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by Kyle Lobner on Aug 31, 2011 10:45 AM CDT
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Hangwith'em Rach compared last night's game to a terrible reality show, and it certainly was at least that frustrating. The Brewer defense gave up two runs last night, but the offense and coaching staff blew some pretty significant opportunities to take them off the hook. Most notably, they failed to score in the ninth after getting back-to-back walks to lead off the inning.
The failure started when Yuniesky Betancourt was unable to advance the runners to second and third on a bunt. This Adam McCalvy tweet sums that play up nicely:
RRR said he let Betancourt bunt because he was running out of players, and a positional regular should be able to bunt.
Roenicke is right, clearly. A major league regular should be able to get a bunt down nearly every time. The problem is that nearly every available measure clearly shows that Yuniesky Betancourt is not qualified to be a major league regular. He's now 0-for his last 21, his OBP has dropped to a career-low .267 and he's hitting .102/.117/.203 in his last 15 games. He also hasn't missed a game since July 18.
Then, following fail with more fail, Ron Roenicke lifted Jerry Hairston Jr. from the game in favor of Mark Kotsay, who ended the game by grounding into a double play. Kotsay's -.346 WPA in the game is the third worst for a Brewer this season. Nicole pointed out the bizarre logic involved in pinch hitting for Hairston but not Betancourt. Meanwhile, Taylor Green still hasn't made his major league debut.
Other notes from the field:
- Corey Hart went 2-for-4 with a double yesterday to extend his hitting streak to 12 games. That ties Nyjer Morgan for the third longest streak by a Brewer this season. Ryan Braun has both of the top two.
- Albert Pujols, noted protector of all things respectful to the game, flipped his bat after a walk and taunted the fans with a foul ball. I'm glad he'll have plenty of time to discuss those moves on the golf course in October.
- Edwin Jackson, Fernando Salas and Mark Kotsay are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- 42,384 fans paid to see last night's game.
- Chorizo won the Sausage Race.
The two teams renew hostilities tonight, with Randy Wolf taking on Jake Westbrook. Doug Miller of MLB.com has the preview.
Even after last night's loss, the Brewers are still just the sixth team in franchise history to win 50 home games in a season. They need five more wins in their final 14 games to break the franchise record of 54, set in 1978.
Before last night's game Cory Provus highlighted the importance of this series and a strong finish for the Crew. Their magic number remains at 18 this morning but could drop to 14 if they win the next two games. Tom Haudricourt talked to the Cardinals about the deficit they'd have to overcome to make the postseason.
I wasn't expecting a Brewer transaction before, but I am now: Doug Melvin told Tom Haudricourt the team "doesn't anticipate" making a trade before tonight's postseason eligibility deadline.
Looking ahead, the Brewers will face rookie starting pitchers on back to back days this week. Brandon Dickson is scheduled to start for the Cardinals tomorrow and Lucas Harrell will make his first start as an Astro (and the fourth of his career) in place of Brett Myers on Friday. You already know that and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central.
By the way, tomorrow's game is a somewhat weird 3:10 pm start. Adam McCalvy says the Brewers are experimenting with a new start time for ticket sales purposes, but it seems like virtually any start time would sell out at this point.
Today in injury notes:
- Carlos Gomez played his final rehab game for Wisconsin last night, and is expected to rejoin the team today and the active roster when it expands on Thursday (FanShot).
- Rickie Weeks' timetable is still a little longer. This week's edition of A Simple Kind of Fan looks at the ways his return will help this team.
- Manny Parra underwent arthroscopic surgery on his elbow yesterday to remove a bone spur and clean things up a bit. He's still expected to be ready for spring training next season.
Congratulations to longtime Brewer broadcaster Merle Harmon and current TV analyst Bill Schroeder, who are the Brewer nominees for the Ford C. Frick Award for excellence in baseball broadcasting. Follow the link to see how you can vote.
In the minors:
- 2011 first round pick Jed Bradley is the biggest name on the list of Brewer minor leaguers headed to the Arizona Fall League in October. He'll be joined by pitchers Brandon Kintzler, Santo Manzanillo, Dan Meadows, Cody Scarpetta and position players Scooter Gennett, Zelous Wheeler, Kentrail Davis and Logan Schafer. Follow that link for video from Bradley's appearance during the FS Wisconsin broadcast last night.
