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Good morning, baseball fans, and welcome to the first Frosty Mug covering your 2011 NL Central Champion Milwaukee Brewers. If you haven't yet (or haven't recently), go back and check out JP's coverage of Friday night's events and festivities. He was up through the night (and a site outage) collecting a massive collage of celebration.

Of course, we weren't the only ones celebrating. For more festivities check out @Not_Tony_Plush, Hangwith'em Rach, Disciples of Uecker, and Brewers Mix. Adam McCalvy has a roundup of the MLB.com coverage.

The Brewers clinched a little more history on Saturday, as John Axford set a new franchise record with his 45th save. He's moved into the top five on the Brewer all time list with 70 for his career, and his 42 consecutive conversions are the third longest streak in NL history.

And the history didn't stop there: By completing the sweep yesterday the Brewers picked up their 55th home win of the season, setting a new franchise record.

Other notes from the field:

The Brewers open their final series of the regular season tonight, with the Pirates coming to town and the Crew needing just one win to tie the franchise record with 95. Adam Berry of MLB.com has the preview.

If nothing else, the Brewers will pass one more milestone this week: 43,347 fans paid to see yesterday's game and pushed the season total to 2.946 million. The three millionth fan into Miller Park this season should come on Tuesday.

Looking ahead, the Brewers will hold a rally Thursday afternoon on the Summerfest grounds to celebrate their postseason appearance. Follow that link for more information.

Jonathan Lucroy sat out yesterday's game, with George Kottaras going 2-for-4 with a pair of RBI in his place. Ron Roenicke said it was "just a rest day" for Lucroy. MGL of The Book Blog has a look at how Lucroy and other catchers credited with good framing skills impact the game.

The Brewers have some interesting decisions to make this week regarding the playoff rotation. Yovani Gallardo is scheduled to start on Wednesday and Ron Roenicke says he will do that as long as playoff positioning is still at stake. If he starts, though, Gallardo wouldn't be available again until game three of the NLDS. Gallardo, by the way, tied Ryan Braun in the voting and as such is a Co-Brewer of the Week.

Regardless of how things shake out this week, I think the decision to start Zack Greinke in game one of the NLDS is a pretty easy one. Ben Duronio of ESPN.com says Greinke could be October's secret weapon.

Jerry Hairston Jr made another start at third base yesterday and went 2-for-4 with a double and three runs scored. Ron Roenicke told Todd Rosiak that he's considering spreading around the playing time at third this week and in the playoffs. Hairston has Tom Haudricourt's vote.

The decision to use Jerry Hairston at third leaves Taylor Green's short term future somewhat uncertain. Either he or Josh Wilson will likely be left off the NLDS roster, and Ron Roenicke said the decision will come down to which opponent they're facing.

Barring something unforeseen, Randy Wolf will make his final regular season start tomorrow. The Brewers Blurb has a look at him as the likely fourth member of the playoff rotation.

Francisco Rodriguez had a pretty good weekend, picking up the win on Friday and pitching a scoreless eighth on Saturday. The Janesville Gazette's Peace and Glove blog praised his work as the Brewers' "8th inning closer." Tom Haudricourt credited the bullpen with powering the playoff surge.

Ryan Braun strengthened his case for MVP this weekend, going 5-for-10 with four extra base hits (including a rather important home run and 23.14 second trot you might have seen). Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar says Braun is not the MVP, but Prince Fielder says he is. That's what you get for being objective, Jaymes. Cory Provus, meanwhile, makes the case for Fielder.

Here's today's remaining Prince Fielder free agency note:

Elsewhere in awards: Nyjer Morgan was named the Brewers' High Energy Player of the Year and presented two trophies Friday: one for him and one for Tony Plush.

Ron Roenicke is among relatively rare company as a rookie manager taking his team to the playoffs. Bob Nightengale of USA Today is still predicting Kirk Gibson will beat him out for Manager of the Year, though. Unless Joe Maddon and the Rays make the playoffs, by the way, Roenicke will be the only Mike Scioscia disciple competing for a World Series.

Meanwhile, expect a contract extension for Doug Melvin to be announced shortly after the season: He only has one year left remaining on his deal but says he won't allow it to become a distraction.

Zach Braddock would likely be a key lefty in the Brewer bullpen if he was with the team, but unfortunately there's no news to report there. Adam McCalvy says he has "absolutely no idea" regarding Braddock's future.

