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Some things to read while taking a victory lap.

The Brewers played their 17th game in 16 days yesterday and looked like a team that needs a day off as they sleepwalked through a 2-0 loss to the Pirates. The Crew went 0-for-10 with runners in scoring position in the game: If they'd managed one hit in those situations, we might be talking about a strong ending to the road trip.

Yuniesky Betancourt was yesterday's LVP and frustrations with him are starting to mount once again. He went 0-for-4 yesterday and is now hitting .136/.156/.273 over his last eleven games. Here's today's Yuni Notes:

Other notes from the field:

  • Jason Grilli, Aaron Thompson and Yuniesky Betancourt are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
  • The Brewers and Pirates will face each other one more time, during the final week of the season.

The Brewers will get a 48 hour-plus break between the end of yesterday's game and tomorrow night, when they'll open a three game series against the Cubs at Miller Park. Joey Nowak of MLB.com has the preview.

Obviously yesterday's performance lowered these numbers a bit, but they're still worth noting: Given a runner on third and less than two outs the Brewers score a run 53% of the time, which is slightly better than the NL average (51%). I guess this is one of those cases where it just feels like they're below average. (h/t @JeffFletcher1)

With off days today and Monday, the Brewers won't need a fifth starter again until September 3. As such, they've decided to move Chris Narveson to the bullpen for a few days. Adam McCalvy speculated that the decision was made to see if Narveson can handle a role he'd likely fill in the playoffs. He's holding lefties to a .219/.330/.344 line this season.

If you're headed outside the state of Wisconsin this weekend, I have some good news for you: Sunday's Brewers-Cubs game has been picked up by TBS and will be a national broadcast (FanShot). The game will still air locally on FS Wisconsin.

The national broadcast could help some fans jump onto the Brewer bandwagon. If they still need more help, Baseball Nation has a suggestion.

The Brewers surprised me with a transaction announcement yesterday: Felipe Lopez, who was DFA'd to make room for Chris Narveson earlier this week, has cleared waivers and the team is outrighting him to Nashville instead of releasing him (FanShot). His chance of getting another shot on this roster is virtually nil, so I assumed the organization would just cut ties.

Elsewhere in roster moves: Jim Breen of Bernie's Crew has a look at players the Brewers may consider calling up on September 1. Passengers on the Taylor Green bandwagon may be disappointed by his projections.

Meanwhile, don't expect to see Manny Parra or Zach Braddock again this season. Parra is going to undergo surgery to replace a screw in his elbow, while the reasons for Braddock's extended absence are still unknown.

In the minors:

  • The affiliates went 2-4 yesterday, and Dan Merklinger and Evan Anundsen combined to pitch 12 innings without allowing an earned run in Huntsville and Brevard County victories. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
  • Bob Brainerd of Time Warner Cable Sports 32 has a feature on Wisconsin pitcher Brooks Hall.

Around baseball:

Astros: Placed pitcher Sergio Escalona on the DL with elbow tendonitis.
Diamondbacks: Designated infielder Cody Ransom for assignment.
Pirates: Placed outfielder Ryan Ludwick on the DL with back spasms.
Rockies: Designated infielder Ryan Rohlinger for assignment.

You know about Ludwick and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central.

One of the internet's coolest baseball projects is going on right now, so please stop by to help out with The Book Blog's Fan Scouting Report if you have a moment. I was the fourth person to submit an evaluation for the Brewers at roughly 9:30 this morning.

This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History celebrates Rollie Fingers' 65th birthday. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the anniversary of the highwater mark in franchise history: On this day in 1983 the Brewers won to bring their all-time record to 1118-1214. They haven't been that close to .500 since.

I'm not sure I can accurately preview this without spoiling it, so you're just going to have to trust me when I tell you to go read this post at Where Have You Gone, Andy Van Slyke. (h/t @jh_moore)

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to know who's responsible for this beer.

Drink up.

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Defensive runs saved

The twitterverse is a buzz by the 24 Defensive Runs Saved by Brewers center field, and all the credit is going to Plush. Just to clarify it, the value is wrong and the DRS value is wrong.

