Thursday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while remaining skeptical.
The Brewers finished off an 8-1 homestand with another unlikely hero getting a curtain call yesterday, as Casey McGehee hit his first career three homer game en route to a 10-5 win over the Cardinals. McGehee's game was the 16th in franchise history, and he's the eleventh player to do it. Miller Park Drunk called him Milwaukee's Dark Knight. He raised his season OPS 32 points yesterday, from .607 to .639.
Leave it to McGehee to turn today's story of revenge into a heartwarming tale: After the game he asked reporters to help him find seven year old Clayton Wollner, who he had met on the field before the game. Adam McCalvy can take it from here.
If not for McGehee, the story of yesterday's game might have been Cardinals pitcher Edwin Jackson. With the Cardinal bullpen strained following Tuesday's extra innings, Jackson was left in to pitch seven innings yesterday despite the fact that he allowed ten runs on 14 hits. He's the first pitcher to work seven innings while allowing ten or more runs since Jose Contreras in 2007, and only the second since 2002. As you might expect, Twitter was all over this. Here's Aaron Gleeman:
I have a theory that Tony La Russa believes he can punish Colby Rasmus through Edwin Jackson, like some sort of trade voodoo doll.
And The Common Man:
Edwin Jackson, yesterday in the dugout: "I dunno, Skip, the lighting looks ok to me." LaRussa: "I'll show that dirty mother-effer."
Thoughts from a red light: Had a tough day at work and wanted to go home early. But my boss wouldn't let me. Stupid Tony LaRussa
And finally, Craig Calcaterra:
"Now, Edwin; drink this gallon of milk in an hour and then you shall be a true St. Louis Cardinal!"
Fortunately, yesterday's game was played without incident after Tuesday's contest got ugly. Plunk Everyone notes that the Brewers are in the middle of the pack when it comes to pitching up and in, but have been pitched up and in more often than most other teams.
Speaking of HBP's, here's another day of reaction to Tuesday's festivities:
- 61% of voters in a poll at ESPN.com think Tony La Russa's actions Tuesday night were "dangerous and unnecessary."
- La Russa called Bill Schroeder to complain about things said about him during the FS Wisconsin broadcast.
- Howie Magner of Milwaukee Magazine thanked La Russa for his service.
- Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker has a great post this morning on the Brewer and Cardinals' reputations, and how they've been earned.
- Babes Love Baseball said La Russa is being a big baby.
- Ryan Braun, in defense of the pitch that hit Albert Pujols, said "any good hitter in this league has to be pitched up and in at times."
Meanwhile, Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar has something else for the Cardinals to complain about: He says the Brewers got the favorable strike zone in the series.
Other notes from the field:
- Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus timed McGehee's first two home run trots at 21.63 and 23.55 seconds, and Hart's at 22.21.
- McGehee, Corey Hart and Edwin Jackson are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- After watching this week's series, Matthew Leach of MLB.com says he doesn't see how anyone can not pick the Brewers to win the Central right now.
- 41,909 fans paid to see yesterday's game.
- The Brat won the Sausage Race for the second straight day.
- Colin Fly has some clarification on the rules regarding the Miller Park roof: It can only be opened once during a game. As such, if the game starts with the roof open it can be closed, opened, then closed again.
He didn't hit three home runs yesterday or anything but Ryan Braun did go 2-for-4 with a double and score two runs, picking up his fifth multi-hit game on the homestand. David Schoenfield of ESPN.com has Braun third on his current NL MVP ballot.
Prince Fielder will likely get some consideration as well. The B-Ref Blog notes that he's one of two players who make three appearances on their list of 2011's top individual games by WPA. Interestingly enough, Cardinals infielder Daniel Descalso is the other.
Nyjer Morgan had multiple hits yesterday as well. Audrey Snyder of MLB.com has a story on Morgan, his alter-ego Tony Plush and how they've fit into the Brewer clubhouse.
The two newest Brewers, Felipe Lopez and Jerry Hairston Jr, combined for three hits yesterday. Baseball Reflections says the Brewers did baseball's sixth best job of improving their team at the trade deadline.
Meanwhile, their services at second base will be required for a little longer. Rickie Weeks is able to walk without crutches or a boot, but the team is still saying he'll likely be out for most of August.
The Brewers have the day off today before opening a series in Houston tomorrow. AJ Cassavell of MLB.com has the preview.
