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Corey Hart likely led the league in high fives this weekend.

Some things to read while fighting plaque.

Zack Greinke had another really good day on the mound yesterday, allowing just one run on four hits with two walks and seven strikeouts over 7.2 innings. He drew more attention, though, by becoming just the second Brewer pitcher ever to steal a base. Here are some notes on the accomplishment:

The Brewers, by the way, are 67-37 since Greinke came off the DL in May. Only Boston (68-35) has been better over that timeframe.

Meanwhile, the best Brewer performance this weekend might have belonged to Corey Hart, who reached base in ten straight plate appearances at one point. Hart went 3-for-3 with a double, triple and home run Saturday night, becoming the 31st major leaguer ever to get to that point in three at bats. Hart now has a hit in eleven straight games. He rounded the bases in 22.46 seconds after his home run Saturday, while Casey McGehee and Prince Fielder trotted in 22.22 and 21.22 seconds.

Fielder's home run, by the way, traveled an estimated 443 feet.

John Axford also had a busy weekend: He saved all three games in the series and is now just the second Brewer ever to record 40 in a season. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar noted that Axford is now tied with Derrick Turnbow for fifth on the Brewer all time list, and 14 behind Mike Fetters and Bob Wickman for third place. He also joins Eric Gagne as the only Canadian pitchers with 40 saves in a season.

Yesterday's save was Axford's 37th in a row, and that streak is really starting to become historically significant. It's the eighth longest in NL history and the 12th longest in MLB history, passing Randy Myers' streak from 1997-98. Axford allowed a home run yesterday for just the fourth time this season.

Other notes from the field:

We haven't even hit September yet and the Brewers already have 50 home wins. That's just four away from tying the franchise record. The JS notes that there have only been five teams in major league history to win 60 or more home games in a single season: The Brewers would need a 10-5 finish to join them.

This team could also make history in another way: Right now they have six more home wins (50) than the Astros have total wins (44). There have only been 17 teams in the last 49 years to win more often at home than another team wins overall.

The Brewers get another day off today before welcoming the Cardinals to town tomorrow. Tom Singer of MLB.com has the preview, and Danny Knobler of CBS Sports listed the series among his three to watch this week. Brewers in 11 has a series preview concept I wish I'd thought of.

Those of you that believe in some kind of curse regarding things like this may want to make alternate plans for Thursday afternoon: The Cardinals are planning on pitching rookie Brandon Dickson, in what will be his first major league start. Edwin Jackson and Jake Westbrook will start the other two games.

If you've lost track, the Brewers are now 2-0 with Taylor Green on the roster. He was called up following Friday's game and has been on the bench (but has not been used) the last couple of days (FanShot). Green's agent called his callup "one of the more special days in my career."

Ryan Braun had two hits yesterday and has multiple hits in four of his last five games to push his batting average to .334, the highest it's been since the first week in May. He's our reigning Brewer of the Week, and probably has a solid chance to repeat. Braun, Prince Fielder and John Axford are three of the five candidates on Brew Town Blog's NL Central MVP ballot.

David Golebiewski of Baseball Analytics has an interesting look at one factor in Braun's impressive season: He has heat maps showing Braun swinging significantly less often at fastballs up and in.

Prince Fielder went 0-for-4 and failed to draw a walk yesterday, but has still drawn 18 in 26 games in August. The JS notes that Fielder is easily the major league leader in intentional free passes this season. Someone has started a Facebook group calling for him to remain in Milwaukee.

Of course, Fielder and Braun aren't the only players on the field: Tyler Lockman of FS Wisconsin looks at some of the Brewers having more overlooked seasons.

Yuniesky Betancourt is one of the players I wish we could overlook. He went 0-for-3 yesterday to finish off an 0-for-11 weekend, and he's now 4-for his last 55. Ron Roenicke says Yuni is still contributing to this team, though.

It's possible the Brewers have been trying to acquire another shortstop lately: Doug Melvin told reporters he's been awarded two claims on trade waivers this August but was unable to work out a deal. In at least one case the other team has pulled the player back off waivers without even negotiating.

Lately it's newsworthy of the Brewers lose at all, much less two in a row: In-Between Hops notes that the Crew has gone 31 games without losing back-to-back contests, the second longest streak in franchise history. The longest streak was 34 games, set earlier this year.

Another day, another note on the suddenly spread out race in the NL Central: Today Harry Pavlidis of The Hardball Times has a look at the last month.

In the minors:

Sometime during the Cardinals series this week the Brewers will likely sell their 3 millionth ticket for 2011. Given this season's slow start that's a really notable accomplishment.

Today in power rankings: Craig Calcaterra of Hardball Talk has the Brewers steady at #4.

Elsewhere in rankings: Reviewing The Brew is working on a list of the five greatest mustaches in Brewer history. Bernie Brewer checks in at #5.

Around baseball:

Blue Jays: Designated pitcher Wil Ledezma for assignment and placed outfielder Colby Rasmus on the DL with a wrist injury.
Giants: Designated pitcher Clayton Tanner for assignment and placed outfielder Nate Schierholtz on the DL with a broken foot.
Indians: Placed pitcher Josh Tomlin (elbow soreness) and outfielder Michael Brantley (wrist) on the DL.
Mets: Placed infielder Scott Hairston on the DL with an oblique strain.
White Sox: Placed outfielder Carlos Quentin on the DL with a sore shoulder.

Every now and then we have a conversation about this on the site, so it seemed relevant enough for inclusion today. You'll very rarely hear me refer to the Brewers as "we," because I think it sounds a little weird for someone who has no affiliation with the organization to talk about them that way. Tim Thompson of the Janesville Gazette, however, has an opposing view.

The Brewers enter play today in a relatively interesting position. They're five games back of the Phillies (eight in the loss column), but they do have this going for them: The Phillies have to play 33 games in the next 31 days to close out their schedule. It's reasonable to believe they won't maintain their present pace through a stretch like that, which means there's a chance homefield advantage could come back into play.

In former Brewers:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some mocking to do.

Drink up.

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In other Yuni news:

A negative contribution is still technically a contribution.

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."

by GoGregGo on Aug 29, 2011 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Yuni has made positive contributions

Doughnuts don’t drive themselves to the park, you know.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Aug 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also, Telly is happy his brother is still on the team


"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

He seems to be able to get Greinke to smile

Normally, Greinke is pretty stone faced while on the field, but when he was pulled from the game, Yuni gave him a look and made him smile before he headed to the dugout.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its because Greinke is a better base stealer than Yuni

wasn’t he a SS when he was a position player? I also seem to remember (was it the Joe Posnanski article on Greinke?) that Zack wanted to be a position player, not a pitcher, but he was just so much better at pitching.

Here’s another fun tangent:

I am really hoping that Greinke signs an extension with the Brewers. People absolutely love him here, there’s not a huge media microscope, it seems as if he enjoys it here and…dammit…they’re winning with him! It has to feel great to finally be on a really, really good team.