Gomez: 16 DRS. 506.1 Innings.
Plush: 9 DRS. 536.1 Innings.
JHJ: -1 DRS. 61 Innings.
Kotsay: -1 DRS. 52 Innings.
Boggs: 0 DRS. 9 Innings.
Carroll: 0 DRS. 8 Innings.

So that’s a grand total of 22 DRS of which the heavy lifter is Gomez. Say what you will about his non existent bat, but that dude can play some serious defense. I hope Brewers nation accepts him for what he is during the playoff push, a wizard with the glove.

by SgtClueLs on Aug 25, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Maybe I'm doing it wrong...

but 16+9=25
25-1-1=23

Where did you get 22?

by PJLizard on Aug 25, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

So math isn't in your "fiery Latin type O blood"?

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 25, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got on this bandwagon in April

Yuni made me realize that Gomez isn’t that bad.

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 25, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually watching Gomez play made me realize he isn't bad

The only rally animal I ever want to see has a name, and that name is Gorman, dammit.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 25, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

And when you can tell someone's defense is good just by watching them

You know they’re damn good.

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by ecocd on Aug 25, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lopez

Won’t he be a september call-up with Gomez, Weeks, Gamel? …honestly i don’t know how much the rosters expand though…

by Dexsting on Aug 25, 2011 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd assume so

The Bernie’s Crew article was likely written before he cleared and was sent to Nashville.

I seem to remember Melvin mentioning that Green would be up in September, so that wouldn’t surprise me at all, not sure Bernie’s Crew is being so negative about that possibility.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 25, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, to add

I’d be really surprised if they don’t call up a 3rd catcher.

Besides a possible PH appearance from Gamel, I don’t think any of these guys are going to see high leverage situations or significant playing time.

More of insurance in case of injury, a really long extra inning game, or in the case of Peralta, Scarpetta or Green – a chance to experience MLB life for a month as they’ll be counted on in the future.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 25, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Not sure if it will Maldonado or Rivera, but having a third catcher will allow RR to use Kottaras as a PH earlier in games without worrying about not having a backup catcher.

I hope with all the extra bats on the bench, RR won’t hesitate to use them instead of simply having the pitcher bat for himself then turning around and bringing in a reliever.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 25, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

definately

with as many times as he has done already this year. I would think Rivera is almost a certainty.

aaaaah, I gotta go!!

by b3nihana on Aug 25, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Roster can expand up to 40

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 25, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

What? No.

I have no idea who that even is.

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Former Jackass member

who died when he crashed his Porsche driving drunk.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 25, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know this is early...

…but the thought came up into my head and I can’t get it out now. I want to be there on the day when the Brewers clinch the NL Central. If things hold up, it looks like the most likely time would be the last road trip of the season (meaning they clinch away from Miller Park). If things go well, the Colorado series is a possibility. What I’m wondering right now is what the chances are of them clinching on the 10th or 11th against the Phillies. Those would be the only two games I could get to and watch them clinch.

By my calculations, for that to even be possible, the magic number needs to be at most 4 entering that Philadelphia series. That means in the next 12 games for the Brewers, that magic number needs to decrease by 18. Let’s think positive and say the Brewers go 9-3 in that stretch. Is it possible that the Cardinals (or the second-place team, should the Cardinals fall out of second place) could lose nine games in the next 14 days?

I’m wondering if I will even have a chance to see it. It’s possible, but I wouldn’t put my chances at much higher than 20% right now (and that’s an optimistic projection).

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

It brings a smile to my face

that a Brewers fan could even be thinking of things like this at the end of August.

by Wisfan on Aug 25, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just saw this article on ESPN.com

It must be Nyjer Morgan week. ESPN just put up their own story on him.
(Didn’t see a link to it in the Mug, and it was just published today.)

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Re: runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs

I was not surprised to also see on that page that the Brewers use pinch hitters on average in the lowest leverage situations in the NL

by nullacct on Aug 25, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Enough with the Yuni hating

When I see Yuni misplay a grounder or have a bad AB I am completely comforted by the fact that he is here because Zach is here. Zach ef-ing Grienke is a Brewer and we are in first place by a mile at the end of August. How awesome is that?