In the minors:
- Outfielder Brett Carroll has refused his outright assignment to Nashville and is now a free agent.
- The affiliates went 2-3 yesterday, with Scooter Gennett going 3-for-6 and hitting a walkoff single in Brevard County's 8-7, ten inning win over Dunedin. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- Rattler Radio has video highlights of Wisconsin's 2-1, 12 inning win over Clinton.
- Tim Froberg of the Appleton Post Crescent has a look at Wisconsin's recent string of solid pitching performances.
Here's something you probably could've guessed: Winning at home is good for business. The Brewers announced yesterday that they've already sold more 2011 tickets than they did for the entire 2010 season, when 2.776 million fans paid to see games at Miller Park. Three million appears to be within reach.
Mitch Stetter's 2011 season is almost certainly over, so he's picked up a new hobby: He's on Twitter. As of this writing he already has over 1200 followers.
If you'd like more Brewer content today but you're sick of reading, the View From Bernie's Chalet podcast is up. This week's topics include second base, Zack Greinke and the Brewer bullpen.
Around baseball:
Angels: Outfielder/DH Bobby Abreu's $9 million option for 2012 has vested.
If you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central, then you already know about today's bad umpiring note: Home plate umpire Bob Davidson ejected Cubs manager Mike Quade and outfielder Tyler Colvin for little to no apparent reason last night. Davidson, as you might recall, is the umpire that called Nyjer Morgan back to the plate on an HBP earlier this season and ejected a fan at Miller Park last year. Craig Calcaterra called him a disgrace, and even that seems like it's being kind.
The Pirates and Reds both lost again yesterday and are now 6.5 and 7.5 games back, respectively. Toby Harrmann noted that the Reds would need to go 34-17 down the stretch to take first place if the Brewers simply play .500 baseball from here on out.
Today in former Brewers: Matt Stairs, who was released by the Nationals this week, plans to retire.
It's relatively rare for a closer to be great for an extended period of time, as their shelf-life runs out pretty quickly. Grant Brisbee of Baseball Nation notes that only two of the 30 pitchers who led a team in saves in 2001 are still active in 2011: Jason Isringhausen and Mariano Rivera.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to being a jerk.
Drink up.
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We need to throw some cold water on this McGehee love fest
He did pretty much win the game for us yesterday, but 1 games does a bounce back make. Until he shows me that he can sustain a reasonable level of production I’ll still call for something to be done..
I'd like to agree with you
but the story about what he did for young Clayton is making it exceptionally hard.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Yeah he's a good guy
And we all would like to pull for the good guy to do grand things, but the fact still remains that for 2/3 of the season he hasn’t really contributed to the overall success of the Brewers.
So yeah, I hope this is the beginning of a resurgent McGehee (And that the 4 month slump was a true outlier), and I’m pulling for him, but a good guy doesn’t mean we should bury our head and ignore his long long slump.
That's not really representative
Up to yesterday he was 295/.313/.361. Much better than this June numbers, but not up to what we’d hope to see out of him.
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If you throw out all the games where McGehee hits HRs
He’s basically a singles hitter with no power
by nullacct on Aug 4, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not completely unwarranted to throw out 3 homer game
Chances are, no matter how well Casey starts hitting, that performance is a statistical outlier.
You can't seriously believe that a single 3-HR game should be included in a 71 PA sample
As a representative sample of his overall performance. I won’t get into playing devil’s advocate for TH’s statements about removing Brewers 20-run games, but I think it’s perfectly reasonable to make note of McGehee’s numbers before the 3-HR game when taking such a small sample size.
Feel free to omit a 0-4 game on the other end if you’d like to give a more centralized estimate of his performance. I still don’t think it would bring him up to an .860 OPS.
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Well you probably shouldn't be using a 71 game sample to draw conclusions
If you are, its sort of ridiculous not to include certain PA because they were good.
The original post used “71 PA as a signs for hope” that he’s playing better. A 3 HR game would certainly be a sign of hope, at least to me..
Get a ife broseph
I wasn't really around when this originally came up, but I know somewhat the story
Was there ever any kind of debate over whether TH was right or wrong, or was it just everyone said he was wrong immediately? I could be way off, but it seems to me that there could be reason to throw out those games for the purposes of statistical analysis if they are truly outliers (which would require some stats work, so I’m sure TH didn’t actually do that).
