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by Kyle Lobner on Aug 8, 2011 9:30 AM CDT
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Some things to read while confiscating a fake ID.
Bad competition or not, the Brewers are hot right now.
While it certainly helps to have played most of these games against the Astros and Cubs, the Brewers have won 11 out of 12 games for the first time since August of 2003 to improve to 65-50. This weekend's sweep in Houston was also the first in franchise history.
The Brewers completed the sweep without Corey Hart, who sat out after being hit on the hand by a pitch Saturday. X-rays came back negative and Hart is day-to-day, just like the rest of us. He's spending the off day today with his family in Arizona and will rejoin the team early Tuesday. Hart's HBP, by the way, was the 700th in Minute Maid Park history.
Casey McGehee limped off the field following Saturday's win and was out of the lineup yesterday, but told Adam McCalvy he's not injured. McGehee, by the way, is our Brewer of the Week for the first time.
The Brewers didn't need John Axford yesterday but he's still on pace to pitch in 76 games this season, which would be tied for the fifth most in franchise history. The Brewers, however, say they're not worried about his workload. Todd Coffey (78 games in 2009) was the last Brewer to pitch more than Axford. His ERA jumped from 2.90 to 4.76 the following season.
Other notes from the field:
- Prince Fielder, Mark Kotsay (!) and Yuniesky Betancourt (!!) batted 4th-6th and powered the Brewer offense yesterday, going a combined 9-for-14. The rest of the team went 2-for-22.
- Prince Fielder, Zack Greinke and Yuniesky Betancourt are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Mr. Slice, a giant piece of pizza, threw out yesterday's first pitch.
- Fielder and Jonathan Lucroy both homered on Saturday and rounded the bases in 24.19 and 22.37 seconds, respectively. Carlos Lee (26.22) easily topped them both. Corey Hart's trot on Friday took 20.87 seconds.
- Craig Counsell snapped his long hitless streak on Friday. Brewers in 11 has a look at the long term ramifications.
Following an off day today the Brewers will open a series against the Cardinals tomorrow. Adam McCalvy has a seres preview and Spencer Fordin of MLB.com has the game preview, while Brewers in 11 has a tale of the tape for this series and the stretch run. Here's what Danny Knobler of CBS Sports had to say about the rivalry:
The Cardinals see the Brewers as kids who don't take the game seriously and don't know how to win. The Brewers see the Cardinals as bullies who don't like to have fun.
It's a rivalry, and for now, it's the best we're going to get.
At least this week's series shouldn't be boring. Sam Hendrickson of The Hardball Times rated last Tuesday's Brewers-Cardinals game as the third most exciting of the week, giving it one star.
Ryan Braun went 0-for-5 yesterday, the first time all season he's received five at bats and hasn't picked up a hit. Baseball In-Depth is listing him as the favorite to win the NL MVP.
Prince Fielder will also likely get some MVP consideration, but is his value overstated? Dave Cameron of FanGraphs has an extended look at replacement level across positions, and makes the case that the number of elite hitting first basemen in baseball makes Fielder less valuable than, for example, Rays infielder Ben Zobrist.
Fielder had a big weekend against the Astros and David Pinto of Baseball Analytics confirms what you may have suspected: The Astros threw him too many pitches up and over the middle of the plate.
In the minors:
- On Friday the Brewers agreed to terms with second round pick Jorge Lopez (a pitcher) and fifth round pick Michael Reed (an outfielder) (FanShot). The team hasn't announced where either player will be assigned but I wouldn't be surprised if neither of them make their pro debut until 2012.
- The AZL Brewers lost again last night to fall to 8-28, easily the worst record in the 13-team Arizona League. They're also so shorthanded they had to use a pitcher as their starting left fielder on Saturday.
- Another AZL outfielder, 2011 50th round pick Matthew Franco, is on Twitter.
- The Appleton Post Crescent has a profile of Wisconsin 1B/OF Jason Rogers.
