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Prince Fielder restrains Nyjer Morgan during a bench-clearing confrontation between the Brewers and Cardinals last night.

Some things to read while dressing appropriately.

A relatively uninteresting loss in St. Louis turned into a pretty big deal during the ninth inning last night, as benches cleared and harsh words were exchanged following Chris Carpenter's ninth inning strikeout of Nyjer Morgan. Replays pretty clearly showed Morgan yelling some obscenities at Carpenter out on the mound, although he claims Carpenter yelled at him first. That probably would have been the end of it if Albert Pujols hadn't come rushing across the diamond to get in the middle of it.

Here's some reaction from around the web:

At the end of the day, this incident probably gets filed under "N" for "nothing to see here." Nyjer Morgan, who has a history of stirring things up, had a verbal exchange of some form with Chris Carpenter, who also has been in the middle of incidents like this before. Albert Pujols, who has a reputation as a hypocritical regulator of baseball etiquette, went out of his way to get involved. No punches were thrown and the outcome of the game was not impacted. These two teams won't see each other again until April and by that point the water should be well under the bridge.

Other notes from the field:

The Brewers are back home tonight to open a series against the likely NL East champion Phillies in a potential playoff preview. Evan Drellich of MLB.com has the preview, Greg Schimmel of The Washington Post is calling it the game of the day and Buster Olney says the Brewers have a lot at stake: They're now just 2.5 games ahead of Arizona for the NL's second best record.

He almost certainly won't start, but the Brewers will have a welcome addition to their bench tonight: Rickie Weeks is expected to be activated off the DL today and eased back into the lineup slowly over the month of September (FanShot). Weeks has been taking BP with the team but hasn't faced live pitching in a game since July 27. Earlier in the day yesterday the team had talked about getting him simulated ABs.

Unless Weeks can pitch, this is likely true: Ken Rosenthal video blogged about this weekend's series and says that the Brewers' pitching staff has been great, but the Phillies' staff is better.

The Phillies will be shorthanded this week, though: Second baseman Chase Utley didn't fly to Milwaukee with the team and will be out at least two days after suffering what's believed to be a mild concussion last night.

You probably know the Brewer game isn't the only sporting event going on in Wisconsin tonight. Past Brewer-Packer conflicts have led to small crowds at Miller Park, but John Steinmiller says over 40,000 are expected at tonight's Brewers-Phillies series opener.

Our condolences go out today to pitching coach Rick Kranitz, whose mother passed away yesterday. Kranitz had left the team recently to be with her, but her memorial service may be held after the season to prevent him from needing to leave again.

Jonathan Lucroy had a couple of opportunities to make a play at the plate last night but was positioned well back of home, leading Adam McCalvy to wonder if the team has instructed him to avoid collisions. Alex of View From Bernie's Chalet is calling Lucroy "Milwaukee's Survivorman."

Another day, another update on Prince Fielder's impending free agency: Ben Nicholson-Smith of MLB Trade Rumors has a look at 15 teams that might and 15 more that likely won't be in the market for Fielder and/or Albert Pujols this winter.

In the minors:

  • Helena picked up another win last night, beating Billings 8-4 behind a two run homer for catcher Tyler Roberts. They wrap up their season tonight. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
  • H-Brewer Tyler Cravy is this week's Pioneer League Pitcher of the Week after pitching six shutout innings on Saturday.
  • Elsewhere in honors: Wily Peralta finished the season with the Southern League's lowest ERA at 3.46.
  • All five non-Arizona Brewer minor league affiliates saw attendance increases in 2011: Huntsville (+12.7%), Brevard County (+11.4%) and Helena (+11%) all saw double digit gains, although Huntsville was still the only Southern League team to draw under 100,000 fans this season. Nashville and Wisconsin both saw slight increases.
  • A couple more 2011 Wisconsin Timber Rattlers are on Twitter: Infielders Nick Shaw and T.J. Mittlestaedt.

I've tried this stand a couple of times, and the relatively low reviews surprised me: John and Cait sampled the grilled cheese stand on the Loge level at Miller Park and gave all four offerings a two out of five.

No transaction notes today, so this pause is of the "awkward" variety.

Last night's Brewer loss and Pirate win mean Pittsburgh has staved off elimination for another day, but their tragic number remains at one. Meanwhile, back-to-back wins for the Cardinals have inched them back to within 6.5 games of the NL Wild Card-leading Braves. You know that and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the NL Central.