I’m fine with Prince leaving. If we can have the outstanding pitching for years to come, I’m OK with a lower level of offensive productivity.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Greinke

He seems to react (performance-wise) very well to fans. That might also be why he struggles a bit on the road.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's the best thing about Plush

Greinke never even had to worry about the national media or being on the cover of SI.

by keephopealive on Aug 29, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a very interesting angle

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean seriously?
Yuniesky Betancourt is one of the players I wish we could overlook. He went 0-for-3 yesterday to finish off an 0-for-11 weekend, and he’s now 4-for his last 55. Ron Roenicke says Yuni is still contributing to this team, though.

And from that article:

Brewers manager Ron Roenicke chalks up shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt’s current cold streak to bad luck, and he praised the player’s contributions on defense.

I know we’ve been up and down this road with the Hairston in CF defense comments, but come on. Its one thing to defend a player, and another to out and out lie. If he’s not lying, he’s at least guilty of ignorance, which I’m not too keen on in my favorite sports team’s manager. I know this won’t shock anyone else, but I’ll continue to vote ‘disapprove’ on RRR, and I’ll click that radio button with significantly more vehemence this week.

“I wouldn’t mind looking at [Hairston] there, but I don’t think there’s a reason to say, ‘I want to see if he can play there instead of Yuni,’” Roenicke said.

RRR get’s one-quarter credit for this comment: he’d think about possibly putting Hairston at short, but not as a replacement for Yuni. Good lord.

I love the tracking polls, and I enjoy the results—just 18 people disapproved of RRR in the last poll, and I doubt that changes unless (knocking on wood) the team falls off a cliff between now and October. I also have a sneaking suspicion that people are attributing Doug Melvin’s acquisitions of Greinke and Marcum to Rick Kranitz, as he is enjoying a ridiculously high approval rating, while Dale Sveum’s 7th ranked offense has him at roughly 70%. That’s crazy to me.

Ok, tangent done.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the reason that Kranitz is getting such high approval ratings and Sveum isn't

is because the pitching staff has been fairly consistent, while the offense hasn’t been.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except for when the bullpen was a mess in the first half?

Also, with the additions of Marcum and Greinke, isn’t consistency in the starting pitchers implied? The things I think that Kranitz should be credited with thus far are: helping to identify Marco Estrada as the 6th starter, Narveson’s improved command.

The Brewers bullpen has the 10th best WAR in all of baseball at 3.0. The starters are 11th with 12.4. That’s impressive, but I still think it has more to do with personnel than it does with coaching.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Wolf has also improved.

I’m not sure if this is all on Sveum, but the hitters don’t seem to be very prepared against pitchers they’ve never faced before (particularly rookies).

I think on the lastest poll Kranitz was the only one who I voted for. I gave both RR and Sveum “undecided”.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Randy Wolf has pitched for 35 years

and suddenly we’re going to give credit for this year to him?

To each his own, but I’d strongly disagree with that.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

randy, your control:

woof.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on Aug 29, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course he's lying

Joe Girardi really loves what Jorge Posada can bring to the table and the Yanks don’t need Jesus Montero up. He also thinks A.J. Burnett is having a tough stretch but belongs in the rotation. Scioscia loves how Jeff Mathis improves the pitching. Charlie Manual thinks Raul Ibanez is an essential part of the lineup. Bruce Bochy thinks Huff and other offensive players have just hit a hard stretch but will recover in September. Fredi Gonzalez likes the energy Alex Gonzalez brings to the lineup. Gibson thinks the D-Backs will be much better with Aaron Hill on board instead of Kelly Johnson.

An actual quote from Terry Francona about John Lackey, who just lowered his ERA to 5.98

"Even an inning like [Tuesday] night where he gave up the three runs, that might have had a chance to be six or seven earlier in the season," Francona said. "But he kind of buckled down, he regained not just his composure, but he regained the strike zone, got out of the inning without more damage, and then settled down and put up some zeroes and let our offense go to work. This guy’s been on a pretty good roll. Yeah, his ERA is higher, and it’s going to be that way because of his struggles early in the year. That doesn’t mean he can’t be the pitcher we need."

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think there's another point in here that isn't made often enough

OK, RRR may be bad. He may not make all the decisions that, to us, would put the team in the best position to win. He isn’t as stat-savvy as he should be.

But are there any managers in baseball that are living up to those expectations right now? Is his VORM negative or is it us compiling a list of bad decisions in a vacuum?

by MillerParkSouth on Aug 29, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate him on a strategic level

The players all seem happy and the clubhouse good despite some interesting personalities, plus they’re winning.

I’m having a really, really hard time getting worked up about how he defends the guys in the cluhouse or his public comments regarding his players’ performance.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally see that point and I completely agree.

For me, the quotes from the other managers got me thinking about how we judge a manager in general and the inherent difficulty in judging one relative to a standard of some sort.

For people who watch every Brewers game and have a solid understanding of each player’s strengths and weaknesses, how do we translate decisions made by our manager in that context to those of another manager, whose actions we cannot evaluate at the same depth without following two teams at once?

by MillerParkSouth on Aug 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prince on 3B, Yuni at the bat RRR calls for the suicide squeeze

Not sure how that translate to anything but “Huh?”.

RRR seems to have The Way that he manages, and he will manage all players to The Way, rather than bending The Way to the strengths of his players.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Aug 29, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Or, to put it another way: Everyone should run and everyone should bunt is just as bad as no one running or bunting. In all cases, you’re shoving every player and situation into the same hole.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Aug 29, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Well said, both of you.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand where you guys are coming from

and hope you don’t minsinterpret my comments as trying to defend any of those seemingly oddball, nonsensical RR decisions.

What I’m saying is that what standard are you holding RR to as a manager? It is, in my opinion, very difficult to say RR is terrible without finding examples of managers who do it better, which is in itself a daunting task unless you want to start analyzing day-to-day decisions across two teams at the depth we’re capable of with RR. If you see another manager go an entire season without compiling the litany of baseball sins RR has, it might be easier to say he’s a bad manager, but that task is no easy work.

No real opinion either way, just trying to make a point about how difficult it is to really judge or evaluate a manager beyond compiling a list of bad decisions.

by MillerParkSouth on Aug 29, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That would be an incredibly fascinating project

To develop a set of metrics for managerial performance and evaluate all the managers… where would you start?

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would definitely be a bear of a project.

Just breaking that thought down to analyzing one game (for the sake of data collection, not drawing conclusions), you’d almost have to look at the win probability before and after a managers decision, weighted by the likelihood for success for the manager’s decision and what would have happened otherwise.

Mind-bogglingly detailed and already laden with a number of assumptions (e.g., was the bunt the manager’s call? did the runner blow through a stop sign?)