- Jeremy Miedzinski of FakeTeams has a scouting report on Brevard County second baseman Scooter Gennett, who he compared to David Eckstein.
- Baseball America has a story on Brevard County pitcher Tyler Thornburg, but it's subscriber-only.
In power rankings: The JS has the Brewers fourth, up one spot.
Around baseball:
Astros: Placed pitcher Enerio Del Rosario on the DL with a shoulder strain and designated outfielder Luis Durango for assignment.
Braves: Placed pitcher Jair Jurrjens on the DL with a knee strain.
Marlins: Acquired infielder Alfredo Amezaga from the Rockies for a minor leaguer and designated infielder Joe Thurston for assignment.
Mets: Infielder Daniel Murphy will be placed on the DL with a knee injury.
Orioles: Placed pitcher Zack Britton on the DL with a shoulder strain and designated pitcher Brandon Erbe for assignment.
Padres: Placed pitcher Chris Denorfia on the DL with a hamstring strain.
Phillies: Designated pitcher Scott Mathieson for assignment.
Rays: Placed pitcher Alex Cobb on the DL with discomfort in his hand.
Reds: Placed outfielder Chris Heisey on the DL with an oblique strain.
Rockies: Placed outfielder Ryan Spillborghs on the DL with plantar fasciitis.
White Sox: Designated pitcher Brian Bruney for assignment.
You already know about Del Rosario and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central, which has the added benefit of being much less typo-riddled than most of my recent work.
Meanwhile, this weekend's scariest moment came in Denver, where Rockies pitcher Juan Nicasio had to be carted off on a stretcher after taking a line drive to the head Friday night. Nicasio underwent surgery to repair a broken vertebrae in his neck and is out indefinitely.
Today in former Brewers:
- The torch has passed from one former Brewer to another. Now that Matt Stairs is retired, Wes Helms is the active career leader in pinch hits (89).
- Brett Lawrie hit his first career home run on Sunday.
- Sergio Mitre is one of several players nominated for the "Livan Hernandez" nickname at NotGraphs.
- Bernie's Crew named Sean Berry the worst position player in Brewer history.
If you went to bed early last night then you missed one of the slowest baseball games in recent memory: The Red Sox and Yankees managed to drag all the fun out of a 3-2, 10 inning game by needing 4 hours and 15 minutes to play it. For comparison purposes, here's the box score from a 14 inning game between the Giants and Padres earlier this season that was played in 3:56.
If I actually maintained a "Wrigley Field is a dump" file, this would go in it: An Aroldis Chapman fastball busted through the protective netting behind home plate Friday night. Fortunately, no one was injured.
Speaking of embarrassing ballpark moments, here's video of two men fighting over a foul ball that landed in a trash can during an A's/Rays game. (h/t Hardball Talk)
Today in baseball economics: The Dodgers are averaging over 36,700 fans per game this season, which doesn't sound bad until you compare it to last season's 43,979, the second best in the NL. The LA Times says the attendance drop is going to cost the team $27 million this season, which is nearly 10% of their total revenue. (h/t Baseball Musings)
How did we ever get by without Twitter? Halos Heaven has a look at how it allowed us all to watch in real time as Adrian Beltre reinjured his hamstring.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to giving sock-related advice.
Drink up.
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Michael Reed played yesterday for the AZL team
I’m guessing Lopez will get assigned to AZL as well and get a few innings before the season ends, but not sure what his summer workload has been like.
Get a ife broseph
Driving in today, listening to ESPN radio
I heard Stephen A. Smith say that Yadier Molina said his behavior that got him suspended was ‘disrespectful’. I guess he would know.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Anyone have an update on Jungman and Bradley?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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way to be proactive front office...
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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really?
so we have them signed to overslot deals, just waiting for MLB approval?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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MLB only approves deals over 5% above slot
In the last days of the signing period. They believe (falsely) that if these sorts of deals were signed earlier that they would result in bonuses skyrocketing. The only thing it does is delay the inevitable.
