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by Kyle Lobner on Aug 2, 2011 10:23 AM CDT
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Whether it was luck, skill or a combination of the two, the Brewers picked up a big win last night to open up a 3.5 game lead in the NL Central, their largest since 2007. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar has a look at some of the breaks that went the Brewers' way last night to help them build that lead.
Another day, another review of the trade deadline: Cory Provus breaks down the Brewers', Cardinals' and Pirates' trades, while View From Bernie's Chalet thinks the Brewers made the best moves among the NL Central contenders.
One of the Brewers' biggest trade-season acquisitions was Jerry Hairston Jr., but you wouldn't know it from the way he's been used. He entered last night's game as a defensive replacement and did not bat. Both Craig Counsell and Mark Kotsay have started games since Hairston's acquisition, while he's made one plate appearance. Meanwhile, Felipe Lopez has made four straight starts at second. Toby Harrmann of Disciples of Uecker used ZiPS projections to estimate what to expect from Brewer batters the rest of the way, and Hairston was significantly better than many of the alternatives.
Counsell, by the way, was the first of two Brewer pinch hitters used last night and popped out. He's now 0-for his last 45, one at bat away from tying Bill Bergen's 1909 record for position players.
Other notes from the field:
- Nyjer Morgan's three run double in the fifth was his first career three run hit. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch gave Morgan "huge respect" for his walkup song.
- Chris Carpenter's balk last night was his first as a member of the Cardinals.
- Here's a transcript of Ron Roenicke's postgame comments.
- Nyjer Morgan, Zack Greinke and Matt Holliday are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- 41,619 fans paid to see last night's game. Colin Fly says the team needs to average 38,770 over the remaining 27 home games to break 3 million.
- The Hot Dog won the Sausage Race.
- Wisconsin football coach Bret Bielema spent a half inning in the FS Wisconsin booth last night and, among other things, called Miller Park "Brewers Park" and referred to Prince Fielder as Cecil (pronounced "see-sil," not "seh-sil" like his father). I'm hoping the welt on my forehead will heal before I have to go out in public.
Speaking of Prince, here's video of his massive home run from Saturday:
Fielder circled the bases in 24.01 seconds following that blast. That's .05 seconds faster than Matt Holliday's trot from last night.
The two teams continue the series tonight, and Sam Zuba of MLB.com has the preview.
Now that we're into August, it's time for July's monthly accolades: Zack Greinke was named the Brewer pitcher of the month, and in a something of an upset Yuniesky Betancourt won player of the month. Betancourt hit .299/.315/.437 for a .752 OPS in the month. By my count, at least five Brewers were better: Ryan Braun (1.038), Corey Hart (.836), Prince Fielder (.809), Rickie Weeks (.790) and Nyjer Morgan (.768).
MLB Depth Charts also named Greinke, Ryan Braun and John Axford to their NL July All Star team. Axford also won this week's El Super.
In the minors:
- The new Brewerfan.net Power 50 has been posted. Wily Peralta and Tyler Thornburg continue to hold the top two spots but some new names have joined them in the top five.
- Peralta is also the reigning Southern League Pitcher of the Week. Tom Haudricourt has a look at Peralta and Nashville outfielder Logan Schafer's recent hot streaks.
- The affiliates went 1-4 last night, with Wisconsin picking up the lone win on a Mike Brownstein tenth inning walkoff home run. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- Rattler Radio has video highlights from the win.
It's getting to be that time of year: The Brewers announced their postseason ticket plan yesterday. Full and partial season ticket holders for 2011 will be given first priority, but the team says you can also get the ability to buy playoff tickets by making a deposit on a 2012 ticket plan.
In power rankings:
- Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune has the Brewers fifth, up two spots.
- FanGraphs has the Brewers sixth, up one spot.
- Beyond the Box Score has the Brewers seventh.
- ESPN has the Brewers eighth, up two spots.
Around baseball:
Braves: Placed reliever Scott Linebrink on the DL with a lower back strain.
Dodgers: Placed pitcher Rubby De La Rosa on the DL with elbow inflammation.
Giants: Pitcher Barry Zito has been placed on the disabled list with...well, something.
Indians: Pitcher Carlos Carrasco has been suspended six games for throwing at an opposing batter's head on Friday. He plans to appeal.
Mariners: Placed reliever Chris Ray on the DL with a shoulder strain.
Nationals: Released 1B/OF Matt Stairs.
Phillies: Released pitcher Danys Baez.
Pirates: Designated first baseman Lyle Overbay for assignment.
Yankees: Are expected to release reliever Randy Flores today.
Flores is a player the Brewers could target: He's left-handed, 36 years old and an eight year major league veteran. With that said, lefties have hit .275/.345/.435 off of him for his career, so he's not exactly a fit as a LOOGY. Danny Knobler said St. Louis, Boston and Arizona are also in the market for a lefty reliever.
Meanwhile, you already know about Overbay and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central.
Today in former Brewers: Arne Christensen of The Hardball Times posted an interview with Seattle Pilot and 1970 Brewer Greg Goossen, who recently passed away.
The Pirates are in the middle of their single most relevant season in over a decade, so it only makes sense that this is when something like this would happen: A dispute over a cable company merger has led to Pirates games being blacked out in northeastern Ohio.
If you're going to next week's Brewers-Cardinals series in St. Louis, watch your head. Sidewalks around the stadium were closed yesterday after a piece of metal trim fell off the outside of the park. No one was injured.
New Phillies outfielder Hunter Pence has had an interesting week, being traded away from the only organization he's ever known and going from last place to a pennant race. Apparently he's got so much on his mind that he forgot to remove the donut from his bat before stepping to the plate in the tenth inning last night. (h/t Hardball Talk)
I don't know about you guys, but I feel like an "Untitled" would look pretty good on Rubie's desk. You can nominate him or any of your other favorite internet writers for the first annual Untitled Sports Media Awards Project.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to sober someone up.