Meanwhile, one other NL Central rival may not be a rival for long: Reports are surfacing that Major League Baseball is attempting to force the Astros to move to the American League as part of the terms of their sale to Jim Crane. If MLB has to strongarm someone into submission for their plan to work, maybe they should reconsider the popularity of their plan.

Sun Life Stadium in Miami only has a few weeks left as home of a major league team, and Marlins manager Jack McKeon is making the most of them. The 80-year-old spent the night in his office this week.

Phillies outfielder John Mayberry Jr. is looking for a place to sleep too: He tried to get his agent to hook him up with one of the mermaids from the latest "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie.

Earlier this week I mentioned that the Cubs and Old Style were potentially ending the deal that allows the team to sell the lukewarm swill beer at Wrigley Field. As it turns out, the crisis has been averted.

This morning's edition of Today in Brewer History remembers the major league debut of Kevin Kobel, the youngest pitcher in franchise history. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times points out that it's also the 40th anniversary of Cecil Cooper's major league debut. He grounded out in a pinch hit appearance in Boston's 2-1, 11 inning loss to the Yankees.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to add some >'s.

Drink up.

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i'm sick of people calling out Nyjer for "throwing his chew"

it landed like 2 feet away from the 3rd base line. it wasn’t like he whipped it at Carpenter’s face. this is as dumb as all the garbage reporting about Yadi “spitting” in the umpire’s face

Nyjer deserves some flack for this but come on

"We have to beat these guys. All they do is (complain) and moan about everything, all of them. I really hate the Cardinals. Compared to the Cardinals, I love the Chicago Cubs. Let me make this clear: I hate the Cardinals" - Brandon Phillips

by JAMOOL on Sep 8, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Another interesting footnote

If you were watching the Cardinals’ broadcast on FS Midwest (I just saw it here), you would have had no idea that Pujols coming across the diamond was what caused Morgan to start walking back toward the field. They never showed him.

by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 8, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I was going to mention this

It was hilarious to see both broadcasts (MLB Network aired the STL version) and their differing views. Bill Schroeder virtually blamed Pujols for everything while the STL announcers just focused on Carpenter doing nothing and then suddenly showed Morgan getting into a ruckus. No mention of His Profoundness jogging in, which sort of tells me they knew he was a bit out of line

by Tick on Sep 8, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

Also, if you’ve watched Morgan, he always takes his chew out almost immediately after batting. So it’s not like he took it out just to chuck it at Carpenter.

by uwbadgers on Sep 8, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

"The real Nyjer Morgan just stood up"

When did baseball fans become such joyless, uptight robots? Is it just internet baseball fans?

Nyjer Morgan yelled at the pitcher as he was walking back to the dugout and it would have ended there if Pujols hadn’t rushed towards him. Good Heavens!!! Better turn this into the controversy of the century. Has nobody ever seen a baseball game before?

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Sep 8, 2011 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Speaking of joyless internet baseball fans...

I urge you all to avoid the STLToday forums today if you have blood pressure issues.

fka "warwick5s"

by DEUCE SLUICE on Sep 8, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

That scene from Naked Gun

Lindsey Nelson blocking the view of the car explosion setting off the fireworks factory.

“Nothing to look at. Everybody just disperse and go on home.”

It’s not the internet’s fault. It’s why so many fans pay to see a hockey game—the potential for a fight.
When it happens in baseball, the newswires get jammed.
The hype is unfortunately mighter than the game, but the media’s reaction is nonetheless as revealing as ever.

by Rob Deer For President on Sep 8, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

nyjer may be "crazy"

but i doubt this was a big deal and if there are sides to be taken, i’m clearly on his. honestly, i was watching scott pilgrim v the world at that point (i would guess ramona was just learning that her bf was about to get f’ed in the b when all this happened).

as much as i may otherwise try to be impartial on such matters, the second chris carpenter said this: “I’m not going to play his game. There’s a certain way to compete and a certain way not to compete”, I immediately turned my bile to him.

by Capt Science on Sep 8, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

How did you like Scott Pilgrim?