- Bradley told BA and Rock he expects to start the 2012 season with Brevard County.
- The affiliates went 4-1 last night, with Eric Marzec and two relievers holding Clearwater to three hits in Brevard County's 1-0, seven inning victory. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
As of yesterday the Brewers were projected to pick 28th in the 2012 draft.
I haven't seen my glove in years, but reading this article made me want to go dig it out: David Laurilia of FanGraphs talked to John Axford, Ryan Braun and Nyjer Morgan about the fun of playing catch.
If it wasn't for that post, then this interview of Miller Park organist Dean Rosko would be the best thing I've read today.
It's another relatively quiet day around baseball:
Orioles: Designated pitcher Mark Hendrickson for assignment.
Pirates: Released reliever Joe Beimel.
Also, it isn't official yet but Bob Nightengale of USA Today is reporting that Orioles GM Andy MacPhail, whose contract expires following the season, will not seek a new deal.
In former Brewers:
- The Indians have sent Matt LaPorta back to AAA after he posted a .238/.289/.404 line in 97 games this season.
- David Schoenfield of ESPN ranked Greg Vaughn's 1995 season as the fifth worst since 1974 for a cleanup hitter.
- The B-Ref blog lists Bob Hamelin, Ted Savage and Gabe Gross among the career leaders in walks among players with less than 1500 career at bats.
Today in baseball economics:
- Earlier this season I mentioned that the Pirates were planning on raising ticket prices for 2012. The team has gone into a freefall since then and I think that might have impacted the plans: The projected increase is now just 81 cents per seat.
- A former Giants team employee has been charged with embezzling over $1.5 million in salaries from players and other team employees.
This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History covers CC Sabathia's near no-hitter on this day in 2008. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that this is also the anniversary of two pretty notable Brewer trades: One in 1996 that sent Kevin Seitzer to the Indians for Jeromy Burnitz and one in 2002 that sent Mark Loretta to the Astros for Keith Ginter. Burnitz and Loretta each started an All Star Game after their respective trades.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to write a check.
Drink up.
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What is the basis for RRR?
His middle name Jon. Just a curiosity.
Runnin' Ron Roenicke
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Duh
I forgot! It’s easy to bash the 9th inning (because it’s the last chance and most memorable by default) and deservedly so. If Counsell bunts for Yuni or runs for Prince it’s a different game. But Ron Jon would’ve been barbequed for pulling Mr. Free-Agent-To-Be.
I think just as big a fail was Prince and McGehee not getting the runner from third base in earlier in the game.
by Bertwerst on Aug 31, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Counsell wouldn't have gotten to 3rd on Yuni's "bunt"
I dont think Gomez would have gotten to third on that.
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 31, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Counsell's last bunt adventure-
that one turned out bad. He missed two chances, eventually walked and then got thrown out stealing.
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
ummm
1. I was objecting to the hindsight that Counsell should have pinch ran for Fielder.
2. So you are saying that Counsell can get on base by taking a walk? Yup that is already positive BTY.
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 31, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point
Counsell is good at taking pitches and fouling them off. I’m not sure it always helps his chances to get a hit, but in that situation, Counsell seemed like the better guy to have up there.
By the way, if any situation called for Fielder to get pinch ran for, was that the one?
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Our bench didn't have much left for pinch-runners if you exclude pitchers
Kottaras, Counsel, Kotsay – I think that was it. Wilson was already used.
Wait…lol. Green exists – is he fast at all?
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Counsell would be the better choice.
And a pretty good one if you ask me, so why wasn’t Fielder pinch ran for with the game on the lne?
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
counsell ran for mcgehee after the Yuni bunt fiasco
I guess the logic was to have Counsell take Mcgehee’s place on 2nd as the winning run if Yuni got the bunt down. This may also be some insight into why RR chose not to have Counsell bunt for Yuni, instead leaving him as the best option to score the winning run from 2nd.
Good point
Counsell and especially Kotsay make them have to respect the possibility of a legitimate swing even if the first bunt is fouled off. Maybe RRR could’ve signaled to take the next pitch without showing bunt and then try bunting on the 3rd pitch regardless of count.
