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Josh Wilson is Pointless

Josh Wilson, showing terrible form high-fiving.  Is he trying to break his wrist?

Okay, so the Brewers haven't exactly clinched a playoff spot yet.  But it would take a collapse of historical proportions for this team to blow a 10+ game lead with just over a month remaining.  Stranger things can and have happened, but I think it's fair to assume that we, as Brewers fans, will be privileged enough to see our team in the 2011 playoffs.  Thus, I think it is also fair to begin talking about the current composition of the Brewers roster, and what it could look like come October. 

First things first, Yuniesky Betancourt is and will be the Brewers starting shortstop, even when Rickie Weeks comes back and Jerry Hairston, jr. is taken away from second base.  Say it with me: Yuniesky Betancourt will be the Brewers shortstop the rest of the season.

Feels good, right?

No, because Yuniesky Betancourt is the Brewers starting shortstop.  But at least now you have accepted it. 

Second, Craig Counsell, Jerry Hairston, Carlos Gomez, and Mark Kotsay are all assured spots on the Brewers postseason roster, along with George Kottaras.  That's five bench players.  So, where does that leave Josh Wilson, who, as you may have guessed from the title, is whom I mean this to be about? Hopefully on the curb.

Honestly, at this point what purpose does Josh Wilson serve?  He can play multiple positions, sure.  He's played second base and shortstop and even outfield this season.  He's also played a little bit of third base and first base in his career.  A utility guy that can play all across the diamond can be valuable, sure, but not when he's been a poor to middling defensive player at every position.  Even less so when the team already has a different, better utility guy in Jerry Hairston who is actually pretty well regarded, defensively. 

Wilson further becomes less valuable because he can't hit a lick.  With the Brewers this year, Wilson has a .243/.284/.386 line.  Betancourt, who we all love to hate on because he hits as well as my ninety year old grandmother sprints, is not much worse than that, if at all, with only five points fewer OPS, and a higher batting average.  Of course it's easier to rag on Betancourt--he's starting, Wilson is not.  But if Wilson is left on the roster come playoff time, he's a complete waste of a bench spot.  He can't field, and is rendered irrelevant by Counsell and Hairston there, anyway.  He can't hit--he's probably the worst hitter the Brewers have on their bench.  And, you know what, he isn't a top notch runner, either.  Besides, the Brewers will have Carlos Gomez/Nyjer Morgan if they need a speedster.

Right now, outside of the shortstop conundrum, the Brewers biggest hole is a good bat on the bench, in my opinion.  None of Counsell, Kotsay, or Gomez can be relied on in a pinch hitting role.  Kottaras has some power, and can be used if the team needs a big home run, but isn't the greatest at making contact.  Hairston is the best option to pinch hit right now, though right now (small sample size alert!) he has been hitting just .265/.315/.338 since joining Milwaukee.  Overall in 2011, he's hit .267/.335/.374.  That's not the greatest bat off the bench, but right now it's the best the Brewers likely have. 

Personally, I would like to see the Brewers get a guy like Taylor Green or Mat Gamel on the bench, provided they do well over the next month.  Both players have been lighting up AAA this year (and I've already discussed Taylor Green).  Whether either player will succeed against major league pitching, either this year or in the future, has been a subject of debate.  If they do succeed, or if one would presume that they will succeed, they would likely be an asset as one of the first pinch hitters off the bench in the playoffs.  Of course, given the MLB playoff roster rules, they will have to be on the roster by September 1 to be eligible, so were this option valid, it does seem like Green would be the more likely option. 

Another option for Milwaukee would be to use that 25th roster spot for another pitcher.  The Brewers have been fine the past couple days with six bench players because of off days and the upcoming roster expansion.  In the playoffs, they'll go with a Greinke-Gallardo-Marcum-Wolf rotation, and will put Chris Narveson in the bullpen as a lefty.  Thus, the 25th roster spot could come down to Wilson or somebody who is currently in the bullpen--likely Frankie De La Cruz or Marco Estrada.  Given that the Brewers will be on a four man rotation, it might not be a bad idea to expand the bullpen.  The starters will be on short rest and can't be relied on to pitch deep into games.  The top of the Brewers bullpen has been fantastic, with the four closers anchoring them.  They can't pitch every day, though, and if games go into extra innings, it could be bad news for Milwaukee if the bullpen tires early. 