In the minors:

  • Adam McCalvy talked to Doug Melvin about last week's minor league coaching shakeup, and Melvin said he replaced Money as Nashville manager to "accomodate a request" from Money, who was sick of the travel.
  • Minor League Baseball Prospects finished their league top prospect lists: Wily Peralta, Caleb Gindl and Dan Meadows made the PCL Top 40, Peralta was the only Brewer to make the Southern League list, and Nick Bucci and Scooter Gennett made the Florida State League top 40. No Brewers made the Midwest League list.
  • Wisconsin has been nominated for a MILBy for their "Scooter vs the Snowman" bobblehead from Opening Day. Follow that link to vote for them.

In power rankings:

Around baseball:

Braves: Designated outfielder Matt Young for assignment.
Diamondbacks: Acquired pitcher Mike Zagurski from the Phillies for a PTBNL and designated pitcher Esmerling Vasquez for assignment.
Reds: Signed general manager Walt Jocketty to a three year contract extension.

The Cardinals may have been eliminated from contention in the NL Central but their playoff chances remain relatively strong: Their win coupled with a Braves loss yesterday have them a game back of the Wild Card with three to play and prompted them to start selling postseason tickets. You know that and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the Pennant Chase.

Today in former Brewers: John Sickels of Minor League Ball has a look at several 2011 draft picks that are sons of former major leaguers, including Dante Bichette, Dion James, Charlie O'Brien and Kevin Seitzer's offspring.

This might be one of the more fascinating things I read today: The Marlins were reportedly aware of the fact that closer Juan Carlos Oviedo (formerly known as Leo Nunez) was playing under an assumed name, which hamstrung their efforts to trade him at the deadline this year.

I'm not sure what's worse, that story or this one: Twins outfielder Denard Span rear-ended teammate Danny Valencia with his car while driving to the airport Thursday. Thankfully no one was seriously hurt so I don't feel bad about cracking up when I read this paragraph:

Valencia was riding as the passenger in his Range Rover Sport, with his fiancee driving. Span was following them in his Range Rover. The accident happened after they turned from Interstate 35 onto Hwy. 62.

There's nothing worse than Range Rover-on-Range Rover violence.

This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History remembers Doug Jones' 25th consecutive save in 1997. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the 16th anniversary of Paul Molitor's 500th double. 405 of them came as a Brewer.

Today in baseball economics:

I doubt any of the celebrating Brewers made their way to the Splash Zone at Miller Park Friday night, but the Diamondbacks went swimming in the Chase Field pool following their division-clinching win this weekend.

Here's a cool statistical quirk: Saturday's Astros-Rockies game was the 200,000th in MLB history.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm having feelings of inadequacy regarding my fan.

Drink up.

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World series charges

The lovely wife talked to our ticket rep, and for those of you wondering why they wait to charge for WS tickets, well it’s because it takes them about two weeks to work out all the charges for people who didn’t have enough room on their CC on file. So they wait to avoid them spending all this extra money chasing credit card numbers.

Sounds like they’ll process payments if the Brewer make it into the NLCS and win at least 2 games.

by SgtClueLs on Sep 26, 2011 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

On a similar note

Does anyone know if what post-season tickets go for compared to regular season? 2x value?

by proachinf on Sep 26, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dunno

Don’t scalp, whatever I picked up I offered to friends for face. I’d rather share the experience then try to make a profit.

by SgtClueLs on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Just trying to get a feel for what we’ll need to pay tomorrow

by proachinf on Sep 26, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Talked to a guy at the ticket office

He said “A little more than marquee price” for the NLDS.

I know that section 216 are $60 a piece for 20 game holders

by BrewCrewBrian on Sep 26, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can check later

But IIRC face for Terrace Box seats were
$45 NLDS
$75 NLCS
$175 WS

I got them for a lot less as a seat holder though

by BEARDEDJEFF on Sep 26, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I like savings the money"

How is your tiny giraffe?

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Sep 26, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't get my normal seats

So I can’t compare normal price, but I have bleacher seats at $50 for NLDS. I think those seats go for $20 normally.

by Mr. McGehee on Sep 26, 2011 1:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Post season prices

The season ticket holders have a discount for the NLDS and NLCS. There is not a discount on WS tix. There was also a $5 service charge per ticket per game added to the discounted price. I also accepted the advance parking price of $15 per game. I think they charged $25 for parking in 2008.

The Terrace and Bleacher seats (which are likely the seats that are left) have a ‘gate’ value of $30-$40 for NLDS, $50-$65 for NLCS and $125-$175 for the WS. I am unsure of any of the service charges that would be added.

