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Whoa! Brewers actually beat Ryan Dempster 3-2!

W: Chris Narveson (7-6)
L: Ryan Dempster (7-8)
S: John Axford (28)

HR: Ramirez (19)

MVP: Kameron Loe (+.339)
LVP: Chris Narveson (-.151)

Win Expectancy Graph

If you missed the first inning of this game, you missed a whole lot. And by "a whole lot," I mean all of the scoring.

It looked like it was going to be a slugfest from the start, as Aramis Ramirez gave the Cubs an early lead with a 2-run homer of starter Chris Narveson.

But their lead didn't last long. The Crew fired back with three runs in the bottom of the first with a bloop RBI double from Ryan Braun and a 2-RBI triple by Casey McGehee. The Brewers collected four hits in that inning off Ryan Dempster, matching the number of hits they collected against Dempster in their last start against him in May.

Things got a little dicey (and by "a little," I mean very) in the sixth inning for Narveson. He loaded the bases with a single, double and a walk before recording an out. Ron Roenicke made the curious decision to bring in Kameron Loe. But Loe did his best Houdini impression and managed to get out of the inning with two ground balls, including a double play.

LaTroy Hawkins, Francisco Rodriguez, and John Axford finished off the game to secure the win. Axford's save, which was a little more exciting thanks to a Rickie weeks error, was his 25th save in a row. The feat ties him with Doug Jones for the franchise record for consecutive saves. 

The offensive star of the night was Ryan Braun, who was the only Brewer to collect more than one hit. And he collected three.

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Correction

Casey’s RBI hit was a triple.

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by molitorfan on Jul 26, 2011 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

The best part was when they won.

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by Yar Nivek on Jul 26, 2011 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, Tom.

You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.

You know what folks? #Brewers are winning 3-2 going to the ninth but the offense still stinks for the most part. Nothing since 1st inning.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 26, 2011 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

The only thing worse than the offense is the local paper's beat writer.

Perhaps there’s a snake in his boot.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 27, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Somebody poisoned the watering hole!

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by Yar Nivek on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

We can only hope it's poisonous.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Jul 27, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Know who else had no offense after the 1st, Tom?

The Cubs. Why not give the pitching some credit, rather than continue being a miserable sack of crap.

The Brewers at Miller Park: "ALL WE DO IS WIN, WIN, WIN NO MATTER WHAT"

The Brewers on the road: "all we do is lose, lose lose, but sometimes not"

by Tepo6688 on Jul 27, 2011 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I watched nearly the entire game

I’m glad they won. My wife (a Chicago native) stomped out of the room after Loe got out of the bases loaded jam.

I’m not sure why it’s curious to bring in Loe. He’s a groundball pitcher and probably the best bet of anyone in the bullpen to get a double play ball. He ended up getting two.

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by ecocd on Jul 26, 2011 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I felt how you did

but I’m assuming she’s referring to the high leverage situation

I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful

by Michael M on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm basically referring to his general inconsistency.

You never know when good Loe or bad Loe will show up.

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on Jul 26, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's incredible that he didn't allow any runs there without striking anyone out. Any hit, a fly ball, and most ground balls score the run.

I would have brought in KRod and his KRate and gone for a strikeout to give you a little bit of breathing room. But credit to Loe, he got the job done.

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by tcyoung on Jul 26, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Closers very rarely inherit runners

It was basically Loe’s job all of last year not to allow inherited runners score, right? I don’t think KRod would’ve been the right call in that situation even with his extremely high K-rate. I’m guessing I’m in the minority on this, but I think Loe was the best pitcher available to handle that situation.

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by ecocd on Jul 26, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is, virtually any contact scores that runner from 3rd.

If I’m managing there, the only way I see getting out of that situation is a strikeout followed by either another strikeout, or a double play. I have to figure my best chances are with KRod there.

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by tcyoung on Jul 26, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Virtually any contact?

Short fly out, infield-fly, sharp grounder, line out are always ways a runner doesn’t score from 3rd base. Yes, the runner usually scores (86% of the time from 1977-1992), but it’s by no means a guarantee.

