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Ron Roenicke's Post-Game Comments

It's hard to explain, I mean our starting pitchers for you know last week or maybe a little more than that - we've had trouble early. Sometimes that where you've got to get starters - I know all the good pitchers, everyone says you got to get them early, you can't let them get locked in. Right now we're getting behind early with most of our starters.

Considering what's going on with the team, how discouraging was it for Wolf to do that when you need a pick me up instead he takes you right out of the game.

You know, I know that's the way it appears, but I'm not putting this on "Wolfie." I mean, my gosh why can't we come out and score three, four runs in the first inning? I mean our offense should be as good as what we're playing, we've got a good offense. You know, we need to take it to somebody else you now just as much as they take it to us.

 

Follow the jump for thoughts on Zach Duke, what's going right and free-swinging.

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With that being said, are you happy with the play - I know guys are hitting home runs, but its like, are they taking enough pitches to set up that monster inning?

Well the taking pitches is always a question when you have a team - especially a power-hitting team. Most of the time, they don't walk a lot. That's just the way it is. They're out there to bash and a lot of times they come out swinging early. This team we're playing used to be that way. Now I'm seeing better at-bats from them. They're tough outs. Ideally, that's what you'd want your guys to do. You want them to have at-bats - you know "Braunie" and Prince do it, they take pitches, they get deep in counts, they give that pitcher a chance to make a mistake and those are good at-bats. Not everybody can do that. Some guys they do that, they get behind in the count and then they're struggling to put balls in play.

Duke was pretty sensational

The way he pitched today? I know I looked at numbers coming in and sometimes that gets a little discouraging, when you look at numbers and your offense doesn't swing the bat well. And that's what I'm saying about, you know, other teams have been getting us early, we need to come out sometimes and get them early. And we have a couple of games, I mean yesterday and the day before we did. But consistently we need to do that. Duke - I thought he kept the ball down real well, I thought his changeup was really good, he throws a nice little slider, but basically he kept the ball down well. It's tough when you've got a nice little run to your ball and you're staying on that low outside corner. He pitched a nice ballgame.

What's going right for the team right now?

Well I still think we're battling. I thought, actually, we played a pretty good game today. We got behind early. We did hit some balls hard at people, we made it interesting there late in the game so we were battling offensively. And I think we always do that, I think we're still, I don't see us giving up, I don't see us quitting - even when we're behind in games. I still see an offense that is still working hard to try to get back in a ball game.

How tough has it been for the team to keep its composure during this stretch?

It's been a battle. I mean, there's a lot of guys that are frustrated. There's a lot of staff members that are frustrated with what's going on and we need to stop it. We need to turn this thing back around again. You know, coming home, we play so well at home I thought we'd do it and these first couple of games got away from us. And we need to get that back . We need to play well these - we've got five games left, we need to play well these five games.

You mentioned its a power-hitting team, can you become a tough-out team? Outside of Braun and Fielder - throughout the season can you become that tough-out team?

Very difficult to do. I haven't seen a team that - if you've got a bunch of swingers on your team, I've never seen a team overhaul it and all of the sudden become patient hitters. That just doesn't happen.

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"Battling."

We’re doomed. :(

fka "warwick5s"

by DEUCE SLUICE on Jul 5, 2011 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm all for this rec' magic

because I care.

Dan Uggla did not respect Zack Greinke, Ryan Braun or Alex Gonzalez when he fouled off 5 of the 9 pitches in that first at-bat.

by Jess'HittheBall on Jul 6, 2011 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cheeseandcorn - I'm having similar thoughts regarding the Yuni-effect

It’s highly possible that Yuni is literally creating dissonance in the line-up. Right now, it is difficult because Braun is out, and he’s usually the stabilizer. Or he sort of cancels Yuni out because he’s often unaffected by the events before his at-bat.

Is it selfish to say the players need a narrower focus? Ryan nearly isolates himself during at-bats. It’s like “I need to put the ball in play, get on base.” And then he creates a whole new environment on the base-paths. I’d say he’s got tunnel-vision, but in a good way.

Betancourt might be the exact opposite… he wants to be rewarded.

I bring up Braunie, only because his absence has allowed me to see what these guys look like. With a Yuni-type (and I would have put Nieves in there when he was with the team), our hitters just fall into quicksand. All we can manage are the occasional homerun, and hope for an extra-base hit. Just sort of wait for things to happen. That automatic out via Betancourt, combined with the simple fact that hitters will get on base roughly 1/3 of the time (and you hope they sort of overlap so the pieces fall together) - means that we’re absolutely limited as to what we can do. I’m sure it’s gotten into players’ heads; maybe they’re shying away because there are two outs, “can I do this; or is it too risky with x-number of outs with so-and-so on first?”