If you can swing it, the AZ Diamondbacks are offering NLDS tickets for sale online right now on their website. That would be interesting should the Cardinals clinch the Wild Card; then the Brewers would play Arizona in the NLDS.

by ddloml on Sep 26, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're all over craigslist and stubhub.

I’ve got 2 extra tickets in 108, row 20 for Game 2, if you’re interested. Email me at young.timc @gmail.com

by tcyoung on Sep 26, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is face on those?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was like 65 or so...

…plus a $5 service fee, plus that pesky, non-refundable $25 shipping charge for the full set of tickets. I also have a parking pass..

by tcyoung on Sep 26, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's actually not bad

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, Kemp's the MVP then?

Wasn’t last year the first year that the BBWAA voted for a pitcher for Cy Young not based on wins and playoff team? And, doesn’t anyone else feel that Kershaw will very likely win the Cy Young? If so, doesn’t anyone else feel that the BBWAA won’t give the MVP to another guy on a losing team? Yes by all of the advanced metrics, Kemp has been the most valuable player. But Braun has had a better offensive year, and in a position-neutral context, he’s been more valuable than Kemp.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

/shrugs

i think it could go either way. braun potentially has the slugging and batting titles and playoff team angle, while kemp is a top finisher in the triple crown categories plus steals and WAR.

either vote wouldn’t surprise me and it’s kinda random at the end of the day, so more of a nice-to-have than something to bother worrying about.

by Capt Science on Sep 26, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what do you give the tiebreaker to?

Being on a good team or playing a premium defensive position. Overall their offensive statistics are about a wash. Thankfully, East Coast Bias isn’t playing into it. Could you imagine if Reyes ended up in the discussion? Would it even be a contest at that point? Is Reyes going to get MVP votes anyway?

by ecocd on Sep 26, 2011 12:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

After Reyes missed a quarter of his team's games?

I certainly hope not.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Sep 26, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

who would _i_ give it to?

well, i’d give it to braun, because he’s on my favorite team.

but if it were any other circumstance, i’d give it to the guy in the triple crown categories and WAR. the year ted williams hit .400, he finished second in MVP voting despite being better than dimaggio in most ways. the yankees won over 100 games and the sox didn’t. maybe at the time it made sense, but it just looks weird now.

by Capt Science on Sep 26, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

1989

Robin Yount wins his second MVP.

Did he have the highest AVG? No, that was Kirby Puckett, who also led in hits, and finished 7th.
Did he have the most HR? No, that was Fred McGriff, who also led in OPS, and finished 6th.
Did he have the most RBI? No, that was Ruben Sierra, who also led in SLG, 3B, and TB, and finished 2nd.
Did he have the most SB? No, that was Rickey Henderson, who also led in BB, R, and total WAR, and finished 9th.
Did he win the gold glove in CF? No, that was Devon White, who was an all-star but received no MVP votes.
Was he the best player on a winning team? No, the Brewers finished 81-81 in 4th place.

Why did he win? Some factors:

Oakland was the dominant AL team, but there wasn’t a clear-cut traditional statistical leader. Rickey Henderson was the best every day contributor, but he didn’t even start the season with the A’s. Overall, 7 different A’s received a split vote, including three pitchers.

Batting Average was overvalued in 1989. Starting at the top of the list and working downward, the first player (after Puckett, Lansford, and Boggs) to show any power with their AVG was Yount, whose .318 was significantly enough higher than Ruben Sierra’s .306 to make up for the difference in power (21 to 29 HRs).

For rewarding power, Sierra’s 29 HRs was not close to McGriff’s 36, and McGriff’s 92 RBI was not close to Sierra’s 119.

Stolen bases were valued, but not by themselves. A leadoff hitter needed to get on base, too. And back then it meant batting average, not OB%. If anyone really cared about OB% then Wade Boggs (.430) would have finished higher than 21st. And forget about OPS. It was an accidental total, not a measurement. Alvin Davis finished 2nd in OPS (.920) and 23rd in the voting.

So, we’re left with a dilemma as a classic (stupid) voter. The typical “top guys” on the “top teams” are George Bell of Toronto (.297-18-104) and Dave Parker of Oakland (.264-22-97). Bell’s problem was that this was an off-year for him (he won two years earlier with much better production), and Parker’s problem was that everyone could see that Oakland’s success was an ensemble effort, and the team probably still would have won if they didn’t have Parker. After all, they were playing most of the season without Jose Canseco, and the pitching staff still carried the team to a title.