I doubt they have a signal for swing and miss, but that could’ve been especially effective for setting up a 2-strike bunt attempt.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
Ron Jon it is
"We have to beat these guys. All they do is (complain) and moan about everything, all of them. I really hate the Cardinals. Compared to the Cardinals, I love the Chicago Cubs. Let me make this clear: I hate the Cardinals" - Brandon Phillips
Ron Jon Roen
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
I know why Kotasy pitch hit last night
Because he is the best defensive designated hitter in AL history per Jim Thome
"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush
by thefreewheelin76 on Aug 31, 2011 11:06 AM CDT reply actions
Nice.
Another B-ref oddity is that Nyjer Jamid Morgan’s page doesn’t list Tony Plush as a nickname.
it's not his nickname
it’s his name, his second name. Just a detail, but Morgan seems serious about that one.
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Paul Simon writing about Yuni
The mama looked down and she spit on the ground
Every time his name gets mentioned
The papa said “oy if I get that boy I’m gonna stick him in the house of Detention”
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
One difference
Yuni will never be on the cover of Newsweek.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope there's a radical priest at Miller Park calling for his release.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
50 ways?
I only need 1.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
better yet, 50 Ways To Make An Out
by Yuniesky Betancourt
by youngmanblues on Aug 31, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
One question on that bunt
The ball hit him in the hand, not the bat. Is “the hand part of the bat” when it comes to bunting, or should that have been ruled a strike (if the ump deemed that he was offering at the pitch) or a HBP (if the ump deemed he was trying to get out of the way)?
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
HBP if it hits your hand, I'm pretty sure.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
I always thought the hand was part of the bat when bunting
But I’m too lazy to look it up.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
The baseball rulebook is about three feet to my right
But I’d rather just stick my arm out at it than pick it up.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I see what you did there...
"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."- Rogers Hornsby
by icecreamman on Aug 31, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe there's a special rule re: bunting
I just thought I remembered a player being awarded a HBP when there was some controversy over whether it hit his bat or his hands (in a Brewers game this season maybe)
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
If you're swinging at the pitch and the ball hits you
that’s a strike, right? So if you offer at the pitch with a bunt attempt and the ball hits your fingers, that would count as a swing?
Maybe?
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I'm pretty sure
That if the ball is in the strike zone, a HBP does not award first base, and instead is ruled a strike. Probably so the umpire doesn’t have to determine if the ball hit the bat or the hand.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
The hand
is part of the bat when swinging or bunting.
Guys get hit in the hands and are awarded first base all the time
granted you could be saying “well they weren’t swinging at the time” – which is why I ask.
Basically, eliminating any possibility that the ball actually hit his bat and definitely got him in the hand – what is the correct call there?
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Right
If in the act of swinging or bunting, it is to be considered part of the bat and no grace is given. If they are bailing on a ball that is bearing down on them and happens to hit the hand, then they go to first base. The umps job is to determine the batters intent and then rule based on that.
Ruling is on 6.08 (b)
God Yuni's a terrible bunter.
Can’t even get hit by a pitch right.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting note from 6.08 (b)
When the batter is touched by a pitched ball which does not entitle him to first base, the ball is dead and no runner may advance.
So the correct call should have been strike 2 and a dead ball, rather than letting the bunt be played.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Everything in that rule and following assumes that the batter does not attempt to hit or bunt the ball.
hard to asume Yuni was not swinging or bunting
that’s his bread and butter
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
How the hell do you get hit on the fingers while bunting
And not break something – or at least have bruising and swelling bad enough that you can’t grip a bat? He can’t even get injured right.
a window of replacement opportunity
and a bruised thumb sounds a lot better than a sleep disorder DL stint.
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking
if for some reason RRR wanted an “excuse” to bench Yuni, other than “holy shit this guy sucks” – maybe he can seize on this.
…man I’m really grasping at straws here.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Gerald Laird got an HBP for the Cards against the Royals
While bunting earlier this year. I believe it was the wrong call – the ump may have been swayed by Laird’s over-the-top reaction (video).
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Like any rule
it doesn’t mean it’s always enforced.
If the ump declares that you offered at the pitch, a HBP cannot be called.
This doesnt just apply to bunting.
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 31, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
so since i can't find anything anywhere
am i to assume that we can add meaty injury-proof fingers to yuni’s skill set?
