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Some things to read while remaining skeptical.

The Brewers finished off an 8-1 homestand with another unlikely hero getting a curtain call yesterday, as Casey McGehee hit his first career three homer game en route to a 10-5 win over the Cardinals. McGehee's game was the 16th in franchise history, and he's the eleventh player to do it. Miller Park Drunk called him Milwaukee's Dark Knight. He raised his season OPS 32 points yesterday, from .607 to .639.

Leave it to McGehee to turn today's story of revenge into a heartwarming tale: After the game he asked reporters to help him find seven year old Clayton Wollner, who he had met on the field before the game. Adam McCalvy can take it from here.

If not for McGehee, the story of yesterday's game might have been Cardinals pitcher Edwin Jackson. With the Cardinal bullpen strained following Tuesday's extra innings, Jackson was left in to pitch seven innings yesterday despite the fact that he allowed ten runs on 14 hits. He's the first pitcher to work seven innings while allowing ten or more runs since Jose Contreras in 2007, and only the second since 2002. As you might expect, Twitter was all over this. Here's Aaron Gleeman:

I have a theory that Tony La Russa believes he can punish Colby Rasmus through Edwin Jackson, like some sort of trade voodoo doll.

And The Common Man:

Edwin Jackson, yesterday in the dugout: "I dunno, Skip, the lighting looks ok to me." LaRussa: "I'll show that dirty mother-effer."

Thoughts from a red light: Had a tough day at work and wanted to go home early. But my boss wouldn't let me. Stupid Tony LaRussa

And finally, Craig Calcaterra:

"Now, Edwin; drink this gallon of milk in an hour and then you shall be a true St. Louis Cardinal!"

Fortunately, yesterday's game was played without incident after Tuesday's contest got ugly. Plunk Everyone notes that the Brewers are in the middle of the pack when it comes to pitching up and in, but have been pitched up and in more often than most other teams.

Speaking of HBP's, here's another day of reaction to Tuesday's festivities:

Meanwhile, Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar has something else for the Cardinals to complain about: He says the Brewers got the favorable strike zone in the series.

Other notes from the field:

He didn't hit three home runs yesterday or anything but Ryan Braun did go 2-for-4 with a double and score two runs, picking up his fifth multi-hit game on the homestand. David Schoenfield of ESPN.com has Braun third on his current NL MVP ballot.

Prince Fielder will likely get some consideration as well. The B-Ref Blog notes that he's one of two players who make three appearances on their list of 2011's top individual games by WPA. Interestingly enough, Cardinals infielder Daniel Descalso is the other.

Nyjer Morgan had multiple hits yesterday as well. Audrey Snyder of MLB.com has a story on Morgan, his alter-ego Tony Plush and how they've fit into the Brewer clubhouse.

The two newest Brewers, Felipe Lopez and Jerry Hairston Jr, combined for three hits yesterday. Baseball Reflections says the Brewers did baseball's sixth best job of improving their team at the trade deadline.

Meanwhile, their services at second base will be required for a little longer. Rickie Weeks is able to walk without crutches or a boot, but the team is still saying he'll likely be out for most of August.

The Brewers have the day off today before opening a series in Houston tomorrow. AJ Cassavell of MLB.com has the preview.

In the minors:

Here's something you probably could've guessed: Winning at home is good for business. The Brewers announced yesterday that they've already sold more 2011 tickets than they did for the entire 2010 season, when 2.776 million fans paid to see games at Miller Park. Three million appears to be within reach.

Mitch Stetter's 2011 season is almost certainly over, so he's picked up a new hobby: He's on Twitter. As of this writing he already has over 1200 followers.

If you'd like more Brewer content today but you're sick of reading, the View From Bernie's Chalet podcast is up. This week's topics include second base, Zack Greinke and the Brewer bullpen.

Around baseball:

Angels: Outfielder/DH Bobby Abreu's $9 million option for 2012 has vested.

If you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central, then you already know about today's bad umpiring note: Home plate umpire Bob Davidson ejected Cubs manager Mike Quade and outfielder Tyler Colvin for little to no apparent reason last night. Davidson, as you might recall, is the umpire that called Nyjer Morgan back to the plate on an HBP earlier this season and ejected a fan at Miller Park last year. Craig Calcaterra called him a disgrace, and even that seems like it's being kind.