The other way is to take a macro-level look at it, but the SI article below seems to imply there’s too much variance in all the factors you need to weigh to reach a solid conclusion.

by MillerParkSouth on Aug 29, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

The SI article I linked is a good start. Also, it mention’s James Click’s 2006 book Baseball Between the Numbers. And this with respect to it:

In the essential 2006 book Baseball Between the Numbers, analyst James Click tried to tease some signs of managerial impact out of the statistical record but came up empty. After examining the measurable impact of in-game strategies (bunting, stolen bases, intentional walks), wins and losses relative to run differential, playing time distribution, in-game substitutions (pinch-hitters, relief pitchers, and defensive replacements), and direct impact on player performance (coaching), Click was unable to find evidence of a repeatable skill in any one of those five areas for any of the 456 managers he studied. That is to say that, much like clutch hitting, individual performances varied so much from season to season that the results appeared to be as much the result of chance as anything else.

As well as the quote I linked below about sacrifice attempts, stolen base attempts, and intentional walks.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Intentional walks and bunts, most likely.

It’d take a lot of time, but the data exists to do all of the following things:

A) Count the volume of sac bunts and intentional walks for each manager, and compare them to other managers to see if you’re high/low.

B) Look at win/run expectancy and see how often a manager bunts and lowers his team’s expected run output, or walks a guy and raises it.

C) Count the volume of times where a manager gives up an out to advance a runner that doesn’t score anyway, or intentional walks that come around to score.

If you had that data for, let’s say, 16 NL teams, it’d be pretty easy to compare across teams and see if you’re giving away outs or giving baserunners well above or below average. If you had that data over ten years you’d probably be in even better shape.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Aug 29, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that would get at most of it

The big wrinkle in part B is that win expectancy doesn’t take lineup context into account. That is, if you walk someone to get to Ben Sheets, or you walk someone to get to Ryan Braun, it sees it as the same thing.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That SI article I linked below

cites James Click’s book:

In the essential 2006 book Baseball Between the Numbers, analyst James Click tried to tease some signs of managerial impact out of the statistical record but came up empty. After examining the measurable impact of in-game strategies (bunting, stolen bases, intentional walks), wins and losses relative to run differential, playing time distribution, in-game substitutions (pinch-hitters, relief pitchers, and defensive replacements), and direct impact on player performance (coaching), Click was unable to find evidence of a repeatable skill in any one of those five areas for any of the 456 managers he studied. That is to say that, much like clutch hitting, individual performances varied so much from season to season that the results appeared to be as much the result of chance as anything else.

Also, as I quoted below (and it coincides with what you’re thinking):

It’s interesting to note, however, that Click’s 2006 study did make one relatively firm conclusion regarding the impact of certain in-game decisions. “Only six times in thirty-three years has any manager used sacrifice attempts, stolen base attempts, and intentional walks to increase his team’s win expectation over an entire season. Even the best managers cost their team more than a game per season by employing these tactics. At worst they can cost a team three games per season.” Over multiple seasons, no manager employed those tactics for a positive effect.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Our IBB are down from 42 to 14, so there is that

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's making good decisions with respect to those, apparently

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Didn’t we have a beef with him for not intentionally walking someone last week?

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be, not sure

there was one time when Votto I think hit a HR and he probably should have been walked.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had a tendency to pitch to guys with men on 2nd and 3rd with fewer than 2 outs

Conventional wisdom says walk the guy to set up the double play and force out at home. There’s a good chance, though, that Roenicke is doing his team a favor by pitching in that situation. A strikeout or shallow fly scores no runs. A deep fly ball gets an out, scores a run and leaves a man on 2nd with 2 outs. A deep fly ball after walking the batter scores a run and leaves runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

In the case of a 1-run game (either way), I think you have to try to prevent the single run and walk the guy, but otherwise, I think he’s bucking the trend in a good direction on this one.

Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011

by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oddly enough

The guys at BP (James Click here, too) laid out the math for this in the same book Charlie references above (highly recommended, BTW).

To summarize, the strategy behind IBB is highly dependent on base-out situations AND who is hitting behind the guy being walked (this is common sense, of course).

For example, with a runner on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out, the pitching team would decrease its opponents’ run expectation by walking any batter who was more than .101/.283/.456 better than the following batter. That line changes to .125/.314/.465 with runners at 2nd and 3rd with 0 outs.

I don’t need to tell you how often situations like that would actually occur. RRR is playing the numbers on this one.

(With 2 outs in the same baserunner situation the line changes to .060/.095/.178, that actually might make the IBB a viable strategy in some situations)

by CoreySLC on Aug 29, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I can't speak for Kyle or GY

but any manager who uses the squeeze frequently and with anyone at the plate/on 3B, bunts and allows his team to make so many outs on the bases is doing a bad job in my opinion. This team is winning in spite of the manager.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many winns has he cost the Brewers?

If he is so bad and you hate every one of his decisions then quantify it for us. The Brewers are a .600 baseball team Should they be .700? .750? 1.000? The team is that good that they it

is winning in spite of the manager
. I am waiting for a number that they should have won.

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think I remember 2 games that I felt his decisions cost them the game

My point is that the team is so talented that most of the time they’re able to overcome his poor decisions.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year

The team had 35 SAC with 81SB and 26CS
This year 74 SAC with 82 SB and 27 CS
The team is so talented? Look at the left side of the infield. This team is not stacked 1-8. Something is different. Two big offseason changes. Brewers got two really good pitchers and a new manager. Think old stone face Macha would have gotten this much out of them?

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think old stone face Macha would have gotten this much out of them?

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, OK

My answer is maybe. Not sure.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Beast mode alone

shows the difference from last year to this year. I don’t see Macha saying he doesn’t like it but isn;t going to stop it.

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Untucking, earthquake walkoff etc

Macha sure had a stick up his ass, huh?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, he did ban all that stuff in 2010.

I think he started with a pretty loose grip and regretted it.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You said it yourself.

Look at the pitching staff, and then tell me that Macha would have managed them to a 75 win season.

How unrealistic can you be?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you asking me?

You are the one that has to explain to me why the Brewers improved so much that they are

winning in spite of the manager

I also didn’t say Macha would only win 75 games with this group just that I think the change in style has led to more wins this year. I wonder did you feel happy when Lucroy won a game with a bunt or did you curse RRR for making the wrong decision again. Good thing Lucroy had the skill to overcome the decision to bunt and then bunt with his skill to wim a game.

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have to explain anything to you that you can't find yourself in all of my posts on this thread.

Also, their pythagorean record is 74-61.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bullshit

I read what you write. Money order. Bullshit Yuni B has the most ABs at two different positions. out the window. We know you hate bunting. got it. You want to throw pythagorean at me? That shows that they are winning for some reason other than their relative performance on the field. The manager?

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deep breath

I’ll just let you simmer on your own here, bud.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice try

Still waiting for you to answer my original question. How many games should the Brewers have won this year? Hell put your dog in as manager for all I care. The numbers suggest 74-61 so that might be a starting point for you.

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here, let me quote myself for you

so you can start letting your blood pressure come down a little bit:

I think I remember 2 games that I felt his decisions cost them the game
My point is that the team is so talented that most of the time they’re able to overcome his poor decisions.

But I think you know that’s an impossible question to answer. That’s why you ask it: because you think it crumbles my argument for disapproving of RRR. Even though I suspect you know it doesn’t.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love when you tell other people to calm down

Pot, kettle, etc.