Everybody knew going into the season that Yuni is a steaky, second half hitter, but a clutch hitter. Get over it.

by Yomes on Aug 25, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Clutch?

I don’t think anybody knew that, probably because it’s not true. Also, I wish he was a steaky hitter, that would be delicious and at least we’d be getting something out of him.

by uwbadgers on Aug 25, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

The 2010 Royals and the dozens of fans

who watched their games last season knew he had a tendancy to deliver in the clutch.

by Yomes on Aug 25, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's weird.

Yuni, career in high leverage situations:.260/.285/.382.
Yuni, career: .270/.294/.392.

Yuni, 2010 in high leverage situations: .262/.290/.408
Yuni, 2010 overall: .259/.288/.405

So in other words, he had a tendency to come through in the clutch…at about the same level as his tendency to come through in other situations.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Aug 25, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

Aggregate metrics always explain everything. I don’t know why people even bother watching games when you can just look at the final stats at the end of the season.

by Yomes on Aug 25, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

So to sum up your argument:

He is clutch. There really is no proof, other than that you say he looked clutchy in 2010, which was coincidentally a career year. Hell, if we are only looking at 2010, can we say he’s the best offensive shortstop in the game besides maybe Tulowitzki?

by uwbadgers on Aug 25, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't actually watch games or look at stats

I prefer to take the word of whatever SB Nation commentators say.

Yomes has watched him play before and says he was clutch. Your spreadsheets are meaningless to me. I believe whatever Yomes tells me.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 25, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was a clutch reply.

Even though this was a post about me being an idiot, it did make me laugh.

by Yomes on Aug 25, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, my argument (sans sarcasm) is this

1) Yuni delivers clutch/important hits. You can see this by looking at any of his box scores from 2010 or 2011.

2) Citing no difference in the stats between “high leverage” vs “overall” situations is not proof of anything. Basic logic: Absence of Proof is not Proof.

by Yomes on Aug 25, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're missing the point

The stats indicate that he hits about the same in both high and low leverage situations.

Yes, that means that he will come through once in a while in high leverage situations, but not any more often than in low leverage situations.

Usually when someone is deemed a “clutch hitter”, it means that he hits better in high leverage situations (i.e. rises to the occasion).

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 25, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I may be blanking on some stuff....

But besides the homer against the Rockies, how many clutch hits has Yuni really had this year? (Especially outside of his short time of being amazing)

by uwbadgers on Aug 25, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That wasn't in a high-leverage situation

Second inning of a scoreless game, with no one on. It might have been important in retrospect, but that doesn’t make it clutch.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 25, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know, very aware of when he hit it

It turned out to be the difference, and if you wanted to believe Yuni was clutch, you’d pick this game out.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 26, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

poing.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't think anyone wants to waste the time watching every game

that Yuni played in last season to see how clutch he was.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 25, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has a .581 OPS with runners on base, .615 OPS with RISP.

Using B-R’s Leverage classification, in High Leverage situations he has a .522 OPS.

Did he lose his “clutchi-ness” with the move to Milwaukee?

I’m pretty much done fighting it, he’s the SS and people just have to get used to it. Doesn’t mean its not frustrating as hell to watch.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 25, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, He is over 3 pitches per AB. So he has that going for him.

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-Tex Winter

by stork02 on Aug 25, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't care if Yuni sucks that much

if he’s sucking sunflower seeds on the bench.

The point is that (especially when Rickie comes back) we have a better option who should be getting 90% of the playtime at that position. Yuni is Yuni – he’s not gonna change. But we can continually point to evidence that RRR should swap him out for JHJ and CC regularly.

by Archibaldcrane on Aug 25, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zach ef-ing Grienke is not a Brewer

1) Zack Grienke is.

2) Luis Cruz > Yuni B. Could have told the Royals to keep their “clutch” hitter.

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 25, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

But then the trade would be unfair.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 25, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll agree with your point that everyone knew Yuni is bad. And I'll agree with your point that the Brewers had to take him to get Greinke.