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by ecocd on Jul 27, 2011 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perfect time to use Loe

Everyone is all hung up on whether to use Loe in high leverage situations or not and whatever, but I thought that was the absolute PERFECT time to use Kameron Loe. If there’s one really good reason to have a sinkerballer in the bullpen, it’s for situations like that where you need to get groundballs. I totally disagree that “most ground balls score the run” – when the infield is pulled in and you have a force at home, it’s actually not that difficult to get the runner at home on the force play. Any reasonably hard grounder at any of the infielders should result in an out at home there. Now, getting out of the inning with NO runs is still pretty unlikely, but you’re much more likely to get groundballs to force the runner at home or get a double play (like the second play) than you are to hope for 2 K’s and another out – remember that these are major league hitters who KNOW that they just need to put the ball in play at that point. Even K-Rod may have a tough time getting two straight K’s consistently in that situation.

If you’re not gonna use Loe in a situation where you absolutely need groundballs (either for the force at home or a double-play to try and get out of the inning with just 1 run), then why not just cut him loose? If you’re only gonna use him for blowouts and other low leverage situations, you’re just wasting a roster spot. Getting groundballs is his specialty, and I’m glad that Roenicke used him exactly the way he should have last night.

It’s even more telling because the first batter was Soriano, who only hits between 29 -33% GBs, which puts him somewhere in the bottom 10-25% of all ML hittersin GB rate.

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I didn’t think the Loe call was bad at all. In fact, I think it was a perfect time to bring him in… all righties coming to the plate, and they needed ground balls.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Loe....

Is no longer RR’s 8th inning guy, but is now RR’s high leverage guy.

In all seriousness though, with 3 RHers coming up and needing a ground ball, it was as good a time as any to put him in.

by Flharfh on Jul 26, 2011 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

The 3 RHB is key

He shouldn’t ever face a LHB in a high leverage situation.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jul 26, 2011 11:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here's to hoping one of these mornings we all wake up to a KRod-esque morning

Where Melvin has magically found a way to bring Reyes to Milwaukee. Sweet dreams, all.

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by ecocd on Jul 26, 2011 11:02 PM CDT reply actions  

So for the moment I do not hate Loe as much as I did when I woke up this morning

Amazing that they got out of that inning and the Pirates are burning up their bull pen tonight in the Atlanta heat top of the 15th as I write this woot :)

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by WSB Chris on Jul 26, 2011 11:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Loe's been unlucky this year if you believe in FIP and xFIP

Add that to the fact that he wasn’t scheduled to go against any left handed hitters and it seems like a perfectly reasonable choice to me.

by hibachi777 on Jul 26, 2011 11:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I was at the game

And was mad casey didn’t step on third and go for the tag at home on the first batter loe faced. He had plenty of time to get the tag down. That has to be the play there right?

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Jul 26, 2011 11:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably

Though I was fine with him taking the sure thing in that situation

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jul 26, 2011 11:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Me too

I’d think making that throw without hitting the runner isn’t all that easy. Plus then Lucroy has to realize he has to make the tag instead of touching the base…I could see us screwing that up.

Of course, I’m just saying that because it worked. :)

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by roguejim on Jul 27, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

The way the Brewers have played defense this season, I’ll take one out and no runs on that play all day long

by Flharfh on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well....

The problem with the comment

making that throw without hitting the runner isn’t all that easy
is that Casey was already right at the base when he threw it, meaning that he had already made his job harder by putting himself at a bad angle for the throw. Everything turned out OK because Loe got Barney to ground right at McGehee next for a double play, but that doesn’t change that it was a bad decision by McGehee. I’ll take the results, but it’s just another example of McGehee making terrible decisions with the ball on defense (remember Opening Day?).

The right play on that ball is one of three options, which I’ll list in order of my preference (best to worst):

1) Since he was nearly on the base, step on third (pushing off to the infield side to get a better angle for the throw) and then throw home while yelling “Tag” so that Lucroy knows to go for the tag. There was plenty of time to do this and make an easy tag (it was Soto running home).
2) Immediately after fielding the ball, throw home for the force so Lucroy can try for a 5-2-3 double play. Probably was enough time for this as well.
3) Since he fielded the ball near third, step on the base and throw to second and try for a 5-4-3 TRIPLE play. This is the riskiest play to make, but the highest reward (ie, end the inning instead of leaving 2 outs and a runner on 2nd or 3rd). May not have had time for this one since on the replay it looked like Pena was pretty close to 2nd at the time.

Nowhere on this list is there an option that says “Waste time running to the base, getting right in the baseline behind the runner, jump over the base (from the wrong foot) without touching it, and throw home over the shoulder of the runner, knowing that you have wasted enough time and confused Lucroy by running to the base so there is no chance of a 5-2-3 double play.”