It’d be like me telling other people they argue too much.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Side tangent

I think reading what someone writes does not lend itself to friendly banter. It always sounds more hostile than if we were sitting at a bar bantering back and forth over some beers.

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

Charlie has a very “aggressive” tone in his writing, he’d probably admit that.

Though my level of hostility in real life probably depends on the number of beers we’ve had during the discussion.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Was there a get together this year?

Should there be another(first?) one this year?

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I run the BCB Chicago chapter (self-appointed title)

Unfortunately we’re lacking in numbers.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lincoln Park

I’d be down for a meet up

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Aug 29, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chicago people....

Was going to post something about getting some people together for a road playoff game. The lack of Brewer friendly bars is ridiculous.

Thinking either Will’s on Racine or a sports bar called 6 Corners on North/Ashland as I’m friendly with the owners there.

Think we have enough people to make it happen?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good spot

I would avoid any Packer game conflicts obviously

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Aug 29, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems to be a good spot

They’ll probably have a decent size Brewer group there for a playoff game anyways.

Yeah, obviously will try to avoid any Badger/Packer conflicts.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in

I live in Wicker Park, and I am a big fan of both of those places.

6 Corners is actually at North and Damen (and Milwaukee), just for clarity. The owner is a real nice guy who always is happy to put WI sports on, just don’t go during a Blackhawks game.

by PJLizard on Aug 29, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oddly enough

the same holds true of Will’s.

by MillerParkSouth on Aug 29, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Damen/North

Duh. We go there all the time, probably ran into you at some point.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in the suburbs which isn't conducive to late games.

Maybe if they’re in Philadelphia or Atlanta so it’s a relatively early start and I can still catch a train home.

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I spent too much time in OV back in the day

plus growing up on the mean streets makes me wary and defensive

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

For referring to OV as “the mean streets.”

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ask it for an answer

It is not impossible. If his decisions are costing the Brewers wins then say so. 83 would have been your answer. Instead you want me to go back and reread what you have to say on the matter.

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pythagorean is all about lucky run distribution

Whether it’s purely chance or a tough team ‘making their own luck’, it’s still just a measure of how many games we would win on average with that run differential.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Generally, yeah

second and third order wins are 76.9-58.1(subs projected runs for actual) and 76.0-59.0(adjusted for quality of opponents).

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

article shows that the Angels are on course to beat there Pythagorean record for the 8th consecutive year. Some of that maybe down to the manager who has probably taught RRR a thing or two. I am not saying that RRR is the only reason why the Brewers are doing so well but there are somethings that a manager can have a positive or negative impact on that cannot be measured by statistics

by Saltire on Aug 29, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Playing to win instead of playing to score runs

Why try to score 4 runs when 1 run is all you need to win? If one run gets your WPA up to 90% and 4 runs gets it to 98% is that worth the risk of not scoring any runs? Roenicke plays for 1 run when they’re winning which messes up Pythag.

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So maybe

Roenicke is using WPA to help manage the game? I doubt it but as long as you have good pitching and not up against a juggernaut hitting line-up that is more likely to have a 3 or 4 run inning it seems the smarter way to go. Especially later in the game, where going from a 1 run to a 2 run lead must take a bit of pressure off the bullpen pitchers, who then know that one bad pitch is not going to tie the game, a bit like yesterday.

by Saltire on Aug 29, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It might just be our perception

Because Ron said that he valued a running game when he was hired, we’ve been wary of it and paid attention to baserunning more than we normally would. Here’s one way – everyone despises the number of times a runner on second has been tagged out at home on a single. According to B-R it’s happened 8 times this season.

We’ve paid attention to it, and we’ve groaned and cursed when it happened, and you probably have mental imaged burned into your brain of Casey or Prince charging down the line at a catcher who already has the ball in his mitt and has dusted himself off and is relaxing in his easy chair reading the TV Guide at home plate while he waits to tag out the runner. Eight times.

Well, last season it happened nine times. Surprised?

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Honestly?

Yep

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The NBA stole my wife

by MrLeam on Aug 29, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

data

2010, Runner on first, double hit: 85 times.
2010, Runner on first, double hit, runner out: 4 times.
2010, Runner on second, single hit: 206 times.
2010, Runner on second, single hit, runner out: 9 times.

2011, Runner on first, double hit: 66 times.
2011, Runner on first, double hit, runner out: 2 times.
2011, Runner on second, single hit: 153
2011, Runner on second, single hit, runner out: 8 times.

2010, Extra bases taken percentage: 36%
2011, Extra bases taken percentage: 40%

2010, Stolen bases: 81
2010, Caught stealing: 26
2011, Stolen bases: 82
2011, Caught stealing: 27

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, the team is bad at baserunning

isn’t it a manager’s job to recognize that as a team weakness and adjust? The same as its his job to understand his team’s strengths and adjust? He doesn’t do that.

This year the Brewers are the 11th worst at baserunning in all of baseball. In 2010 they were 9th. In 2009 12th worst. In 2008, another very notable season in Brewers history, they were the 3rd best in all of baseball at baserunning. I don’t know how much significance that carries, but its there.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The coaches on this team know what good baserunning looks like

They’ve seen it, and they’ve coached it before. But I’d argue that until recently, this team hasn’t had the players that were capable of running the bases efficiently. Braun can obviously steal. Morgan is fast. Gomez is so fast he should never be caught. But aside from those guys, it’s not a strength, and I don’t think it’s ever been a priority in Milwaukee from player selection on up.

I think Ron would like to be able to run regularly with some efficiency, and I think he expected to be able to do more than he has, but the personnel prohibits is. All the same, I think he tries to get away with as much of it as he can because it makes an offense harder to defend against.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Baserunning covers not just stolen bases

but making smart decisions on the basepaths. You said it yourself: they run into a ton of outs.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's Ron's fault

Any more than it’s the players’ fault. They do some pretty stupid things on their own on the bases.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

On the radio yesterday

they said when Braun is on first RRR will give hom the red light as to not take the bat out of Fielder’s hands in some situations. I don’t think it is all go all the time like opeople think it is.

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's good to hear

Braun has too much confidence sometimes, and if there’s a catcher with a strong arm behind the plate and there’s a RHP on the mound vs. Prince – why bother?

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure.

but he also hasn’t been caught stealing in a long-ass time. (June 15th to be exact) and he has 14 SBs since.

by Archibaldcrane on Aug 29, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have him get caught once

before Fielder hits a homerun and watch RRR’s approvale rating go down.

by Junked on Aug 29, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hehe, exactly

People won’t be talking about the last 14 times he got into scoring position, that’s for sure. Me included.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brewers are stealing bases at a 75% rate

70% is the break even point, anything better than that is a positive contribution

by dtmeyers on Aug 29, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is also not personal

But saying the team is winning has very little to do with the manager, and everything to do with the talent on the team. If you put my dog in charge of the team, they’d have won the same amount of games.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Teams are made up of people, not statistics

People need to be coached, or they don’t perform.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ah, there's the rub

There are rational people who believe that’s true and rational people that don’t believe that’s true.