So, who’s left? Well, there’s this guy in Milwaukee who hit over .300, more than 20 HR, and over 100 RBI… and I suppose it didn’t hurt that he hit .480 at Yankee Stadium that year…

Why review 1989? We should remind ourselves what really goes into the voting:
- A guy should have all-around production in classic offensive categories: AVG, HR, RBI.
- He shouldn’t have someone else on his team with great numbers too.
- He should be on a winning team, or on a team that finishes respectably that otherwise is expected to completely fail.
- It’s also nice to have good character and to be viewed as a leader (This is why Cal Ripken finished 3rd in 1989 despite pedestrian numbers.)

Kemp has the edge, and I’m pretty sure he’ll win this year.

by nullacct on Sep 26, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

And then Ian Kennedy gets the Cy Young? Halladay?

They aren’t giving those two awards to two guys on the same team unless they’re on a playoff team, and are clearly out in front of everyone else.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

The whole “top player on a top team not being that great” dilemma isn’t really applicable in 2011. I think Braun and Kershaw have a slight edge over Kemp and Halladay.

by placidity on Sep 26, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's my feeling too

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're thinking that Kershaw gets the Cy Young and Kemp gets the MVP?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vehemently disagree

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be unprecedented and very against the nature of the BBWAA voters to give the two most prestigious awards to two players on the same team that isn't going to make the playoffs.

When was the last time that two players on the same team even won the MVP and CY, regardless of playoff status?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you saying that Kemp can’t win because Kershaw can win the Cy Young?

by nullacct on Sep 26, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought what I was saying was pretty clear

It would be unprecedented and very against the nature of the BBWAA to give the two most prestigious awards to two players on the same team that isn’t going to make the playoffs.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, Albert Pujols & Chris Carpenter, 2005

by nullacct on Sep 26, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction

Justin Morneau and Johan Santana, 2006

by nullacct on Sep 26, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cy Young & MVP on same team

Carpenter & Pujols in 2005
Mauer & Morneau in 2006

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by -JP- on Sep 26, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something like that

I saw Mauer winning MVP in 2009, so his name was on my mind when I was typing.

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by -JP- on Sep 26, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also 2002 A's Zito and Tejada

1993 CHW Thomas and McDowell
1992 A’s Eckersley and Eckersley
1991 Braves Pendleton and Glavine
1990 Pirates Bonds and Drabek
1988 Dodgers Gibson and Hershiser
1986 Red Sox Clemens and Clemens
1984 Tigers Hernandez and Hernandez
1982 Brewers Yount and Vuckovich
1981 Brewers Fingers and Fingers
1980 Phillies Schmidt and Carlton

OK, so that’s 31 years of post-season voting, and every time the CY and MVP have come from the same team, it has been a playoff team.

I don’t know if I can search for that somehow at B-R rather than just go line by line, but my eyes are getting tired. I feel reasonably certain that it has never occurred.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are probably correct

Since winning as a team is one of the primary criteria for winning the MVP, and having a dominant pitcher is one of the criteria for winning.

by nullacct on Sep 26, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d also guess its really rare for a terrible team to have 2 of the top players in baseball on it.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Sep 26, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you think about it, it makes sense.

Look at a team like the Dodgers. Beyond Kemp and Kershaw, no one else has a WAR over 2.9, and only three of those other players have a WAR over 2. By comparison, the Brewers have 8 players with WAR over 2, 7 of those are over 3, and 5 of those are over 4.

Think of it this way.

Brewers top 5 players’ combined WAR = 24.5
Dodgers top 5 players’ combined WAR = 22.4

Brewers next 5 players’ combined WAR = 13.3
Dodgers next 5 players’ combined WAR = 8.0

Total difference between the two is 7.4. There’s 7 of the 14 wins that make up the difference between the Brewers and Dodgers.

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by -JP- on Sep 26, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that by second-order and third-order winning percentage

The Dodgers are tops in the NL West. So based on their stats, the Dodgers should be better than they are – maybe even a playoff-caliber team.

by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 26, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't believe it's the same people voting for both, though

That’s key. They’re going to be separate decisions made by separate groups of people.

by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 26, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

And they've miraculously never voted for two people on the same 'losing' team

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

But when has there been a pitcher and a hitter this good on a team that didn't make the playoffs?