Drink up.
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Why must MLB be so picky?
"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush
by thefreewheelin76 on Aug 2, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
Ok
Must be my etch-a-sketch level computer.
"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush
by thefreewheelin76 on Aug 2, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
You should upgrade to the LiteBrite level computer.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
Some people aren't made of money, you know.
Not everyone on these boards is a lawyer.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
"Listen here missy. Oxygen don't grow on trees y'know."
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
It's been said before...
but there is absolutely NO justification for pinch hitting Counsell at this point. Personally, I don’t think he should be on the team anymore, but at the risk of setting off the “but he’s the best defensive option available” peeps, let me say that bringing him in as a defensive replacement is the one and the only way Counsell should be out there.
Also, I freaking love the Brewers and the way they’ve been playing. This is an exciting time to be a fan.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Aug 2, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
I don't understand what's happened to him
It’s not like he’s being robbed. Every AB is a weak grounder, pop-up, or strikeout. Is he hurt??
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
maybe he should put donuts on his bat
a friend sent me this ny times article that explains how using weight in the on deck circle activates slow twitch fibers and reduces your swing speed. apparently this has been known for a while, but most players still use weight. it quoted sveum even (amazing for ny, even if it is the times) and he sounded like he knew what he was talking about.
however, it lost all credibility when it mentioned CC as a player that adopted this approach.
by Capt Science on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a pretty sneaky sales tactic for the Times
Dressing up their website to look just like the Wall Street Journal.
Looks like an interesting article tho, thanks.
by The Left Button on Aug 2, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
well, the good kind of gas anyways.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
I guess they feel he's due?
but how long can you go to that well? During the 0-45 streak: 1BB, 1HBP, 2 sac bunts, 1 sac fly, 2R, 1 RBI and his OBP has dropped .110
Prince: "Brewers will win the World Series and I'll sign a 10-year deal in Milwaukee"
Braun: "Well, I guess there's just one thing to do then..."
i'm sure they'll give him at least 2 more ABs
so he has a shot at the record, at least
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
Out of respect
They should spare him the embarrassment of owning that record, make him a bench coach, and call up Green. I seriously mean this — CC has had too good of an MLB career to have that be associated with his time in Milwaukee.
I don't know the man
but I’d bet you a donut Counsell would be righteously pissed if the team did anything to spare him the ignominy of that record.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I wonder if Counsell even knows?
I imagine they aren’t frantically Googling Bill Bergen career stats in the dugout.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
I know Haudricourt said he asked him about the hitless streak a couple of weeks back.
Don’t know if it’s been brought up since then, though.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
It's Haudricourt's fault, he got into C.C.'s head!
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
by SRB on Aug 2, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure it's been brought up by someone
either a reporter or a teammate.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Probably Greinke
“That’s what a hit looks like.”
by nullacct on Aug 2, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
"Hey Craig, you realize your wRC+ is 22, right?"
“Twenty-Two. That’s bad man.”
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He knows he’s 0-45, I’m sure. Kind of hoping he’s not aware that he’s close to breaking a hundred year old record for futility.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
Its too bad we no longer have Ben Sheets available to pinch hit for Counsell.
It is painful and this has certainly got to be Craig’s last year. I think if the Brewers were in last place he might have just pulled the plug on his career by now, but he does have some playoff magic history so there is always that.
was yesterday the debut of Tony Gumbel?
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
Yuni led the team in RBI with 13 in July
There’s no other stat more important in all of baseball. Of course he deserved player of the month recognition!
I have no explanation for JHJ’s absence from the games, though. Maybe he kicked the same puppy Boggs did when he joined the Brewers. Last night, BA said Hairston would start in CF tonight with a lefty on the mound.
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the difference is, you expect guys like Braun, Fielder, Hart, Morgan, etc. to be good!
when Yuni B puts up decent numbers, that’s cause for celebration
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
by JAMOOL on Aug 2, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think/hope it's only a matter of time
They’re not going to bench Yuni while he is hitting, but Lopez hasn’t looked very good at the plate since his first game. If that continues, I would hope that JHJ would get more playing time.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
There's no more important stat, but not one to judge a player on alone.
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
Whenever I'm being sarcastic
I just use the regular font. I’ll use italics to indicate when I’m not being sarcastic. Its a highly understandable approach to take as should be clear, even to you…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
by MrLeam on Aug 2, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that RBI is an underrated state, and I hate it when people don’t give credit to players like Yuni, because he really deserves the accolade.
by dickie_thon on Aug 2, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could you post how to do that?
The HTML to do that isn’t obvious to me. Thanks.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
Oh sorry, I posted it in the title but they didn't show up.
< code > Like this </ code >
Of course, remove the spaces.
I believe you can also do it by encasing it in "@" symbols
@ Like This @ minus the spaces between the letters and symbols
Like This
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Great
I’m going to really enjoy having to do that fantastic code thing for almost all my posts
I'm going to really enjoy having to do that fantastic code thing for almost all my posts
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
McGehee's UZR/150 this season is up to +5.2
How does he get slower on the basepaths but better in the field?
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
Ask JJ Hardy
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Aug 2, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hardy was just slow for a guy who looked so fast though (fastest-looking-slow-guy in the majors)
McGehee is somewhere around first or second in the slowest people in the universe contest.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
I think he only had one bad stretch of defense and has otherwise been solid
I suspect there might be some defensive positioning at work, too. If it isn’t an exaggerated shift, I would think those plays still count towards UZR.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
Knowing when to play on the line or cheat towards SS?