Meaty fingers, ha
The fingers you have used to dial are too fat. To obtain a special dialing wand, please mash the keypad with the palm of your hand.. now.
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by Yar Nivek on Aug 31, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
1 run games and luck
This is the type of game that I have a problem with saying that record in 1 run games is based on luck.
Where the Brewers unlucky in their loss last night, no they were bad. If they would have won 1-0 or 3-2 would that had been just another lucky win for the Brewers?
"You are only a success at the moment that you do a successful act"
-Tex Winter
Well, it's a little unlucky when you score the only earned run of the game and still lose.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 31, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They had two doubles
hit the wall within a foot of going over for homers. You could call that luck if you like. Lucroy’s DP ball was a foot from being an RBI double – is that luck?
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
balls don't always bounce right
I guess that what makes pinch hitting for Hairston weigh even heavier and makes dominant starters the distinguishing factor in NL Central supremacy. There’s more room for questionable managerial decisions.
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
The concept of luck.
I like to think of luck in baseball as our way of reconciling a single and statistically insignificant moment to a less emotionally combustible but statistically relevant tapestry.
I don’t even know it that makes sense.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Aug 31, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
After McGehee walked 2 possibilities crossed my mind.
1) Counsell better be coming up to bunt, or 2) Kotsay better be pinch-hitting. I don’t think given 5 minutes to hash out possibilities, that I would have come up with what actually happened, because none of my scenarios would have involved Yuni battiing.
How bad was Yuni's bunt?
With Pooholes and whoever was a third breathing down the line, Yuni made a good bunt that went foul. The Cardinals defense sucks this year, but they still handle the bunt better than any other team at lease from what I’ve seen. With that infield in, somebody, maybe not Yuni, but somebody should a been hitting away.
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
His first attempt
went foul on the thirdbase line (where it should’ve been directed). The one that he got down went between the mound and first and Pooholes was all over it – by design. It’s the wheel play and it’s basically Alberts job to get it wherever it goes unless it’s directly at the thirdbaseman. Again, the shortstop had a leisurely jog to third to beat Fielder. Albert made a sold play, it was a bad bunt and Yuni got some “luck” in that he wasn’t doubled up.
Plus Prince didn't break right away
I don’t think he could tell exactly what happened, especially with Yuni’s “fuck that hit my hand” reaction.
Once the first bunt failed though, it would’ve been extremely difficult for anyone (Counsell included) to get a bunt far enough up the 3rd base line without going foul and still having Prince be safe.
After the first bunt failed, he should’ve taken the sign off and prayed that one of Yuni’s shitty grounders got through the extremely-far up defensive Cardinals infield.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
makes me wonder if Roenicke was in the dark about the Cardinals ability to handle bunts, but that’s hard to believe. Maybe Scott Boras secretly represents Yuni and a deal has been hatched. If RR keeps Yuni in every game, the chances of Fielder resigning increase proportionally to the height of Yuni’s lazy, backhand, tennis swing, shallow pop flies?
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish
they wouldn’t have had to waste Kottaras. I would have liked him swining away in that situation.
by jcollins205 on Aug 31, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Another thing is that a left-handed batter would have an easier time getting the bunt down the 3rd baseline
Besides the fact that Yuni is a terrible bunter, matchups would dictate Counsell, Kotsay, Green, Wolf or Narveson would’ve all been better choices.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
you don't use Counsell because
you want to keep him as a pinch runner for McGehee as the possible winning run. You don’t use Wolf or Narveson because then you’re left with no bench if you tie (Counsell runs for McGehee goes to SS and you’d have to put Green at 3rd to replace Wolf/Narv). You could use Kotsay or Green but do you want to use either of those guys on a sac bunt situation in a one run game especially when you already know you’ll be using another pinch hitter in the inning? Basically, you need Yuni to get the bunt down the 3rd base line. Yuni failed.
by Foul Tip on Aug 31, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought one basic tenet of managing was
Don’t plan for the 10th when you’re still in the 9th.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
i'm not saying i necessarily agree. more just trying to sort through the possible logic
i can understand wanting to keep CC to run for McGehee (although I don’t know why you don’t make that switch at 1st). I can also understand wanting to keep Kotsay and Green as 2 left handed bats to PH after Yuni’s at bat. I agree with you that Wolf would have been a better option to sac bunt than Yuni and, after more consideration, can’t think of any good reason for not doing it even considering extras.