I just finished reading the books, but haven’t seen the movie yet.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Sep 8, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

This game is bigger than YOU or ME.
Without me, the game will go on...Without the game, I won't go on

by toki47 on Sep 8, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally disagree

the movie is teh awesome. i mean, i guess i find the last three exes as less interesting.

i read the books after seeing the film. i like the film better in many ways, mainly because it’s tighter. the books seem to happen over a long period of time, but the movie feels like it’s over a period of weeks during a “battle of the bands” competition. it’s also not a scene for scene adaption of the books, but it captures the spirit very well.

scott was a known as a good fighter in the books, but in the movie he’s unsure what to do when first attacked (although he later says he’s fought before). the way he beats a number of the exes is different, too. i actually much prefer it to the books.

by Capt Science on Sep 8, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with your review

I didn’t read the books, but think the movie was well-paced. I think they purposely didn’t delve as much into the last three exes because after the first two, you didn’t really need to know much back story on them… just that they’re exes and they want to fight.

As someone who plays video games regularly, I thought the movie was hilarious.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Sep 8, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lost in the wash:

Grienke looked good, and on the road, no less.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Sep 8, 2011 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Apparently the Underpants gnomes have finally figured out Step 2.

Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".

by Yar Nivek on Sep 8, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's well done.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Sep 8, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really looking forward to this series.

As a measuring stick for the playoffs and I think it will help focus the Brewers and get their minds off the Cardinals.
Also this will be our first game of the year and my 1 year old’s first game ever.

by Wisfan on Sep 8, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Why can't the Brewers have a day off today?

And they’re playing the Phillies! It’s not like they are playing the Astros or the Padres. It’s a real sports viewing dilemma today.

by gffjenks on Sep 8, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Dude

go to a bar, get a DVR, get back to back TVs

There are ways to work the system

This game is bigger than YOU or ME.
Without me, the game will go on...Without the game, I won't go on

by toki47 on Sep 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's been said before

But yesterday may have been the last time we’ll have to put up with TLR and/ or Pujol’s bags of crap. God willing they’ll both be in the AL next year. Kind of historic, really. I actually disagree with a theory that the Cards fans are just as bad/ worse. I think many of them are as tired of TLR as we are. They stand behind Pujols, no doubt, but we stand behind Braun when he gets douche-y or Morgan when he gets wild, too. I don’t see a reason to object to them defending Pujols. It’ll be especially interesting when they turn on him when he walks away from them this offseason…

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Sep 8, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the entire problem in St. Louis is TLR and a handful of players who buy in to his silly drama.

Two of those player, Pujols and Carpenter, might be gone next year. He even had local baseball writers backing up his paranoia but even they are starting to turn on him. Next year the Cards might be very different team.

by Zorakathura on Sep 8, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Went to a couple of games in STL in the last series

The fans were generally pretty nice. We exchanged good natured ribbing, but they seemed to genuinely care that we had a good time.

by BrewCrewBrian on Sep 8, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Halos didn't exactly pound Furbush last night

But they were finally able to get to Furbush and score.

(I’m really trying to come up with more along those lines, but I’m just not up for it today.)

by Brew Angel on Sep 8, 2011 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

They pounded him in the 8th inning.

But up to that point, he had shut them down.

Great comeback win for the Angels.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Sep 8, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Furbush

Sure did take some licks in the 8th though.

by mmueller12 on Sep 8, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did anybody go deep?

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Sep 8, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off Furbush? No.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Sep 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could it be new catcher defensive alignment?

While I agree the most likely explanation for Lucroy’s positioning was an order to avoid collision there’s a part of me that wonders if this isn’t a change in alignment. Assuming a catcher isn’t going to be blocking the plate, where’s the best place for him to set up? Maybe by standing behind the bag would give the catcher a better chance to get a tag down since he woudn’t be blindly swiping his glove at the baserunner. It would also force baserunners that take a wide turn around 3rd to run to the inside edge of the plate altering their running path.

I thought about that way too much.

by ecocd on Sep 8, 2011 12:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

He was so deep on that Berkman play

That I could not come to any other conclusion than he was making sure to stay out of the way.

by MooseHaas on Sep 8, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

RRR: "Beware of Fat Elvis."

Free Saito-Hugs for everybody! - SRB

by PriceT on Sep 8, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Typically, you would want your catcher to be up in front of the plate.

Though I don’t know if you want a catcher fielding a short hop with the catcher’s mitt.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Sep 8, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theoretical

If Braddock was taken off of the 40 man, he would be exposed to waivers, correct?