The Pirates and Reds both lost again yesterday and are now 6.5 and 7.5 games back, respectively. Toby Harrmann noted that the Reds would need to go 34-17 down the stretch to take first place if the Brewers simply play .500 baseball from here on out.

Today in former Brewers: Matt Stairs, who was released by the Nationals this week, plans to retire.

It's relatively rare for a closer to be great for an extended period of time, as their shelf-life runs out pretty quickly. Grant Brisbee of Baseball Nation notes that only two of the 30 pitchers who led a team in saves in 2001 are still active in 2011: Jason Isringhausen and Mariano Rivera.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to being a jerk.

Drink up.

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We need to throw some cold water on this McGehee love fest

He did pretty much win the game for us yesterday, but 1 games does a bounce back make. Until he shows me that he can sustain a reasonable level of production I’ll still call for something to be done..

by SgtClueLs on Aug 4, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd like to agree with you

but the story about what he did for young Clayton is making it exceptionally hard.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Aug 4, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah he's a good guy

And we all would like to pull for the good guy to do grand things, but the fact still remains that for 2/3 of the season he hasn’t really contributed to the overall success of the Brewers.

So yeah, I hope this is the beginning of a resurgent McGehee (And that the 4 month slump was a true outlier), and I’m pulling for him, but a good guy doesn’t mean we should bury our head and ignore his long long slump.

by SgtClueLs on Aug 4, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not really representative

Up to yesterday he was 295/.313/.361. Much better than this June numbers, but not up to what we’d hope to see out of him.

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by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you throw out all the games where McGehee hits HRs

He’s basically a singles hitter with no power

by nullacct on Aug 4, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's not completely unwarranted to throw out 3 homer game

Chances are, no matter how well Casey starts hitting, that performance is a statistical outlier.

by uwbadgers on Aug 4, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't seriously believe that a single 3-HR game should be included in a 71 PA sample

As a representative sample of his overall performance. I won’t get into playing devil’s advocate for TH’s statements about removing Brewers 20-run games, but I think it’s perfectly reasonable to make note of McGehee’s numbers before the 3-HR game when taking such a small sample size.

Feel free to omit a 0-4 game on the other end if you’d like to give a more centralized estimate of his performance. I still don’t think it would bring him up to an .860 OPS.

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by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well you probably shouldn't be using a 71 game sample to draw conclusions

If you are, its sort of ridiculous not to include certain PA because they were good.

The original post used “71 PA as a signs for hope” that he’s playing better. A 3 HR game would certainly be a sign of hope, at least to me..

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't really around when this originally came up, but I know somewhat the story

Was there ever any kind of debate over whether TH was right or wrong, or was it just everyone said he was wrong immediately? I could be way off, but it seems to me that there could be reason to throw out those games for the purposes of statistical analysis if they are truly outliers (which would require some stats work, so I’m sure TH didn’t actually do that).

by uwbadgers on Aug 4, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was assumed he was wrong

That the outliers average out over the season to make the phythagorean W/L formula still work. I don’t think it’s worth debating in the comments thread. It’s a FanPost’s worth of careful analysis, at least, to make a good argument for and against it.

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by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't trying to debate at all

I was just curious if anyone did any analysis on it. It’s all moot anyway since there’s a 0% chance that Haudricourt actually did any analysis besides “Those numbers look to big, let’s get rid of them.”

by uwbadgers on Aug 4, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, not really.

TH was basically just saying that the Brewers offense wasn’t very good because of their run totals minus the games where they scored a bunch of runs. No analysis needed to see that’s silly.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Right

Inconsistent maybe, but not bad.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did some of that work on last year's stats.

The Brewers had an interesting gap. IIRC, they had one game with between 13 and 18 runs (inclusive), and 4 games over 18.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 4, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Linky

here

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 4, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool.

I comment on practically everything around here and I’m not on that thread so I must’ve missed it entirely.

I was thinking more along the lines of whether blowout wins skewed the expected results of the season. Like taking a lot of your summary statistics and relating them to overall record. Or “if we remove blowout wins, then…” analysis.

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by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty busy, but drop some more specific requests and I might be able to run them in a couple weeks.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 4, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

In other words, drop some null hypotheses on me.

And I’ll try to hook a brother up.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 4, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow. Hmmm.