I’m not asking rhetorically – I really don’t know. Maybe never, in which case there’s no real precedent for this situation.

by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 26, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess you either think its going to happen or you think it won't.

I don’t think it will. And I’d like to see Braun win the MVP. Some people feel differently.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Adrian Gonzalez and Josh Beckett…?

by nullacct on Sep 26, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

ow

Did you misspell “Jake Peavy” there? ;)

by morineko on Sep 26, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awards are pointless...

So if the Dodgers get the Cy Young (Kershaw) and the MVP (Kemp), how come they’re not in the playoffs? How valuable are those awards?

The only award that matters is winning the WS!

by ddloml on Sep 26, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some people like cucumbers better pickled.

I’d love to see my favorite player on my favorite team win an MVP award in a year that is going to be one that goes down in history for this franchise.

In fact, I think he deserves it. And I’ll bet you the team and Braun don’t think its pointless…

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

How many times will Valencia hear about

his teammate slamming his girlfriend from behind, or some other iteration? If she has a minor injury that has her walking with a limp, then it will just get cruel.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Sep 26, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

i viewed it differently

i thought that may be the first time “valencia” and “range” were used in the same sentence. or, he even has no hustle when driving.

by Capt Science on Sep 26, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Probably as much as Hart has to hear about Braddock's sleep problems and his wife.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Most of the time Hart has to hear about that it’s probably from his own wife:

“Why can’t you be more like Zach? He’s better in bed than you and he knows that dragging me around by my hair does NOT count as foreplay!”

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by MrLeam on Sep 26, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're looking at it the wrong way.

An 86 – 88 win team overperformed. Let’s not get all excited.

Note: Sarcasm/irony

by Brew Angel on Sep 26, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

It was the worst division in the history of baseball

by BrewCrewBrian on Sep 26, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure if it was definitely the worst

The American League East in 1982 was incredibly weak as well…

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by MrLeam on Sep 26, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Disagree

Strike shortened 94 season, the AL West was led by the Rangers at 52-62, 10 games under .500. Yes, we can asterisk that out, but that was definitely the worst division in baseball history. Or at least would’ve been. The Brewers were in last place in the Central 15 games back, and would’ve been leading that division by 1.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Sep 26, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha just when you think it can't fail

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm is the box quote?

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Sep 26, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I was a little surprised by the general lack of celebratory posts out there for me to link to.

I even had more links to celebration back in 2008.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Sep 26, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can only speak for myself

but I had no idea how to react. There were five games left in the regular season, and, for the first time in my life, suddenly none of them mattered (in terms of qualifying for the post-season). I’ve been dumbfounded for the last three days.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Sep 26, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

'pee in cheerios' is so 2002

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew exactly how to react...

And yes, I did finish that bottle of Moet.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Sep 26, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

damn

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Sep 26, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn, didn't work...

let’s try this one

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Sep 26, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a progression here

2 for NLDS
3 for NLCS
4 and trip to emergency room for WS win.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Sep 26, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Playoff rotation

For all the talk about lining up the rotation it looks like it is already set.

Marcum is already lined up for game 2
Gallardo is already lined up for game 3
Wolf is already lined up for game 4
Greinke would be pitching on six days rest for game 1.

Now I suppose that Greinke could pitch on 3 days rest on Wednesday and pitch the 3rd game, and Gallardo could pitch game 1 on seven days rest, but I think it looks fine right now the way it is. I definitley would put Marcum in game 2 in any scenario as a change of pace between Zack and Yo

by grant76 on Sep 26, 2011 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

And if it goes 5 I think Yo is set to open the NLCS

That makes me feeling warm and fuzzy on its own.

by ecocd on Sep 26, 2011 12:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

My feeling

I’d much rather have the Cardinals win the wild card than the Braves. And I don’t want to play the Phillies in the first round, no matter how many national pundits and/or local radio/TV/Newspaper guys say that “the Phillies in a short series is better than the Phillies in a long series”. I don’t buy that crap. This team hasn’t played particularly well on the road, and going into Philadelphia and facing first Halladay and then Lee, they could be coming back to Miller Park down 2 games with Hamels on the mound, and just one game away from elimination.

I’ll take the Diamondbacks at home vs. Hudson and Kennedy with Greinke and Marcum on the hill, then go to Arizona to face…eh…Josh Collmenter? Sounds good to me.