It was assumed he was wrong
That the outliers average out over the season to make the phythagorean W/L formula still work. I don’t think it’s worth debating in the comments thread. It’s a FanPost’s worth of careful analysis, at least, to make a good argument for and against it.
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I wasn't trying to debate at all
I was just curious if anyone did any analysis on it. It’s all moot anyway since there’s a 0% chance that Haudricourt actually did any analysis besides “Those numbers look to big, let’s get rid of them.”
Nah, not really.
TH was basically just saying that the Brewers offense wasn’t very good because of their run totals minus the games where they scored a bunch of runs. No analysis needed to see that’s silly.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did some of that work on last year's stats.
The Brewers had an interesting gap. IIRC, they had one game with between 13 and 18 runs (inclusive), and 4 games over 18.
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Cool.
I comment on practically everything around here and I’m not on that thread so I must’ve missed it entirely.
I was thinking more along the lines of whether blowout wins skewed the expected results of the season. Like taking a lot of your summary statistics and relating them to overall record. Or “if we remove blowout wins, then…” analysis.
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I'm pretty busy, but drop some more specific requests and I might be able to run them in a couple weeks.
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In other words, drop some null hypotheses on me.
And I’ll try to hook a brother up.
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Wow. Hmmm.
I would recommend “blowout” defined by WP at the beginning of the 8th inning. If a team is going to win 98-99% of the games with an n run lead, that’s a blow out. I don’t know how to check that. I suggest 8th inning, because I would imagine most blow out wins come primarily from the 7th inning earlier (if for no other reason than 7 innings > 2 innings and the home team doesn’t hit in the bottom of the 9th if they’re winning by any margin).
Is % blowout wins correlated with how far off a team’s Pythagorean W/L is from their actual W/L?
Is % shutouts correlated with how far off a team’s Pythagorean W/L is from their actual W/L?
Pythagorean W/L could be a proxy here for how a fanbase “feels” their team is playing across an entire season. Both of those questions would get at the idea of extreme situations skewing expectations of a team’s overall performance.
And out of curiosity, is % of blowout wins correlated with % of shutouts?
Is % of blowout wins correlated with #HR’s?
I’m just curious about those.
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Except in this case it is
Because if Casey doesn’t hit 3 HRs and grab 5 RBI then the game is tied – or we lose, and then we’re only down 1.5 games to STL and they’re on a roll against us while we go on a road trip and have to face them next week and their new pitching acquisition has a little bit of confidence because he didn’t get smacked around so bad and this race gets a lot harder from here on out. So, count em.
the irrational fan side of me is the one that's going nuts about him right now
obviously I know he’s not “back” yet or whatever
but it doesn’t prevent that game from being awesome!
"We have to beat these guys. All they do is (complain) and moan about everything, all of them. I really hate the Cardinals. Compared to the Cardinals, I love the Chicago Cubs. Let me make this clear: I hate the Cardinals" - Brandon Phillips
The commenter at Miller Park Drunk disagrees with you
Casey is a great hero in sports games he is king,and i am very much impressed to read about him,and i am the fan now him due to his efforts of success.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Something to be done?
Benching, sending to AAA, or what are you thinking?
Who knows with him, but he’s been .292/.333/.483 since July 1st. I’m not against figuring out something else, but think he should get some sort of shot at regular playing time.
Get a ife broseph
DFA CC. (Seriously, I know he’s a fan favorite and the home boy and did great things in the past but.. he sucks now) and bring up Green and challenge him for the starting 3B spot. I know Green isn’t going to be some super star, but wishing really hard that mr. nice guy turns it around is silly. The truth is that the dick head jerk jock is probably going to take home the prom queen and screw her silly.
So yeah he’s shown a glimmer of hope by driving a ball with more line drives recently, but the conversation still needs to happen about the what if it’s a flash in the pan and we are stuck with a .230 hitter with ZERO power in the corner infield power spot?
So let's give it a week.
If he reverts to form, then we have the conversation about what to do.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Fair enough
He’s been showing some signs, but I’m not convinced he’s back to the old ways. I hope, for the team, he turns it around as the FO doesn’t appear ready to make any changes no matter what the number says.
Right
Lots of “what-ifs.” What if he returns to his 2010 form but the Brewers benched him?
