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I had heard the news that the Journal Sentinel wanted you to pay to use their website. I had also heard that you could visit 20 "articles" for free a month. What I didn't know was how much of a crock this was going to be.

First of all, for Brewer fans there is the Brewers BLOG. Yeah that's right, a blog. A blog is something that you can only visit online. That is the only forum you can see a blog in. Basically what it is is an insider breaking news post to alert people instantly before the information gets fleshed out, updated and posted to an actual article. Did I mention that the only way you can see a blog is online, not in the paper newspaper that people pay for?

I noticed that by only reading these blogs, I got a notification that I could only read a few more for free. UMM HELLO? I pay Time Warner every month to use the internet, and blogs are something you can only access on the internet, not in a print edition of the newspaper. In short, I am not "raiding" the Journal Sentinel of any money by accessing their BLOGS. If I was reading their actual articles online (You know the ones published in the newspaper) then maybe we could talk about how I am not properly giving money to the Journal Sentinel.

What's going to be worse is spring training. Remember all the cool features like getting to know a certain player and other "cactus juice" tidbits? For every one game played there could be potentially five places for you to click with the different features posted, and those five places you click will all be counted against your 20 allotted views for the month.

During the regular season, it will be the same way. There is the game wrap, the "clubhouse confidential notes" which includes the attendance up to this point and various other things of interest, and the "full count" post which is a key stat to watch. For each baseball game played there could be a number of items to click on.

I guess the biggest beef I had was with the stuff they are charging for that is indeed "online only" and this goes beyond brewer coverage. You want an up to the minute weather forecast? Or how about reading a post from the associated press about various news items from the day, which is linked on the jsonline site? Yep that will cost you a click against your 20, even though you definitely wouldn't wait till the paper comes out the next morning to read that stuff when you can find it posted online right away up to the minute. That's if the actual physical paper would even put the AP stuff in there, I don't know. Any blogs, from sports to business to the online chats that are posted by writers to the relationships blogs to the tv critic blogs should NOT be counted against what you can get for free.

Main point: I don't have a problem with trying to gain an edge in today's growing and competitive marketplace. I completely understand things change and the world is not the same as it once was. However you people at the Journal Sentinel really need to understand what exactly people should be paying for and what they should not be paying for. I cannot live with the complete and utter bologna that you guys consider "links you should be paying for."

From now on I get my sports news from other sources such as FoxSports, OnMilwaukee.com, KFFL, Brewers Bar, MLB Trade Rumors, Milwaukee Magazine, and others.

Thanks for being fun JS!

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There is a way around it

if you use Firefox or Chrome. I’ll just say “Private Browsing” and “Icognito Mode”…

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jan 10, 2012 9:24 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I havent been asked to pay for any JS Online content

And I look at it about 4 or 5 times a day (not for sports related stuff).

So I’m wondering what I’m doing wrong (or right).

by backtocali on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Do you get to it from Twitter or blogs?

I’m not sure how they’re running it, but that might have something to do with it.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 10, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm...that's a weird one

Though it could just be that you’re still under 20 direct (non-blog or social media) clicks on both your home and work computer. Which is possible – it’d be about 3 articles a day on each computer since Jan. 4, so up to 6 a day in total.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 10, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not IP based?

I’m guessing it’s IP based.

by cwolf20 on Jan 10, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

It's cookie based

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jan 11, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 12, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

You are surely jesting?

lol wow. Awesome.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Awesome

Glad I could help!

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jan 12, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I totally disagree with this article

If the JS wants to charge for online content, they are free to do so. This is especially true if it is (more) profitable for them.

They just won’t get my views. Simple as that.

by cwolf20 on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

And as a brief counter argument to "it's a blog, which is only accessible online"

Do you have XBox Live? That’s only accessible online through a console. I paid for the console and internet, so I shouldn’t have to pay for that service? You have to say yes if you want to be consistent.

by cwolf20 on Jan 10, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd actually compare it more to DLC for games

Although both are reasons I haven’t bothered buying an Xbox etc.

"Obi Braun Kenobi you're our only hope!"

by ObiBraunKenobi on Jan 10, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

You can setup a silver Live account for free, which gives you access to dashboard and game updates/fixes. You only need a gold account if you want to play against someone else online or access the Marketplace (e.g. download games, watch movies, etc.).