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Being coached isn't necessary an intrusive process

It can be a reminder of the thing that motivates a player. It can be a series of goals and punishment/rewards. It can be providing an atmosphere of equity. It can be teaching, ritual, and honing skill. There are lots of different things a coaching staff can do to improve performance, and I’m sure that if the stars were in alignment with eccentric enough personalities that theoretically the right thing to do on a day could actually be to go fishing and leave a dog in charge.

Whatever – whatever provides the direction and motivation for players to perform as a team over the long term, that’s what will provide success. And whatever that is for this team, Ron’s doing it.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

There have been plenty of teams who hated each other, their coaches, their manager

and they managed to be hugely successful.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a form of motivation too.

You don’t need to be loved, loathed and feared also work with some people. I’ve worked for people I hated before that made me very productive at work.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, you win

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

There are different aspects. Strategically, often people here don’t agree with moves or strategy. That’s legitimate and fun. We also can’t expect him to do what we want all the time. To pick on what he says in the media is a distraction. Lastly, though, to pick up on what nullact said: it’s also this guy’s job to just to be the leader. He sets the overall tone for leadership, environment and accountability inside the clubhouse. That means getting certain guys to accept certain roles. Oftentimes, we’re not privy to that.

Sometimes we are. The way this team handled the Cardinals after the extra inning game seemed like a defining moment. The fates of the two teams has also headed in different directions since then. Not saying there’s a direct correlation, but I do appreciate the way he handled it and the way all the players did. That, to some extent, is a reflection of the leadership and personality he’s bringing to the team.

He’s also trying to balance a team that has a lot of fun and a great personality without letting them get over the top or obnoxious or overly cocky.

by Cervercero on Aug 29, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So is Tony LaRussa a worse coach than RRR since his team has won less games?

How about the 2008 Atlanta Braves coached by Bobby Cox that went 72-90? Was that a product of poor coaching?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great question.

Pretty sure Atlanta exploded due to injuries, but I don’t know what the answer is with STL. Is TLR slipping? Has his war on Colby been a distraction? Did they falter when Pujols went on the DL? Dunno.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chiming in late here

But I think this also goes back to your point regarding different forms of leadership. I don’t think TLR is a “beloved” type manager. I think he’s one of those guys who plays the “they don’t respect us” card to motivate his players — only he uses the “they don’t respect the game” variant. (It’s almost a cliche for sports teams to cite their opponents’ “lack of respect” as a motivating factor.)

But I think that any one motivational tool loses its effectiveness when it’s used over and over again. Which may be part of why TLR’s antics aren’t going over as well as they used to. Maybe it’s just because we’re paying more attention to them this season, but even Lance Berkman commented about how nearly every single team has a “rivalry” with the Cardinals. How do you get “up” for a game against a rival when it’s happening every day?

by Brew Angel on Aug 29, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think the fact people are getting tired of TLR

shows more about how people react to winning and losing more than anything else. A manager being batshit crazy and paranoid is accepted if a team is winning. If they are losing, no so much.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Aug 29, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's obviously a straw man, though nullacct answered it well

My question for you (and the other Roenicke disapprovers) is this: Do you honestly believe that this team would be better thus far with someone else at the helm?

Because if the answer is no, then there’s really no way you can disapprove of the job Roenicke’s done so far. And if the answer is yes, then you essentially believe that the Brewers have the true talent of the Red Sox or Phillies, because those are the only teams who have outplayed the Brewers this year.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, its not a straw man

Its a valid question. The premise of the RRR argument that nullacct posed is that because the team is winning, RRR is a good manager.

but this is a straw man:

Because if the answer is no, then there’s really no way you can disapprove of the job Roenicke’s done so far.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive. I disagree with many of the decisions RRR makes, and thus I disapprove of him as a manager.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not a straw man, though.

If you don’t think that anyone would be doing a better job with this team, then by definition, you think that Roenicke is doing at least an average job. Otherwise, I suppose if you believe no one else would have this team performing better, but you still disapprove of him, then you also disapprove of every other potential manager out there.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Like I said, I disapprove of his decisions

you’re now guilty of semantics.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we're getting into tedium now

I, too, disapprove of some of his decisions. I just don’t think he’s actually materially hurting the Brewers.

Actually, now that I think about it, it seems you disapprove of Roenicke for the much the same reason I disapprove of Sveum. We both disapprove of their tactics and strategy, even though the results have been fine. What it seems we’re both worried about is that those tactics will come back to bite them and eventually hurt the club at the exact wrong time (i.e. the playoffs). Probably not the most fair way to evaluate the coach (it’s certainly giving them the benefit of the doubt), but it’s reasonable both ways.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think it was.

People are too knowledgeable around here to be at a lack for good arguments.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think there's a distinction, though

Between the idea that “just because the team is winning, RRR is a good manager” and the argument that because the team is doing so well, there’s very little evidence to stand on to say Roenicke isn’t doing a good job.

Obviously, the first idea is false, because Bob Brenly and Dusty Baker and so on. RRR may very well be an average manager who doesn’t affect the team much either way. (Probably the most likely scenario.) But there’s just very little evidence that RRR is actually hurting the team, especially when it’s playing so well. The burden of proof right now is on those who say Roenicke is a liability, not those who say he’s doing fine.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think his players tune him out after a couple years

Happened with the Giants, Cubs and maybe the Reds

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has a history of ruining young pitchers arms

with the caveat that they may have gotten injured regardless…its pretty impressive the list of guys he let pitch til their arms fell off

by dtmeyers on Aug 29, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

but as you said… to each his own.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats actually an interesting

Though unanswerable question.

I feel like Yost would have gotten in a beanball war with TLR and it would have hit the fan at some point.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is important

As I just wrote above, how the team handled that incident is important and likely a reflection of his leadership.

by Cervercero on Aug 29, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now your just insulting Charlie Marlow's dog

We don’t condone personal insults. That’s low.

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

it wasn’t a personal insult it was a dogonal insult.

by Wisfan on Aug 29, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to say

but even the BEST coaches can only be credited with up to two full wins over the course of a season.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Where do you get that stat from?

by Wisfan on Aug 29, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I can try to dig up the article again

it was years ago, I think Dave Cameron.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do a google search for it

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't meant to be flip, but I wasn't finding it myself

I’ll look deeper later, but this is a good reference, and this .

Here’s a good quote from the SI article:

It’s interesting to note, however, that Click’s 2006 study did make one relatively firm conclusion regarding the impact of certain in-game decisions. “Only six times in thirty-three years has any manager used sacrifice attempts, stolen base attempts, and intentional walks to increase his team’s win expectation over an entire season. Even the best managers cost their team more than a game per season by employing these tactics. At worst they can cost a team three games per season.” Over multiple seasons, no manager employed those tactics for a positive effect.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've said time and time and time again

that I’m very happy with the perceived atmosphere in the clubhouse, with the positive vibe that RRR has seemed to bring to the team. I’ve said that so many times my fingers hurt typing it again. And I’ve said many, many times that I think he makes poor game management decisions.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is far easier for a person to learn to make better in-game decisions than it is for a person to learn to be a leader

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Aug 29, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I couldn’t stand some of McCarthy’s in game management last year and look where that got the Packers. I think there are some similarities.