All the while, there are no restrictions in place to limit signing bonuses for International players.
Basically what BtC said
MLB doesn’t like to approve anything other than slot, and agents hold out until the last minute.
Only 2 of the top 15 picks signed, one of them was Spangenberg who was a only picked because he would sign early.
24 of 33 first round picks haven’t signed yet.
Get a ife broseph
Thats just the way that it works
If those players have good agents, they wont be talking with the organization until the players surrounding them in the draft start signing or word starts to come out about the deals they may be getting.
For a team that's looking to restock their barren farm system
doing what everyone else does seems to be a poor business practice. Then again, not having a dominican academy for years was also a poor business practice.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Its MLB, not the Brewers
I think when all is said and done, Bradley’s bonus wont be too far off of slot, and Jungmann’s might be, but both of them can use the break this summer. I dont foresee any possible way that either of them return to college because of bonus issues. It would damage their stock, and would at best force them to sign with independant teams, and then have to go back into the draft next year, where hard slotting may be a reality.
I guess I'm just a little nervous by my complete lack of faith in Bruce Said.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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They all work together
But ultimately its up to Seid to make sure the draft pick fits the budget, or at least know the financial expectations of the draft pick when they make it.
Get a ife broseph
I know you don't like Seid
But this isn’t his fault, it is completely the fault of MLB.
Drafting cheaper guys because they will sign 2 months earlier would be a horrific strategy.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 8, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So...
You’d rather draft a bunch of guys who will sign at slot value because you can get them into the system right away?
Get a ife broseph
no
I rather have my team get the right guys and get them in so they can develop. Just a preference.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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any 'right guy' that is worthy of being picked high probably has a decent agent
that’s smart enough to understand the way things work
That's exactly what the organization wants too, per Melvin's own quotes.
MLB has a stupid policy though so the Brewers can’t though, unless Jungmann/Bradley took deals for slot or below (which, why would they?)
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so basically, its a domino falling thing
so MLB has purposely set it up for their top incoming guys have their professional debut until the year after they are drafted.
what a bunch of malarkey
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
The reasoning is supposed to be that if some players sign early with way overslot deals, it will drive up the prices of everybody else. But that’s silly, because basically everybody in the first round signs for overslot money as it is and probably wouldn’t be affected at all.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That photo
is begging for a photoshop
It is what it is.
by coolig on Aug 8, 2011 10:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
if I could photoshop...
that just screams either the Carlton OR the Hula. Either would work perfectly
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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No way
that picture is screaming for a red cape and a matador outfit.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 8, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
nothing like the boob grab
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Well
there are the “breast grasp” and, if you’re more antiquated, the “bosom snag” but I get your point…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
ahh yes, and let's not forget the "funbag fondle"
but that’s for the more uncouth of the lot
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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MrLeam!
Re: the discussion of Chris Morris some weeks ago, I would just like to concur after watching the first few episodes that Brass Eye is the greatest thing ever.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly?
It is an absolute winner. Have you seen the paedophilia special? You can read about it on Wikipedia here. It was front page news for days here and the hysteria was incredible. A government minister got ridiculed for jumping on the bandwagon and slagging it off before admitting she’s never actually seen the programme and was just going off what she’d heard.
Truly, Chris Morris is a genius.
How have you managed to catch it? DVD?
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
PS Once you've finished Brasseye
Start on The Day Today. TV News spoof done by Morris and featuring Alan Partridge among others. Equally great…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
Wow...
I’m so going to incorporate BALTIMORA into my lexicon now.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Whatever you do
don’t sniff your keyboard…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
"Now attribute that shit!" mpbMKE
It's on Youtube, though I may have to get it on DVD.
I’ve only seen the first four episodes so far and they’re all great, but I’ve heard the ‘Paedogeddon’ one might be the best. I’m not familiar with many of the celebrities he gets, but it’s still unbelievably hilarious what he gets them to say. Particularly Tania Bryer talking about the mutant clouds that rain upwards and basically everyone in the ‘Drugs’ episode.