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 10, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Xbox sucks for that-

PS3! PS3! PS3!

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 10, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The Xbox 360 vs. PS3 argument could go on for a while.

It’s very possible that I will never by a PS3. There are several reasons.

  1. - Most friends I would want to play against are on Xbox Live.
  2. - Better games, and any games that I would want to play on PS3 are released on Xbox 360 anyway.
  3. - Security seems to be better (though that’s only based off of the major security breach PS3 had a while ago).

There’s probably more than that, but those are the three biggest reasons.

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by -JP- on Jan 10, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

...and any games that I would want to play on PS3 are released on Xbox 360 anyway.

Not true. I don’t get to play any glorious God Of War games on XBox. Also, The Show

I got goons.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jan 10, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Point still holds true for me (though I could understand how it wouldn't be true for others).

I’m not interested in God of War. From what I’ve seen/heard about it, it’s not a game I would feel comfortable playing. I’m playing through the Assassin’s Creed series now and that’s borderline as it is.

If Final Fantasy XIII had been a PS3-only release, I probably would have bought one. I know Final Fantasy XIV is PS3-only, but I don’t consider the online Final Fantasy games as real games. I’m not paying $15 a month on top of $60 to play a game.

I’ll just settle for Halo instead.

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by -JP- on Jan 11, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's funny how people gripe about how you have to pay more money to play online on an Xbox.

MSRP for an Xbox Live Gold account is $60, which breaks down to about $5 a month. Heck, you don’t even have to search very hard to find deals for $45.

I can understand if you want a Blu-ray player or want to play the PS3 exclusives, but the subscription fee isn’t exactly going to break the bank. Besides, Live offers much more than just the ability to play against other people online.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 11, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why I'm ok with Xbox Live.

If I watch for deals through the year, I can typically add another year for around $40. I use the service enough to make the cost worth it.

However, if I got a game like Final Fantasy XI on Xbox 360, I’m not paying that because I would have to pay $15 extra dollars a month to play one game. Plus, one day the server is going to shut down forever, and then I can never play the game again. That’s just ridiculous.

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by -JP- on Jan 11, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no idea what the allure is of the Final Fantasy games.

The first time I see the cut-scene when casting a spell I think it’s impressive. After the 10th time? Not so much.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 12, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it's the story in each game, more than anything else.

Any game out there could have the greatest graphics or the best gameplay, but if I don’t care about what happens in the story, I may not play it for long. Honestly, the main story of Final Fantasy XIII was…confusing, but it had some of the best character development that I had ever seen. I was playing that game more to find out what was going to happen to these characters in the end, even if the main storyline didn’t make complete sense.

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by -JP- on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually just bought a 1 year gold card for $30

it was on sale at Best Buy. I always get it after Christmas, and pay around half what it actually costs.

Having owned both, there is no comparison between online content: Xbox is clearly the better of the two. Unless you want to pay a lot for a BluRay player.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 12, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

How long ago did you get it?

I usually get one too for that price, but I didn’t see any ads for them this year.

by sjlee on Jan 13, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much the reason I don't have my Xbox anymore...
I can understand if you want a Blu-ray player

While I still say that the online gameplay for XBox on XBL is a ton better, I just love having the blu-ray.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That's pretty expensive if you just wanted a Blu-ray player

Why not just keep the Xbox and get a stand alone Blu-ray player (which is what I did)?

by sjlee on Jan 13, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Skyrim is evil.

As in, I-haven’t-done-anything-productive-after-my-son-has-gone-to-bed-since-my-wife-bought-it-for-me evil. I get what you mean about discomfort playing certain kinds of games though. I thought it was just me. I spend most of my gaming time playing what my 7 year old wants to play though (before Skyrim anyway), and since we’re pretty nazi-like about what games come into the house, it hasn’t been much of an issue so far.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 11, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you play Oblivion too?

I played it for a few days and eventually got bored with it. I figured Skyrim was similar, so I haven’t tried it. All that walking around and talking to everyone made me lose interest.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 12, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I haven't played the Elder Scrolls games, but that would definitely make me lose interest.