You put Wolf in
Pujols is sitting on top of him from the get-go. Yuni actually had a chance to get a proper bunt down on the first attempt because the defense wasn’t full-on charging.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correction
Besides the fact that Yuni is a terrible bunter, matchups would dictate Counsell, Kotsay, Green, Wolf or Narveson would’ve all been better choices.
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 31, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I am a really bad person for thinking this but
my first reaction when Yuni bunted was that he may have broken his finger. And I said to my husband, Oh no, Yuni just smashed his finger … and then the first thought that popped into my head was, Well I guess if he broke his finger, he can’t play. And that really didn’t seem bad at all. I started to think about who would take over at SS. I smiled.
Then I chastised myself for thinking that way.
by Hangwith'em Rach on Aug 31, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I openly cheered.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
by ecocd on Aug 31, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As an annoying friend of mine pointed out, The Fred Frick Award isn't technically part of the Hall of Fame
It’s a wing in the Hall of Fame, but they’re not considered members of the Hall of Fame. Ueck signs baseballs HOF ’07, but my friend had a little tantrum when he saw it.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
The entire HoF is a little underwhelming
But the “wing” for broadcasters and writers is very much so. It had a huge negative impact on my level of interest in who is/isn’t inducted.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I haven't been.
Mostly just a few bats, a bunch of plaques and a roof?
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
It's a cool museum, it's just not big enough.
The displays and whatnot are pretty cool, but they hardly scratch the surface of the volume of stuff the Hall has sitting in a warehouse.
The actual plaque gallery was what disappointed me. All the plaques are there, but that’s it. There’s ~100 words about each player, and then you move on. I expected more of a shrine to baseball’s greatest players…really, there’s less information provided than you could get from a player’s B-Ref page.
The Spink and Frick awards are even worse. Here’s an actual photo of the place where Spink Award winners are enshrined:
One tiny wall and a paragraph. No samples of their work, no legendary calls for broadcasters, just the minimum possible acknowledgment, something to glance at as you walk by.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
It sounds like they could use a museum specialist to come in and spruce things up
I wonder if they’re doing pretty poorly financially.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
I can't believe they would be.
It’s a huge tourist attraction.
I’d guess that the biggest challenge in running the HoF is that everyone who comes to visit thinks it should be done differently, and if space were added they’d all want to use it differently.
The venue could be ten times its current size and I’d probably still want more stuff in it.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
That would be a great feature
Touch-activated, when you press a picture you get a sample of the broadcaster calling a game
That seems like a no-brainer
Kind of weird that it hasn’t been implemented.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Next to the broadcasters, there's what looks like the entrance to a little theater.
I got excited, thinking we’d be able to go in there and watch classic calls from inducted broadcasters.
It’s just a room full of movie posters.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
How upset will this forum be
when roen-ICK-E is awarded Mgr of the year?
Not very.
The only rally animal I ever want to see has a name, and that name is Gorman, dammit.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 31, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
not at all if it brings any money to the Brewers
so they can sign Yu Dervish. Who wouldn’t want to be a pitcher for the Brewers other than Carlos Zambrano?
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
If they could afford Dervish
They would sign Fielder.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
About how much money does a playoff team get?
enough to sign Fielder? or at least make a more impressive offer?
by Rob Deer For President on Aug 31, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
Not unless they make the playoffs each year. Their 2012 payroll is nearly all accounted for already with arbitration and contract raises they’ve getting their long-termers like Gallardo, Braun, Hart.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
According to Cots they have $56 million already allocated
for only 6 players (Braun,Hart,Wolf,Greinke,Weeks and Gallardo) plus the $2million due for Yuni to leave. (That group of 6 will cost $11million more than this season – with Weeks accounting for 6.5million of that)
Marcum,Gomez and Loe are all year 3 arb players with Morgan,McGehee,Kotteras and Stetter all to go to Arbritration for the 1st time.
Even with alot of players on the minimum (LuCroy and Axford the most prominate of them) it is hard to see how the Brewers could afford a $20million contract. I would guess that they have about 1/2 that amount to find a SS plus some bullpen replacements/resignings for Saito,K-Rod and Hawkins.
