Friday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while choosing wisely.
Sometimes all you can do is flush and move on.
Entering this week the Brewers were 21-3 in their last 24 home games, but they're now 0-3 in their last three after getting thumped by the Cardinals for the second straight day. Brewers in 11 has a reminder that the sky is not yet falling, but this week's events clearly have not been encouraging. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar says math is still on their side. Tom Haudricourt, though, says the Brewers have given the Cards hope.
The most troubling note from yesterday, at least to me, is this: The Brewer September callups have arrived and Ron Roenicke now has eight position players on his bench on any given day. He used just two of them yesterday: Craig Counsell (.475 OPS) and Mark Kotsay (.651). Roenicke says the September callups will play, but at this point I'm going to have to see it to believe it.
When the Brewers hired Roenicke, I think a fair number of us were excited to see what a longtime disciple of Mike Scioscia could do with this team. Scioscia is the guy who's given 241 plate appearances to a .178/.226/.258 hitting catcher (Jeff Mathis) in Anaheim this season, and it appears Ron Roenicke has brought tendencies like that with him to Milwaukee.
With that said, even with this week's failures the Brewers are in pretty good shape. This Adam McCalvy tweet sums it up:
In the interest of accuracy, Hart's quote was, "Seven and a half games is still plenty good."
Other notes from the field:
- Prince Fielder hit his 30th home run yesterday and is now the first player in franchise history to reach that mark in five straight seasons.
- Corey Hart went 2-for-5 with a homer yesterday to extend his hitting streak to 14 games. He rounded the bases in 22.35 seconds following his leadoff homer Wednesday.
- Matt Holliday's two run homer in the fifth inning was the 200th of his career.
- Holliday's homer was one of four given up by Yovani Gallardo, who had never allowed more than two in a game.
- Only two Cardinal starters were held hitless yesterday but one of them was Lance Berkman, who went 0-for-4 with four strikeouts.
- An 8-4 win and a sweep weren't enough to keep the Cardinals from complaining to the umpires.
- The Brat won the Sausage Race.'
- 34,080 paid to see yesterday's game, the smallest crowd at Miller Park since June 10. I doubt we'll be seeing another 3:10 pm weekday start again for a while.
- The Brewers had some fun before the game recreating Ryan Braun's fall between third and home from Wednesday, but in retrospect it seems like less fun.
With that embarrassing series behind them, the Brewers left for Houston last night and will open a three game series against the Astros tonight. Brewers in 11 Googled a series preview, and we'll have ours later today. Christina De Nicola of MLB.com has a preview of tonight's Zack Greinke/Lucas Harrell matchup.
Harrell is starting today in place of Brett Myers, whose wife gave birth to a baby boy (their fourth) yesterday.
Yesterday's best news came away from the field, where we all learned we spent much too much time worrying about the PTBNLs in the trade that brought Francisco Rodriguez over from the Mets. The two players headed to New York are Wisconsin reliever Adrian Rosario and Nashville reliever Daniel Ray Herrera, who the Brewers just claimed off waivers a few months ago (FanShot). Here's some reaction:
- Jim Callis of Baseball America called Rosario a "sleeper RHP w/ potential solid stuff across the board."
- Ben Badler, also of Baseball America, called them "filler-type pen arms."
Here is proof, once again, that virtually nothing Doug Melvin says publicly is worth believing. On Tuesday he told Tom Haudricourt he didn't anticipate acquiring a player before Wednesday's postseason roster deadline. Yesterday he told reporters he tried to acquire new Texas reliever Mike Gonzalez.
In the minors:
- Brewerfan.net has a list of Brewer minor leaguers who will be eligible for free agency following the season. Your opinion may vary, but in my mind the most notable players on the list are Brandon Boggs, Edwin Maysonet and Hainley Statia.
- Hunter Morris homered on Wednesday to tie Brevard County's single season record with 18. Brock Kjeldgaard also tied that record earlier this season.