I would recommend “blowout” defined by WP at the beginning of the 8th inning. If a team is going to win 98-99% of the games with an n run lead, that’s a blow out. I don’t know how to check that. I suggest 8th inning, because I would imagine most blow out wins come primarily from the 7th inning earlier (if for no other reason than 7 innings > 2 innings and the home team doesn’t hit in the bottom of the 9th if they’re winning by any margin).

Is % blowout wins correlated with how far off a team’s Pythagorean W/L is from their actual W/L?
Is % shutouts correlated with how far off a team’s Pythagorean W/L is from their actual W/L?

Pythagorean W/L could be a proxy here for how a fanbase “feels” their team is playing across an entire season. Both of those questions would get at the idea of extreme situations skewing expectations of a team’s overall performance.

And out of curiosity, is % of blowout wins correlated with % of shutouts?
Is % of blowout wins correlated with #HR’s?
I’m just curious about those.

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by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except in this case it is

Because if Casey doesn’t hit 3 HRs and grab 5 RBI then the game is tied – or we lose, and then we’re only down 1.5 games to STL and they’re on a roll against us while we go on a road trip and have to face them next week and their new pitching acquisition has a little bit of confidence because he didn’t get smacked around so bad and this race gets a lot harder from here on out. So, count em.

by nullacct on Aug 4, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

the irrational fan side of me is the one that's going nuts about him right now

obviously I know he’s not “back” yet or whatever
but it doesn’t prevent that game from being awesome!

"We have to beat these guys. All they do is (complain) and moan about everything, all of them. I really hate the Cardinals. Compared to the Cardinals, I love the Chicago Cubs. Let me make this clear: I hate the Cardinals" - Brandon Phillips

by JAMOOL on Aug 4, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The commenter at Miller Park Drunk disagrees with you
Casey is a great hero in sports games he is king,and i am very much impressed to read about him,and i am the fan now him due to his efforts of success.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Something to be done?

Benching, sending to AAA, or what are you thinking?

Who knows with him, but he’s been .292/.333/.483 since July 1st. I’m not against figuring out something else, but think he should get some sort of shot at regular playing time.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

DFA CC. (Seriously, I know he’s a fan favorite and the home boy and did great things in the past but.. he sucks now) and bring up Green and challenge him for the starting 3B spot. I know Green isn’t going to be some super star, but wishing really hard that mr. nice guy turns it around is silly. The truth is that the dick head jerk jock is probably going to take home the prom queen and screw her silly.

So yeah he’s shown a glimmer of hope by driving a ball with more line drives recently, but the conversation still needs to happen about the what if it’s a flash in the pan and we are stuck with a .230 hitter with ZERO power in the corner infield power spot?

by SgtClueLs on Aug 4, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

So let's give it a week.

If he reverts to form, then we have the conversation about what to do.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Aug 4, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

He’s been showing some signs, but I’m not convinced he’s back to the old ways. I hope, for the team, he turns it around as the FO doesn’t appear ready to make any changes no matter what the number says.

by SgtClueLs on Aug 4, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

Lots of “what-ifs.” What if he returns to his 2010 form but the Brewers benched him?

Seems like the logical thing would be to drop CC, bring up Green and let him get a couple starts per week and play the hot hand.

If McGehee has indeed turned it around (who knows?), I don’t really care that he sucked in May and June.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would you keep Wilson over C.C.?

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

CC can't hit

RR doesn’t like to use late inning defensive replacements. Therefore….

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wilson can't really hit or field.

Counsell is our own Herb Washington, no way we can cut him now.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a difference between saying Wilson can't hit, and Counsell can't hit

Counsell literally cannot get a hit, Wilson has a .280/.308/.480 line this year.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Counsell is in an unfortunate slump

Projecting them going forward, I think you have to consider them roughly equal hitters. Counsell is obviously substantially better on defense.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact, their ZiPS RoS is identical: .289 wOBA

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you really believe that?

Counsell is old, can’t drive the ball or catch up to good fastballs. I’m all for using projections but projections don’t tell you nearly everything or take into account age and existing skill set.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Projections do take into account age. As for skill set, I see no reason to think that Counsell is suddenly physically incapable of hitting major league pitching.

He’s a bad hitter in a statistically anomalous slump that makes him look worse than he probably really is.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

ZiPS, and other projection systems predict a slow decline for all aging players

When in actuality its not at all uncommon for guys in their late 30s and 40s to reach the point where they can’t physically or mentally play anymore.