“‘Cake’ is a made-up drug…it stimulates the part of the brain called Shatner’s Bassoon… so a second feels like a month. Almost sounds like fun, unless you’re the Prague schoolboy who walked out into the street straight in front of a tram. He thought he had a month to cross the street.”
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
What you've just written is literally "Nonce-sense"...
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
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by MrLeam on Aug 8, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did he stop short?
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Mr. Slice, a giant piece of pizza, threw out yesterday's first pitch.
This is the information that’s important to me. That’s why I come to BCB.
"We have to beat these guys. All they do is (complain) and moan about everything, all of them. I really hate the Cardinals. Compared to the Cardinals, I love the Chicago Cubs. Let me make this clear: I hate the Cardinals" - Brandon Phillips
Ken Rosenthal on STL radio
Via @tmckernan
Rosenthal: It was borderline ridiculous what the Cardinals did with the Brewers and Ryan Braun last week.
Rosenthal: When people complain about the Cardinals and when @DatDudeBP said what he said, this is the kind of stuff they’re talking about.
Rosenthal: The Cardinals are one of the least-liked teams in baseball…and part of that is the holier than thou attitude.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 8, 2011 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
nothing surprising in the comments, but surprising he said that on air in STL
for his sake, i hope he called in for the interview, lol
Thought it was interesting coming from a national guy like Rosenthal
He’s definitely connected with people all over baseball
Get a ife broseph
Rosenthal is kind of a twerp too
I think he goes around 4’11. He might have to walk around St Louis with a bodyguard now.
To paraphrase Frank Sinatra (through a Phil Hartman impersonation): LaRussa has chunks of guys like him in his stool.
@DadDudeBP is actually my twitter account
I only post websites for dads. Not websites for kids.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Aug 8, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
God bless you, son
That’s the Lord’s work you’re doing right there.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 8, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's the audio
The good stuff is between about 8:00 and 10:30.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 8, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
He thinks Berkman gets a 2-3 year deal at $10+ million per?
That’s seems sort of crazy, he turns 36 in February.
Get a ife broseph
I think the Cards might be in for a slight rebuild after this year
They have a couple of pitchers up and coming, and there is a strong possibility that LaRussa would bolt for the White Sox if that job became available.
I would be really surprised to see them give Berkman a deal like that. They will do what it takes probably to retain Pujols, but they may just pass on $10mm for a 36 year old 1B.
DO IT, CARDS.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Aug 8, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i doubt the cards pay him that, but i bet someone would...
considering Berkman has shown he can play 1B and RF, as well as DH, enough teams would be interested.
he's playing there now, so there's at least 1 team that will do it
i also said that a multiyear deal would probably only come from an AL team, because asking him to play much longer in the OF is not a good idea.
Kenneth Williams would like to talk to Lance
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 8, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Although I'd take a flier on Donkey if they released him and we were only on the hook for the minimum
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 8, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd take Berkman on his current deal ($8M) for just 2012
And stick him at 1B. He’s old as dirt, but has a OPS above .900 in 3 of the last 4 years. Would be a very nice fill-in for Prince in the last year with Greinke and Marcum.
I suspect he’ll probably get much more than that though.
Get a ife broseph
agreed
if he only takes a 1year deal and finishes with 35-40HR this year, he’d probably get 12-15M for 1 year, maybe 10per over a multiyear…if Pena got 10M/1year from the cubs…
I still don't understand what the Cubs were thinking there.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
fixed
I still don’t never understand what the Cubs were are thinking
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Yeah, I suppose.
But I should amend my original statement: I might have been able to understand what the Cubs were doing with Pena had they moved him at the trading deadline. But now? Now I’m really confused.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
They're planning to offer him arbitration
And cash in with draft picks. It’s not like anyone would take arbitration to return to the Cubs, right?