I won't be
every manager does dumb shit from time to time, but I like his brand of baseball usually. Stolen bases and suicide squeezes are exciting.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
race between he and Gibson
He’s done a great job, and hopefully his style of play is something they start to mold the franchise around.
But I think that Gibson has probably done the better job this year in taking a last place predicted team to the playoffs possibly, vs taking the Brewers from an expected 2nd place, to first.
I thought you expected them below 2nd.
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 31, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, he did have the Brewers tied for second
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He also picked the NL to be a collective 53 games over .500
Which would mean they’d go ~152-100 against the AL in interleague play.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That's nothing
I picked Adam Dunn on a number of my fantasy sides…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
The NBA stole my wife
He was a big reason a lot of people
includig myself picked the Sox to win the AL Central. That, and a KC-less Yuniesky Betancourt
He doesn't care about defense, or at least doesn't show it
He’s put Hairston in CF with Nyjer in RF at the same time. He never subs Yuni out of the SS position late in games. Mark Kotsay has 8 starts in CF.
Strike throwers seem to be something the GM would focus on. I don’t think RRR had any flexibility outside of the #5 spot this year.
Get a ife broseph
He's an enigma on defense
He’s only behind the Rays in cutting edge defensive positioning of his players, but he refuses to use his best defensive personnel in defense-first situations. He clearly understands defense is important, but doesn’t always put the personnel out there to execute it.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
The shifts have been toned down a ton in the second half
I think the pitchers complained about it and he stopped doing it as much as he had been.
Get a ife broseph
Yea, it's weird.
He wouldn’t have played Gomez so much if he didn’t value defense. But then to play Kotsay in center is just mind boggling.
FWIW, Brewers are one of 6 NL teams with positive fielding contributions per Fangraphs.
He wouldn't have played Gomez so much if he had another RH CF
He knows Nyjer can’t hit LHP at all, so its not like he had many other options with the roster he was given.
Will be very interesting to see how he handles it when Gomez does come back.
Get a ife broseph
18-year old organist in 2003
Remember those stories you hear of the little old lady that retires and you hear she’s been the organist for 46 years? Sounds like the Brewers might have their own retirement party in 2063 for their 78-year old organist that’s been with Miller Park for 60 years. What will baseball look like in 2063?
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
Cubs own magic number
…up to 155 years
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
The NBA stole my wife
by MrLeam on Aug 31, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Arguments
about whether the Brewers are best to continue playing Craig Counsell in the hope his defence outweighs his appalling hitting continue on BCB…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
The NBA stole my wife
Given that he looks like he's 18 when he's 41
He should look mid-40s when he’s 100. I don’t think there will be many supporters for a position play in his 40s not name Julio Franco.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
I had a feeling the organist was in his 20s or 30s
due to all the classic video game themes. Nice to see my hunch was confirmed.
Maybe this will give Melvin some impetus to get rid of Yuni
The Giants have just designated for assignment both Tejada and Rowland basically for underpreforming.
I doubt it
Dumping yearlong starters is generally the kind of move that a team that’s 6 games back makes, not one that’s 9.5 games up.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. I'm a little surprised
I guess it makes some sense in that Tejada was forced into regular action in part due to injuries. He’s been a bit like Kotsay in that sense. Cutting him now might be acknowledging that they don’t need a warm body in case of injuries. Yuni’s been a stalwart, robust starter with the manager’s every confidence in performing.
Here’s hoping yesterday’s bunt fiasco and his 0-21 hitting slump changes things. And here’s hoping Doug doesn’t pick up Tejada as SS insurance. >_<
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
Yuni’s been a stalwart, robust starter with the manager’s every confidence in performing
wow, lay it on thick why don’t you
by nullacct on Aug 31, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't put a guy on the field for 122 games out of 136 if you don't have confidence in him
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
Didn't Tejada complain that he had to bunt?
I’m guessing one big motivation for making the moves was that the clubhouse atmosphere sucked and some veterans were upset with their roles.
Get a ife broseph
Here's what I'm thinking of
If you stink and you piss off the coaches, you’re probably gone LINK
John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle notes that Tejada initially shook his head "no" several times when he saw the bunt sign from third-base coach Tim Flannery and "didn’t run hard to first." Tejada indicated to reporters that leg soreness kept him from hustling on the play, but then said the injury was "nothing to worry about."