- Outfielder Reggie Keen stole his 40th base of the season for Wisconsin yesterday, becoming just the sixth Timber Rattler ever to do so and the first since the team became a Brewer affiliate. He's the organizational leader in steals this season: Kentrail Davis is second with 32 for Brevard County. In terms of steals per game Helena outfielder John Dishon is the leader with 20 in 51 games.
- Baseball America has posts on Wily Peralta and Mark Rogers, but both are subscriber-only.
The Brewer magic number is still at 18 this morning, where it's remained stagnant for four days now. If you're in need of a remedial math lesson, the Janesville Gazette can teach you how to calculate the number.
In power rankings: Yahoo has the Brewers holding steady at 4.
Elsewhere in rankings: Reviewing the Brew says Robin Yount had the fourth best Brewer mustache of all time.
Around baseball:
Braves: Released Wes Helms.
Mariners: Released infielder/outfielder Matt Tuiasosopo.
Yankees: Designated pitcher Ryan Pope for assignment.
There's a strong chance this is the end of the road for Helms, who is 35 and hit .191/.276/.236 in 69 games for the Marlins this season, then was picked up and released by the Braves in the span of a month. Then again, he has a .644 OPS over the last five seasons. That's only marginally worse than Mark Kotsay's .681.
As seen in this morning's Around the NL Central, the Cubs' current GM situation might impact their ability to retain free agent-to-be Aramis Ramirez. His agent is saying he'd like to remain in Chicago, but the current state of flux in the Cubs organization is likely going to force him to become a free agent and look elsewhere. Of course, it's entirely possible the next Cubs GM will have no interest in a mid-30's third baseman who's only been worth 3.6 rWAR since 2009.
Somehow this went completely under my radar until now: The Phillies have managed to power their way to the NL's best record while burning a roster spot stashing Rule 5 pick Michael Martinez all season. Martinez is an infielder and was selected from the Nationals last winter. He's appeared in 71 games and is hitting .212/.250/.297.
Today in baseball economics:
- It's not clear whether or not the offer is serious, but a group largely funded by Chinese investors appears to have offered $1.2 billion to buy the Dodgers.
- The Orioles and Blue Jays played in front of an announced crowd of less than 12,000 yesterday as setup for an Indy Car race created major traffic issues in downtown Baltimore. Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star reported that radio stations were advising residents to stay out of the area. Even the Blue Jays didn't reach Camden Yards until 10:50 for a 12:35 first pitch. Yet, somehow, it was only the fifth smallest paid crowd in Baltimore this season.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm driving to Burlington.
Drink up.
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Dr. Cox has a message for Yuni.
What with Deity here being ridiculously gritty to the point where he has almost no hitting skills and you being warm and cuddly as an un-potty trained labradoodle, and about as useful in high-stress game situations as an un-potty trained labradoodle, together the two of you make one barely passable shortstop… slash labradoodle.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
If I'm reading this correctly
That means that the Deity is one barely passable shortstop and Yuni is an un-potty train…
Oh, I see what you did there.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Yeah, 7.5 games is probably enough, but that's looking over the wrong shoulder
The real race is with the D-backs, who are now only 2.5 games behind us in the race to NOT play the Phillies in the first round NLDS.
I’d hate to see us make the playoffs and host 1 or 2 games on a four and out. The Braves, with a banged up set of SP, would be a whole lot better match up.
I'd rather not play them at all.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Sep 2, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doubly agreed
If pressed I’d rather play them in a seven game series after having won a five game series.
I don't think the difference between Philadelphia and Atlanta is all that big.
We’re going to have to play a very good team either way.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
the only difference is home field advantage
Every man must believe in something, I believe I'll have another drink.
Go ahead, fire RR
Sveum would step in and start Yuni at SS and use Kotsay as a PH. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
by nullacct on Sep 2, 2011 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I know there is an absurd amount of RRR hate here
But I don’t think I’ve seen anyone talk about firing him since June or so.
by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 2, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I have talked about it in the last months
Multiple times. It’s a pipe dream, and I know it won’t happen.