Creeping in on bunts also helps UZR, because they’re typically Out Of Zone plays. If they’ve got him one step in the right direction more often than not, that could be pretty huge.
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I'm asking in comparison to other positions. Not trying to poo-poo range at 3B, just wondering if it plays a smaller component in UZR
or if range is looked at differently at 3B because the ball is hit so hard there. Positioning, reactions, and arm are probably the most important components of 3B defense.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org UZR zone map
So it looks like some bunts would still be in a typical 3B zone, but take a quick look at those slices on the infield. It wouldn’t take more than a few steps to put him into a different zone than a ‘typical’ 3B set up.
The basic building block of UZR is the zone map. At it’s basic level as I understand it, UZR takes each zone and that player’s percentage of converted out compared to other players in his position. A player that converts 80% of balls hit to zone E110 compared to a league average of 75% in E110 would be above average for zone E110. Each defensive opportunity is weighted by every imaginable factor – type of ball, park, etc – to give it a defensive value of sorts. A pop-up to E130 isn’t “worth” as much as catching a line drive in the same zone.
Range is pretty much the main determinant of UZR.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
Sorry, hit Post before I finished my thoughts
Range is main determinant, but a player positioned to make those line drive catches or a ground ball on the bag is going to have a higher conversion percentage on more valuable defensive opportunities than a player that always plays in his position.
That’s part of why Fielder’s UZR is always so poor. I remember hearing on a broadcast that a 1B’s job is to play as far away from the 1B line as he can while still being able to cover it on ground balls. He’s probably getting to an average number of balls down the 1B line, but Fielder’s range is poor so he’s missing damn near every opportunity in a zone between 1B and 2B. A zone that an average 1B can reach.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
I still seem to remember him having a solid defensive reputation in the minors (or maybe I’m making that up) so it’s not that surprising. He would have been a 4+ WAR player last season if he showed this defense then.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
darnit!
i thought you were going to link to this article that wezen ball tweeted about yesterday. it might be the greatest basebal article ever written. (and no, it’s not really about mcgehee.)
by Capt Science on Aug 2, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it was his knee issue that affected his defense
The defensive shifting is probably helping, but then again, it’s not doing Yuni any favors.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Wow, you ain't kidding on that
Could easily be his worst UZR in his career. The Brewers probably use a different defensive metric so maybe he’s doing better in the areas they care about rather than UZR.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
I believe the Brewers defensive metric is the well known stat RBI
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by Jeo on Aug 2, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Defense shift
Weeks was right about where he was last year, little change with Prince and Yuni worse. Just eyeballing it, sure doesn’t seem like McGehee is playing drastically different than last year.
Get a ife broseph
It doesn't require a drastic change to improve defense
There’s probably a ball hit through the infield every game that a player misses by one step.
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Right
I guess there just doesn’t seem to be any evidence his UZR is helped at all by positioning, right?
Get a ife broseph
There really wouldn't be any way to measure it
We would have to know where each player is positioned on the field to get a direct measure. I guess we could do an analysis of Roenicke’s players when he was with the Angels and the Brewers, but I don’t think the sample size would be large enough for that.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
It's nice that Melvin had Ron check up on JHJ before acquiring him
But shouldn’t Melvin have checked with Ron, to see if he had any interest in actually giving him substantial innings/ABs as an infielder?
Its been 2 games?
Might be good to give it a little time before getting too upset about it
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 2, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If he had gotten one of the starts given to Counsell or Kotsay this weekend, I doubt anyone would've been too upset.
Also, Lopez has played in four straight games.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I get that, but the bench guys like Kotsay and Counsell have to get starts too
2 games is way too small of sample. Teams will have non-optimal lineups because bench guys need to play and/or regulars need rest.
Get a ife broseph
Not sure
he’s a defensive sub, he can’t contribute on offense.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
He's appeared in 37 games where he did not play defense
As much as we want him to be, he’s not a defensive sub and frequently is asked to contribute on offense.
Get a ife broseph
Ok, I feel like I shouldn't have to say this at this point
but it seems like #nitpicky people at this site always willfully ignore the obvious, and I have to. Ready?
There is a difference between what the front office WILL do, and what the RIGHT decision is. Obviously the right decision is to only use Counsell as a defensive sub. They most likely won’t do that.
If I wanted to argue that the front office will only use him as a defensive sub, I would. I’m arguing that he only holds value as a defensive sub. Isn’t that clear?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Second base, with possible move to SS after Yuni cools.
Hairston’s defensive stats at 2B, over his career, have been really strong, and I think he’s a much better stick than Lopez. If we desperately feel like we need a lefty hitter in some situation, we can still PH Kotsay or Lopez.
You can make a case for him starting at CF v. LHP/2B/SS/3B and being an upgrade over other options. Which is why it was kind of weird to see him sitting at all. Maybe Roenicke is starting Lopez so much to see if he can recapture some of the immediate success he had here back in ’09 though, I can kind of understand that.
"PLUSH ALERT: THERE WAS AN UNTUCKING AT FENWAY!"
Because not playing JHJ has cost them 1-2 games?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Aug 2, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just because we won doesn't mean we can't improve the lineup.
You really don’t think it’s in our best interest to trot out the best lineup possible over the next two months? As high as we’re riding right now, I still think this is going to come down to a game or two. There are plenty of chances for us to nosedive on the road.
by MooseHaas on Aug 2, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, by your logic
We should keep starting Counsell at third and Kotsay in center, because it hasn’t hurt us.
By your logic
They should never ever take out the starters or play the bench guys because that would make the lineup worse and could cost them a game.
Probably a little of both
Get a ife broseph
Brewers have off-days Thursday and Monday
Just seems like a silly homestand to give starters a rest, you know?
By the same token
All those off days are even more days the bench guys are going to be unable to get game reps. Probably not good to have a terribly rusty hitter coming up in a high leverage PH situation against STL. Kotsay had a nice single up the middle last night.
