, I just would have done it differently, since we had the oppurtunity to save him for another day.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
The ideal for me would have been leaving Narveson in for the eighth
And taking him out as soon as someone got on base. But tough to second guess either way.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 21, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, this is me too.
I can see the case for leaving Narveson in (having a great game, low pitch count), but if he’d been left in and gotten into trouble we’d all be asking why the Brewers acquired K-Rod if they weren’t going to use him.
It’d be different if K-Rod was pitching in his third straight game or something, but since he was rested I don’t think either choice was necessarily wrong.
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by Kyle Lobner on Jul 21, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Sucks seeing Gomez go down.
I love watching this guy play. Sometimes his bat is frustrating, but he goes all out every play. Hopefully he’ll be ready to go for 2012, and maybe even October this year.
makes you wonder if that was his last game for the brewers though...
maybe they’ll be happy with the Mo/Go platoon next year again, i dunno, but how many years do you keep trotting him out there waiting for him to come around?
We don't have to
He’s a valuable 4th OF option as is
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not saying he's not valuable, but also depends on price attached for that
plus, if they downgrade the offense at 1B, they may look for more offense out of that position (and it’s backups). i love watching him play, but just wondering how long of a leash he has before he ends up as part of a trade, etc
To be honest
I’m not convinced the Brewers are waiting for more production out of Gomez, I feel that they kinda know what they have with him and that’s why he’s not starting. I think because his bat is so bad he could be kept cheaply while also pursuing more options if they become available.
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$ becomes a factor tho...
Gomez is already making 1.5M this year, compared to 800K for Kotsay and 470K for Morgan, so that could be too rich for a backup if they want to spend the money elsewhere, or get a better overall backup for that money that can hit better…
exactly
so it could very well be 2M or more for a 4th OF that doesnt hit on a small market team, which could be too much for DM’s taste.
I'd be surprised if he gets a significant raise.
Maybe $1.75mm for next season.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 21, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You think it's that little?
I’m probably comparing apples and oranges, but didn’t Weeks basically get a 2.5x bump in salary after his 2008 season (.234/.342/.398)?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
How about elite defensive OFs?
Weeks wasn’t hitting that well before 2009 either. He was getting on base, but his career BA was in the .230s after the 2008 season. I’m not suggesting that he’s going to get a 2.5x bump in salary next season, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get $2M+.
I think Supertramp might have something about him being a part-time player though. Any comparables for Gomez out there?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I'd be very surprised to see him get more than 2 mil
Regardless of elite defense, that bat with that playing time keeps prices very low.
Playing time matters
Weeks had 560 PAs the year before he hit arbitration, 506 the year before that. Gomez will have 233 this year, and has been a part-time player in 2009 and 2010.
Get a ife broseph
It is kind of interesting to see someone put effort into something they committed to...
:)
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Jul 21, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
His clavicle totally Kittenmittons'd out on him, though.
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by tcyoung on Jul 21, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha I was thinking the same thing
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 21, 2011 1:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If the Brewers made the playoffs
And he came back in October, they could put him on the active roster, right? He wouldn’t have to be on the roster in September?
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 21, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's how the DL rules work, but I'm not sure.
by Archibaldcrane on Jul 21, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
from Wikipedia
To be eligible for a team’s playoff roster a player must be on any of the following: (a) the 25 man active roster, (b) the disabled list, © the bereavement list, or (d) the suspended list as of August 31 at midnight[citation needed]. The only exception is that a player on the 60-day disabled list may be replaced by another player from the team’s 40-man roster (as of August 31) who plays the same position (i.e. position player for position player, or pitcher for pitcher), with the approval of the commissioner of baseball.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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The 60-day DL exemption
could come into play when choosing between Carroll and Gomez come playoff time. I don’t think the Brewers really have need of a 40-man roster spot right now so Gomez will probably be on the 15-day DL until they do need the roster spot.
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somewhere here has to have the complete answer...
i thought you have to be on the active roster to play in postseason but thats purely from my memory, which isn’t known for it’s aptitude
While the rule could have change since then
I would think that it would be just like Gallardo in 2008. He only started 1 or two games at the end of September, so I would think that he was on the DL as of Aug. 31, but he was still able to start in the playoffs.
That made me giggle
“Hey Doc, smell this.”
Heh.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Jul 21, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Easy solution:
have people stop pulling on it, you’ll stop tooting.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Forearm tattoo?
I thought for a second it was an article about Corey Hart.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Good question
Miller is already at 106 IP this year, was 104 IP last year. At 20 years old, you have to wonder how much they are going to push him.
Get a ife broseph
braddock
drug related? behavior? wonder what’s up.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
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by Charlie Marlow on Jul 21, 2011 1:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I've been wondering about the possibility of drug problems
with him for a while now.
by Archibaldcrane on Jul 21, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but they were fairly up-front about that with Jeffress
As much as they could be, at least. But that was less discipline issues than “you do realize there’s a random drug test for pot in MiLB, right?”
if he failed a test they would talk about it
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
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by Charlie Marlow on Jul 21, 2011 4:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's what we do!