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Aug 29, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

They should've beat the Patriots.

Damn that was poor clock management.

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"... playing an extremely enjoyable brand of baseball."

I don’t really get that. All of the bunting and being caught between 3rd and home is driving me bonkers. If he’d keep it restricted to the bottom of the order as I’ve doggedly espoused, that’s one thing. I’d rather have Macha’s station-to-station for most of the game.

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I will give him credit on the unseen portion of his job

The manager job is two shifts, from the last out until the lineup is put together, and then first pitch to last out. From last out until the lineup is put together he seems to be doing a fantastic job of getting the entire team working together and having fun at the ballpark. That is a major achievement, and just because we can’t see how he does it doesn’t mean it isn’t obviously happening. But from first pitch to last out he makes some very questionable decisions, from not using CC as a defensive replacement in a tight game they have a lead in, or sitting Hart so you can have a Plush/Gomez outfield in a similar spot to squeezing with a terrible runner/hitter combo.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Aug 29, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think TSSC hacked your account.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 29, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its just the turd-cherry on the diarrhea sundae for me

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

you should probably see a medical professional

those colors aren’t normal.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on Aug 29, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

there’s a difference between Francona’s quote (essentially saying Lackey struggled earlier in the year, and he’s not great now, but he’s getting it done) and RRR’s quote (saying there is no reason to replace Betancourt; McCalvy saying RRR likes his defense).

Is he really lying? I guess I hope so, because that means he realizes how terrible Betancourt is and that he’s going to replace him. If not, I’m assuming ignorance.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Francona said "This guy’s been on a pretty good roll," when he's been as bad as he always is

Lackey had a 5.34 ERA in August leading up to those comments and guys were hitting with a .821 OPS against him in the month. Just like Yuni, Lackey hasn’t been getting it done but the Sox don’t have any other options (just like the Brewers don’t while Weeks is hurt)

I guess my point was we can find quotes like Francona’s, or RRR’s for every player who is struggling. And all these managers aren’t ignorant when they make them.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm sure he's also aware that Lackey gets the most run support in all of baseball and just north of 9 runs

Also, wins matter for pitchers.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, the game he pitched on the 23rd had a WPA of .087

and his line was 6.2 IP 4 R 4 ER 5 SO 3 BB, and the game on 8/17 was -.079 with a line of 6.2 IP 4 R 3 ER 7 SO 3 BB. So I guess its relative.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, I guess

Those lines seem pretty mediocre to me, especially because I’m sure Francona didn’t know Lackey’s WPA when he said it.

I thinking you’re reaching to say Francona’s comments were much different from RRR’s comments.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really not putting a whole lot of stock into the comparison, actually

It doesn’t bother me much what Francona says about his team. It bothers me what RRR says about the Brewers, though. Particularly when it isn’t just saying, but doing.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what else is he supposed to say?

Guess what, Yuni. You lose your job as soon as Weeks is hurt?

Remember, he also said K-Rod and Ax would be co-closers. That hasn’t happened.

by Cervercero on Aug 29, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doing, what?

Who does he put at SS right now?

Francona is also “doing” because he’s not removing Lackey from his rotation.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hairston.

Ok, I’m done with this now because I’m starting to feel like you’re baiting me. It irritates me, it doesn’t irritate you. I’m OK with that. Are you?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who plays 2B then?

Wilson is terrible

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Counsell is worse

Francona is pumping up Lackey’s worth because he’s all he has for now.

RRR is pumping up Yuni’s worth because he’s all he has now.

I’m not baiting you at all, I only bait Rubie Q and he’s not online today.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why is Yuni all that he has now?

There are 3 better options on the roster. I am beginning to think that the worse thing that happen was that Yuni got hot for about 6 weeks, fooling the management into thinking that he is a decent player. If he had carried on like he started the season he would either be on the bench or cut by now.

by Saltire on Aug 29, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

If RRR keeps playing Yuni over Hairston after Weeks gets back

That will be one of the great mysteries of all of existence to me. It’s not like Yuni is some sort of gritty, scrappy veteran whose style of play masks his awfulness; he’s awful and lazy and uncoachable, every manager’s nightmare.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The reason I'm not particularly fond of Sveum (I usually vote undecided, but sometimes disapprove)

Is the Brewers’ lack of patience at the plate. The Brewers are easily the least patient team in the National League, at 3.70 pitches/PA. Now, you could argue that it must not matter, because the Brewers are producing anyway. But the four guys who’ve accounted for the lion’s share of the Brewers’ offense are all above the team average – Braun, 3.94; Hart, 3.86; Weeks, 3.82; Fielder, 3.77.

Given the fact that Sveum and the players have talked numerous times about his swing-happy approach, this tells me that a) the poorer hitters who would be most helped by some patience (Betancourt, Gomez, Kotsay, etc.) are not being well served by Sveum’s ‘swing away’ approach; and b) the better hitters aren’t necessarily adopting Sveum’s ‘swing away’ approach anyway.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its hard to teach plate discipline in the middle of the year

How much of the issue is simply due to having Yuni on the roster? Its hard to get guys to start taking walks overnight. His P/PA is almost identical to what it was last year.

Hart had a 4.7% BB rate when Sveum took over – he’s at 9.8% this year.
Prince went from 12.1% to 15.1%
Braun 6.3% to 10.3%

From the public comments, it seems like he’s preached waiting for your pitch at time, while also not being afraid to swing early if the pitch is there.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

"middle of the year"?

Shouldn’t he have been teaching plate discipline in ST?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course

And teaching in the beginning of the year too. I don’t mean to imply that at any point Sveum just stopped talking to Yuni.

Its hard to start working with a player in March and see many improvements in his plate discipline 5 months later. Its a gradual processes, or not a process at all for many players Yuni’s age.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gomez?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gomez

Carlos Argelis Gómez Pena, nicknamed “Go-Go”, (born December 4, 1985, in Santiago, Dominican Republic) is a Major League Baseball outfielder for the Milwaukee Brewers. Gómez has consistently been regarded as one of the fastest players in MLB.

At just 16 years of age, Gómez signed with the Mets as an international free agent on July 27, 2002. Along with Fernando Martínez, Gómez was considered one of the top New York Mets outfield prospects, and was considered to be a five-tool prospect. While they were teammates, Mets shortstop José Reyes, who led the National League in stolen bases and triples for multiple seasons, said that Gómez is faster than he is. In fact, while he and Reyes were teammates with the Mets, he routinely beat Reyes in foot races during Spring training 2007.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

My point was that Gomez's plate discipline hasn't changed

and Sveum has had more than 5 months to work with him.

Granted, Gomez could very well just fall into to the “uncoachable” category.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, of course

Some players change for the better, some for the worse, some not at all under a coach/instructor/manager.