I have no idea who needs rest or anything along those lines as well.
I get your point, and CC and Kotsay (especially in CF….) shouldn’t be getting regular starts, but on a 1 or 2 game basis you’ll have non-optimal lineups.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 2, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They were playing the worst team in MLB
I’d rather have those guys starting in that game than against a tougher opponent.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Did you even read the article by Toby Harmann?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Or are we not putting any faith in projections anymore?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Overall you're arguing against Hairston starting
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe that's not exactly right.
You’re defending RRR’s decision to start Kotsay and Counsell this weekend. You’re refraining from saying whether it would be a good idea to make Hairston the starting SS or 3B. But I’ll say it: Hairston should start at 3B or SS. He would be an upgrade over the UTIs we have there.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Yuni has been batting well for a month+ now,
so how would anyone really argue that Hairston needs to be in lineup? I know that Yuni and McGehee aren’t the best options, but in general, if i saw a team that traded to Jerry Hairston to start for them regularly probably isn’t in good shape…
You're aware of his terrible defense and bloated BABIP, I'm assuming
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
bloated or not, it's working
would you suggest benching a guy because he’s been lucky? not saying that makes him a better player, but until the luck runs out, why mess with it?
Because you will get the same amount of wOBA from Hairston
with better defense. Which is of more value to the team.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
brewers averaging 3.7R/game since ASG (4.3 for season),
so we may need the offense right now, and Yuni is giving it for the time being, luck or not…
But Hairston is a better offensive player
how are you missing that?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
my point is that regardless of the better player,
the ‘hot’ player is going to play. why bench a guy that is playing well for the short term? especially considering that they didnt bench Yuni for extended time when he wasn’t hitting, why would they do it when he is finally hitting better? he’s been the starter all year and they aren’t going to change that, especially in the midst of good streak for him…
Didn't you see the splits?
Yuni’s ‘hot July’ at the time of the trade was .328 wOBA. Hairston’s SEASON was .323 wOBA.
So you’re telling me you think 5 one thousandths are going to make the difference?
I disagree.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Correction
Because you will likely get the same amount of wOBA from Hairston
Unless you have a crystal ball with 100% accuracy.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I don't need one
You will get
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
But here again, I know you're arguing just to argue
or do you really think Yuni is the better option than Hairston?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the same dude
who suggested that Haudricourt willfully sits on information about pending Brewers deals, rather than report it, out of courtesy to Melvin
Actually
I’m relatively sure things like that have happened before.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Details?
Please share.
I’m sure TH has said after the fact that he knew stuff was going on — because he has a desperate need to be perceived as the ultimate media authority on the team — but I think that’s just covering up for being frozen out.
If he is hiding stuff, that’s crazy, and completely against what a beat writer should be doing, because he doesn’t work for the team.
And, in fact
I seem to remember him crowing about the fact that the team was pissed at him when he got wind that a manager — may have been Garner, may have been somebody after him — was going to be canned and he reported it before it happened. He wears that like a badge of honor.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
OK, but he REPORTED that
he didn’t sit on it. I’m just asking for details about a time he had full, source-able knowledge about a Brewers transaction, and sat on it for the good of the team.
No, you're misunderstanding me:
I was saying that to support your position: he likes to boast about the fact that the team was pissed at him because he reported something before it was made public. So I don’t think he’d sit on something to benefit the team.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I was trying to reply to Kyle
Sorry — I was aware you were supporting me. And thank you for doing that.
Well clearly, in this case he had knowledge he was expected to sit on and didn't.
To me that’d imply that he’s had knowledge and kept it to himself in other cases.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Good of the team
or good of protecting/greasing his source who will continue to feed him insider scoops?
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Aug 2, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that implies it AT ALL
And he has no scoops, so he’s not protecting a stream of info. I can’t believe you actually think he sits on information. This is crazy. If the J-S found out he sat on tons of scoops, he could get suspended or fired. Part of his job is to get ahead of news about the team.
Ok.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 2, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Part of his job is to get ahead of news about the team."
He’s not the paparazzi.
If you don’t think he withholding information, then that’s your opinion, but it’s not that much of a stretch to think that he doesn’t release anything he’s heard until DM gives him the OK.
BTW – How do you know that the JS would suspend or fire him if he wasn’t reporting upcoming trades before they went down, but was aware of them?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
He also knows that if he pisses off DM,
DM stops feeding him info, and he’s no longer effective as a beat writer. Sometimes you have to find a balance at your job.
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by tcyoung on Aug 2, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In order for it to be a mixed equilibrium
He can’t sit on EVERYTHING that’s reported to him. He would have to actually use his scoops to publish something first for that logic to make sense.
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Look up and you'll find a case of just that
Kyle pointed it out.
I think the implication is that he doesn't like to post stuff that says "club source tells me"
Not “Doug Melvin tells me”. If Melvin doesn’t want to give information anonymously, that’s fine. But there are plenty of papers out there who would be pissed if their beat writer wasn’t trying to break news.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's arguing?
I’m simply saying that Hairston outperforming Yuni is likely, but not a given.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Actually, its a given.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not what I'm arguing
I’d like him to start at 2B over Lopez. Not sure if he can handle SS on a FT basis.
I was basically saying that having Harriston sit in lieu of Counsell or Kotsay isn’t a big deal in a 1 or 2 game sample. Counsell and Kotsay need ABs too.
Get a ife broseph
I disagree that Counsell needs ABs
and I guarantee you Hairston will be an upgrade at SS.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
Harmann’s post on ROS ZiPS wOBA has a flaw in Green’s calculation as the coefficient should be 1.75. That changes Greens ROS to .331.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's on the team, he needs ABs
They will eventually need him to bat in a PH situation and can’t have a guy who hasn’t swung the bat in 3 weeks taking that AB.