Seems like the logical thing would be to drop CC, bring up Green and let him get a couple starts per week and play the hot hand.
If McGehee has indeed turned it around (who knows?), I don’t really care that he sucked in May and June.
Get a ife broseph
Why would you keep Wilson over C.C.?
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
CC can't hit
RR doesn’t like to use late inning defensive replacements. Therefore….
Get a ife broseph
Wilson can't really hit or field.
Counsell is our own Herb Washington, no way we can cut him now.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a difference between saying Wilson can't hit, and Counsell can't hit
Counsell literally cannot get a hit, Wilson has a .280/.308/.480 line this year.
Get a ife broseph
Counsell is in an unfortunate slump
Projecting them going forward, I think you have to consider them roughly equal hitters. Counsell is obviously substantially better on defense.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
In fact, their ZiPS RoS is identical: .289 wOBA
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you really believe that?
Counsell is old, can’t drive the ball or catch up to good fastballs. I’m all for using projections but projections don’t tell you nearly everything or take into account age and existing skill set.
Get a ife broseph
Projections do take into account age. As for skill set, I see no reason to think that Counsell is suddenly physically incapable of hitting major league pitching.
He’s a bad hitter in a statistically anomalous slump that makes him look worse than he probably really is.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not that sudden. He hasn't been able to hit well all year, it's just now gotten REALLY bad.
For your health!
ZiPS, and other projection systems predict a slow decline for all aging players
When in actuality its not at all uncommon for guys in their late 30s and 40s to reach the point where they can’t physically or mentally play anymore.
You’re completing ignoring the physical skills or the player if you want to keep him because of ZiPS. Its important to use projections AND what you are seeing on the field, not just one or the other.
Get a ife broseph
Counsell is a One-Hoss Shay player
From Wikipedia
In economics, the term “one-hoss shay” is used, following the scenario in Holmes’ poem, to describe a model of depreciation, in which a durable product delivers the same services throughout its lifetime before failing with zero scrap value. A chair is a common example of such a product.
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by Yar Nivek on Aug 4, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m not knowledgeable enough to watch a player swing the bat and tell whether or not he still has it. I hope the Brewers organization is though, and C.C. is still with the team.
I think if Counsell was in an equally poor hitting slump, but wasn’t 0-fer and close to breaking a major league record, our discussion right now would be a lot different. And I think the fact that he’s 0-fer is just bad luck (in combination with poor hitting, of course).
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
We'd be having it with 4-42, I'm sure
If you want to go with the “trust the Org” thinking that’s fine, I tend to do that a lot as well, but I’ll be very surprised if CC starts any time soon. His usage in the big series against the Cards probably says something, as well as trading for 2 utility infielders with CC on the roster.
I’d be shocked if they weren’t extremely worried and betting the low-end on his ZiPS. Being a veteran and good clubhouse guy outweighs scouting quite a bit, especially on this team.
Get a ife broseph
I don't think you can accurately project what a 41 year old player is going to do.
He may just be done, guys can’t play forever. Just my opinion on that.
For your health!
I'm not sure how he feels about defensive replacements, but he has used them on occasion
I’ve seen him take out Kotsay and Lopez recently. If anything, he doesn’t replace everyone he should (i.e. Betancourt).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
That's my main issue with it
The one glaring place that could use a defensive replacement is SS, and Yuni almost never comes out of games early.
I guess I should amend that to “he doesn’t use Counsell as a defensive replacement.”
Get a ife broseph
It is odd isn't it?
He’s willing to take out Kotsay, Wilson and even Lopez… but for some reason he leaves Yuni in the entire game.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
It's all because of that damned behind the back flip to Weeks early in the season!!!
For your health!
Could be
He’s also had a couple more nice plays… and he’s actually diving for the ball now.
Still, I can’t understand why he wouldn’t put in a defensive replacement for him… particularly if he’s not likely to get another PA.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yup, you got me. It's the only thing Counsell is useful for at this point and he's very useful in that role too.
Too bad he isn’t used that way which basically turns him into a useless player.
For your health!
I think we may see the defensive replacements increase down the stretch
Early in the season RRR didn’t trust his bullpen, so no lead was safe and he needed his best bats in the lineup(ignore that Yuni and Kotsay were being used as ‘best bats’) all the way thru. Now that Saito, Hawkins & K-Rod are in the mix, a 2 run lead in the 7th is huge. You put the best defense you have at that point and force the other team to go station to station.