I’m betting on sexual addiction and repeated drug overdoses leading to him consistently being 5-10 minutes late for practices which is completely unacceptable.
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my money is on barbituates
in honor of Betty Ford
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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I'm going with a Law & Order addiction.
If there’s an episode on TV, he can’t resist watching the whole thing. Even the spinoffs.
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Mine is addicted to Dateline and 48 hours
I’ve gotten so good at calling who-dun-it within the first 10 minutes of a 20/20 mystery it’s scary.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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I know who did it!

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by Yar Nivek on Jul 21, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aren't they usually interviewing the culprit in prison in the first few minutes?
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
sometimes
all I know is that if I’m ever slain in an interesting way, I want Keith Morrison to do my Dateline story
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Jul 21, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I'm ever slain in an interesting way
I want Robert Stack resurrected from the grave to host an Unsolved Mysteries story on it, and then personally hunt down the killer.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
I'd rather be resurrected from my own grave to track down the killer.
I’d wear a cool leather trenchcoat with black & white face paint. Very Goth.
Except that if resurrected, I’d of course have to eat the killer’s BRAAAAAAINS.
On Dollhouse, a woman is brought back to life in Eliza Dushku's body to solve her own murder.
That’s pretty B.A.
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Then you understand how detrimental it can be to all other aspects of life.
I mean, it would explain the sleeping disorder for sure.
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I was watching the BBC channel recently
and noticed that there is a Law & Order UK.
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Had some vague knowledge of that, but never really seen it
Is there anything decent on your BBC channel?
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BBC America?
It’s so-so. Regular primetime lineup seems to be Top Gear, Dr. Who, Star Trek TNG and a movie (usually American).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Don't you just hate it
when you type the word “the” in sentences by mistake?
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by MrLeam on Jul 21, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't know they have a US version
I’m guessing you’re not a fan…
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It used to be pretty good.
Now, half the programming isn’t even British for some reason.
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Right
And even the UK programming is repetitive… they might as well call it the Top Gear channel.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Do they have any comedy stuff from over here on it?
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Not that I've seen recently.
I wish they would just stream one of the actual BBC channels over here.
I have to watch Apprentice UK illegally online now!
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nope
and there is so much good Coogan stuff out there for us colonists to experience.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Coogan's great
But hasn’t done much in a while. Saxondale was pretty good but not half as good as Alan Partridge. He needs to stop doing crap film roles…
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like the Trip and Hamlet 2?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Wasn't even aware of those
I was thinking Around the World in 80 days and Percy Jackson. He’s just one of those guys that I think will always be awful in film…
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I feel the same way about anyone from the cast of Friends
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Nonsense
If you’ve got a romatic comedy… Jennifer Aniston is you gal. :)
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can you name a rom-com worth watching in which Aniston wasn't carried by Vince Vaughn?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Fixed
can you name a rom-com worth watching in which Aniston wasn’t carried by Vince Vaughn?
You’re going soft now you’re married…
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When Harry Met Sally
It at least deserves the rating of “worth watching”.
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Along Came Polly?
Not being serious… just pointing out the fact that she’s basically only in rom-coms.
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Ever watch any Chris Morris?
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he hasn't made much of a splash over here
you’re lucky I can name Coogan
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Was about to mention that
The general feeling over here was that it was slightly dissappointing given Morris directed it. He’s a bit of a legend in comedy circles here – if you can get to watch Brasseye or The Day Today (which has the initial TV appearances of Alan Partridge) you should definitely not turn it down…
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A few shows...
Come Fly with Me, The Graham Norton Show and The Inbetweeners.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I quite like the Inbetweeners
There’s a film out pretty soon which looks OK but the series were very good. Very much a cult thing over here, but has picked up a few awards too. Come Fly with Me didn’t get great reviews (and a few accusations of racism) and not a fan of Graham Norton. Actually, that’s not quite true, there’s the odd thing he says that’s quite funny and I think he does a pretty good job of what he does…
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I guess its a bit odd at the moment
About 20 years ago when stuff like Blackadder was coming out there was a general feeling that British comedy was better than anything coming out of the States. Now the general feeling is that we’re light years behind…
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Most British television is still lightyears ahead
I don’t know about the current state of British comedy in general, anything Ricky Gervais is way better than anything over here though (imo) and I think he has a new show coming out soon on BBC2
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You honestly think so?
Most critics over here spend their whole time getting ludicrously excited about The Wire or Mad Men but only when they’re not reminiscing about Larry David or Seinfeld. And, to be honest, I can see their point…
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Oh, true
I was thinking of the mainstream networks/cable television over here (where Jerry Seinfeld has been reduced to doing “The Marriage Ref”). The Wire and most HBO shows are a different matter.
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flagged for knowing about The Marriage Ref
Ugh, Shortstop
Wait a second...