Hairston is 35, you can guarantee he can stay healthy and play SS all year?
Get a ife broseph
I actually said I guarantee he will be an upgrade.
and I don’t know how you think SS is somehow more physically demanding than 2B or 3B, or at least enough so that you would have to ask whether he can stay healthy playing there. If you’re going to ask that question, it should be about all fielding positions, right?
Also, there are 52 games left this season. You think a guy at 35 can’t play 1/3 of a major league season? Counsell did it at 39, I’m sure Hairston can do it.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I have my doubts
Outliers like Counsell really aren’t relevant, in general SS see a decline around 32-34.
SS is more demanding because of the needed range, arm and of course the double play situation – basically more chances for things to go wrong than almost every other position (besides catchers).
Perhaps it is worth the shot? I’d rather have him play over Flip for the reasons above, but definitely see your point.
Get a ife broseph
Yep. That's how.
good lord.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Explain?
You posted:
Overall you’re arguing against Hairston starting
MooseHaas responded to that post saying “thanks for injecting sense into this”
I think Hairston would make a fine starter – would it be fair to say that you misunderstood my original argument? (you misunderstanding it was likely my fault)
Get a ife broseph
You must have failed to read my clarification post, right?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Here, I'll repost it for you
Maybe that’s not exactly right.
You’re defending RRR’s decision to start Kotsay and Counsell this weekend. You’re refraining from saying whether it would be a good idea to make Hairston the starting SS or 3B. But I’ll say it: Hairston should start at 3B or SS. He would be an upgrade over the UTIs we have there.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I was responding to MooseHaas
Not your clarification.
You seem to be a little aggressive/fired up this afternoon, I’ll back off.
Get a ife broseph
Its because you're being nitpicky about things that you obviously don't need clarification on
or at least it seems that way.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Charlie is always fired up
Not a bad thing. I just don’t think I’ve ever seen you post with a non-aggressive tone.
Of course, you could probably say the same thing about me.
This is a strawman
If he’s giving people a day off, that’s clearly fine. I question whether they should considering how many days off the Brewers will see in the next 7 days, but okay.
It’s not putting in the best possible replacement when that replacement is clearly not fatigued that’s the issue.
Of course its a strawman
Its in response to a strawman.
I thought it wasn’t a controversial statement to say that every bench player needs occasional starts, but apparently it was.
Get a ife broseph
Are we in agreement that Counsell, even with regular playing time, is virtually worthless as a major league hitter at this point?
If so, is he somehow going to get more worthless if he stops getting regular ABs?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
meaning he has a few more at bats to prove himself
before he gets dfa’d. I almost saw the start as a last chance fro Counsell to prove he can still hit. I don’t care how good your defense is. If you can’t get on top of a fastball anymore, you’re not worth a roster spot.
There was a legitimate case to be made for him before the Lopez and JHJ acquistions
Even I can’t really justify Counsell’s presence on the roster now.
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Yeah, if he's not going to be a late inning defensive replacement there isn't much use
I guess my thinking is that if he’s on the 25 man, he is at some point going to have to get important ABs, and you want to give him a chance to succeed in those situations.
Get a ife broseph
Defense + veteran intangibles (I know we make fun of the phrase, but I do think World Series experience/clubhouse leadership can have some value). Just stop giving him so many PA!
I don’t mean to pick on Josh Wilson, but he’s the guy on the roster who seems least valuable to me when Weeks comes back. Not a great defender and do you really want him PHing ever?
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by SRB on Aug 2, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Speak of the devil
He’s starting today. I, too, am surprised he’s on the team, but there’s always the argument, “who would be better?” They’ve shown little inclination to bring up Green, Gamel or Boggs.
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Is he the new 2B starter against LHP?
It almost makes me cry thinking about the gap in production between him and Rickie against LHP.
Get a ife broseph
With the way he's been used
I think ANYONE would be better. I mean, I was under the impression that he was picked up so we could use someone to pinch hit for Yuni in late innings, then slide Wilson in at SS. That hasn’t happened.
We use him the way most teams use their backup catcher.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
He was there as Yuni's back-up
And Roenicke was/is playing the “hot hand” at SS. Wilson was hot, then was pulled and Yuni’s been “hot” almost ever since.
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When was Wilson hot?
I’m not trying to argue, I just can’t remember.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
The time he hit the HR against the Marlins?
That’s enough for me to remember him fondly.
Get a ife broseph
His two consecutive starts at SS during the Rockies series
Went 2 for 4 both games, but Yuni got the start the next game.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Which was a lie, since he started Betancourt the game after
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup, I was really really pissed about that at the time.
I think Wilson would have been better than Betancourt this year if they had given him the bulk of the playing time.
Probably not a lot better but still.
For your health!
Using "hot" in a loose sense.
I guess I was thinking of 7/16-7/17 against Colorado. He went 3-for-8 in the place of Yuni at SS. That was actually the turning point for Yuni. He started his 8-game hitting streak starting 7/18.
Rock mentioned immediately that Yuni’s form at the plate was better. He stopped picked up his back foot when trying to drive a ball and he’s been keeping his head down.
One could make an argument that he temporarily became coachable. It’s actually the only time over the last 3 years when his starting role was challenged so there might be some truth to it.
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You bring up a good point.
Someone finally made it clear to him that if he didn’t get his head out of his ass and at least try to do what the coaches told him, he was not going to be a starting shortstop anymore. It took Ron a long time, but I’m glad he made that call at some point.
That's my theory, anyway
When the statistics stop making sense, one has to look for exogenous factors to try to explain the new trend.