Or that is my hope.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Aug 4, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is there a possibility Wilson could be useful in the future?
He obviously hits better than Counsell now but that isn’t saying anything. I haven’t bothered to look at their defense lately but I know Counsell’s got to be considerably better.
For your health!
It seems that Wilson is in a 2B platoon with Flip
And Morgan/Hairston are in a CF platoon.
Not sure if that stays the same or changes.
Get a ife broseph
Really?
It seem more like Lopez is now the primary at 2B. I think Wilson has only started one game at 2B since Weeks went down.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Just my guess
Lopez started that game against a LHP and looked terrible, Wilson was out there against Garcia the next game against a LHP.
Rock and BA mentioned how RR likes Lopez as a lefty, so that’s just my impression, not sure if it changes.
Get a ife broseph
Definitely could be, it would just be a little weird IMO.
When Lopez is good he doesn’t really have a major difference in his splits from batting left or right handed. Hopefully we get good Lopez.
He could be a great asset.
For your health!
Have you seen McGehee's odd inning/even inning OPS splits?
Since July 1, he has a 1.205 OPS in odd numbered innings and a 0.453 OPS in even numbered innings. That’s the biggest gap in the league for that time period.
by plunkeveryone on Aug 4, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
primarily a baseball fan
but the Brewers have been very like-able for the past several years since they’ve been getting hit by a lot of pitches. They need to pick up the HBP pace this year though.
by plunkeveryone on Aug 4, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
We're without Weeks!
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by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about that.
One game can be a fluke, but anytime you hit three home runs to each part of the field, that’s a pretty big sign. He’s also been hitting the ball noticeably harder lately compared to earlier in the season.
Since the beginning of the July, he has an .816 OPS (and throwing out yesterday’s game would be like throwing out Brewers 20-run wins) and while I think he got as low as -0.6 fWAR earlier in the season, he’s climbed back out and is now at +0.2 fWAR.
I agree that it’s too early to say he’s back, but I can at least live with the decision to let him continue collecting starts for the time being. It just sucks that Green is destroying the ball and still stuck in AAA.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Also worth noting that, prior to this season, McGehee would have been listed at +0.7 fWAR (before they added the base running component)
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I get to see Green live tonight in C Springs
If I get the chance, I’ll tell him that we all eagerly await his September call-up.
by Brew Angel on Aug 4, 2011 1:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not necessarily
I think I read that sometimes teams will wait until the deadline just in case the player they want gets injured. This way, if he gets injured, he’s the Brewers problem… not theirs.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
If the=at's true and he is on the list I hope they've told him to get "injured" near the deadline
For your health!
Totes
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Aug 4, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
They *were* all off the same pitcher
I do like that they were to all fields. That was one of Casey’s strengths as a hitter the last two years.
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Trivia question: Which player has had the most teammates throughout his career?
Can’t figure out how to look this up right now, but Matt Stairs was my guess. Anyone?
"We have to beat these guys. All they do is (complain) and moan about everything, all of them. I really hate the Cardinals. Compared to the Cardinals, I love the Chicago Cubs. Let me make this clear: I hate the Cardinals" - Brandon Phillips
Probably the guy who's played for the most franchises
Right now Stairs is tied for playing for the most teams (12). Mike Morgan also played for 12 different teams, but he also played longer (22 vs 19 seasons), so I’d guess that he’s probably had more teammates.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
9 teams, 24 seasons
He’s probably up there. The difficulty is not knowing how many different teammates a player had without going back and counting them manually. Having played for the most teams is a quick way of looking at it, but if one of the teams a player played on for multiple years had alot of turnover, then that could be a big factor.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I think it'sTerry Mulholland
Here’s the list I came up with working from the Lahman database “fielding” table. It probably excludes some number of people who were on the roster but never played in a game, but this is as close as I can get:
Terry Mulholland – 788 (20yrs, 11teams)
Dave Weathers – 757 (19yrs, 9teams)
Rickey Henderson – 716 (25yrs, 9teams)
Ruben Sierra – 703 (20yrs, 9teams)
Rudy Seanez – 683 (17yrs, 9teams)
Matt Stairs – 681 (18yrs, 12teams)
Mike Morgan – 677 (22yrs, 12teams)
Mike Stanton – 675 (19yrs, 8teams)
David Wells – 665 (21yrs, 9teams)
Jesse Orosco – 664 (24yrs, 9teams)
Julio Franco – 658 (23yrs, 8teams)
Russ Springer – 641 (18yrs, 10teams)
Bobo Newsom – 639 (20yrs, 9teams)
Ron Villone – 633 (15yrs, 12teams)
Alan Embree – 622 (16yrs, 10teams)
Kent Mercker – 621 (18yrs, 9teams)
Gary Sheffield – 613 (22yrs, 8teams)
Todd Zeile – 613 (16yrs, 11teams)
Jamie Moyer – 604 (24yrs, 7teams)
Kenny Lofton – 602 (17yrs, 11teams)
by plunkeveryone on Aug 4, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
There's a spelling mistake.