That happens with every coach in every sport.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

Strikeouts go hand in hand with home runs and the power game. There was a good article about Braun a year or two ago that it seemed as if he was sacrificing his power for patience. Obviously this year that is not the case, but Ryan Braun is an exception to many rules.

This reminds me of how upset everyone got with Mike Cameron for striking out so much. Usually people who want less strike outs are also people who want bunts and steals and squeezing in a run. This team is what it is—a home run hitting, power team. Why try to change that? They’ve got the 7th best wRC+ in all of baseball,the 8th best wOBA and the 6th best WAR for hitters. To me that’s a successful offense.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

Gomez gets alot of strikeouts, but not many HRs.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your one example of Sveum failing to coach a guy is Carlos Gomez?

Doesn’t the blame also fall on the Mets and Twins?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i still can't help but feel like part of the problem

lies in the fact that the brewers do not have a coaching staff that can easily converse in some players native languages.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on Aug 29, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's too much of an issue

Gomez has been around English speaking coaches for 9 years. Yuni for 6 years. All of the coaches have been around Spanish speaking players for 20-30+ years.

While I don’t think any of the coaches are completely fluent, I don’t they would be in their positions if they were completely unable to connect with players.

I’d also think that while Gomez and Yuni aren’t fully comfortable speaking with the media in English, they’ve picked up enough (especially baseball related) to take instruction.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem for me:
Gomez has been around English speaking coaches for 9 years. Yuni for 6 years.

And neither of them have shown much improvement during that time.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Aug 29, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

None of the above?

How about they are both terrible at the plate? At least Gomez can play defense.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

So keep hiring coaches until they do?

There are tons of English speaking players who don’t show improvement either. Gomez has become an amazing CF and communicates fine with Braun/Hart. If he was struggling at the plate because he couldn’t understand instruction, wouldn’t he have a similar problem with the defense stuff?

I still don’t see the problem with the logic in my original argument.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's take it player by player, from pre-Sveum to now

Prince: P/PA ⇊, walk rate ↑
Braun: P/PA ⇈, walk rate ⇈
Weeks: P/PA ⇊, walk rate ↓
Hart: P/PA ⇈, walk rate ↑
Morgan: P/PA ⇊, walk rate ⇊
McGehee: P/PA ↑, walk rate ↓
Lucroy: = (down slightly on both from last year, but that was under Sveum too)
Betancourt: P/PA =, walk rate ↓
Gomez: P/PA =, walk rate =
Kotsay: P/PA =, walk rate =

So yeah, it’s tough from that to really identify any discernible pattern whatsoever. The only hitters who have become noticeably more patient under Sveum by both measurements are Braun and Hart, and the only hitters who have become noticeably less patient are Weeks and Morgan. So I’m probably wrong to assign Sveum the blame for our impatient hitters – he’s not helping much, but they’re going to be a bunch of free swingers with or without him.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, I'd prefer they don't just take a pitch to take a pitch.

The only hitters on this team that play regularly that I am disappointed with this season are McGehee and Yuni. Everyone else has exceeded my expectations. Yes, even Braun and Fielder.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on not taking pitches for the heck of it

But I think not practicing patience leaves you particularly prone to team-wide slumps – if you’re not hitting the ball well, you’ve left yourself without an alternative means of getting on base and wearing down a pitcher. And as we’ve seen, this team is, in fact, prone to those team-wide slumps. I just don’t want one to hit during the playoffs (assuming they get there – knock on wood).

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I can see that

but even the best offensive teams don’t hit sometimes. Didn’t the Yankees get shut out by the Orioles earlier in the year?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or the Rays last year.

Yeah, I don’t think the Brewers have been ridiculously slump-prone this year, though their early May slump was the worst of that length in franchise history.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 29, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

They had a brutal 6 game stretch in the middle of August

Team OPS of .627, only averaged 2 runs a game.

Of course they won 5 of those 6 games and expanded their playoff lead.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I also have a sneaking suspicion that people are attributing Doug Melvin’s acquisitions of Greinke and Marcum to Rick Kranitz"

There are a few notable pitchers (Narveson and Wolf) that are pitching much better this season.

I’m not saying that Kranitz is the reason for that, I’m just noting. I usually just vote undecided on Sveum and Kranitz as I feel there isn’t enough info to decide.

by cwolf20 on Aug 29, 2011 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Damnit, reply fail

Only when it’s the bottom post, though.

by cwolf20 on Aug 29, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with that

I’m undecided on Kranitz, approve on Sveum, since its been 1.75 seasons of great offense now.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll jump on that bandwagon.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

I would never vote anything but undecided on hitting and pitching coaches. I just really think there are many many coaches who could get the same results.

I have also voted disapprove of DPR all year. He makes way to many mind boggling decisions throughout the week. I actually think Macha just let guys play more than DPR does. He seems to try and make things happen way to much. HIt and runs(with the pitcher even!!!) and squeeze bunting to name a few.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Aug 29, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moneyball

I just started noticing the ads for the upcoming movie today on this site.

I didn’t even realize it was coming up. Interesting casting choices… Brad Pitt, Jonah Hill and Philip Seymour Hoffman all having starring roles.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm going to be a little elitist a**hole

In my head I can’t rectify the book with a movie script. Maybe I can convince myself that this is only “based on a true story” rather than the true story. It’s something of a minor miracle the true story was presented as entertaining as it was. The commercials seem to make it a mix between “21” and “Major League.”

The central lesson to Moneyball, as I later learned, is not that he built a team of castoffs, but that he identified a market imbalance and took advantage. I don’t think “market imbalance” plays well as a movie script so it seems like it’s going to miss the point of Moneyball, in the first place.

I think more than anything, I reject Brad Pitt as Billy Beane. He’s not a bad looking guy, but he ain’t Brad Pitt.

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems like a Netflix movie to me

I’ve watched worse, but can’t see myself paying money to see this in a theater.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

but you can't hate PSH

i mean, seriously did you see him in charlie wilson’s war? and happiness? that dude can play anything.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on Aug 29, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Blind Side

If it’s any measure (same author) was a much different movie conceptually than the book, FWIW.

by Cervercero on Aug 29, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm looking forward to it.

I understand all your points, but I think it will be pretty good. Brad Pitt, to me, is a good choice because if the movie is presented well and does capture the main point of the book, Brad Pitt will create a larger audience immediately, so more people will then get the message, which is nice.

I also just like Brad Pitt a lot, in a just-friends kind of way.

by Noah Jarosh on Aug 29, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not Beane's fault

Brad Pitt read the book and has been trying to make a movie out of it for a while, he just loves the concept.

by nullacct on Aug 29, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Billy Beane as I recall, was proud of being the only GM who works out with his players.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 29, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they will include the scene where everyone rejoices during the draft because the Brewers picked Prince Fielder who was “too fat, even for the Oakland A’s”

by grant76 on Aug 29, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

As I remember it, he feels the movie greatly misrepresents his role.

The movie seems to make it look like he was just some odd guy with a wacky idea that Billy Beene picked up on, when in reality it was a very thoroughly researched plan.