Regardless of whether you think that the 25th postseason roster spot should be used for a pitcher or a bench player/pinch hitter, one thing seems clear to me:  Josh Wilson would be a complete waste of a spot.  There are other players with the same skill sets, and who perform those skill sets better, in addition to other roster needs for the Brewers.  Maybe it's just me hoping, but I do think that Josh Wilson will be left off the postseason roster.  Had Jerry Hairston not been acquired, Wilson would have a good shot to play in the postseason.  Now, though, Wilson is just redundant, and I hope the Brewers are smart enough to use that spot more wisely.

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Counsell over Wilson?

As bad as Wilson is, I don’t think there’s any doubt that 41 year-old Craig Counsell (he of the .172 season average and the 0 for 45 streak) is the Brewers’ worst hitter, and one of the worst in all of baseball this season. Other than sentimentality, I see no reason for him to still be on the roster. I’d happily take Wilson over the offensive black hole that is the over-the-hill Counsell. If they like his veteran presence, they might as well just make him a coach instead of dead weight. Better yet, ditch them both and get Green and Gamel in there.

by pfelon on Aug 30, 2011 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Defense.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 30, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree

Sorry, but besides rewarding Counsell for his career and keeping him around, he is the one who should be gone by now. I’m sure his defense is better, but we have other defensive options who are just as good.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Aug 30, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with Charlie

CC is really REALLY good in the field. Perhaps you haven’t seen him play much, but when he does he rocks. Hard. and he gets BB’s on occasion, something sorely lacking at a few other spots in the lineup.

"Why do I slam Yuni? It's nothing personal. It's strictly business." -- Michael Corleone

by PlusorMinusThree on Aug 30, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Rogers used to have this thing called "The Land of Make-Believe"

I like to go there sometimes, and pretend that the king (Doug) will impose his will (make RRR use common sense and play the best player). Since I realize that I have to take a little red trolley that is smaller than my forearm to get there, I also realize that it can never happen. C’est la vie.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 30, 2011 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes!

I was hoping you would photoshop this!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 30, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doug looks like Captain Kangaroo with a hangover

Kinda….sorta….

"Why do I slam Yuni? It's nothing personal. It's strictly business." -- Michael Corleone

by PlusorMinusThree on Aug 30, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is RRR the manager?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 30, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Green or Gamel could be one of the first bats off the bench.

Along with Hairston. Then Gomez/Nyjer platoon, and Counsell for defense. Kotsay should be third pinch hitter on days when Nyjer is in the lineup and fourth when Gomez is starting. Besides, it’s the playoffs—every at bat will be important.

Or, strengthen the bullpen.

by Noah Jarosh on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

They could be the first off, but you know RRR isn't going to play them over veterans

I’d imagine any of the guys we’re talking about get 1 or 2 ABs in a postseason series. Generally managers will ride out the starters and go with the guys who got you there.

As long as Hawkins, Saito, Loe, K-Rod, Ax and Narv are healthy, the bullpen is pretty full.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 30, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they're getting AB they're either worthless or incredibly important

If you’re calling in your last bench player, it’s either a blowout and you’re giving your starters a rest or it’s extra innings and you’re looking to scoring the winning run. The 25th man can make a difference.

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by ecocd on Aug 30, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you really think Roenicke pitches Grienke on short rest instead of Wolf on full rest?