It should be Kenneth Lofton.
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by Yar Nivek on Aug 4, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
but Rudy Huxtable told me his name is Bud
by plunkeveryone on Aug 4, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
140th with 492 teammates
I think a lot has to do with playing in the 90’s/2000s expansion era because sometime in there teams started cranking way more players through their rosters. Through last year there have been 90 teams that had 50 or more players play for them in a season, and only 13 of those occurred before 1990. It might have been a change in roster rules with the ’95 strike or something.
by plunkeveryone on Aug 4, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
also
this was done counting everyone who had been on the same team in the same year, so people are getting counted as teammates even if they might not have actually been on the roster at the same time – like players who were traded for each other. But that’s probably not a huge number.
by plunkeveryone on Aug 4, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The Molia strike 3 wasn't close? What?
That looked like an obvious strike on the inside. Just the first one that had been called all night and hence, Molina going nuts.
Maybe I am confusing it with another batter
but it looked identical to all the pitches early in the game thrown by Marcum that were called balls. And that is why I figured Molina went nuts.
If it looked like the other pitches that were called balls earlier in the game
then why did it look like an obvious strike that time?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
My point being
was that the other pitches looked to be on the black but were called balls.
Knowing that Marcum is obviously biased he certainly seemed exasperated at not getting any of those calls. Other than his first start against the Reds and maybe one other time I don’t recall him looking so clearly peeved
Didn't someone post up the pitch location graphic yesterday?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
How far off the strikezone would you estimate that pitch was?
2-3? I don’t consider that “pretty bad”.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
That's nice and all
Rock said it was a strike, that’s good enough for me.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 4, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is that the one from Molina's last AB on Tuesday?
I see 7 pitches there, but I thought he only got 4 pitches.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
In fact
I don’t think he got 7 pitches in any of his PAs that day.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Should've mentioned that in the subject line
like I did yesterday. My bad.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Say what you want about him being a douche
But that’s still damned impressive. Every pitch he took could have been called a ball.
by Brew Angel on Aug 4, 2011 1:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So he's a douche with good pitch selection.
I don’t really have a problem with him being upset, I guess (though it’s not like his pitcher didn’t get some calls too). But there’s “that was a bad call” angry and there’s “you just hurt my child” angry. Molina might be able to tell the difference between a ball and a strike, but he clearly can’t parse out the appropriate ways to express his disapproval. My 6 year old is better at that than he is.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 4, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
But you can dislike a player while still respecting their ability.
by Brew Angel on Aug 4, 2011 6:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He is a great player. One of the most valuable in all of baseball. Can't take that away from him.
For your health!
Molina?
Eh, he’s alright. Peak fWAR is 3.5.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 5, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Correct
I just checked the pitch by pitch and he had four pitches that at bat. ball, swinging strike, foul, called strike 3
And maybe I am color blind
But I see two strikes and five balls based on red/green. Am I missing something?
It doesn't include pitches he swung at.
It’s intended to show how the ump called the game, so swings are irrelevent.
I aim to misbehave
Not a strike, but not terrible.
The umpire had been calling that zone a strike all evening. Those calls against Milwaukee in San Francisco were much more egregious.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope, not nearly as bad as the calls in San Francisco.
Still: clearly not a strike.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
TLR
Wow… is there no level that he’s not willing to stoop down to?
He was upset about what he thought BA and Rock said during the game? Does he have someone listening to the broadcast during the game? Maybe he’s the one trying to steal signs (using the TV broadcast). What did he think he was going to accomplish by calling Rock? He can’t really do anything to him… well, maybe except complain some more.