You’re completing ignoring the physical skills or the player if you want to keep him because of ZiPS. Its important to use projections AND what you are seeing on the field, not just one or the other.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not knowledgeable enough to watch a player swing the bat and tell whether or not he still has it. I hope the Brewers organization is though, and C.C. is still with the team.

I think if Counsell was in an equally poor hitting slump, but wasn’t 0-fer and close to breaking a major league record, our discussion right now would be a lot different. And I think the fact that he’s 0-fer is just bad luck (in combination with poor hitting, of course).

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'd be having it with 4-42, I'm sure

If you want to go with the “trust the Org” thinking that’s fine, I tend to do that a lot as well, but I’ll be very surprised if CC starts any time soon. His usage in the big series against the Cards probably says something, as well as trading for 2 utility infielders with CC on the roster.

I’d be shocked if they weren’t extremely worried and betting the low-end on his ZiPS. Being a veteran and good clubhouse guy outweighs scouting quite a bit, especially on this team.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think you can accurately project what a 41 year old player is going to do.

He may just be done, guys can’t play forever. Just my opinion on that.

For your health!

by menchkins on Aug 4, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure how he feels about defensive replacements, but he has used them on occasion

I’ve seen him take out Kotsay and Lopez recently. If anything, he doesn’t replace everyone he should (i.e. Betancourt).

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's my main issue with it

The one glaring place that could use a defensive replacement is SS, and Yuni almost never comes out of games early.

I guess I should amend that to “he doesn’t use Counsell as a defensive replacement.”

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is odd isn't it?

He’s willing to take out Kotsay, Wilson and even Lopez… but for some reason he leaves Yuni in the entire game.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be

He’s also had a couple more nice plays… and he’s actually diving for the ball now.

Still, I can’t understand why he wouldn’t put in a defensive replacement for him… particularly if he’s not likely to get another PA.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, you got me. It's the only thing Counsell is useful for at this point and he's very useful in that role too.

Too bad he isn’t used that way which basically turns him into a useless player.

For your health!

by menchkins on Aug 4, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we may see the defensive replacements increase down the stretch

Early in the season RRR didn’t trust his bullpen, so no lead was safe and he needed his best bats in the lineup(ignore that Yuni and Kotsay were being used as ‘best bats’) all the way thru. Now that Saito, Hawkins & K-Rod are in the mix, a 2 run lead in the 7th is huge. You put the best defense you have at that point and force the other team to go station to station.

Or that is my hope.

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by Getting Yosted on Aug 4, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is there a possibility Wilson could be useful in the future?

He obviously hits better than Counsell now but that isn’t saying anything. I haven’t bothered to look at their defense lately but I know Counsell’s got to be considerably better.

For your health!

by menchkins on Aug 4, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seems that Wilson is in a 2B platoon with Flip

And Morgan/Hairston are in a CF platoon.

Not sure if that stays the same or changes.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

It seem more like Lopez is now the primary at 2B. I think Wilson has only started one game at 2B since Weeks went down.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just my guess

Lopez started that game against a LHP and looked terrible, Wilson was out there against Garcia the next game against a LHP.

Rock and BA mentioned how RR likes Lopez as a lefty, so that’s just my impression, not sure if it changes.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely could be, it would just be a little weird IMO.

When Lopez is good he doesn’t really have a major difference in his splits from batting left or right handed. Hopefully we get good Lopez.

He could be a great asset.

For your health!

by menchkins on Aug 4, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't*

That’s what I get for posting after a long meeting.

by SgtClueLs on Aug 4, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm curious.

Are you a Brewers fan or simply a baseball fan?

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by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

primarily a baseball fan

but the Brewers have been very like-able for the past several years since they’ve been getting hit by a lot of pitches. They need to pick up the HBP pace this year though.

by plunkeveryone on Aug 4, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're without Weeks!

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by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know about that.

One game can be a fluke, but anytime you hit three home runs to each part of the field, that’s a pretty big sign. He’s also been hitting the ball noticeably harder lately compared to earlier in the season.

Since the beginning of the July, he has an .816 OPS (and throwing out yesterday’s game would be like throwing out Brewers 20-run wins) and while I think he got as low as -0.6 fWAR earlier in the season, he’s climbed back out and is now at +0.2 fWAR.