Just so I'm clear:
you think the amount of hate is “absurd” because our criticisms of RRR are misguided, or because you think the manager doesn’t matter as much as we think he does?
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Mostly the latter.
Most of the things that piss you guys off about RRR also piss me off, too. I just think the vitriol pointed in his direction is way out of proportion with the actual importance of the decisions he makes.
Part of that is because of three big mitigating factors, which I think are often ignored in discussions about RRR:
-Like with umpires, it’s much, much easier to point out the bad decisions a manager makes than the bunches of little decisions he makes that go right. I realize that’s human nature, but it still doesn’t make it the best way to evaluate a manager’s performance.
-On some of these decisions, RRR has been handcuffed by Melvin’s roster-construction failures. (Yuni and Kotsay come to mind here.) RRR certainly hasn’t made things better on those fronts, but he’s being asked to make something out of crap.
-Every other manager in the majors does this stupid stuff too. (Except sometimes Joe Maddon.) We’re comparing him against the impossible standard of the mythic perfect manager, which isn’t exactly fair.
by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 2, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
Your third point is the main reason I don't get mad about RRR.
He’s so often compared to a statistical ideal rather than his colleagues.
by MillerParkSouth on Sep 2, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have summed up my feelings for RRR better than I ever have
And I don’t think you can count out how much the players like playing for him too. Motivation and morale are tricky things to figure out.
by Fiesta on Sep 2, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I fundamentally disagree with No. 2,
as I think Roenicke’s the main reason that Kotsay is still on the team, but I understand where you’re coming from.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
This.
If I thought it was 100% Melvin making the Kotsay decision I wouldn’t be as upset with DPR. As it is, Kotsay has been used like a high quality backup instead of just a pinch hitter.
It was nice to see Green get a PA with the game on the line tonight.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I couldn't agree more.
Especially with No. 1. I also think leadership is something we can’t see and so it’s impossible to judge in context of the other decisions that I don’t agree with.
by Cervercero on Sep 2, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure about that.
RRR seems preternaturally concerned with keeping the veterans happy. I don’t know that Sveum gives a ****.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Yeah. Maybe.
But at least he wouldn’t keep running the same lineup out there and expecting the results to change.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Not so sure
Sveum let Hart play all the time even though he was awful at the end of the year and no one is really sure what he saw in Suppan in October.
Get a ife broseph
He saw that Soup had a right arm that was capable of throwing a baseball.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Hell, I'd put an ATM at SS right now.
Somebody would hit the ball at it every once in a while.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Sep 2, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
When someone hits a line drive at the ATM
one lucky fan will win $100.
New US Bank promo.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Totally agree. Therefore, the only solution:
Fire the entire staff.
We might be...
the only baseball town in the country that would talk about firing their manager in the midst of a potential 95-win season. I sincerely believe robo-manager (or BCB-sourced managerial decisions) would not have this team in any better of a situation. The best teams in baseball often win less than 60% of the time. Call me… I don’t know, not enough of a curmudgeon to know what I’m talking about? Naive because I let winning baseball cloud my anger over low-leverage substitutions? But I can’t back the position that “he’s not doing enough” or “he’s not doing it right” when the brand of baseball they’re playing is better than anything we’ve seen in this town in nearly 30 years.
Could I pick nits if I wanted to? Yeah, always. Am I doing to bear it as my standard to prove how “into it” I am? I’d rather watch baseball.
by mpbMKE on Sep 2, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly, it's part of why I've backed off this board a little bit.
It’s a pretty consistent theme. I get that he’s not perfect, but no one really is. I’ll take Runnin’ Ron over ever single manager I have been alive to see not named Harvey Kuehn or George Bamberger. But we probably would have nit-picked them to death if they managed in the age of SABRmetrics, too.
by mpbMKE on Sep 2, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Eh, its mostly people complaining about the manager
Which is as old as baseball itself, followed by a bunch of people lecturing others about complaining about the manager.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Sep 2, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As for me...