Wouldn’t you have to know about The Marriage Ref to flag someone for knowing about The Marriage Ref?
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 21, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jeez
When I was younger and well into hip-hop I’d read countless articles of big American stars going on about their love of Benny Hill and Phil Collins.
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It worked for Robin Williams.
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When has Robin Williams dressed up as a woman?
You’re probably thinking of Mrs Doubtfire, but we all know that was an accurate autobiographical depiction of the early career of Scottish golfer Colin Montgomerie…
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I'm glad to have met you sir.
Because now I know that I am not the only person whose brain is over-filled with random trivia and can only apply said trivia in a highly sarcastic manner.
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Can't go too far wrong with Eddie Izzard...
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OOH!!! OOH!!! Another Good One!!!
I think he was enhanced with some form of super powers resulting from his scorpion sting from this past spring. He’s growing some form of tail, and has yet to figure out how to handle it.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Jul 21, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stan Lee originally planned on creating "Scorpion-Man" but decided the tail was too much of a hassle to draw.
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Someone's missing ComicCon!
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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S. Lee...
I wonder what you aren’t telling us about your true identity.
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by Yar Nivek on Jul 21, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alternatively
He could be the 41st best stand-up ever….
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My sources
suggest that his move to the inactive list at Nashville is due to what locals have referred to as “downright ignorant and insulting comments”. They state they were prepared to ignore his remark that Johnny Cash was over-rated and that Merle Haggard couldn’t even sing properly, but when he quipped that the only people who listen to country music are “in-bred hicks with the musical understanding of someone with less musical understanding than someone who doesn’t understand music at all” they had to act…
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by MrLeam on Jul 21, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
why not?
I am always curious when something goes awry with a very talented player on my favorite team.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jul 21, 2011 4:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Because you know that no one here has any idea
Speculating alcoholism or drug use without one bit of evidence is a little weird to me.
Its not a ton different than Weeks being out of the lineup tonight and someone posting “What’s up with him, is he addicted to heroin?”
Get a ife broseph
Wait, Rickie is addicted to heroin?!
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by SRB on Jul 21, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you think its a behavior thing, then.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jul 21, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
And the team isn't usually tight lipped like this
I guess its something you’re vehemently opposed to. I think its interesting.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jul 21, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
He being Braddock
That got lost in translation while logging in
by Taterwithbacon on Jul 21, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That would make more sense than the drug thing considering he probably would have been busted and suspended by now for failing a drug test
For your health!
No drug tests (for recreational drugs) in the majors
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Not true
According to Wiki…
Testing for drugs of abuse is not administered randomly, but on a basis of reasonable cause. If one of the HPAC panel members has evidence that a player has used, possessed, or sold banned substances in the last 12 months, they call a conference and discuss the evidence with the other members. If a majority vote to test the suspected player is reached then testing will take place no more than 48 hours later.
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Yeah, I think marijuana might be excluded, not harder drugs though.
Isn’t that why Ron Washington tested positive for cocaine a few years ago, or whatever?
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Nope... Mary Jane included
Drugs of abuse
Cocaine
LSD
Marijuana
Opiates (e.g., heroin, codeine, morphine)
MDMA ("Ecstasy")
GHB
Phencyclidine ("PCP")
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Oh, really?
What was all that talk re: Jeffress about then? Maybe he could still test positive and get suspended, he just wouldn’t get a lifetime ban like he would have in the minors.
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I thought that was the reason he was added to the 40-man.
So he wouldn’t get a lifetime ban.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
If weed is on the list
they should add 4 Loko, Red Bull and vodkas, and shots of tequila. Now that’s abuse.
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Are you trying to get Brett Lawrie a lifetime ban?
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by SRB on Jul 21, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now the D-Backs need a SS
The trade market got a little more crowded. DM might be regretting having not found someone yet.
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D-Backs dropped Branyan earlier this year.
And they’re the ones we got Wilson from to start with.
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I feel terrible about this, but
After the initial ‘Oh crap’ of that Drew injury last night, the first thing I thought was exactly that.
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Orlando Hudson
has just done himself a bad looking injury in the Pads-Marlins game. Not sure what it is yet, he’d getting stretchered off after colliding into a padded wall but appears to have movement in his arms so perhaps not too major…
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I was in a bar, and the entire place made one collective "oooooooeeeewwwwwww..." when they showed the replay
I’ve never heard that noise in such unison. It was beautiful.
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NY Daily News caught K-Rod's one-finger salute from last night.
I’m not going to post the actual link because I don’t know if it’s appropriate to link to an article with a picture like that, but if you want to find it, check the NY Daily News website, the baseball section.
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Here's
The link. I love how they actually cited MLB.com message boards as a source.
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And Weaver out-duels Wilson for the 1 - 0 Halo victory!
That brings the Angels’ record to…. 53 – 46. Here’s hoping the Crew can keep setting the pace by improving to 54 – 46 this evening.












