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Sep 8, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

That Mayberry story is hilarious

An awkward exchange from his agent to get a date. Turns out she’s married with a kid. Ouch!

by proachinf on Sep 8, 2011 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

To quote a quarterback from the frozen tundra “that is embarrassing”

Its just begging for someone to make a sign with her name and a fake number to take to the game.

by grant76 on Sep 8, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully we don't need it

But a rally Antoinette Nikprelaj might be a good touch sometime this series.

by proachinf on Sep 8, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Macha asks what that story was about, just direct him to an anagram finder

“Ken, a penetration jilt”

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Sep 8, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I know this stat is probably readily available

but in light of the Nyjer Morgan ‘incident,’ what do you think the percentage of MLB players that still use tobacco are?

This game is bigger than YOU or ME.
Without me, the game will go on...Without the game, I won't go on

by toki47 on Sep 8, 2011 1:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably pretty consistent from team to team....

On the Brewers I’ve seen Nyjer, Casey, Prince, and Kotsay. I’d think 15%ish sounds about right to me.

fka "warwick5s"

by DEUCE SLUICE on Sep 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was talking to a buddy today

and the first number I blurted out was 50%. Thinking about it, that number is way high, but I’d say 15 is close to the actual number

This game is bigger than YOU or ME.
Without me, the game will go on...Without the game, I won't go on

by toki47 on Sep 8, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, it's probably a bit higher.

You can’t see what the dudes that hang around in the bullpen do when they’re not pitching or warming.

fka "warwick5s"

by DEUCE SLUICE on Sep 8, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

I’d say its close to 50% than it is to 15%

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Sep 8, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

split the difference

according to this article (which is not ultra-current):

By most estimates, about one-third of the players in the majors use tobacco.

by Capt Science on Sep 8, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno, but

I kinda wish Nyjer took the Happy Gilmore approach, of “I’m a hockey player, I’m just here to play baseball today.”

by Archibaldcrane on Sep 8, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carpenter is the "You suck!" guy.

"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder

by SRB on Sep 8, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then who's Bob Barker?

And when will T-plush fight him?

by cwolf20 on Sep 8, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The price is wrong Plush

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Sep 8, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say about 1/3 of the high school/college baseball players that I know still do

It’s probably still pretty common in the majors, I would imagine.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Sep 8, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Knucklehead move by Morgan last night

I’m taking the contrarian side to most posters on last night’s fracas.

I’f Im in a pennant race I don’t want even a sniff of suspensions. You take the bad with the good with the guy…and he’s been more good than bad…but inside the locker room I’d like to think he got his ass chewed.

by infield fly on Sep 8, 2011 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll bite

Given his reputation, I understand why what Morgan did could be annoying to other fans.

That said, why do you want him to get his “ass chewed” or why would this hurt the Brewers?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Sep 8, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want all 25 guys on the roster every day.

Fielder practically chest pushed Morgan into the trainers room to keep things from escalating. The Brewers haven’t clinched anything and have the D Backs breathing down their necks heading into a four game series with the Phillies.

by infield fly on Sep 8, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he's not going to be suspended for this

Therefore, I don’t see what the issue is.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Sep 8, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

That he wasn't suspended, to me, isn't the point

That’s like someone saying, I wasn’t caught doing ____, therefore it’s okay. You don’t put yourself or your teammates in a position to be suspended.

That said, I’m in the minority here.

by infield fly on Sep 8, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're basically saying you're upset for something he didn't do

But might have done had he done something different.

Like I said, I get the argument from other fans, or those who were just so offended that a baseball player would so something like that, I don’t understand the “it hurts the Brewers” argument.

By the same logic, Casey should get chewed for arguing with the ump, because sometimes those escalate into suspensions. Or Braun should get yelled at for looking back at an ump after a bad strike call, because that’s also putting himself in position to be suspended.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Sep 8, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Casey and Braun are probably actually better examples of hurting the Brewers

Because they’re ejections came earlier in games. Morgan missed like an out. Casey missed the majority of the game.

by uwbadgers on Sep 8, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it's not like "I wasn't caught doing X, therefore it's OK."

It’s not like Nyjer hit an ump and nobody noticed.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Sep 8, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If that's so important to you

Why aren’t you griping about McGehee jawing with the ump and risking suspension by hanging out after the toss and arguing with him?

Hmmm? We might have a little media bias stuck in our brains atm?

by nullacct on Sep 8, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Per McCalvy

Weeks still not activated yet, but is working with the trainer on baserunning.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Sep 8, 2011 3:44 PM CDT reply actions  

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