I’m at the stage where I’m only happy when I’m pontificating about a bunch of people lecturing others about complaining about the manager…
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
The NBA stole my wife
I like Roenicke
He makes some questionable strategic decisions, but all managers do that. We just have to look at his positives elsewhere (e.g. I think he is leading this team well) and thank Counsell that our manager isn’t LaRussa or Macha.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Sep 2, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Then again, he has a .644 OPS over the last five seasons. That's only marginally worse than Mark Kotsay's .681"
But Kotsay can play CF!
Playing CF?
More recently than you probably thought… July 31st.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I'd like to start a petition.
If our sidebar can refer to Counsell as “Deity” we have to come up with something for Yuni, because he does not deserve to be called “SS”
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
The Giant Sloar
Many Shubs and Zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day, I can tell you!
by mpbMKE on Sep 2, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Butcher
The only rally animal I ever want to see has a name, and that name is Gorman, dammit.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Sep 2, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I call him Yuni'd
As in “Yuni’d a new shortstop.”
REWIND YOURSELF!
by drezdn on Sep 2, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing like the Astros to cure what ails ya
Falling asleep on the division race because you’re leaving the opposition in the dust? Embarrassed by your nearest rival because you forgot to show up to the ballpark for an entire series? Mad about getting shown up, and need something to beat up on to get your frustrations out? Ladies and Gentlemen, we have just the thing for you! The 2011 Houston Astros! Just the light hitting, weak pitching combination you’ve been looking for! Now comes with September callups!
Eat 'em up, Tigers!
by ahtrap on Sep 2, 2011 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm curious about whether this is true for others here
But I have never disliked a player on a team I root for as strongly as I dislike Yuniesky Betancourt right now. He’s made a dramatic final charge in the past couple of weeks to pass Jeff Suppan for me.
Sad though it may be to admit...Suppan at least made an effort.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
Someone tried to get me to soften my stance on Yuni...
I told him to just wait. I was right, which is usually a bad thing.
I hated Suppan more
Worst feeling in the world when you bought tickets to a game way in advance, and as the day got closer you realized that Suppan would be the starting pitching.
Yuni can do a lot of damage in one game, but not as much as Suppan could.
Get a ife broseph
Yuni does it more than once every five, though.
And Soup did us the favor of getting hurt a couple times a year.
Correction
And Soup did us the favor ofgetting hurtsleeping with a towel pillow a couple times a year.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Sep 2, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on!
Soup pitched great.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Sep 2, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just telling this to the Tramp, but I thought I'd share it here, too:
When I went to that Rockies – Astros game last week at Coors, the game was tied in the ninth. In the top of the inning, Tulo made a gorgeous play ranging to the hole — one of those where he picked the ball and then threw it sidearm all in one motion, without ever setting his feet. I gasped. Then, in the bottom of the inning, with a runner on third, Dexter Fowler sent a grounder towards the hole, and damned if Barmes didn’t make the same play that Tulo had — pick, sidearm throw without ever setting his feet, got him by a step.
When Fowler hit the ball, I said aloud: “Oh, ballgame.” When Barmes made the play, a Rockies fan turned and looked at me quizzically.
I sheepishly said: “Sorry. Our shortstop couldn’t make that play if you held the batter in the box for two extra seconds.”
Seeing my Brewers shirt, he says: “Oh. Yeah, Betancourt, right?”
Everyone knows.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Sep 2, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I've experienced the same effect
I now literally gasp when I see a good, rangy shortstop play (not even a Web Gem). It’s not even conscious – my idea of shortstop defense has just been that stunted by Yuni.
by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 2, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
He’s ruined the highlights for me because I get angry when I see a SS show any range, knowing that I’ll never have that as a Brewer fan.
Get a ife broseph
Yadiel!*
*I actually have no idea what his defense is like.
by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 2, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Its actually supposed to be pretty good
Its the offense and being in Rookie ball that are the big issues.
Get a ife broseph
He's been making a lot of E at Helena
but that may be field conditions. When he was up with the Timber Rattlers I didn’t hear any complaints from people who actually have seen him play.