As I said, the Crew got lucky, but Casey’s throw could VERY easily have hit off of Soto’s shoulder and you would have had Soto and Byrd score and have runners on 2B and 3B with no outs. There was not a single part of McGehee’s decision-making on that play that was right. Thankfully, he executed the PHYSICAL part of that play and the next one perfectly, so it’s just a little point of contention this morning and not a full-out bitch fest.

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't find a replay of that play

but wasn’t the ball hit to McGehee’s right? I thought the play caused him to go to his right. I don’t recall thinking when the play happened that he “wasted time running to the base”, but I may not be remembering it correctly.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Replay

I’d have to see a replay to see exactly how things ended up, but you’re right. The ball was hit to McGehee’s right, so his momentum took him towards the base. However, I seem to recall he took about 2-3 extra steps to the base AFTER fielding the ball that he wouldn’t have needed to if he was going to throw home for the force out. Those extra steps gave him a worse throwing angle AND made it unclear to Lucroy if he needed to tag Soto or not.

Of course, my memory is not 100% perfect, so if you find a replay, post a link and I might be proved wrong.

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I found it

Link

It looks like he took 1-2 steps while he was getting the ball out of his glove.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

After watching the replay

I think he had time to step on the bag and throw. It would have been a half a step more.

It looks like he gives Lucroy the “my bad” motion after.

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by thefreewheelin76 on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

But he also would’ve needed to look down (maybe not directly, but at least glance down) to make sure that he was going to step on the bag, then make a throw off the bag.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

After watching the replay, I’ll amend my statement to 2 steps, not 2-3. I still feel that McGehee got lucky – he jumped over the bag, off the wrong foot, to get the throw over Soto. If he wants to go home for the force, you step left or right to get an angle (he had plenty of time). Otherwise, you step on the base and go for one of the other options.

It worked out, but it’s the wrong mental decision. Just my opinion, of course.

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that going to his left would've given him a better angle for the throw

but don’t forget, this is McGehee we’re talking about here. He’s not exactly quick-footed. His momentum took him to his right so if he wanted to go to his left, it would’ve taken much more effort (and probably time).

I think he took the steps forward to get some momentum on the ball, but avoiding 3B caused him to make the throw off-balance.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also

I think he took one extra step because he didn’t the ball out of his glove right away.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

SIgh of relief

Also, watching the replay made me breathe a big sigh of relief. On the view from behind McGehee towards the end of the clip, look how close to being in the dirt that ball was. Could’ve easily been in the dirt and scooted away from Lucroy, leaving (at best), 1 run in, no outs, and the bases loaded.

Yay for a good Crew win!

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think that’s why McGehee apologized to Lucroy after the play. Granted, it was a good throw considering he threw it off-balance.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

From section 212

It looked like Casey had to try and avoid the bag to keep the force on at home. I thought he made the choice (perhaps #2 in JL’s scenarios) to keep the force on at home. From that angle he had to avoid hitting the runner with the throw anyway.

It all worked out, so it may be a moo point, but 2 outs with runners on first and second is a much lower leverage situation to put Loe in than bases loaded with one out.

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Jul 27, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two outs with runners on first and second

would’ve meant that McGehee would’ve had to step on 3B (forcing him to look down) and make a clean throw to home. Lucroy then would’ve had to make the tag.

Considering what happened in the first game of the season when McGehee tried to execute a DP, I think he made the right call.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Different situation, though

The Opening Day play was as much an execution issue as anything (he didn’t make SURE he made the tag on the lead runner, which is the most important thing in THAT scenario).

Here, I’m not questioning his execution, just that he should have made a different decision. The throw beats Soto home by at least 15 feet, so there was time to make a better play than an off-balanced throw jumping over the base where only 1 out is really possible (due to the confusion about force-out or tag).

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Go back to the first game of the season

McGehee went to tag Phillips and ended up not getting anyone out.

He made the right choice by going for the force out on the lead runner. If he decides to step on the base, he would have to look down before making the throw then make a good throw to Lucroy (off 3B) so he can apply the tag… more chances of something going wrong.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pirates just lost in the 19th inning.

About the best possible outcome for that game.

by Noah Jarosh on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Watched it on MLB.tv

An epic game…aside from the terrible home plate call to end the game.

by Flharfh on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

*Whistle

The Brewers at Miller Park: "ALL WE DO IS WIN, WIN, WIN NO MATTER WHAT"

The Brewers on the road: "all we do is lose, lose lose, but sometimes not"

by Tepo6688 on Jul 27, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

That had to be one of the worst calls all year.