Money is money, no matter which team it comes from
(Dodgers excluded).
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i think he could get that, though only that length from an AL team i'd guess
We’ve seen good hitters get deals at higher ages. Depending how the market goes for hitters, someone may be desperate for a bat to give him the extra years.
Well, they will need a 1B next year.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Looking at the Brewers' and Cards' schedules the rest of the way
It’s kind of amazing how closely they mirror each other. After this series, neither team plays another playoff contender until they face each other again in three weeks.
Then in early September, each team goes into the gut-check part of their schedule, with a patsy or two thrown in. The Brewers have STL, @HOU, @STL, PHI, COL, @CIN; the Cardinals have @MIL, CIN, MIL, ATL, @PIT, @PHI.
Finally, both teams finish off with cream puffs, mostly at home: the Brewers have the Cubs, Marlins, and Pirates, and the Cardinals have the Mets, Cubs, and Astros.
The Cards are starting a massive stretch of home games – 21 of their next 30 – and when you combine that with both teams’ easy schedules, it’s going to be crucial to hold them off the rest of the month and not go into that early September stretch behind in the division.
there's a chance the NL Central could get the wild card though
Milwaukee is only one game behind Atlanta right now, St. Louis 4.
"We have to beat these guys. All they do is (complain) and moan about everything, all of them. I really hate the Cardinals. Compared to the Cardinals, I love the Chicago Cubs. Let me make this clear: I hate the Cardinals" - Brandon Phillips
Braves' schedule is kind of the opposite of the Brewers' and Cards'.
Tough soon, but easier the rest of the way, and no real killer stretches. After Sept. 10, they finish with a whole lot of Marlins, Nationals, and Mets, so if the Brewers need to catch them, they’d better catch them by that point.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 8, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Jurrjens on the DL, though, and they are 12-11 over last 23, if I remember right.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 8, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
McCann went down, too, about the same time Weeks did
When you have one of the best rotations in the league, two hitters on 20+ game hitting streaks (and not even your best hitters!) and you’re still only about .500 during that span, you’re officially reeling.
I think they’ll come back around and finish with 93-94 wins, but it’d sure be nice if this was how they played the rest of the way.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 8, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah i agree
it might get interesting for a bit, though. Although I read some encouraging things about Minor’s start in place of Jurrjens.
I think I’m just assuming Atlanta is a lock for the WC, and the Brewers need to win the Central to play in October.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 8, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup, that's how I see it
I see the wild card as basically a safety net in case both the Brewers and Cardinals play absolutely lights-out baseball over the last 50 games and end up with 91-92+ wins. Otherwise, it’s irrelevant – but something to keep an eye on just in case.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 8, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
So long as the back-end of the Braves bullpen (Venters and Kimbral)
keep up their preformances the Braves will be fine but they are both in line for more work than Axford, in Venters case 87 apperances. If that killer combo falters then it may expose the fact that starting pitching is a little suspect with Jurrjens out and Lowe being rubbish
Kyle Heckathorn:
gonna need to start looking into getting my degree if I keep pitching like this
by Noah Jarosh on Aug 8, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
He'll get another shot at AA
Although if he doesnt blow people away that 2nd time around his status as a top notch prospect type will definitely take a dive.
Not in my book
But he is one of the better guys in the Brewer system.
If I were going to bet, which would probably be even money right now, Peralta is the Brewer #1 going into next year. Thornburg 2. And after that, or maybe even before would come Jungmann. Throw Bradley somewhere in the top 5.
Toby from BF.net had his top 10 if they all sign
And didn’t have Heckathorn on it – I don’t really have any complaints:
1. Peralta
2. Bradley
3. Thornburg
4. Jungmann
5. Lopez
6. Scarpetta
7. Schafer
8. Gagnon
9. Green
10. Bucci
Its obviously all subjective, but Heckathorn’s stock has fallen a bit this summer.