There was a distinct change in behavior on Yuni’s hitting stats starting 7/18. Yuni being challenged as a starter and Yuni picking up his game coincidentally happened at the time. Is that truly a coincidence?
That’s really the basis for my newfound confidence in him that drives some people nuts around here.
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by ecocd on Aug 2, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone else mute the TV when Rock goes on his "Yuni his hot" rant?
He might be hot, I’m too pissed at him for bring absolutely nothing to the team in April, May and June to hear him praised for 5 minutes straight.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 2, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Until he proves me otherwise
I’m considering him a good offensive SS for the time being. His defense still leaves alot to be desired, but if he can at least provide something, I feel like he’s beating expectations coming into the year.
He’s never going to take a ton of walks, but he has been showing increased patience. Which I think shows an attitude adjustment, and not just simply luck.
No, he'll regress again
don’t worry.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
We can only hope it doesn't cost the team the game when it happens
and with how his defense already costs games…
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Counsell really wouldn't both me if he came in and played every 8th and 9th inning for Yuni (if Yuni's spot wasn't coming up)
That might actually provide some decent value to the team.
Get a ife broseph
He should really retire before he sets that record. Not exactly how you want to go out.
For your health!
You also don't exactly want to go out just because you're about to set the record
Counsell doesn’t exactly strike me as the kind of guy who is going to retire at 0-46 just to guarantee he doesn’t set a new record. I’d say retiring that way is even worse.
I dunno. If he retired before it happened, people wouldn't remember that he was on the verge of the record for very long.
If he sets the record though, his name will brought up every time anyone goes into a long hitless streak.
For your health!
Who the hell else is going to be given 40 opportunities to get a hit and fail
and still get 9 or more to break a record? The world will end with CC still owning this record unchallenged.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Aug 2, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
50 year old Albert Pujols will wrest this record away.
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Maybe
although they’ve stated that Hairston would be an infield backup and maybe start a few times in CF.
That tells me they think they acquired a bench player.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't they also state that K-Rod and Axford would be splitting closer and setup duties as well?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
What's your angle here?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
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by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
That what they say isn't worth much, presumably.
That they don’t put much value into being honest with the media/fans, so what they say publicly can rarely be taken at face value.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Oh
I guess I don’t see how that proves anything…since what they said they’re doing with Hairston…they’re doing.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
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by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh, what?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It's only been a few games since he's been with the team
so, it’s still possible that they could use him in a bigger role.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Oh I thought you were referring to sample sizes, like we do when referring to the reliability of statistics.
If you’re keeping track, every game since they acquired him, the Brewers have used Hairston the way they said they would.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, I'm willing to give them a few days leeway
I can see the merits to not taking a guy coming into a team in the middle of the season and slotting him into arguably the toughest defensive position.
bullpen
Is it just me, or has Loe been really good lately?
Actually, the whole bullpen has been incredible since the All-Star game. Besides that wild pitch two days ago, when was the last time they gave up a run?
"I don't even know who Bryce Harper is — hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!" -Nyjer Morgan
21.1 IP, 2.53 ERA, .545 OPS against since his 5 ER explosion on June 8
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Loe has been better
but he’s also not pitching as much and not facing LHBs.
As far the bullpen, the last time they gave up a run before the wild pitch by K-Rod was the day before (7/30). Estrada gave up a run to the Astros.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
i'd agree that he's not pitching as much,
but those numbers used since June8 do include a month before K-Rod showed up, so he was still getting more use for a month and being effective. definitely think that maybe having the 2nd half to get his confidence back could help if he is back the 8th inning next year…
just read through the Fangraphs power rankings...
and i understand trying to quantify how good the team is, but i dont get that they use the fan’s preseason rankings of teams as an input piece, what good does that tell you? it would only seem to make teams expected to be good look even better and teams that overperforming/unexpectedly good possibly look worse than they really are. not that i’m a big pirates believer, but how can they have the pirates as 27?! they are currently behind the cubs, dodgers, and KC among others. i’d have to say that their power ranking needs a bit of work from first glance…
The Langrehr article about luck is reaching...
The only ones I could tag with luck are 6, 7, and 10. I didn’t see 8, but that doesn’t seem like luck per se. The other ones are primarily execution or lack of execution plays.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 2, 2011 11:59 AM CDT reply actions
isn't lack of execution of a play for one team luck for the other?
not to get picky, but if a team misplays a normal play and benefits the other team, i’d consider that lucky, unless you’re only considering luck as things entirely out of human control…
Agree to disagree
I’d go with maxximus02’s interpretation of luck in this case.
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Just a run down a few of the plays he lists as luck:
1. In the Brewers’ 5-run 5th inning, Ron Roenicke called for the hit-and-run with Yuniesky Betancourt at first and Casey McGehee up to bat. McGehee rifled one to right, nearly hitting the running Betancourt in the process. Betancourt made a heads-up play and narrowly dodged the ball, heading to third on the play.
Lucky? Maybe the ball nearly hitting Yuni, but a hit-and-run is something that can be executed, and should be executed, at a high school level. I don’t see an element of luck here.
2. In the same inning, with Betancourt on third and McGehee on first, Jonathan Lucroy hit a high chopper over the head of David Freese. Freese was drawn in on the play — if he was playing at normal depth, the ball doesn’t get past him. Betancourt wasn’t running on contact, instead electing to wait for the ball to get past Freese.
I think the RRR squeeze plays are paying off. But seriously, failure to position or positioning a player in anticipation of something is out of the realm of luck. Poor decision by TLR doesn’t mean we were lucky.
3. On the same play, McGehee was able to go first to third when Matt Holliday’s throw to the infield came in weak and didn’t hit a cutoff man. McGehee never stopped running and made it into third without a throw.
Poor execution. Borderline luck due to mental error, but even then I don’t think luck is an issue with this one.