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by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

My thoughts are this:

If the best time to get the Phillies is in a 5 game series, I’d love to give Arizona or St. Louis the opportunity to sneak out a series win and maybe the Brewers get to face AZ or STL in a longer series. There’s absolutely no reason why the Brewers should want to face the Phillies, even in a short series.

by placidity on Sep 26, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well said

People really want to face Philly first? Its not like they aren’t beatable, but I’d take my chances with someone else first.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Sep 26, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I dunno...

Depends on whether the goal is to win a playoff series or get to the world series. I feel like the Brewers are the #1b team in the playoffs but you assume you’re going to have to get through #1a on the way there. I’d rather pull the band-aid off quickly and in a scenario that would absorb a few more lucky bounces.

Although I suppose if you feel like the Brewers are legitimately better than the Phillies you go for the long series so that the luck balances itself out a little.

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by DEUCE SLUICE on Sep 26, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goal is to win the WS

So it’d be best if they had a chance to miss Philly altogether.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Sep 26, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is the point

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd much rather see the Braves in the playoffs.

The Braves are reeling right now while the Cardinals have been relatively good over the last few weeks. Granted momentum may not count for much once the playoffs start, but I would much rather face the Braves’ shaky rotation and crumbling bullpen in the first round and take my chances on advancing to the NLCS.

by Bezerkers on Sep 26, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction
but I would much rather face the Braves’ shaky injured rotation and crumbling bullpen in the first round

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by sjlee on Sep 26, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

When the Cardinals get that giant stick out of their arse

I might want them to win the wild card. But probably not then either.

And I especially don’t want them to win the wild card now, not with how poorly the Braves are playing.

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on Sep 26, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a little disturbing.

The NL Central champion is on a 12 game losing streak in the playoffs.

Cubs lost to Diamondbacks in 2007 NLDS 3-0
Cubs lost to Dodgers in 2008 NLDS 3-0
Cardinals lost to Dodgers in 2009 NLDS 3-0
Reds lost to Phillies in 2010 NLDS 3-0

In fact, over the past four seasons, the Brewers are the only team in the NL Central to win a playoff game.

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by -JP- on Sep 26, 2011 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

That's not disturbing at all

Or are you lumping the Brewers in with those other teams and discounting their post season win?

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by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I don't think they are like those teams.

It’s just weird that NL Central teams have lost 15 of their last 16 postseason games.

Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word “disturbing”. Weird is more accurate.

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by -JP- on Sep 26, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but its like RRR starting Kotsay because he had 5 ABs against some pitcher 10 years ago even though Hart has a 15 game hitting streak.

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by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

All that proves

is that NL Central teams only win playoff games if Dave Bush is playing for them…

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by MrLeam on Sep 26, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

But

If you go back one more year, the NL Central won the WS.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Sep 26, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Braun tonight:

RF Hart
CF Plush
LF Kotsay
1B Prince
2B Rickie
3B JHJ
SS Yuni
C Lucroy
P Marcum

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Sep 26, 2011 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Money Order

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

S'okay.

Braun’s already slotted into the three-hole when he comes in in the fourth inning.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Sep 26, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hush
Plush
Kush
Push
Rush
Jush?
Yush?
Lush
Mush

by tcyoung on Sep 26, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

RR says he wants to give Braun a day off

Apparently, he doesn’t care about giving Betancourt any time off at all.

Another start at 3B for Hairston… RR might actually prove me wrong when the NLDS starts.

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by sjlee on Sep 26, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The biggest news is that the LF hits third and the 3B hits sixth

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by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, but that was news in May

It’d be news if he didn’t use the money order now

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Sep 26, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's true.

So much for learning.

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by Charlie Marlow on Sep 26, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Betancourt doesnt get beat up as much as Braun

He doesn’t make any real effort to get to any balls so it’s not like he strains himself when he’s on the field. Yuni “Iron Man” Betancourt.

Agreed that the biggest news is JHJ over McGehee.

I think the Money Order is to keep everyone in similar places. Ultimately batting order makes little difference and Kotsay is actually hitting decently. If he has to play a position in the field it’s either 1B or LF. All things considered, it’s not that bad of a batting order.

by ecocd on Sep 26, 2011 5:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Would usually like them to break up the Morgan/Kotsay lefty duo

But with the huge bench (with Braun), it doesn’t matter all that much.

Its weird to me that Braun isn’t playing.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Sep 26, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Likely helps his case for the batting title

but hurts it for MVP. Don’t mind random resting of guys though, seems to be RRR’s M.O. since we clinched the division. JHJ starting again is nice.

by Archibaldcrane on Sep 26, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

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