Wednesday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while naming your doppleganger.
Another Brewer late inning win and a Cardinals loss pushed the Crew seven games ahead in the NL Central, their largest August lead in franchise history. You can see the updated standings and much more in today's edition of Around the NL Central. For the first time this morning we're starting to see the white flag come up at Viva El Birdos. How are you handling this season's sudden success? J. Scott Loomer of PastKast is scared to talk about it, while @Tony_Plush takes the opposing view.
Last night's win continued the recent trend: Good pitching kept the team in the game, and timely hitting pushed them over the top. Mark Kotsay, whose single in the ninth drove in the winning run, told reporters after the game that the pitching staff has become this team's identity. I'm not sure if I agree with that, but they're certainly carrying the load lately.
Even before pitching eight innings last night, Yovani Gallardo was on a hot streak at Miller Park. @STATS_MLB notes that Gallardo had a 1.76 ERA in his last seven home starts. He lowered that number last night, but still received a no-decision.
Other notes from the field:
- Yovani Gallardo hit a foul ball last night that left seam marks on a wall in the press box.
- Gallardo, Chad Billingsley and Mike MacDougal are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Here's a transcript of Ron Roenicke's postgame comments.
- 37,083 fans paid to see last night's contest.
- The Chorizo won the Sausage Race.
The two teams meet again tonight, with Zack Greinke taking the mound against rookie Nathan Eovaldi. Spencer Fordin of MLB.com has the preview.
John Axford got the night off last night, but he's all over the internet today: His Maxim article from earlier this season is up, and so is his interview with the American Mustache Institute.
This could spark a really interesting debate: If the Brewers continue to lead the NL Central we're probably going to start seeing more pieces like this one, which names Ron Roenicke as an NL Manager of the Year candidate.
Randy Wolf's season has been an underrated factor in the Brewers' 2011 improvement. Alex of View From Bernie's Chalet has a look at his performance. In a related note, Brian Anderson has a look at several incredible statistical quirks from Monday night's game. Speaking of Monday's game: Corey Hart, Ryan Braun and Jonathan Lucroy's home run trots clocked in at 20.39, 21.42 and 22.01 seconds, respectively.
Craig Counsell is a longtime Brewer fan favorite, but his lack of offensive production this season has made him something of a lightning rod. This week's edition of A Simple Kind of Fan makes the case for keeping him around.
Here are today's injury notes:
- Chris Narveson threw off a mound yesterday and could come off the DL to pitch in Monday's doubleheader against the Pirates.
- Rickie Weeks has resumed hitting. He still hasn't started running, but once he can do that he's likely ready for a rehab assignment.
Looking ahead to the offseason, the Brewers will have an interesting decision to make regarding Francisco Rodriguez. He's almost certain to be a Type A free agent, but for the Brewers to receive compensation for him they'd have to offer him arbitration. Rodriguez is earning $11.5 million this season, so if he accepted the team's offer he'd absorb a huge chunk of their 2012 payroll. MLB Trade Rumors lists him as one of several unfortunate Type A free agents.
It's not something I would've predicted a few months ago, but the bullpen is going to be an interesting area of need for the team this winter. John Axford and Kameron Loe will be back, but K-Rod, Takashi Saito and LaTroy Hawkins will all be free agents.
With that said, the 2012 Brewers still don't have that many question marks. Brewers Daily disputes the notion that this year's team will decline next season.
In the minors:
- Today is Taylor Jungmann and Jed Bradley's second full day as members of the Brewer organization, so it's time to figure out where they fit into the prospect rankings. The Golden Sombrero listed Jungmann as one of nine 2011 draft picks that immediate become their new team's top prospect. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar has Jungmann and Bradley in his top three.
- Jungmann and Bradley talked to reporters yesterday about their signing process.
- All told, the Brewers spent about $8 million on their 33 signed picks.
- Meanwhile, former first round pick Mark Rogers' season is likely over and he's expected to undergo surgery for carpal tunnel in his right wrist. He should be ready in time for spring training.
- The affiliates went 4-1 last night and Kentrail Davis went 2-for-4 with a home run in Brevard County's 6-3 win over Daytona. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- If you haven't been to a Wisconsin game this season, then you're missing out on the Diamond Dancers. Follow this link to see some of their routines and vote for one for them to perform on August 27.