I could do more, especially considering 4 and 5 are huge stretches. I just think people don’t want to give the Brewers credit for whatever reason. We’ve gone from blanket luck for our 7 game win streak against poor competition to micro-managing the luck in a single game.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 2, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure I agree with
But seriously, failure to position or positioning a player in anticipation of something is out of the realm of luck
My son’s baseball team bunted all the time. They were the only 9 year old team that ever bunted. They would bunt for hits a good amount of the time. In fact, my son had 9 RBI in three games one week from bunting. The reason they bunted is because no one expected them to…because 9 year old teams DON’T FRIGGIN’ BUNT (sorry, still irritated with the coach).
In any case, the same applies here. You take your chances (chance=luck, no?) that your defensive positioning works out.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we should change it to the Brewers were "fortunate" in many occasions.
- was good luck in the sense that it would’ve been bad luck had it hit Yuni. It was fortunate that it didn’t hit him.
- was good luck because ground balls extremely rarely go over an IF’s head. You’re right that he was out of position for an unusually high chopper. It was fortunate that the ball was chopped so unusually high.
- was good luck, because McGehee should’ve looked for the throw rather than running head down. He’s made a ton of those boneheaded base running errors this year. The Brewers were fortunate that the throw was poor and he wasn’t gunned down at 3rd.
I’ll agree that 4 wasn’t strictly luck, but the Brewers were fortunate that the Cardinals 2B didn’t rotate to first like he was supposed to have.
Maybe they weren’t lucky, per se, but they were certainly fortunate to be in the position they were in.
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Idk why it does that...
lol pisses me off.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 2, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
"was good luck in the sense that it would’ve been bad luck had it hit Yuni"
agreed on this and this is exactly why i think it’s luck, it would’ve been bad luck if it hits him, so it should be good luck if it doesnt. luck is chance, as was also stated. it’s lucky that STL was positioned how they were (which also wasn’t necessarily the wrong positioning) or Yuni didn’t get hit by the grounder…
I don't know about that being bad luck.
Depends on how long Yuni is out from being hit.
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by Yar Nivek on Aug 2, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it just wants to emphasize that all of your points are equally valid.
It goes back to the Kyle approving all comments thing from yesterday.
And I could live with the fortunate explanation...
luck to me involves chance or accident. Out of the realm of human control.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 2, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, so just to play devil's advocate...
pretty much anything can be determined as being within human control outside of the weather, no?
also, just for fun, per webster dictionary:
Fortunate
Synonyms: fluky (also flukey), fortuitous, happy, heaven-sent, lucky, providential
:-D
The ball bounced the right way for the Brewers last night.
It happens. I for one really enjoyed the Pujuol’s at bat when his check swing resulted in a 2-unassisted. Was it lucky? I don’t care, but I sure as hell was entertained by it.
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The doughnut Pence had on his bat was really small, to be fair.
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Had to refresh to see who got it in first
*in before TWSS
by cwolf20 on Aug 2, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's the general policy on animated gifs from game footage?
I’m guessing it’s not allowed, just want to make sure.
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Now that I think about it
The main thing is that you have to title the post, so people can collapse it if it’s lagging the thread.
If they are too long, Selig sends a guy out to chop your pinky off as punishment
So be careful
Get a ife broseph
I think it's generally
“Would MLB care?” A 5 second clip in the comments section of a Brewers blog isn’t worth MLB Legal’s time. Post every out from Greinke’s outing yesterday and it might get some attention.
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It's just a gif of the Pujols out from last night where Lucroy tagged him out.
Probably around 5 seconds…
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The word "legal" is what scares me there.
That’s why I’d rather have confirmation of yes/no from Kyle.
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Also, it's around 2 MB...
…so definitely could cause some lagging here.
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Might just want to forget it then
what with potential legal ramifications, and maybe Kyle would be mad, and the lag and all.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
or just a link to it?
Bernie: I seem to have lost my sense of direction!
Kermit: Have you tried Hare Krishna?
The lag more than the legal
2 MB is a bit much for a Mug. If MLB cared enough to have that clip in exclusivity, they would’ve made it an embed-able clip. It’s part of Hawkins’ 2 IP clip up on mlb.com for anyone that missed it, though.
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Then attribute it.
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This was my first attempt making a gif.
Believe me, 2 MB was better than what it originally was.
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If that's the case,
the question shouldn’t be “is it legal?” or “would it slow down the site?” Rather, the pertinent question is “do you want the kids to see negative things?”
by CoreySLC on Aug 2, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If MLB cared, Lookout Landing would have been taken down a long time ago.
And they get more traffic than BCB.
Still a valid question from _JP_, imo
We don’t do much of that on this site.
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I think he was asking because he didn't want to get in trouble with Kyle
not whether MLB would care. Although the first depends on the second, I suppose.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
We've had .gifs of game action on here plenty, as well.
Kyle’s only concern with .gifs, I’m sure, is overuse in a thread in which case that thread could slow down immensely.
Yep
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, this is pretty much it.
I don’t want 100 animated gifs in every thread, so I ask people to post them sparingly and give them a title so they can be collapsed.
I don’t see a legal issue.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I think the video link given above is better.
Besides, I think the only reason some people wanted a gif originally is so they could use it every time they wanted to mock Pujols. This might be posting gold to them….
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Yeah,
that would go on my FB for my family in St Louis…
Bernie: I seem to have lost my sense of direction!
Kermit: Have you tried Hare Krishna?
Sports orgs aren't big on "Fair Use"
They typically go hard after any usage, fair or not. It’s a real annoyance for people specializing in IP law, because it’s clearly an abuse of the DMCA; it’s just never worth the effort to fight it in the courts so people just take the clips down.
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Yeah, I guess there’s a big debate about this with MLB.