If I was a Pirates fan, I’d be P.O.ed. Thankfully I’m not a Pirates fan.

by Brew Angel on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You didn't like Johnny Depp?

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by Yar Nivek on Jul 27, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I was a Pirates fan

up til 2 a.m. watching that game in the stadium, I’d be running on the field and knocking that umpire out.

by Archibaldcrane on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Pirates stink but are inexplicably floating around first place, Pirates fans should be happy in the grand scheme of things.

That “Let’s go Pirates!” girl was pretty awesome though.

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by SRB on Jul 27, 2011 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

honestly

after watching that play about 30 times, I’m not convinced doumit’s glove tagged the runners leg

by dtmeyers on Jul 27, 2011 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

It actually is difficult to tell

And even though people are posting freeze frames that appear to clearly show a tag, it’s almost impossible to tell if there was actually contact from a still.

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by SRB on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing is

umpires generally make calls based on action before the play. A running trying to steal a base is going to be called out if the ball beats him there and the tag is close regardless of whether the tag is made. Umpiring, as I’ve come to resignedly accept, is about expectation more than empirical evidence. The expectation there is that the catcher makes the tag and regardless of whether he may have missed the runner by 1 millimeter, the baserunner is out.

The precedent is there for a reason. The catcher could’ve blocked more of the plate (not all of the plate or he couldn’t receive the throw) and risked injury to the runner and the catcher. By making the call on expectation, the umpire is saving everyone from a dangerous situation. Now teams are going to have to go back to putting their players at risk at the plate and that’s a loss for everyone, not just the Pirates.

He should be removed from the series right now, because there’s going to be little to no respect for his umpiring ability by either team. His effectiveness on the diamond is seriously impaired. You don’t have to suspend the guy since he very well may have been right, but he can’t be in Atlanta tonight.

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by ecocd on Jul 27, 2011 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good thing the game wasn't in Pittsburgh

That would be an ugly scene

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by SAE on Jul 27, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't buy that.

While what you say is true most of the time, umpires do still call runners safe if it looks like the defender missed the tag. Doumit didn’t have to block the plate more… he could’ve applied the tag higher up on the body.

I’m confused now on how you want the umpiring to go… don’t you want the umpires to get the call right? If there was instant replay, I doubt they would’ve overturned that call since it’s not conclusive that the tag was applied. If there was a robot umpire calling the play, he would’ve been called safe if Doumit missed the tag… even though the ball got there first.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the ball beats him by 3 feet

Shouldn’t you be absolutely sure he missed the tag? Meals admitted after the game he wasn’t sure.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jul 27, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely sure

I think it doesn’t matter when the ball gets there, even if it beats the runner by 90 feet. The ump should make the call based on their best assessment of what happened. You’re seldom “absolutely sure” whether the tag was made or not. I want my umps to make the call they think is right at the time, even if they’re not 100% sure. That’s just the way it works.

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

What I'd like

I’d like the Brewers to win the World Series every year, but stupid reality and human error keeps screwing that up too!

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

And I think he made the right call.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was tired and wanted to go home!

Definitely the right call.

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by schmita91 on Jul 27, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meals doesn't.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Jul 27, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I find it hilarious that people are even bothering to try to argue this. The umpire himself says he thinks he got the call wrong.

Some people just love to argue I guess.

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by menchkins on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

In that situation? A 19 inning game? No way do you EVER call that guy safe.

Plus, he definitely tagged him. I’ve seen a bout 6 zillion angles of it and tons of freeze frames. He tagged him.

For your health!

by menchkins on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said that after he saw the replay multiple times.

He didn’t have that luxury when he play happened.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

If you’re going to call him out there, you need to be able to defend that call post-game. He wasn’t able to, at all.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jul 27, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Safe?

So you don’t need to be absolutely sure to call him out (I assume you mixed it up – he called him safe), but you need to be absolutely sure to call him safe? I think we just disagree on the fundamentals of that.

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he called him out

Do you think he could have defended that call post game?

I do.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jul 27, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he would've had to.

Like you said, the ball beat the runner to the plate by several feet. I don’t think anyone questions that play… except maybe Lugo, but he appeared to also think he was out.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny that Lugo thought he was out

I don’t actually really care, other than that I’m glad the Pirates lost.

Lots of people seem to think he was out, including Lugo – to each his own.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jul 27, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Defending the call

Who cares? If he called him out, he could have defended the call, but it still wouldn’t change the call. I really couldn’t care less if you can defend a call better or not.