As draft aftermath continues, we're seeing increasing calls for reform of the way the slotting system and negotiations are handled. The rules could be altered in this winter's new collective bargaining agreement, and Doug Melvin has accepted an invitation to the committee that's working on a proposal.
Mark your calendar: The Brewers announced yesterday they'll be giving out Tony Plush Rally Towels to the first 30,000 fans in attendance for their game against the Phillies on Friday, September 9. I can't imagine there are too many tickets available for a Friday, September game between two contending teams, so if you're dying to get a rally towel you should probably act fast.
If you'd like to laugh out loud this morning, Jack Moore of NotGraphs has audio from Robin Yount and Bob Uecker's inning in the broadcast booth on Sunday.
Around baseball:
Angels: Placed pitcher Garrett Richards on the DL with a groin strain.
Blue Jays: Placed pitcher Jon Rauch on the DL with appendicitis and designated pitcher Trever Miller for assignment.
Diamondbacks: Designated pitcher Kevin Mulvey for assignment.
Giants: Placed outfielder Carlos Beltran (strained right hand) and reliever Sergio Romo (elbow inflammation) on the DL and are expected to DL pitcher Jonathan Sanchez with a sprained ankle.
Orioles: Placed first baseman Chris Davis on the DL with a tear in his shoulder.
Phillies: Placed infielder Placido Polanco on the DL with a sports hernia.
Twins: Acquired pitcher Lester Oliveros from the Tigers as the PTBNL in the Delmon Young trade.
White Sox: Placed catcher A.J. Pierzynski on the DL with a broken wrist.
Yankees: Claimed pitcher Raul Valdes off waivers from the Cardinals.
Here's an interesting note showing a pretty dramatic change in pitching strategy: Beyond the Box Score has a chart showing that the percentage of major league hitters seeing fastballs more than 60% of the time has decreased dramatically in recent years, and slider usage is steadily rising.
In former Brewers: Gary Sheffield (fourth) and Jim Edmonds (14th) made the B-Ref Blog's list of the most career home runs hit by a player who played for at least five teams.
If you've seen any highlight shows this morning you probably already knew this, but the Red Sox turned a 5-4-3 triple play last night.
Finally, a quick public service reminder: I know we're all enjoying the Brewers' recent hot streak, a relatively rare string of national relevance for this team. I know that beating the Cardinals makes it a little sweeter, and I can't say I blame anyone for being happy about seeing them lose. With that said, if you're the kind of person who's jumping on other teams' sites to gloat about it, stop it. You're one of the people that gives us all a bad name. Having to deal with crap like that when it happens here is one of the worst parts of my job.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to ignoring the statistics.
Drink up.
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So I don't know why BCB shows up in my dreams...
But last night I dreamed that the whole site was redesigned with a very classy Muppets theme. Like the background at the top of the page was blue-toned Miss Piggy and Kermit. I must say, I liked it.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
by Yar Nivek on Aug 17, 2011 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's not what it looked like in my dreams.
But I like it…I can hardly stop laughing.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
It's time to play the music, it's time to light the lights, it's time to meet the Milwaukee Brewers.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
Betancourt the Great?
I don’t think so.

Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
For Muppet fans...
Listen to a soon-to-be released album of covers of classic Muppets songs:
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/14/138984517/first-listen-muppets-the-green-album
by Oakland Brewer Fan on Aug 17, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
With that said, if you’re the kind of person who’s jumping on other teams’ sites to gloat about it, stop it.
Wait, what did I miss here?
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Thank you for this KL.
We are all judged by our most moronic fan. As we know, there is practically an arms race in these parts to claim this top spot.
A quick session of fungos is all Mat Gamel needs to play 3rd base for the Milwaukee Brewers.
by Brew Town Boozer on Aug 17, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I meant these parts
as in Milwaukee, not BCB. Haha. Sorry if someone thought I meant anyone here, I didn’t.
A quick session of fungos is all Mat Gamel needs to play 3rd base for the Milwaukee Brewers.
by Brew Town Boozer on Aug 17, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I am a member of the Birdos
I have posted there, but I would never, ever taunt them or gloat. It’s bad character.