But just because they have him doesn’t mean they have to use him every single day.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Aug 25, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This

Just because they had to take him doesn’t even mean that he has to be on the roster.

by uwbadgers on Aug 25, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Case in point:

Remember when the Brewers traded Johnny Estrada to the Mets for Guillermo Mota? The Mets didn’t actually want Estrada. In fact, they non-tendered him before he’d even put on a uniform.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Aug 25, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the Mets saved money

by not having to convert a tent into a uniform so Estrada could fit into it.

Brewers:
10 games ahead of the Uptight Citizens Brigade
1/2 game behind the Braves for the Wild Card Safety Net
6 games ahead of Arizona to avoid the Phils in the 1st round

by molitorfan on Aug 25, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

beautiful imagery

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by schmita91 on Aug 25, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. But maybe...

Who was our last SS that we thought sucked so badly? Maybe we can get him back… What was his name? “JayJay Handy” or something like that? I bet he’s selling used cars by now. Let’s give him a call.

by Yomes on Aug 25, 2011 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I assume that you reply failed to me.

Recent memory makes me think of another “clutch” player. I can seem to remember him coming from the state of Missouri too. What was his name? Oh yeah Jeff Suppan.

Also I would like to know who said that Hardy sucked this bad. Hardy was always at least passable in the field. (I would argue better than passable too)

Also what Kyle said. Just because he is currently on the team, doesn’t mean they need to play him.

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 25, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hardy's sucking was the exception to his career, Yuni's sucking is the norm.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, missed the reply...

I am of the opinion the Suppan was a key part of the playoff team, but that is probably an entirely different discussion.

My point in bringing up Hardy is that we interweb folk, expecially Brewers fans, always seem to get after 1 particular player for not putting up Ryan Braun, or CC Sabathia numbers. Archibaldcrane said it best “Yuni is Yuni”. Let’s not run him out of town just because he is putting up Yuni-type numbers. What else did you expect? We are in first, so something must be going right.

He does provide power from and Clutch hits (probably due to his wreckless/thoughtless ABs) from the SS position.

I just don’t think it is fair to single out a player (one of Our Brewers) and blog daily about our perception of his ineptitude, when it very well may be the case that he is in some way a beneft to the club; just as JJ was a benefit when we were blogging about his days in the Majors were over.

by Yomes on Aug 25, 2011 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Yuni's not the worst player in MLB this season, I'll give you that at least.

The Hardy comparison makes no sense though. People thought Hardy’s days as a Brewer were over because he looked lost at the plate and we had the top shortstop prospect in all of baseball waiting in the minors. I don’t think anyone would have advocated dumping Hardy for Yuniesky Betancourt.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hardy trade

There seemed to be quite a bit of “all we got for him was Gomez?” talk too, so I don’t think we were that down on him.

Prince: "Brewers will win the World Series and I'll sign a 10-year deal in Milwaukee"
Braun: "Well, I guess there's just one thing to do then..."

by SAE on Aug 25, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he's so clutch...

then why does he have more games in the top 20 negative WPA by position players than any other Brewer…by a long shot.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 25, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you watch all those games?

I did, and I don’t need WPA or WAJSK or LSD to realize that he was clearly a clutch hitter.

by cwolf20 on Aug 25, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think LSD might help

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 26, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I typed it randomly by accident

But I left it when I realized how perfect it was.

by cwolf20 on Aug 26, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

"perception of his ineptitude"?

There’s actually quite a bit of statistical evidence that he is inept. From basic stats like BA/OBP/SLG to advanced stats like UZR and WAR. Kyle has already pointed out that his stats aren’t any better in high leverage situations than his norm.

You may be right that he might bring something to the club, but it’s not anything that’s measurable.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 25, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fixed
but it’s not anything that’s measurable AND positive

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 25, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just wondering about high leverage situations

Are there any players who have significantly better or worse stats in “high leverage situations?” i.e. is there any evidence of “clutchiness” in MLB?

Measurable: Yuni is hitting .300 since the break. Inept is a strong word here.

by Yomes on Aug 25, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Yuni is hitting .300 since the break. Inept is a strong word here."