I'm less frustrated about Yuni
and more frustrated about the backups. Edwin Maysonet appears to know what he is doing at SS; if they can’t get a viable replacement over the offseason, it couldn’t hurt to give him a try in the majors. He’s not the best out there, but he’s at least a replacement.
If that's the case
Might as well re-sign Hairston to be the starting SS next year.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I can't really dislike Yuni.
He is horrible at baseball, but that’s not his fault. If you put somebody with zero range or instincts at shortstop, they’re inevitably going to look like they’re not trying.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
David Eckstein had zero range and instincts
and it still looked like he was trying.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I don't care about your FWIWs.
I will make my jokes and I will make them without regard to statistics.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Sep 2, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
he WAS trying
He was trying his guts out. And in spite of being a tiny white guy with no athleticism, he plays a much better SS than Yuni
Counsell is a tiny white guy with no athleticism and he's a tremendous defender, it's not just about athleticism.
Yuni should not be playing shortstop because he clearly doesn’t have the instincts or defensive prowess to cover that position. I don’t think he’s deliberately just not trying.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Sep 2, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yuni is a tiny white guy with no athleticism trapped in a Cuban man's body.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
You know how else you can not look like you're trying?
Never go to the ground to try to catch a baseball – ever.
by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 2, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I used to dive playing ping-pong
like, regularly, and with occasional effectiveness.
I made $0 doing so. Remembering this right now makes me angry.
by Archibaldcrane on Sep 2, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I play SS on a softball team
And I dive at least a few times a game. Many times it’s just out of range, but damnit, I’m going to try. And every time it gets past me, I’m upset with myself.
I don’t get paid 4 million a year for it.
If you know you can’t get to something (and trust me, Yuni can barely get to anything) then it’s better not to needlessly dive.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Sep 2, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Sep 2, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ooh, forgot about Sheff
I did hate him back in the day, but I was too young to know true hatred at that point.
by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 2, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The adjusted start time
I don’t think the Brewers made a smart move by testing the 3:05 p.m. start time on the first day of school in Milwaukee. If you’re going to test it, do it on days that would better represent a normal day.
Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector
Out on a limb
but I’m going to guess it had something to do with a nationally televised UW football game and a preseason Packers game each starting at the exact same time as a normal first pitch. Even if you’re going to make the “it’s a pennant race” argument, it’s still a factor for some people, and I’ll bet more than a few of the 34,000 people there appreciated only having to choose between the two, and not all three.
Or maybe they really were testing a new, strange, and not terribly intuitive ticket-selling strategy.
If you're looking to avoid the Badger/Packer audience, then why not start at 1?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Valid question.
It was get-away day, so maybe it would have been a 1 o’clock game, but they thought they’d get more people at 3? Meh.
TPlush and the all stars
Not sure if someone linked to it already. But check out the ESPN Mash Up video.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 2, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
19-5
Sweep the Astros
2 of 3 vs. Cards
Split with Philly
Take both games from the Rockies
2 of 3 vs. Reds
Sweep the baby bears
2 of 3 vs. Marlins
Sweep Pirates at home
= 100 wins
I checked the spelling four times before I hit post
just to make sure a rogue “W” didn’t creep in there.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
It's good to have a visual reminder of just how badly we're spanking the division at this point
So we remember that the sky isn’t falling

by nullacct on Sep 2, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I'm not really sure why "dicking around with athletic tape" means they weren't "getting ready to play baseball".
Jesus. So they had a little bit of fun instead of sitting around and feeling like shit about losing. Who cares?
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 2, 2011 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Tongue was half in the cheek on that one.
That’s hard to convey in 140 characters.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Fair enough. My bad for taking it literally.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 2, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, not your bad.
I rant enough that your interpretation makes more sense.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Sep 2, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And in case everyone hasn't seen/read enough about it
MLB has some video of the players making it
Also, SportsCenter has it as their #1 Not-So Top 10.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Was this in the mug?