But still, it’s OK to post, you just have to take it down if they ask you to take it down.
Fine, here's the link.
It’s not the greatest quality, and it’s my first attempt at making a gif.
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Rangers DFA LHP Athur Rhodes
He’s a billion years old but might be of interest to the Brewers for the LHP/LOOGY role.
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Arthur Rhodes*
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by SRB on Aug 2, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
A billion years old?
He’d have a lot to chat about with Corey Hart then…
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When the first primitive life form crawled out of the primordial sea, Arthur Rhodes was there. When the great meteor wiped out millions of years of dinosaur evolution, Arthur Rhodes was there. When Corey Hart emerged from his cave after a thunderstorm and discovered fire, Arthur Rhodes was there. When the 2011 Milwaukee Brewers win the World Series for the first time in franchise history, Arthur Rhodes… will probably be retired or something, he might be worth a look as a LOOGY though.
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by SRB on Aug 2, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He could be picked up
but would he be available for the post-season? I don’t remember when the deadline is for having a player on the 25-man roster to be eligible for the post-season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I think it's August 31.
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by SRB on Aug 2, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Except for players on the 60-day DL
This is actually relevant with Gomez and Stetter this year.
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Forgot he was an All-Star last year
Looks like the Ks and velocity are down this year.
Would expect them to try out some LOOGY soon, not sure if they jump at Rhodes or not.
Get a ife broseph
I would love to see an 'available LOOGYs breakdown'
if anyone has the time to do it … it really seems like our last piece to add, and I’d be shocked if Tim Dillard weren’t DFA’d to try out at least one reclamation-project lefty in the next few weeks.
I'm surprised that they haven't even given Herrera another shot
He’s pitching well in Nashville since his demotion, and Dillard is just gathering dust in the bullpen.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I'm pretty sure Dillard's vintage will be ready for uncorking soon.
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You must be expecting a blowout soon
I’m hoping it’s the kind that has us getting the W.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
No.
I literally think Dillard is a fine wine that Narron has been aging to perfection
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When Berkman came up to bat in the late innings last night, The Braunophile announced, without prompting, "Fat Elvis!"
I love my kid.
I watched the game at my parents house last night, and I explained the fat elvis thing to her.
The next time he came up to bat, she goes, “Hey, it’s fat Elvis!”
http://www.mlbsoup.com
It would be even more awsome if it was from the real tony plush, but....
Per Tony_Plush
Plush notices the St. Lous Post-Dispatch misspelled “Plushdamentals”. Tsk-tsk, disrespecting the game.
What's worse is that it's in the headline.
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So, that means he's batting 2nd I take it
Prince: "Brewers will win the World Series and I'll sign a 10-year deal in Milwaukee"
Braun: "Well, I guess there's just one thing to do then..."
by SAE on Aug 2, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It makes sense, though, given the batting order
He’s an on-base before slugging Guy. He fits as a #2, regardless of fitting the Money Order lineup.
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The money order has been slightly altered
Tonight it’s RF, CF, LF, 1B, 3B, SS, C, 2B.
Baby steps, Ron, baby steps.
Back to McGehee "protecting" Fielder
sigh I guess I shouldn’t want to tempt fate about moving Yuni very far from where he’s been seeing success. It’s sad that McGehee might be the best fit in the 5th slot since Roenicke refuses to play Lucroy that high.
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Is it really worse than Lopez protecting Fielder?
Agreed, it would be nice if Lucroy got a shot, and at this point Yuni even; however, I have very little confidence in it. I find it more likely that Mcgehee returns to form than Ron actually moves Luc or Yuni up to 5th.
I looked it up earlier
McGehee has good numbers against Garcia, small sample size of course
Prince: "Brewers will win the World Series and I'll sign a 10-year deal in Milwaukee"
Braun: "Well, I guess there's just one thing to do then..."
by SAE on Aug 2, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Random thought
Maybe not the most topical issue, but I wonder if Oakland is going to look to dump Daric Barton now that they traded for Brandon Allen (and with Chris Carter too)? He’s been terrible this year but was worth 5.1 fWAR last season. Interesting 2012 option for us maybe in addition to Gamel.
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Article on the right sidebar about Counsell's streak
They guy who wrote this obviously has no business writing about the Brewers or Craig Counsell. To highlight:
1. He wasn’t aware that Counsell changed his stance until he started writing the article. He then goes on to suggest that changing his stance was a bad move because 4 years later he’s on an 0-45 streak. He obviously is choosing to ignore those 3 career years CC had in between.
2. He wonders why Counsell doesn’t get booed, and asks why he doesn’t get a reaction similar to Chone Figgins does when he bats at home. Apparently he’s not aware that Counsell’s from Wisconsin and has long been a fan favorite.
by uwbadgers on Aug 2, 2011 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he was being entirely serious.
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by SRB on Aug 2, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You could be right
I thought for the most part it was somewhat serious up until the end when it said his other 1200 hits could have been flukes. Maybe the whole thing was filled with sarcasm and I just need to get my detector checked.
Also, its just a fanpost
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahh, Thanks.
I wasn’t aware of that, for some reason I thought it was someone with some kind of credentials.
yessir
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 2, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're referring to the Jeff Sullivan article, it's not a Fanpost but an article on the SB Nation main site (he's an editor at SB Nation)
He also runs the Lookout Landing (Mariners) blog and is really good.
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by SRB on Aug 2, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea I was referring to that one.
If he wasn’t being serious, then my sarcasm detector is broken, and it’s a pretty well written article. If he was being serious, he knows nothing about Craig Counsell and, even if he’s a normally good writer, he should probably stick to what he knows.
Counsell's also not getting paid Figgy-type money to suck so badly
I think Bill Hall heard a few boos before he was released.
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