Oct 1 Atlanta @ Milwaukee Game #1
Oct 2 Atlanta @ Milwaukee Game #2
Oct 3 travel day
Oct 4 Milwaukee @ Atlanta Game #3
Oct 5 Milwaukee @ Atlanta Game #4
Oct 6 travel day
Oct 7 Atlanta @ Milwaukee

If we assume Roenicke has enough of a cushion to set a Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, Wolf rotation that works out to Greinke on short rest on Oct 5 and Gallardo on full rest Oct 7 or Wolf on full rest Oct 5 and Greinke on extra rest Oct 7.

I think Roenicke would rather pitch Wolf on his regular rotation than have Greinke go on short rest, but I guess that’s just me. Overall, I think the team would rather not have to make a decision at all and just wrap it up in 3 games.

I would rather go 13 bench, 12 pitchers than 12 bench, 13 pitchers for a postseason series given how dominant the bull pen has been and the guarantee of 2 off days in a series that goes 5 games.

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by ecocd on Aug 30, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

There's an article out there that suggests that Randy Wolf should start Game 1 for the Brewers if it is against the Braves.

I don’t have a link on it (I think it was an ESPN article), but here’s the main reason. The Braves are much worse against LHP than against RHP.

Atlanta’s slash line vs. LHP: .227/.296/.353/.649
Atlanta’s slash line vs. RHP: .253/.317/.411/.728

Here’s a link to the rest of Atlanta’s splits if you want to see it.

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by -JP- on Aug 30, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, for a Brewers postseason roster

They will probably carry 14 position players and 11 pitchers (4 starters, 7 relievers).

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by -JP- on Aug 30, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about that, too,

but it doesn’t necessarily make sense until the World Series when the DH is in play. We’ll know for certain tomorrow when they have to finalize how many pitchers they’re carrying in the postseason.

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by ecocd on Aug 30, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I look at it and don't see the point to carrying 8 relievers

Especially if they are all right-handed relievers, which appears to be the case (with the one exception of Chris Narveson). Plus, with rest days scheduled after every 2-3 games, the bullpen won’t get tired as easily.

If you have the 14th position player, that’s an extra guy to pinch run, come in to play defense, another option for a bat off the bench, etc. The 14th position player has more of a chance to be used over the 12th reliever.

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by -JP- on Aug 30, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially since two of the relievers will like be Narveson and Estrada

who can both pitch for several innings if required. Would be better served having a hitter on the bench who can provide a HR threat like Green or Gamel.

by Saltire on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are the Brewers down or up in the series?

If the Brewers are down 2-1, I think you send Greinke out on short rest so your two best pitchers are pitching elimination games. If they are up 2-1, you trot Wolf out with Greinke going on regular rest if needed.

Or you make the discussion moot and sweep.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Aug 30, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the interest of science...

Assuming everyone is healthy, we have Weeks, JHJ, CC, Wilson, and Yuni for middle infielders. Weeks will be on second (What will be sitting out sadly), leaving behind JHJ, CC, Yuni, and Wilson for the SS spot. Of those four… in your opinion (and you can use stats, although I’m not a big fan of the SABRmetrics), rank the four of them from best to worst in terms of fielding, batting/running. Again this is just for the interest of science :D (as I’ve mentioned before elsewhere, I haven’t been able to watch many games but I followed the box scores at least).

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by KWSN on Aug 30, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Hairston is the best, then Counsell, then WIlson, then Yuni.

Yuni and Wilson are basically the same hitter this season, but Wilson’s poor defense is better than Yuni’s awful defense.

Yuni isn’t going anywhere, though.

by Noah Jarosh on Aug 30, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on Beimel??

I’d think DM could pick him up for peanuts, given that the Pirates ate his contract and released him.

by Andrew Heidke on Aug 30, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Who's the witch?

Andrew, or the guy throwing with his left hand?

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 30, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Aug 30, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

A minor irritation

If the Deity is so valued for his defense, why doesn’t RRR ever use him as a defensive replacement late in close games? He never hesitates to use the reserve catcher (which I love), but he leaves Yuni (and McGehee for that matter) in ’til the bitter end. Defense almost frittered away the Cubs finale.

by jcollins205 on Aug 30, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Because he's dumb.