Besides, they have no sense of humor.
by nullacct on Aug 17, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
For the record, I don't think anyone was doing this.
Someone misinterpreted a troll at the Cardinals site as being a Brewers fan, when it was really just a Cardinals fans.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
And to their credit
All but one or two of the VEB commenters handled it fine.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 17, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Said misinterpreter was a Brewers fan as well.
Confusing.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 17, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not aware of any specific instance, since I tend to stay off other teams' sites during games.
But, since the issue came up in my reading this morning, I figured it was worth mentioning.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I think there's a decent chance we retain either Hawkins or Saito
But probably not both, and K-Rod will be poised to graze in greener pastures.
I'm not sure how I feel about either Hawkins or Saito.
Both have been great this season, but they’re also likely too old to be considered a lock to contribute next year. I’m worried that if either are re-signed and thrust into the 2012 version of their 2011 role, they’ll break down and we’ll get a “small market teams can’t afford to upgrade” speech from Melvin again.
Double my concerns if they somehow decide to re-sign both.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I'd roll the dice with Saito again if he'll do the same contract as this year
Probably thank Hawkins for his time and be glad he gave them something this year.
Hopefully the success of the bullpen doesn’t mean Melvin goes out and gives multi-year deals to RP this offseason.
Get a ife broseph
Multi-year deals to late 30's relievers, no less.
They’re the new market inefficiency.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
omg lol
When Elvis rushes into the locker room and starts singing through his curled lip, the look on Saito’s face is priceless in any language. "No!" he says, confused. "I am not birthday!"
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Aug 17, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
yeah I loved that quote as well
that whole article was pretty great. you kind of feel like these guys would drink during the game if they could.
"We have to beat these guys. All they do is (complain) and moan about everything, all of them. I really hate the Cardinals. Compared to the Cardinals, I love the Chicago Cubs. Let me make this clear: I hate the Cardinals" - Brandon Phillips
K-Rod and arbitration
I thought I remember that when the Crew got K-Rod, there was something said about some sort of a handshake deal where they wouldn’t offer him arbitration? Or where he agreed not to accept it if they offered it? Was there something about that, or am I mis-remembering?
Yeah, I thought that was part of the agreement to waive his option
Though maybe we all just assumed it, and it hasn’t been officially reported anywhere.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 17, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I think TH originally said he would be surprised if there wasn't a handshake agreement
And then later went back on it saying he hadn’t heard anything about an agreement actually being in place.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Nothing official has reported
Just some assumptions by us and TH
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I'm referring to the handshake deal to not offer him arbitration
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
TH later reported that he was wrong.
The Brewers had no reason to do that, so I’m not sure why they would.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
I think there's a good chance they offer
And he rejects. I would not be surprised to see some sort of under the table handshake deal on this.
I think K-Rod and his agent would prefer that the Brewers not offer arbitration at all
so that teams would not be put off by having to part with a draft pick to sign him.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yeah, I was thinking about that
But if a team on the brink goes from zero to K-Rod in the closer role, they’re not thinking about the draft.
Possibly
but I would think that they want to maximize the number of suitors for K-Rod to drive the price up.
I would guess that losing the top draft pick would make a difference to at least some of the teams who might consider going after him.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
18-2
doesn’t happen that often…in fact it’s never happened for these or any Brewers before. I don’t post on here too often and try to avoid gloating and sarcasm because of that. That said, I definitely appreciate keeping one’s image intact, but I would think that MAYBE a little boasting isn’t the end of the world based on insanely amazing the Brewers have played over the last three weeks. I guess it just depends on how it’s delivered and what verbage is used however.
I think the record speaks for itself.
There’s no need to rub it in anyone’s face.
by Cervercero on Aug 17, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you want to gloat, gloat here.
No need to do it elsewhere. I post all kinds of petty, vindictive crap about the Cardinals here, which I think is fine, but it’d just be rude and douchey to post the same stuff at VEB.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 17, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This, exactly.
If you’re a fan of a team, celebrate their victories on their site, not the other team’s.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right
We get those kinds here from time-to-time (although not nearly as much as last season), and we don’t like it, so why do it to them?