Is this your first day here? His overall BA for the entire season is .257. Are you going to just completely not count the first half of the season where he hit like absolute garbage?

by cwolf20 on Aug 25, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also measurable

After his brief impression of a hitter he is 4 for 44 since.

by nullacct on Aug 26, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yuni is so bad

It makes me want to cry sometimes. I hate him.

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by ecocd on Aug 26, 2011 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like him, and I'm not stressing - yet

But when it comes down to a short series and he’s the one who ****s up and costs us a playoff game, people will rage.

by nullacct on Aug 26, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

The reason why I hate Yuni so much is that he is bad at everything and yet stays in the lineup.

Craig Counsell is about as bad as one can get at the plate, but still prefer him over Yuni because at least he plays defense well.

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 26, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then your hate should really be directed at RR

since he makes the lineup.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 26, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

He had 4 hits over the past five games (4 for 22).

However, since Aug 15 he’s gone 6 for 44.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 26, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also check out team win probability

Win Prob

He ranks second to last in the Clutch category. He also ranks near the bottom of every measureable advanced stat for the Brewers

by Junked on Aug 25, 2011 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

#1 - A prayer that he would get to the Brewers in the claiming process.

You would have to hope that every team other than the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, and Braves doesn’t want him.

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who needs another SS

That is in the position to make a claim. The Giants?

by proachinf on Aug 25, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cards, D'Backs, Braves and Giants could all make a claim

to block the Brewers.

And doesn’t it work that if you claim the guy, you dont even have to work out a deal. You can do it simply from keeping him from the Brewers. In which case, there is no harm to the Cards to do it or Giants or Dbacks.

And then the player cant go back on waivers again.

by backtocali on Aug 25, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team that posts him on waivers can unconditionally surrender the player.

The claiming team gets that player and his contract whether they wanted him or not. See: Rios, Alex.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 25, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But the acquiring team has to be awarded the claim first. And then the team that placed him on waivers still has the ability to want something in return.

Just trying to point out that the Brewers would first have to win the claim, and then be able to work out an acquistion that is to the Dodgers liking. And if they are not the winners, doesnt matter what the winner of the claim offers if their only goal was to prevent another team from acquring him.

by backtocali on Aug 25, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah

Just finally got your last point.

The bad thing about Rios was that he was owed a huge chunk of money, so if an unconditional surrender is a smart move for the Blue Jays there.

But for Carroll, he isnt owed that much, and if you wanted to block him from another team, an unconditional surrender doesnt hurt you all that much. And if you are the Dbacks, or Giants, or Braves, and want to block him from the Brewers, you actually wind up improving your team a bit in the end.

by backtocali on Aug 25, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm just saying there is a reason for teams to pass on waivers.

It’s not as simple as blocking every single player for the fun of it.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 25, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus, you probably don't want to piss off other GMs unless there's an actual incentive.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

They'd have to outright someone from their 25 man to take him, etc

They’d have to be prepared to make a roster move to accommodate him and not every team would want to do that.

There are TONS of players that hit waivers, teams rarely block unless the player is a game changer, and I don’t know if they view Carroll as a game changer.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 26, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

I don’t think Carroll is so much a game changer as he is someone to prevent Betancourt from being a game breaker.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 26, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Braves are currently ahead of the Brewers by record.

So they couldn’t block the Brewers.

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the order would be:

Houston
Chicago (NL)
Florida
San Diego
Pittsburgh
New York (NL)
Colorado
Washington
Cincinnati
St. Louis
San Francisco
Arizona
Milwaukee

Carroll is a free agent after this season, so I don’t know why any of the non-contenders would claim him. San Francisco already traded for Orlando Cabrera earlier (who sucks, but whatever), and Arizona just traded for John McDonald. I think the only big threat on paper would be St. Louis. You never know though.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And it would be a 100% spoiler move, given that they have Furcal and Schumaker.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, according to Uecker (or Provus) on one of the radio broadcasts during the Pirates series

Waiver rules were slightly altered in the offseason. The player’s original league (NL or AL) no longer has priority over the other. It’s completely based on win-loss record now.