I like RRR, but lack of late-inning defense replacements is frustrating, especially since CC is a very good SS and Betancourt is a very bad one.

by Archibaldcrane on Aug 30, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come the playoffs

Any game where Axford is pitch with a 1-2 run lead and CC and Gomez are not fielding will be a poor use of resoures (Except when Gomez has already been used as a pinch runner)

by Saltire on Aug 30, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gamel seems preferable to me over Green

Perhaps this will change over the next month. But for now, Gamel has the MLB experience and can be a HR threat off the bench. Hopefully they’ll call him up before Sept. 1 and we’ll see plenty of Green before the playoffs to be able to compare.

by Cervercero on Aug 30, 2011 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

His MLB experience as been lackluster

And most people seem to think he’s only good if he plays everyday.

Unrelated – I forgot Brad Nelson was on the 2008 postseason roster.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 30, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to judge right now

Considering Green’s MLB experience is zero. What were Gamel’s numbers as a PH? I know his stats were better as an everyday player.

by Cervercero on Aug 30, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gamel's career

As starter: .214/.288/.359, 146 PA
As sub: .250/.375/.425, 48 PA

by Noah Jarosh on Aug 30, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Starter ≠ everyday player
He probably had 3 days off between each of those starts.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 30, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

And some were probably day games

Players are often times tired during day games

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 30, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, I'm on your side with that.

Those are just the splits that B-Ref had available.

by Noah Jarosh on Aug 30, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ron Roenicke: Now Tony LaRussa can’t get in without me knowing. And once a man is in your stadium, anything you do to him is nice and [winks] legal.

Doug Melvin: Is that so? [yells out kitchen window] Oh, Yuni? Won’t you join me in my office? [Yuni stops taking batting practice. Melvin stands on the wall next to the doorway, preparing to hit Yuni] Heh-heh-heh-heh…

Ron Roenicke: Uh, it doesn’t work when you invite ’em.
Yuni: Hidilly-hey!
Doug Melvin: Go hack at pitches.
Yuni: Toodledy-do!

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 30, 2011 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd solely for the mental image of Betancourt saying "Toodledy-do!"

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."

by GoGregGo on Aug 30, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yuni!

I know he is the poster-child whipping boy on this site and I agree that he’s easily the worst starting Brewer. I’ll throw this out there anyway. The average MLB SS this season is bad. Really bad. But, there are 36 players who have spent 75% of their playing time at shortstop this year. Ranked by OPS, Yuni comes in 22nd. He’s not 32nd and he’s not 36th. It could always be worse!

by Bertwerst on Aug 30, 2011 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you mean now Yuni's fat folds are catching on the towel rack.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 30, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh defense is graded too?

He’s 21st using WAR – defense on the baseball-reference site. Yep, equally below-average.

by Bertwerst on Aug 30, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's last in WAR among qualified SS

Basically, he’s the worst SS in MLB that is given regular starts

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 30, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

No need to be so negative

Couldn’t we just call him the least successful SS getting regular playing time? And he leads the team in sac flies. That isn’t an easy task.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Aug 30, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yuni needs to be made into a verb. Or an adjective.

Some kind of shorthand, like Munson’d, just so we don’t have to keep typing “worst regular player in major league baseball” over and over.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Aug 30, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team is playing too well for me to be that pissed

It is what it is, I try to pretend he doesn’t exist (he does a good job of this when he’s out in the field too).

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 30, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Combined or separate

the Reds shortstops are worse – they each have .2 WAR. Does that count for something? Good enough for 4th I guess… :)

A magic number of 12 after this series would be nice…. the games I’m going to on Sept 25 vs. FLA are pretty much Josh Wilson right now. Pointless.

by Bertwerst on Aug 30, 2011 3:44 PM CDT reply actions  

At least we don't have to watch these at-bats...

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.

by Jess'HittheBall on Aug 30, 2011 6:11 PM CDT reply actions  

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