Get a ife broseph
Rowand's line looks oddly familiar:
The 34-year-old Rowand was batting .233 with four home runs and 21 RBIs in 108 games. He was hitless in seven at-bats during the current homestand and was mired in a 1-for-24 (.042) slump dating to Aug. 13. He hasn’t drawn a walk since July 5.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Roenicke quote about Gomez' last rehab start
“Good report,” Brewers manager Ron Roenicke said. "Got an at-bat in the eighth inning. Got four at-bats. Base hit, stolen base, picked off second. Ran into the outfield wall. So he did a little of everything.
I appreciate the enthusiasm Go-Go, but please don’t go running into outfield walls on a rehab assignment. Thanks.
"He hits weak grounders AND is so slow they can play back and still get him out. He’s a f*cking worthless sack of sh*t and he needs to never play professional baseball against starting in the bottom half of this inning." - me
I like how "a little bit of everything"
includes getting picked off second base. ><
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I am trying to get this to work. I suck at puters.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 31, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
don't feel bad
i’ve a degree in computer science and have been a software engineer for about 15 years. i haven’t been able to figure it out either.
I'm glad it's not just me then...
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Comp sci + software engineer
Doesn’t mean good with administrating and operating a computer itself, just the design and coding behind it.
How is Bradley the biggest name
Kintzler is the only big leaguer of the bunch, how is some first rounder a bigger name? Ya Kintzler was hurt most of the year but still a big leaguer.
I think the better question
is how is Bradley not the biggest name? Kintzler is a middle-reliever that has thrown a whopping 22 innings in the majors with a 4.76 FIP. That’s not a big name.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Kind of surprised he was invited there
Because the league used to be for guys that were high level performers at High A and AA who were getting ready to make the leap to the major leagues.
I wonder if the Strasburg and Harper invitations have transformed the leauge into one more of highest level drafted player that signed late, and needs to get some time in before their first full season.
Or its the only chance the club had this year to get him professional experience. I doubt he is going to the afl if he had signed shortly after the draft and pitched 2 months in a ball.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Aug 31, 2011 6:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It was happening before then
Kintzler isn’t even the first rehabbing AAA guy they’ve sent. They sent McClendon last year.
By that standard
Wil Nieves is a bigger name than Bryce Harper.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 31, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bradley has a much higher ceiling, granted he is much further away from reaching it.
Everyone got a taste of Kintzler when he was in Milwaukee. Most Brewers fan haven’t had any exposure at all to Bradley, but even for those who has it will be his first pitches in the Brewers organization. Hot new first rounder ya know? I mean Dylan Covey had a fan page before he even signed a contract.
Still have to prove something
I never said Kintzler was a big name, just a bigger one as of now. Bradley is kid that hasnt thrown a pitch in pro-ball, Kintzler at least has a major league win against the best team in the majors, and throws a 95mph sinker with a plus change so I’m sure there is more to come when he’s healthy next year. I think our name standards are different. Im goin off of what the player has done, not what he is capable of or what round he is drafted. As far as Nieves and Harper, at least Nieves has 5 years in the big leagues, Harper has 2 months in AA, hasnt proved anything even though I’m sure he will.
I'd actually bet more people have heard of Bradley than they have Kintzler
If you want to use that logic for “biggest name”
Get a ife broseph
I'm on this site every day
and I barely know who Kintzler is. I couldn’t tell you what hand he throws with, his draft situation, injuries, anything.
I know who Bradley is, at least a little bit.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 31, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
If he wasn't hurt you'd know!
RHP, was signed out of independent ball. My concern about his getting sent to the AFL is he’s ridiculously old for the level.
that says everything
shows what kind of Brewer fan you are, learn your players dude
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| W | L | PCT | GB | STRK | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Cincinnati
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26 | 20 | .565 | 0 | Won 1 |
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St. Louis
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25 | 22 | .531 | 1.5 | Lost 3 |
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Houston
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22 | 24 | .478 | 4 | Lost 1 |
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Pittsburgh
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22 | 24 | .478 | 4 | Won 2 |
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Milwaukee
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19 | 27 | .413 | 7 | Lost 1 |
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Chicago
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15 | 31 | .326 | 11 | Lost 11 |
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