I agree that it’s too early to say he’s back, but I can at least live with the decision to let him continue collecting starts for the time being. It just sucks that Green is destroying the ball and still stuck in AAA.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also worth noting that, prior to this season, McGehee would have been listed at +0.7 fWAR (before they added the base running component)

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get to see Green live tonight in C Springs

If I get the chance, I’ll tell him that we all eagerly await his September call-up.

by Brew Angel on Aug 4, 2011 1:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not necessarily

I think I read that sometimes teams will wait until the deadline just in case the player they want gets injured. This way, if he gets injured, he’s the Brewers problem… not theirs.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

They *were* all off the same pitcher

I do like that they were to all fields. That was one of Casey’s strengths as a hitter the last two years.

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by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trivia question: Which player has had the most teammates throughout his career?

Can’t figure out how to look this up right now, but Matt Stairs was my guess. Anyone?

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by JAMOOL on Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Probably the guy who's played for the most franchises

Right now Stairs is tied for playing for the most teams (12). Mike Morgan also played for 12 different teams, but he also played longer (22 vs 19 seasons), so I’d guess that he’s probably had more teammates.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

9 teams, 24 seasons

He’s probably up there. The difficulty is not knowing how many different teammates a player had without going back and counting them manually. Having played for the most teams is a quick way of looking at it, but if one of the teams a player played on for multiple years had alot of turnover, then that could be a big factor.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a spelling mistake.

It should be Kenneth Lofton.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 4, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

140th with 492 teammates

I think a lot has to do with playing in the 90’s/2000s expansion era because sometime in there teams started cranking way more players through their rosters. Through last year there have been 90 teams that had 50 or more players play for them in a season, and only 13 of those occurred before 1990. It might have been a change in roster rules with the ’95 strike or something.

by plunkeveryone on Aug 4, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

also

this was done counting everyone who had been on the same team in the same year, so people are getting counted as teammates even if they might not have actually been on the roster at the same time – like players who were traded for each other. But that’s probably not a huge number.

by plunkeveryone on Aug 4, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Molia strike 3 wasn't close? What?

That looked like an obvious strike on the inside. Just the first one that had been called all night and hence, Molina going nuts.

by Big10freak on Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

It wasn't a strike.

And it wasn’t very close.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Aug 4, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I am confusing it with another batter

but it looked identical to all the pitches early in the game thrown by Marcum that were called balls. And that is why I figured Molina went nuts.

by Big10freak on Aug 4, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

If it looked like the other pitches that were called balls earlier in the game

then why did it look like an obvious strike that time?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point being

was that the other pitches looked to be on the black but were called balls.

Knowing that Marcum is obviously biased he certainly seemed exasperated at not getting any of those calls. Other than his first start against the Reds and maybe one other time I don’t recall him looking so clearly peeved

by Big10freak on Aug 4, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

You wanna see it again?

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Aug 4, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's nice and all

Rock said it was a strike, that’s good enough for me.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Is that the one from Molina's last AB on Tuesday?

I see 7 pitches there, but I thought he only got 4 pitches.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

In fact

I don’t think he got 7 pitches in any of his PAs that day.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Say what you want about him being a douche

But that’s still damned impressive. Every pitch he took could have been called a ball.

by Brew Angel on Aug 4, 2011 1:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

So he's a douche with good pitch selection.

I don’t really have a problem with him being upset, I guess (though it’s not like his pitcher didn’t get some calls too). But there’s “that was a bad call” angry and there’s “you just hurt my child” angry. Molina might be able to tell the difference between a ball and a strike, but he clearly can’t parse out the appropriate ways to express his disapproval. My 6 year old is better at that than he is.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 4, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

But you can dislike a player while still respecting their ability.

by Brew Angel on Aug 4, 2011 6:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Molina?

Eh, he’s alright. Peak fWAR is 3.5.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 5, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct

I just checked the pitch by pitch and he had four pitches that at bat. ball, swinging strike, foul, called strike 3

by Big10freak on Aug 4, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

And maybe I am color blind

But I see two strikes and five balls based on red/green. Am I missing something?

by Big10freak on Aug 4, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't include pitches he swung at.

It’s intended to show how the ump called the game, so swings are irrelevent.

I aim to misbehave

by stempke on Aug 4, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not a strike, but not terrible.

The umpire had been calling that zone a strike all evening. Those calls against Milwaukee in San Francisco were much more egregious.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, not nearly as bad as the calls in San Francisco.