Get a ife broseph
surprised he has Bradley above Jungmann
After the velocity drop from him. I wouldnt have Lopez that high, as he is VERY raw. That Dominican kid in A ball would make my top 10 next year for sure.
Not a whole heck of a lot to get excited about at the bottom of that list though. The whole Green thing to the Mets is something very possible given the non movement. I guess we’ll see in about three weeks.
Wow, really?
I think Jungmann is the obvious #1 now.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Peralta is the obvious #1
I don’t know how he isn’t.
There’s some concern with Junngman’s workload in college, I think that’s why a lot of people like Bradley better.
BtC – who’s the Dominican kid you’re talking about? Agree, not much to get excited about past Lopez, probably…baby steps I guess.
Get a ife broseph
Peralta is clearly better than anybody else in the Brewers system right now.
I don’t see how he is a better prospect than Jungmann though. I don’t know why but a lot of Brewers fans are being ridiculously hard on Jungmann.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Not hard on Jungmann at all
Putting him in the top 5 before he plays a minor league game is pretty good. I don’t think its being hard on him to bring up questions or concerns regarding his game.
Peralta is only 6 months older than Jungmann and has been lights out in AA with the stuff to back it up. He’s struck out more guys in AA than Jungmann did in college last year. He’ll probably be a top 100 guy this offseason.
Its not as much a slam on Jungmann as it is recognizing that Peralta has been really, really good this year.
Get a ife broseph
I disagree, I think people were spooked by hearing "#3 ceiling" and have been disappointed with the Jungmann pick ever since (not saying you in particular, but a lot of Brewers fans in general).
Jungmann is one of the most talented players the Brewers have drafted in recent memory, probably since Braun (and even that’s debatable considering expectations at the time versus what Braun turned into), and probably the most talented pitcher drafted since Ben Sheets.
I love Peralta, he’s having a really solid season as a 21-22 year old in AA, I just think Jungmann is very clearly the better prospect. Bradley too, maybe.
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by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure its all subjective
But what specifically makes you think Jungmann is very clearly the better prospect? I don’t think any scouting guys or prospect writers would have that strong of an opinion.
I think my argument that Peralta should be ranked higher is pretty well thought-out (Reports about his stuff from scouts, national rankings, AA results) – I’m curious what makes you so certain about Jungmann being better, especially since they are about the same age?
Get a ife broseph
I'm not claiming to be certain that Jungmann will be a better player than Peralta, since for the most part nobody has a very high success rate in talking about prospects.
But in terms of prospect status, Jungmann and Bradley are both almost certainly going to be in next year’s Baseball America top 100. According to Jim Callis, there will probably be 15-20 drafted players on that list, and Jungmann was a top 10 ranked draftee (prior to the 2011 season people were saying he was a potential #1 in the draft right alongside Anthony Rendon) so I’m guessing Jungmann could be somewhere in the middle of the overall top 100.
Meanwhile, I think Peralta is a fringe-top 100 guy at best. He’s having a very nice season (3.46 ERA, 3.53 FIP, 1.287 WHIP, 8.8 K/9, 3.6 BB/9) and is still young, but is that such an amazing season that he’s going to jump from #3 in the worst farm system in the majors (he was ranked behind Mark Rogers and Cody Scarpetta pre-2011) to a mid-top 100 guy? He’s having a great season, is definitely the top prospect in the system at this moment, and I think he’ll make it to the majors, but I think he’s being overrated a little because of the quality of the system surrounding him. I think basically anybody the Brewers could have drafted in the 12-15 range will end up ranking higher than Peralta next year.
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by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW - Peralta
Keith Law had him among 10 guys in his Honorable Mention list in his mid-season top 50 (so conservatively, he would be in the top 60). Keith Law is obviously not gospel, but there writers who cover MiLB that think Peralta is a borderline top 50 guy.
Short answer on Peralta’s season – Yes, that is such an amazing season to jump him up, and its not really me speaking (I’m a casual), its from national writers.