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course, I can't find an article supporting this

However, I do remember clearly that it was said during a broadcast in this most recent series.

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't find anything supporting this.

Maybe I heard something wrong there. I’m certain that it was said during the broadcast, but the links I’ve checked mention no changes.

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, it looks like you are correct about the change.
Here’s how waivers work. A team places a player on waivers, and other teams have two working days to decide whether to place a claim. If multiple teams claim the player, the team with the worst record, regardless of league, is awarded the player. The two teams then have 48 hours to work out a deal or the original team is allowed to withdraw the player from the waivers. A claiming team cannot withdraw its claim.

link

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by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I were a non-contending team GM, I'd claim every Type A/B free agent and hope to net a comp pick or two from it.

But Carroll doesn’t project to make Type B status, so that’s not an issue here.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Aug 25, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worth a shot, I guess, but the original team would be dumb to give the player up for less than he’d be worth via compensation and then you’d just be making all the other GMs in baseball angry.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, but Melvin and Roenicke might actually let Carroll start at SS.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

And they might let JHJ start at SS too

Let’s wait and see what happens once Weeks gets back.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 26, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

That Van Slyke link

Is great.

Brewers:
10 games ahead of the Uptight Citizens Brigade
1/2 game behind the Braves for the Wild Card Safety Net
6 games ahead of Arizona to avoid the Phils in the 1st round

by molitorfan on Aug 25, 2011 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Just saw this national article with a little Yuni bashing

“It’s no surprise Jose Bautista, Prince Fielder(notes), Miguel Cabrera(notes) and David Ortiz(notes) have positive Pitch Type Values against all the pitches they’ve faced. It’s a big surprise that Casey Kotchman(notes) and Yunel Escobar(notes) are the other two.

Only two hitters have stunk against every pitch. (And one of them isn’t Adam Dunn! Bless the curveball, against which he’s 2.2 runs ahead.) Shortstops Orlando Cabrera(notes) and Yuniesky Betancourt(notes) are the winners in the couldn’t-hit-a-softball sweepstakes."

by PJLizard on Aug 25, 2011 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

How dare they.

Yuni could definitely hit a softball. He just couldn’t hit it out of the infield.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Yuni

has the defensive range of the keg that sits at second for the fun softball leagues.

Brewers:
10 games ahead of the Uptight Citizens Brigade
1/2 game behind the Braves for the Wild Card Safety Net
6 games ahead of Arizona to avoid the Phils in the 1st round

by molitorfan on Aug 25, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like football is in full swing again tonight.

Jets are beating the Raiders 22-9 in the top of the 9th…

…wait, that’s not right.

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Playing for Oakland

That’s gotta be demoralizing.

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by ecocd on Aug 25, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Granderson's Grand Slam

He hit the third one and it rated a .000WPA. Does a 7-1 lead now seem like the scariest lead to have?

by Junked on Aug 25, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously though, something is ticking me off right now.

I got two text messages from ESPN.com about the Yankees setting an MLB record with 3 grand slams in one game. If it wasn’t the Yankees (or Red Sox) who did this, would they even bother me with that?

It’s like all the text messages I get about almost every round of golf Tiger Woods plays even though I don’t subscribe to any golf updates. They consider that important breaking news and have to report it every time.

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by -JP- on Aug 25, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Here's one solution for that...

Stop subscribing to their texts.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 26, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hmm
@JoeStrauss Interesting waiver activity re: Cards star. Developing.

Albert Pujols traded to Washington Nationals for Cutter Dykstra.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 25, 2011 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Could certainly be Berkman or Molina

Both the Giants and Diamondbacks need a 1B and the Cardinals might be willing to give up draft compensation if they get something worthwhile in return. Depending upon the timing of the waiver, it would be interesting to see which one of them could claim Berkman first.

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by ecocd on Aug 25, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's possible that another team would claim before SF or ARI in an attempt to get picks.
dgoold Derrick Goold
Should be noted that Berkman could have hit his way into being a Type A, and #Cardinals are in position to get picks they need. #STLcards

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by tcyoung on Aug 26, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

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