Cant remember seeing it as I was on vacation at the the time, but it raises an interesting point.
4th paragraph from the bottom has a quote from COO Schlesinger…
Raises a very interesting point about the way payroll will be run going forward into next year and beyond. One key thing would be if Fielder’s absence frees up all sorts of money that will go to raises for Braun, Gallardo, Weeks, Hart and arb for Marcum, should we be expecting some major moves to be made this offseason?
They'll probably have to disband the team after the year
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Sep 2, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know youre being sarcastic
But if they were to win the WS, I wonder what the chances would then be of a Marlin style fire sale during the offseason, where the only big names they retained were Braun and Gallardo.
Less than 1%
I only give it a chance because of the possibility that Mark A loses all his money in a ponzi scheme at some point in the offseason.
If the Brewers were in trouble financially, they wouldn’t have traded for K-Rod.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Sep 2, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm guessing extremely slim to none
Given the typical post-playoff-season surge in ticket sales for most teams, I don’t think they’d blow it up and risk killing their 2012 revenues.
I do think that there’d be a chance of trading away some of the bigger name players that aren’t signed to long-term team-friendly deals (i.e. Grienke, Marcum, maybe Hart) in the middle of 2012 to help build up the farm system.
I'm pretty sure the only way to run a franchise to use only pre-arby players
Anyone who costs more than 5 mil needs to be cut.
Exactly!
It works for the Royals, right!?!
To clarify, though, I should have said “If the team is out of contention near the middle of 2012.” I still think that the combination of Green/Gamel/Casey at the corners + NOTYuni at SS + an improved bench can produce enough WAR to get close to this year’s production. Add in a few breaks, and I think our “window of contention” extends through 2012.
by Brew Angel on Sep 2, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree completely
I was not being serious.
by cwolf20 on Sep 2, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im pretty sure that
There isnt a lot that could push the sales of tickets higher than what they are doing right now. So a surge may be a bit optimistic. They can raise prices dramatically and solve the issue though.
The point is that with a medium sized payroll, 3 million fans and a playoff spot in sight, they probably still lose money as Schlesinger said. How long does this sort of thing last is the question. Each year MA loses money year over year, it cuts into the profit he would make on a sale of the team.
you don't think
losing a few mil a year to get WI excited about baseball again would expand the fan base enough to more than make up for the loss in yoy revenue? Not an easy question to answer I guess but it seems to me that being in the red by a few mil a year is good business in the long run if it pays off w/ playoff appearances or even a WS. Even if MA is doing this b/c he loves Brewers baseball, it’s not clear to me that he hurts his bottom line if he decides to sell
by no preference on Sep 2, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Even if MA is doing this b/c he loves Brewers baseball, it's not clear to me that he hurts his bottom line if he decides to sell"
That’s because the entire notion that is will is patently ridiculous. MA has demonstrated his business top notch business acumen well before he bought the Brewers, and he’s got the Brewers business operation running white hot. The notion that if they lose money chasing a ring will hurt the resale value of the franchise is ridiculous, particularly if they avoid the kind of dead money contracts the Cubs seem to enjoy.
In any event, baseball isn’t a full time job for MA, from all appearances. He’s making money from other enterprises, and he knows he’ll more than make up the money he’s losing now when the time to sell does come around, whether that’s next year or 30 years from now. That’s true no matter how much btc enjoys playing chicken little.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 2, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't rule it out
But I’m feeling they are going to play a year of role the bones and see what happens. Hopefully the production fall off of Fielder → GamGam is countered by increased production in other parts of the game.
If they stumble out of the box though.. look out.
So I'm watching the Angels/Mariners game with the wife and Braunophile last night
And the starting pitcher for Seattle is “Furbush.”
I say, “Really, Furbush? That’s his name?”
The wife responds, without missing a beat, “It’s better than Pujols.”
by Brew Angel on Sep 2, 2011 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs











