Out of desperation – yeah, it would seem we’re swinging for the fences more over the past few games, and that players might even be trying to force the wrong kind of discipline. So the Yuni-type just pulls everyone into…the abyss! The bad kind of abyss…

Dan Uggla did not respect Zack Greinke, Ryan Braun or Alex Gonzalez when he fouled off 5 of the 9 pitches in that first at-bat.

by Jess'HittheBall on Jul 6, 2011 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Betancourt Rules

What if Yuni were around in the 1860’s. Surrounded by rules that were not only arbitrary and manufactured, but also subject to change… based on the whims or desires of owners closely following the motions of the Betancourt. Like, he’d run somewhere with a tape-measure, and league owners and officials would say… “perfect! Let’s add a 5th bag….right there!”

Baseball would become… Abyss-Baseball.

p.s. I love writing historical fiction, so doing baseball player time-travel stories is fun. Up ‘till now, I’ve only worked with Moyer, placing him in almost any historical setting I can think of. But Betancourt time-travel would at least be a creative way to vent(?)

Dan Uggla did not respect Zack Greinke, Ryan Braun or Alex Gonzalez when he fouled off 5 of the 9 pitches in that first at-bat.

by Jess'HittheBall on Jul 6, 2011 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

well depending on where he lived in the 1860's

He might have had real “owners” pre 1964 you have to take that into the equation when you write your alternative history and for that matter based on what we know really happen in baseball pre Jackie Robinson my guess is Yuni would not have been allowed on the field to help create Abyss-baseball ;)

"It's a joke. It's all a joke.

by WSB Chris on Jul 6, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

He would’ve only been allowed on the field to cut the grass.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 6, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

But he would be below replacement level at that too.

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by Yar Nivek on Jul 6, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way; who told Zach Duke to pitch again? I thought...

…Dave Kerwin destroyed his arm? And confidence? Roenicke is talking about Duke as though he’s been put under a spell. Zach Duke = Student of an Evil Wizard pretending it’s 2005 again.

Dan Uggla did not respect Zack Greinke, Ryan Braun or Alex Gonzalez when he fouled off 5 of the 9 pitches in that first at-bat.

by Jess'HittheBall on Jul 6, 2011 2:28 AM CDT reply actions  

By the way, I feel horrible about this Zach Duke comment.

I’m not sure why I said something mean like that, and I’m glad Dave Kerwin didn’t actually cause any permanent damage to anyone structurally (mentally, though…I’m not sure. He has had a knack for getting people fired over the years).

Dan Uggla did not respect Zack Greinke, Ryan Braun or Alex Gonzalez when he fouled off 5 of the 9 pitches in that first at-bat.

by Jess'HittheBall on Jul 6, 2011 4:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I find it difficult to blame Yuni

He’s just someone in the lineup that refuses to improve himself or learn from mistakes, only following suit from management and the execs

by sicklebeat on Jul 6, 2011 2:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Basically, I just get the sense he's getting special treatment..

Maybe Yuni really won’t listen to suggestions, but it doesn’t mean he can’t learn to be more of an adult. From the looks of things, it seems the whole team protects him from criticism (as they should).

In the past, he’s gotten benched in Seattle for refusal to work on his swing. Whether anything can be changed or not, he didn’t show up early to work with his hitting coach to at least try it. Professional baseball players are human beings. We’ve got a couple of very different personalities, including some who struggle from disorders like panic attacks, bipolar….probably lot’s of ADHD and the Brewers do a great job working with this diverse group.

I’ve no doubt in my mind that Yuniesky has gone through a ton of things. The Cuba thing was a disaster (if you read about it, the trip did not go well at all. His agent dropped him off at the wrong spot, and he was held in a jail for a long time. IIRC, he is still taking his agent to trial).

To me, he’s not going to grow up, and doesn’t necessarily need to in spirit. But he’s got a frickin’ job and I’m confused on what project-Yuni is right now as a plan for the coaching staff. He’s gotta stop worrying about how people; fans, players coaches, friends, etc… perceive him. He’s afraid to make a mistake. And on, and on.
I’m a compassionate person, and am very glad Milwaukee is a club that takes care of it’s players and treat emotional troubles on the same plane as a physical injury. Unless I’m totally off, here, my first thought is that Betancourt has all kinds of things distracting him, and might have to fight through them every day.