I get that you like Jungmann, I don’t understand your Peralta opinion.
Jungmann not pitching in the minors this year, and his drop in K rate and huge workload at Texas will keep him off most top 100 lists IMO, we’ll see.
Get a ife broseph
I imagine it’s easy to get into the habit of pitching to contact when nobody can make solid contact off of your stuff and you’re having one of the most dominant seasons in college baseball. Just my theory.
Was Keith Law just doing a “mention at least one player from every team” honorable mention? I like Peralta, I just don’t see how he makes such a monumental leap with a good-but-not-amazing season as far as his numbers go. Maybe he’s taking some huge step forward from a scouting perspective that isn’t reflected in his stats.
Also, I think anyone making a top 100 and leaving off Jungmann would be insane, unless their policy is to not include anyone from the draft who hasn’t played in pro ball this season. He will be on Baseball America’s list unless there’s some kind of anti-Brewer conspiracy going on or something.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Was Keith Law just doing a "mention at least one player from every team" honorable mention?
Nope.
I’ll bet you a 6 pack that Jungmann isn’t on BA’s top 100 list. Loser pays up on 2012 opening day, which will be a tough ticket as fans will still be celebrating the 2011 WS championship. Deal?
Get a ife broseph
I’m too cheap to put my money where my mouth is. =)
I would be more surprised to see Jungmann not make their list than I would to see Peralta make it, but since prospect ranking in general is such a crapshoot I’m not at all confident that I have any clue what Baseball America will actually do.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
When Jungmann wins his first Cy Young though I’m going to link to this thread!
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the kid I was thinking of
Must be injured right now. Osmel Perez, from Venezuela. I am not sure if he is the one I had in mind, looks like he took a bit of a slip the last time I looked at him, and has not pitched in a while now.
Ah yeah, good call
He got a lot of love last summer, but hasn’t pitched much this year – not sure what the deal is.
Get a ife broseph
The mug picture reminded me of a fantastic idea
The Brewers should drop a bobble-head from next year’s giveaways, in favor of Tony Plushies.
by Wayfaerer on Aug 8, 2011 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's a terrible idea
They need to revive Bat Night if they are going to get rid of a bobble-head. Bat Night is just good, clean family entertainment. ;-)
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Aug 8, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Only if Bat Night coincides
with 10 cent beer night.
"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush
by thefreewheelin76 on Aug 8, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Can fans bring their disco collection for explosive disposal the same night?
Come for the baseball, stick around for the gladiatorial games.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Aug 8, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
we could always go with pretzel night
at the end, we can rebrand them as Whitey Whackers.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Aug 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shark kite night
Imagine the stadium filled with shark kites!!!
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just when I was getting excited about Scooter
they drop the Eckstein label and doom him to the immortality of overrated, scrappy, utility-infielder hell. SIGH. Brings back hilarious FJM memories though.
by Morbidly-Obese, Right-Handed Jamie Moyer on Aug 8, 2011 1:51 PM CDT reply actions
Axford's workload
I think it’s slightly misleading to note that he’s on pace for the fifth highest workload in franchise history. That’s more an effect of the Brewers never having many good, healthy relievers than it is 76 IP being an abnormal workload. Last season, 76 IP would have been 13th among qualified relievers. In ‘09 it would have been 17th among qualified relievers. Over the last three seasons Axford has also pitched 95.0 IP (’08), 76.0 IP (‘09), and 72.1 IP (’10).
I agree that they should keep him rested, and stop using him in the occasional non-save situation, but I’m not worried about him Todd Coffeying next season.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Site tagline
Given the Crew’s recent play I think the tagline for BCB could use a change. I would love to see something about the angry birds series this week, or maybe Prince’s quote from last Tuesday’s game.
Retro uniforms: 3-0 in July
by molitorfan on Aug 8, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I second that emotion
"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush
by thefreewheelin76 on Aug 8, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I would welcome a pun on angry birds
Ugh, Shortstop
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by Yar Nivek on Aug 8, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or something simple like ...