If he called him out but the video clearly showed that the tag was missed, I don’t care if people think it’s a more “defensible” call – it’s still just as wrong. If the video showed the tag was missed, the Braves would be in just as much of an uproar as the Pirates are now.

He made a judgment call on a close play he got to see once at full-speed. He may have got it wrong, but it was not egregious and he was not out of position or anything. I have no problem with it.

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course I'd like the umpires to make the correct call

but that’s not how it works. The strike zone is wholly subjective which also drives me nuts, but that’s the way MLB wants it and I don’t get a vote. If they choose to call plays as they’re supposed to happen rather than as they actually happen and everyone knows that’s how it works, then so be it.

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by ecocd on Jul 27, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doumit's glove definitely di not touch the runner

but McKenry’s probably did.

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by Tepo6688 on Jul 27, 2011 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've been watching this like the Zapruder film and it's still hard to tell.

On the one hand, I honestly think it looks like the catcher swiped at him but missed the tag. On the other hand, Lugo’s pant leg clearly moves. But was that because of an actual tag or because of the slide/wind from the missed tag?

But I am an anti-Kerwinite, so maybe I’m biased.

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by SRB on Jul 27, 2011 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh, Dave Kerwin

he would have made the tag, for sure

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by trippingandy on Jul 27, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

This

And if you watch the play on MLB’s site, you can see it from multiple angles. Still looks like he might have missed the tag.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

As David Schoenfield on ESPN.com points out

It’s still not as bad as Jim Joyce ruining Armando Galarraga’s perfect game. That was probably a worse call. They were both inexcusably bad, however.

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by ecocd on Jul 27, 2011 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this one is worse.

This one decided the game, after all.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Jul 27, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful

by Michael M on Jul 27, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

That call was worse because it was indisputable on review.

Unless the runner was bending the laws of physics or something, he clearly wasn’t touching the plate.

The tag last night could still go either way even in hindsight.

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by SRB on Jul 27, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong call, but not a terrible one

The ump missed the call (there is photo evidence to prove this), but it’s not an inexusable call by any means. The view you get in the GIF above is about 120 degrees rotation from where the ump was standing. From his position (and he was in the correct position), it is much more difficult to see if the catcher actually hit the runner on the tag or not. As an ump, you’re looking to see the catcher’s glove deflect some if he makes that tag, and he just grazed him, so that’s not really that bad a call.

Instead of being furious at the ump, if I’m McKenry, I would be taking responsibility for making a showy swipe tag that is a risky tag in that situation. He had plenty of time to go over with both hands and make a sure tag there, and when you’re tied in the 19th inning, you NEED to make a sure tag. I put this one on the catcher not making the fundamentally sound play, and the ump missing a very tough call. (BTW, the ump admitted he may have missed it after the game, but that on the field he thought he missed the tag. That’s all you can ask for in an umpire.)

Also, no Pirate or Pirates fan should say that “that call decided the game” – when you’ve been playing 19 freakin innings and haven’t plated a run to win, you have no one to blame but yourselves!

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that's the worst call you've ever seen in your life...

I feel bad, cuz you must not have watched much baseball (or football or hockey or soccer or basketball or tennis or any sport with human referees/umpires). It was probably a missed call in a really big situation, but that is nowhere NEAR the worst call I’ve ever seen!

by JLHanke on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Name a worse one in baseball.

I can think of 1 that might be as bad or worse actually…. can you?

For your health!

by menchkins on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The other factor

Is that he had already tossed two Braves over arguments about iffy strike calls that went the Pirates’ way, and the Braves’ crowd had been booing him mercilessly for that for most of the 10 innings since then.

That kind of thing can have a bigger effect on umps than I think we’d like to admit, too.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 27, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Read Scorecasting and skip to the home-field advantage chapter

you’ll see your argument is legit. umpires suck.

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by schmita91 on Jul 27, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Never mind

Saw a really clear picture. That was a horrible call.

by brewbaybucks on Jul 27, 2011 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pictures can be deciving.

See also: Tony Plush flipping off all of San Francisco.

"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"

by SRB on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

deceiving*

"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"

by SRB on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Replay

Lugo was out by a mile. Everyone (including Lugo) knew it, except for the homeplate Umpire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahCqEJEg5U

Instant replay anyone?

by Flharfh on Jul 27, 2011 4:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Leadership and experience can be overrated

Especially in this case… Counsell has got to go! Seriously!

by Run4it on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

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