But we’ve also got to have a team we can rely on to help us get past some of these tougher clubs to get into the playoffs, and for the playoffs. So now that everyone knows what I think of the guy, I’d like to still continue on with my adventures of Yuni and Abyss-Baseball from the 1860’s.

Dan Uggla did not respect Zack Greinke, Ryan Braun or Alex Gonzalez when he fouled off 5 of the 9 pitches in that first at-bat.

by Jess'HittheBall on Jul 6, 2011 4:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay - a person can show compassion by being realistic : ) See below:

Yuni doesn’t seem to know how to play baseball well enough to play at the MLB level. He’s not a good baseball player. Bless his heart.

Dan Uggla did not respect Zack Greinke, Ryan Braun or Alex Gonzalez when he fouled off 5 of the 9 pitches in that first at-bat.

by Jess'HittheBall on Jul 6, 2011 4:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am convinced that there is nothing to be done with Betancourt

And every day he lingers on the roster is another day he sucks away the team’s potential. Wilson & CC at SS for the rest of the year; at least we have decent defense that way. For God’s sake why isn’t that happening right now?

by nullacct on Jul 6, 2011 7:28 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Judging from his comments, I think RR feels the same way too

Just not sure why he continues to play him as much as he does. I don’t know if it’s because he wants to make it painfully obvious that the team needs a new SS or if he really doesn’t have much faith in Counsell or Wilson.

I guess it’s good that RR defends his players (Wolfie), but I think it’s pretty weak to say that the offense should’ve been able to score 3-4 runs in the first inning.

Also, I find it interesting that when RR started Gamel at 3B and Wilson in LF… neither player had any plays to make.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 6, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

At what ooint does Melvin have to start paying for his crimes against Milwaukee baseball

The yearly melt down of our pitching staff never having any middle relief signing over the hill relief pitchers who end up broke.

trading for Kevin Mench

I could go on for ever when does he finally get thrown under the bus?

"It's a joke. It's all a joke.

by WSB Chris on Jul 6, 2011 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

The bench completely is his fault

Or lack there of. Only power threat we have on our bench right now is Mat. Once he’s down, then our deep ball threat is… Wilson.

by SgtClueLs on Jul 6, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But that’s not what was mentioned in the post I replied to.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 6, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

So Melvin is not responsible for anything ok

I will never understand all the people willing to take a bullet for Melvin

"It's a joke. It's all a joke.

by WSB Chris on Jul 6, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

He can't be completely left out of the conversation though

Every GM makes mistakes, but in a year we are going for it, GM mistakes (Roster, trading Villy for a bag of peanuts, gaping holes) can’t be ignored.

RRR is Dougs pick again. Whatever failures his manager has is a reflection of his ability to make sound decisions when it comes to leadership. And I’ve had my doubts, especially when it comes to the farm system and the handling of drafts.

by SgtClueLs on Jul 6, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

On the bright side, Runnin' Ron seems to be gone

I can’t think of any recent horrible running mistakes. I’m sure there have been a few, but the frequency of mistakes at the beginning of the year was ridiculous. Maybe the players have just learned better, but it seems like the team, in general, is being much more selective in its base running.

There’s some learning going on, it’s just not enough.

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by ecocd on Jul 6, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

You forget the McGehee squeeze play from Monday

Where even a below-average throw would have gotten him at the plate.

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."

by GoGregGo on Jul 6, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

And the Yuni tag

Where he was called safe even though he was out.

by SgtClueLs on Jul 6, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Give Yuni a Break

This Yuni bashing is really overboard. Is he a great, even good, baseball player? No, he’s not. But he’s hitting .240 with 28 RBI, hardly below the Mendoza line.

Plus, who would replace Yuni in the lineup? Craig Counsell and his .181 average and his now subpar defense? Josh Wilson, who is basically the same player as Yuni but actually hitting worse (.231)?

by 6354201 on Jul 6, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Except

Wilson and Counsell have both been worth 0.4 WAR this year, while Yuni has been worth -0.7 WAR. He’s almost certainly worse than a platoon between the guys on our bench.

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."

by GoGregGo on Jul 6, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

True...

But, and this is of course pure speculation, I think that given more playing time Counsell and Wilson would both have a worse WAR than Yuni. I mean honestly, and I hate to say it because I’ve always been of fan of him, but Counsell looks simply horrific every time he comes up to bat, and his average shows it. And Wilson is basically Yuni but with less power and slightly better defense.

by 6354201 on Jul 6, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

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