Where Idiots Talk about Baseball
by Cervercero on Aug 8, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
For Googling purposes, Kyle has to inlcude the words "Milwaukee Brewers" in the tagline.
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"Where the Idiots of the Milwaukee Brewers talk about baseball"?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
See, now you're just taking something simple and making it difficult
It’s “Where Idiots Talk About The Milwaukee Brewers”
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 8, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
well, it's not really "talking"
and from the exchange up above, it’s not always baseball-related.
i would go with:
(a) “where mostly anonymous idiots comment on a variety of things, including the milwaukee brewers”; or
(b) “where idiots RIDE BIKES~”.
I tried valiantly to find the thread where that tagline was coined, and failed.
Anyone remember which one it was?
fka "warwick5s"
"taking something simple and making it difficult"?
I think it was one of the threads right after the K-Rod deal, when it still seemed like a complete mess re: who would close between K-Rod/Axford.
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by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
"Where we try and figure out how many bones are in the skeletons of the Milwaukee Brewers."
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
there is only one ricky bones
and i think only julio machado was responsible for a skeleton.
by Capt Science on Aug 8, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for amazingness
THANK YOU CAPTAIN SCIENCE!!!
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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tiny bones you mean.
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Very unfortunate to hear about the extent of Nicasio's injuries
In situations like this, if Nicasio is never able to play baseball again, is there some sort of workers comp he will receive for the on the job injury? Hate to see a young guy like that lose his career because of a freak accident.
Doctors are apparently optimistic he'll be able to pitch again
I’m not sure how common injury insurance is, but this is, in part, the reason for guaranteed contracts. Nicasio should earn at the major league level for the rest of this season and will have all medical bills paid through the end of this season. I don’t believe there’s any financial protection for him beyond that.
The Brewers kept Koskie as part of the organization at least in part to cover his medical expenses, but they were by no means required to do so.
Founder of the BCBCU - Est. 2011
If I recall correctly
we were responsible for Sheets rehab and other expenses in his year off.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
The team has to pay for medical bills if he's injured while playing for them.
Not cost of living or anything like that though, I think.
Wasn't there some minor controversy with Sheets?
Like the team had a doctor check him out because they thought his injury might not related to the one he had with the team in September of that year?
Get a ife broseph
Watched the video.
Wish I hadn’t.
Article I saw today said a c-1 fracture often occurs from rotational force, but my uninformed guess is that he broke his neck when he fell to the ground (possibly unconscious) and the top of his head struck the ground first jamming his skull back onto his cervical vertebrae.
If so, it’s a freak injury on 2 levels: first that the ball came straight back at his head at a speed where he couldn’t get out of the way or knock it down before impact, and second because he fell in pretty much the worst fashion possible which made the injury more severe.
Regardless, just awful, awful stuff.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 8, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Got a kick out of this-- via @JohnAxford
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by schmita91 on Aug 8, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i've been waiting for that to come out - the teaser on mlb.com from may was awesome
“MILWAUKEE — The Brewers had a little fun Saturday courtesy of Maxim magazine, which gave closer John Axford $848 to blow in one day and chronicled his spending spree for an upcoming feature.
Axford treated the coaches to an arrangement of flower-shaped cookies, bought a lucky fan lunch at Friday’s restaurant at Miller Park and hired an Elvis impersonator and a clown to celebrate Takashi Saito’s birthday … which was in February.
Saito is allegedly a huge Elvis fan prone to belting out The King’s hits in karaoke bars. The clown made him a nice hat out of balloons, which Saito wore for his afternoon workout in the weight room."
fka "warwick5s"
That's awesome. Was the Elvis impersonator Nyjer Morgan?
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by SRB on Aug 8, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
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26 | 20 | .565 | 0 | Won 1 |
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25 | 22 | .531 | 1.5 | Lost 3 |
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22 | 24 | .478 | 4 | Lost 1 |
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