Still: clearly not a strike.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Aug 4, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

TLR

Wow… is there no level that he’s not willing to stoop down to?

He was upset about what he thought BA and Rock said during the game? Does he have someone listening to the broadcast during the game? Maybe he’s the one trying to steal signs (using the TV broadcast). What did he think he was going to accomplish by calling Rock? He can’t really do anything to him… well, maybe except complain some more.

I guess that’s why Rock wasn’t around during the post-game commentary.

I’m surprised that Joe Torre hasn’t said anything about it. He was quick to point out that Joe Maddon had broken the rules by allowing his PH to warm up on the mound to give his reliever more time to warm up, but nothing about TLR.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

His antics are just getting annoying at this point.

I almost feel bad for Cardinals fans for having to deal with his nonsense all the time, but not really.

by funnytrain on Aug 4, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i just think he is old

and his medicine has run out. Maybe they cant find a walgreens to fill it at?

get the uni dirty Yuni

by bugenj222 on Aug 4, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like Uecker said re: TLR

“I’m going with my original guess of overmedication.”

by nullacct on Aug 4, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN used BA and Rock's call over the highlights of it.

That would be my guess as to where he heard it.

I aim to misbehave

by stempke on Aug 4, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

just watched the video of the Davidson ejections

and it played like a scene from a WWF broadcast. does Davidson believe his antics add entertainment value because the home town crowd cheers him on when ejecting a visiting player/manager? here’s to Calcaterra for calling it out. I hope the tv outlets pick it up and give the story some real legs, something needs to be done.

by Foul Tip on Aug 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

The topic of "rogue" umpiring this season has been discussed already on ESPN

Not sure anything will actually be done about it.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hilarious

Although I wonder if Morgan considered that Uecker has had two heart surgeries recently before he hid in his locker.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A point of clarification

Was he hiding behind ALL of his clothing, or all of his clothing he wasn’t wearing. The latter is funny, the former is just creepy.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Aug 4, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Morgan's a weirdo

But he’s our weirdo.

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by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

So what's the prevailing opinion on a T Plush reality show?

I’d love to see that in next week’s tracking poll. Either “Would you watch a T Plush reality show?” or “Is a T Plush reality show a good idea?” or both to see if there’s a disparity.

My opinion is that it might be too much T Plush, but then again, it’s only 22 minutes with commercials and they could spend 10 minutes alone on his quest to find something to do on his off day, buying a kite and then flying a kite. All of that would be fun to watch.

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by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too much T Plush?! Impossible!

I think his reality show would look a lot like this.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reality shows are terrible in general

I wouldn’t want to submit Plush to that, he’s awesome in small doses and candid moments.

by nullacct on Aug 4, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

No thanks

I think he for the most part he’s hamming it up for the camera. During some interviews I’ve caught glimpses of him being serious.

I think even he would tire of being Tony Plush more than just the few minutes when they interview him after the game.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

5 games for Molina

link

I am too drunk to taste this chicken.

by ThroughBeingCool on Aug 4, 2011 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Originally was going to be 8.

But he got time off for “respecting the game”.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 4, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
spraying him with spittle twice while arguing

by funnytrain on Aug 4, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they want to indicate that even though he claims he didn't spit on the ump

spittle did in fact hit the ump in the face.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't going to be in today's lineup either way

Apparently he was going to get today off regardless if he had decided to appeal it or not.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

It was updated since I first read it. Apparently he’s not going to appeal it.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would have suspended him for the year

Mostly because I dislike the Cardinals

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

Bugged me that Molina made sure to mention that he’s hurt and would be taking a few days off anyway. Seems like the equivalent of a kid getting sent to their room and then saying “Fine, that’s where my toys are anyway”.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Aug 4, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

Link

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The clubhouse guy

better get the malt liquor and duct tape.

Retro uniforms: 3-0 in July

by molitorfan on Aug 4, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn

I have a bunch of BOGO coupons for Brewers tickets that I was hoping to use for decent seats. I might have missed my opportunity now.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 5, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why he was there... he managed 4 decent seats for the Friday Phillies game but

Though I would definitely get on using those tickets now. The Pirates series which starts on a Friday is almost entirely sold out. LA still is pretty open I think…

Streak Breakers.com

by Flanyboy on Aug 5, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

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