I guess that’s why Rock wasn’t around during the post-game commentary.
I’m surprised that Joe Torre hasn’t said anything about it. He was quick to point out that Joe Maddon had broken the rules by allowing his PH to warm up on the mound to give his reliever more time to warm up, but nothing about TLR.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Aug 4, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
His antics are just getting annoying at this point.
I almost feel bad for Cardinals fans for having to deal with his nonsense all the time, but not really.
by funnytrain on Aug 4, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i just think he is old
and his medicine has run out. Maybe they cant find a walgreens to fill it at?
get the uni dirty Yuni
ESPN used BA and Rock's call over the highlights of it.
That would be my guess as to where he heard it.
I aim to misbehave
just watched the video of the Davidson ejections
and it played like a scene from a WWF broadcast. does Davidson believe his antics add entertainment value because the home town crowd cheers him on when ejecting a visiting player/manager? here’s to Calcaterra for calling it out. I hope the tv outlets pick it up and give the story some real legs, something needs to be done.
by Foul Tip on Aug 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The topic of "rogue" umpiring this season has been discussed already on ESPN
Not sure anything will actually be done about it.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
:)
The excitement carries over to the broadcast booth, from where legendary Brewers broadcaster Bob Uecker can’t say enough good things about what Morgan brings to the club. Praising Morgan’s lack of fear, Uecker said that it’s easy to see why people gravitate toward a player who has no problem running into a catcher to score or crashing into a wall to make a catch.
The broadcaster enjoys the banter that he and Morgan share off the field. It started in an empty clubhouse in Chicago, where a few repeated whispers of “Bob” had the announcer wondering where the sound was coming from. Uecker kept hearing his name and after walking through the clubhouse, he eventually realized that it was coming from Morgan’s locker. He looked inside and found the player hiding behind all of his clothing with a huge grin on his face.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
A point of clarification
Was he hiding behind ALL of his clothing, or all of his clothing he wasn’t wearing. The latter is funny, the former is just creepy.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Aug 4, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Morgan's a weirdo
But he’s our weirdo.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
by ecocd on Aug 4, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So what's the prevailing opinion on a T Plush reality show?
I’d love to see that in next week’s tracking poll. Either “Would you watch a T Plush reality show?” or “Is a T Plush reality show a good idea?” or both to see if there’s a disparity.
My opinion is that it might be too much T Plush, but then again, it’s only 22 minutes with commercials and they could spend 10 minutes alone on his quest to find something to do on his off day, buying a kite and then flying a kite. All of that would be fun to watch.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
Too much T Plush?! Impossible!
I think his reality show would look a lot like this.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 4, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Reality shows are terrible in general
I wouldn’t want to submit Plush to that, he’s awesome in small doses and candid moments.
No thanks
I think he for the most part he’s hamming it up for the camera. During some interviews I’ve caught glimpses of him being serious.
I think even he would tire of being Tony Plush more than just the few minutes when they interview him after the game.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
5 games for Molina
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Aug 4, 2011 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
Originally was going to be 8.
But he got time off for “respecting the game”.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
I think they want to indicate that even though he claims he didn't spit on the ump
spittle did in fact hit the ump in the face.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I wonder if he will appeal right away and miss more than 1 game against Milwaukee
or just start serving it tonight
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Aug 4, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not in the lineup
So probably the latter.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 4, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't going to be in today's lineup either way
Apparently he was going to get today off regardless if he had decided to appeal it or not.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
This article seems to indicate that he's considering appealing it
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Hmm...
Bugged me that Molina made sure to mention that he’s hurt and would be taking a few days off anyway. Seems like the equivalent of a kid getting sent to their room and then saying “Fine, that’s where my toys are anyway”.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Aug 4, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also seems like the Jays are calling up Lawrie
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Aug 4, 2011 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
Friend is trying to buy tickets at Miller Park today and theres a long line. He's been waiting 10 min now. I think 3 Million is going to happen! Yay!
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by Flanyboy on Aug 4, 2011 6:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Damn
I have a bunch of BOGO coupons for Brewers tickets that I was hoping to use for decent seats. I might have missed my opportunity now.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
That's why he was there... he managed 4 decent seats for the Friday Phillies game but
Though I would definitely get on using those tickets now. The Pirates series which starts on a Friday is almost entirely sold out. LA still is pretty open I think…
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