Although when they did visit, I was able to get a signature out of it.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Aug 17, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I believe that I got my sig from that same troll as well
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
The best way to gloat is to pretend to be friendly but coincidentally only show up when your team is stomping their team.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
"What? I just wanted to talk some baseball! You guys can't handle a fan from another team coming over here to talk baseball?"
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 17, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Freedom of Speech!
Our forefathers set up this country so we could anonymously troll those who think differently from us!
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Aug 17, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
OH I'M SORRY OFFICER, I'M SORRY
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on Aug 17, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The John Axford "Hair-itage" shirt is available for purchase now, for those who were interested
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Aug 17, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I started noticing these types of shirts earlier this season
and was wondering if they’d do one for Axford.
My wife got me a Yount one, which I don’t wear very often. For some reason, they look much better on a hanger than on a person.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I guess this is ironic or something...
Gallardo, Chad Billingsley and Mike MacDougal are leading FanGraphs’ Star of the Game voting.
MacDougal has a -.282 WPA for the Dodgers. So are the voters trying to say that he was the best player for the wrong team?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 17, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
That happens a lot on Fangraphs' Star of the Game
The goat for the losing team gets voted as one of the stars, just for teh lulz.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 17, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
VEB commenters
Disclaimer: This has nothing to do directly with either of the teams, nor does it have to do with anything negative about either teams’ fans.
I read through some of the commetns on the “white flag” post Kyle referenced, and I always enjoy encountering another board’s inside jokes. They make no sense to me, but they occur in such a context that is completely fascinating to me, and makes me think of how other people must interpret our board sometimes. One exchange I would like to highlight:
What? No lollipops and handjobs?
by peppermartin
i was led to believe
there would be punch and pie here.
by ldr
it’s all a lack of pies
by scoot
don’t tell the cow or he’ll want to help with that
by d-dee
Seriously, no clue, but completely entertained.
The first comment
is in reference to the fact that the fella who wrote the post said that he wanted to be positive, but he couldn’t find anything nice to say. Hence, no lollipops and blowjobs.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I'm relatively certain that the punch and pie comment is a South Park reference
In the South Park movie the boys attract people to a meeting by claiming there would be punch and pie when there would not be any.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
This is correct.
Then they settle on offering a “free hat” and lots of people show up, thinking it’s a rally to Free Hat (Lastname), a convicted toddler murderer.
Which brought us the awesome line:
“So Tweak, what’s the best thing about toddler murder?”
“Uh, um…it’s easy?”
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 17, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah damnit
I’ve literally seen that movie 20 times (but not once in the last, say, 7 years). I should’ve known better.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 17, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Well yeah
But it made me wonder at the origin of “lollipops and handjobs” within their lexicon, like how someone might wonder at “RIDEBIKES!” I guess it’s the subtext that intrigues me. Again, none of this has anything to do with anything and is more my English-nerdy obsession with the specialization of language.
After reading a bunch of the comments in that thread
Cards fans don’t seem so bad after all.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 17, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never had a problem with Cards fans
The problem is TLR and his henchmen: Pujols, Carpenter and Molina
Now Cubs fans…
It is what it is.
by coolig on Aug 17, 2011 2:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
There are some that got all into the holier than thou stuff...
but lots of them, especially the knowledgable ones, are just as sick of TLR
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Aug 17, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Colby was the straw that broke the respectful camel's back, it seems.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I don't think each teams' fanbase is much different from one another
Mostly decent, rationale people with a small minority of asshats who give the rest of them a bad rap.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I would argue that the Cubs have a higher % of the latter
Or maybe it’s just volume of fans.
by cwolf20 on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is true in general, but fanbase's online presences can be quite different from each other.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Tonight's lineup
Caveman
Plush
Jewish guy
Vegetarian
Regression
E6
Jr.
Not Wolf’s catcher
Donald
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I would think you'd go with "Burrito Guy"
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
I don’t get the burrito guy thing
by Rabbit915 on Aug 17, 2011 5:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
a quick google search of Zack Greinke and Chipotle will net you this quote
“I’d say the average person wouldn’t eat a Chipotle burrito and still do his running, full speed, like me. That’s why they call me special.”
Weird
Both Wikipedia and TheBaseballCube both have it listed as “Zackary”.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.












