Plus DePodesta is kind of a health nut and he’s being played by pre weight loss Jonah Hill

Nick Petrilli? I liked him better when he was NickBloomfield.

by stempke on Aug 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

IIRC, they wanted to make the character a conglomerate of several stat heads like Podesta, Bill James, et al

I think Lewis takes a lot of liberty with his source material in all of his books, and movies go even further.

Its counterintuitve but I think the general public is going to like this more than the sabremetric community who easily get their undies in a bunch over the smallest inaccuracy.

by grant76 on Aug 29, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

For single seasons, From 1901 to 2011, (requiring HR>=25, SB>=30, 2B>=35 and batting_avg>=.333)

returns 4 seasons in history.

Braun has one of them.

by Archibaldcrane on Aug 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

If he can get to

35 stolen bases and 40 doubles

he would be the only person in history with a season like that (assuming he keeps his BA at or above .333)

by Archibaldcrane on Aug 29, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm starting to wonder if the Cardinals have unofficially given up.

Pitching matchups for the series:

Tuesday: Marcum vs. Jackson
Wednesday: Wolf vs. Westbrook
Thursday: Gallardo vs. Dickson

Dickson is getting his first career MLB start to give Garcia an extra day of rest.

Dickson’s stats from Triple-A:

157.1 IP
3.95 ERA
4.13 FIP
1.28 WHIP
7.09 K/9
1.83 BB/9
1.26 HR/9

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by -JP- on Aug 29, 2011 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Correction about Garcia

Actual article on ESPN said a little extra rest. Looks like Garcia isn’t scheduled through the end of the Reds series.

Here’s another part to this. Carpenter could start Thursday on normal rest. He’s scheduled for Friday.

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by -JP- on Aug 29, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems simple

Carpenter is afraid of Miller Park

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 29, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

We had a discussion on this in the Minor League Notes comments

Supertramp

There had been talk about Cards starters getting fatigued. Carpenter got hit a bit his last start, and didn’t pitch well at Miller Park last time, it could certainly be a mind-game thing by TLR, but wouldn’t surprise me if they really do push Carpenter back a day.
There’s a reason to start Dickson that doesn’t involve giving up.
I noted that Gamel went 2-for-3 with a HR in Dickson’s last start against Nashville and he’s be eligible to be called up for expanded rosters…

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

TLR is just playing the “the Brewers can’t hit an unknown starter” card.

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Aug 29, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This isn't his MLB debut

Just his first MLB start. He’s made two relief appearances this season.

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by -JP- on Aug 29, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

RE: record since Greinke

I’ve been thinking about this a bit, wondering how much of our current streak is that we are “hot”, and how much is that we are just damn good. Our record through May 15 was 19-21. I take this as the point at which Lucroy, Hart and Greinke were fully acclimated. From May 16-All Star Break, we played something like .579 ball. Our biggest weakness (except for SS and the bottom of the order) was our bullpen. At the All-Star break, we got K-Rod, we also got Saito back. Since then we’ve played something like .750 ball. That’s without Weeks and Gomez.

Now we’ll be getting Weeks and Gomez back, and we’ll be at full strength. Obviously, you can’t just eliminated the periods when you had injuries, etc., since other teams have suffered injuries this year (we’ve had it relatively light), but the point is that I think the talent we have is 100+ win team.

by keephopealive on Aug 29, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

WE

I use “we” for 2 reasons. One I’m emotionally invested in this team and two it is easier to type than “the Brewers”.

by Wisfan on Aug 29, 2011 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Occam's Electric Razor

Don’t read anything deeper into something that can be explained by laziness.

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

they put a motor on that thing? why don't they just call it a rascal.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on Aug 29, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

are you a fan of indiana jones?

Every man must believe in something, I believe I'll have another drink.

by pjpaulus on Aug 30, 2011 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

link

Every man must believe in something, I believe I'll have another drink.

by pjpaulus on Aug 30, 2011 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I always forget Axford is Canadian

I wonder if Doug sits in the office at Miller Park and schemes and plots about building an all Canadian team. Or an all Canadian and/or ex-Rangers team.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Except he traded away Lawrie for a non-Canadian

Granted a really good pitching non-Canadian.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 29, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think after a few years on the Blue Jays

Marcum had become a “common law” Canadian.

by Archibaldcrane on Aug 29, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

That doesn't count

because Marcum had pitched his entire career in Canada, so it works out.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 29, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

And just look at him.

Marcum’s got to be an honorary Canadian. He’s basically a Paul Bunyan impersonator.

by mpbMKE on Aug 29, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's actually all prep for the World Baseball Classic

He’s doing everything in his power to build Canada into a world power in the World Baseball Classic.

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sept 7th

First possible day the Brewers can clinch the Central

by proachinf on Aug 29, 2011 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know if that's even possible.

Because the Cardinals & Reds play this weekend, it’s possible the Cardinals could fall out of second place, and then the Reds would need to lose.

For September 7th to happen, the Brewers have to win out, and the Cardinals AND Reds have to lose out (with the Reds winning the three games this weekend).

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by -JP- on Aug 29, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why does Greinke always end up in the creepy pictures?

I just saw this one on JSOnline.com

Look at how Betancourt is looking at Greinke. It’s just creepy.

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by -JP- on Aug 29, 2011 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I just love how the camera guy is all over it

like he’s expecting f’in Greinke to steal. No delay at all.

by Archibaldcrane on Aug 29, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

He recognized the sign.

When he saw Greinke touch the brim of his helmet, he knew that Greinke was going to steal second.

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by -JP- on Aug 29, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

the scratch is the sign to the camera man

that Geinke is stealing

get the uni dirty Yuni

by bugenj222 on Aug 29, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Zack is just so dreamy!

Can you really blame him?

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by ecocd on Aug 29, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

In our last ten series,

the Brewers are 9 wins and one split. If you want to go to eleven, that is the last time the Brewers have lost a series—to the Giants in San Francisco.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Aug 29, 2011 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Additionally...

The Brewers are 21 W, 15 L, and 5 splits for series W/L/T.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Aug 29, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I weren't so damned lazy...

I’d go back to the beginning of the season and find every instance of me insisting they’d pull away down the stretch. Granted, I wouldn’t have predicted a double-digit lead on August 29th, but I also thought the Cardinals and/or Reds would be better.

Pardon me while I shake my own hand, pat myself on the back, and toot my own horn.

by mpbMKE on Aug 29, 2011 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

The Brewers are using all of the Reds luck too! They

The Reds may have contracted Munluckysen by Dusty disease.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Aug 29, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

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NL Central Standings

W L PCT GB STRK
Cincinnati 26 20 .565 0 Won 1
St. Louis 25 22 .531 1.5 Lost 3
Houston 22 24 .478 4 Lost 1
Pittsburgh 22 24 .478 4 Won 2
Milwaukee 19 27 .413 7 Lost 1
Chicago 15 31 .326 11 Lost 11

(updated 5.27.2012 at 12:11 PM CDT)

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