Repetitive tasks are a game killer, even if it is storyline tied in. For a game to be successful, anything repetitive needs to be optional, but still have good rewards for doing it.

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by -JP- on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

EVERYTHING

is optional in Skyrim… I bought PS3 for free online play, in general a more powerful processor, and 3D games. The debate is stupid anyways, the only people who argue are those that have one or the other, and at that point the systems are so similar that there is no point in having both. I just think the PS3 is a better machine that has more upside and costs less to own in the long-run (in you play online games).

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 12, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Quests may be optional

but do you still have to talk to a bunch of people to complete them?

by sjlee on Jan 12, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Either that or kill them.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Jan 14, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope.

But if that bores you then you’re probably making the right call. I sort of like it myself.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 12, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

After the Minecraft 20010 fiasco

This is why I’m avoiding Skyrim.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Jan 12, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Minecraft...

Talk about a game that you can waste a lot of time playing. One of my friends called it “Legos for adults”, and that’s about right.

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by -JP- on Jan 12, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Legos are Legos for adults

You just need to build more complicated stuff. :)

by cwolf20 on Jan 12, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Pictures?

that sounds awesome

BCB: Pointless Exercises in Devils Advocacy

by Jeo on Jan 13, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll have to see if I can find them.

To be fair, I have no talent, and it probably doesn’t look too much like Miller Park (i.e. the colors aren’t right because I just had multi-color legos that I was playing my son was playing with.

Steve
http://nohuddleoffense.blogspot.com

by stigmo on Jan 13, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

And it turns you OCD

Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.

by Tepo6688 on Jan 12, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure about that.

You don’t have to be that…..NO! A creeper just blew up the outer wall of my castle! Now I need to spend an hour rebuilding it, and it’s made of obsidian so I need to mine more of that. This is going to take a while.

I’m sorry, what was I talking about?

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by -JP- on Jan 12, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Wait, I just realized that doesn't make sense.

Creepers can’t blow up an obsidian wall.

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by -JP- on Jan 12, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

For me, it's not just my house.

I have to repair any landscape that gets destroyed by a creeper, and when I’m mining or digging I have to be sure not to make the landscape look unnatural.

Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.

by Tepo6688 on Jan 12, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Second this

Skyrim is one of the best games I’ve played in a long, long time.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 12, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

I rarely went to JSOnline before… now it’ll be even less.

Each local TV station has their own website which are still free completely with up-to-date news as well as weather forecasts. People can go there if they don’t want to hit the free limit. For Brewers news, anyone can always just come here, use Twitter or just read McCalvy’s blog.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 10, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I try to avoid JSonline in general

This just makes it easier for me.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Jan 11, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

The Twitter loophole is easy to use if you're adamant about not paying them

People certainly aren’t entitled to the blog content for free, though. The writers have to get paid and it’s either going to be through ads all over the page or a subscription. They figure that a certain amount of people will be willing to pay, even if in their mind it’s more of a donation than anything because you can still find ways to get similar content. It’s nice that MLB.com can seem to support its writers but that’s probably mostly through MLB.tv revenues, which is another subscription service.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Jan 10, 2012 4:27 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure this is true

A lot of newspapers have tried to charge, and I’m not familiar with any for which it has worked. If they are going to charge a fee, they’ll only get subscribers if they offer something with a far higher level of quality than what’s available for free (Wins Above Associated Press).

But you’d pretty much have to be a complete Brewer news junkie to pay JS when the content at BCB (or, I imagine, a number of other places) is so much higher. Heck, you produce much better content than anything Haudricourt does. I’d pay to log in to BCB. I wouldn’t even consider it at JS.

Regardless, I suspect that newspapers will be forced to reevaluate their entire business model sometime soon.

Steve
http://nohuddleoffense.blogspot.com

by stigmo on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with everything in your comment

But there are several papers for whom online paywalls are working. The most prominent two examples are the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times, which can offer valuable, specialized financial news. Early returns from the New York Times’ paywall are quite good as well.

Results for local/regional papers like the JS are mixed, but the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette (the largest newspaper in Arkansas) has charged for online access for years and has done great with it. The Minneapolis Star Tribune launched a similar paywall to the JS a few months ago, and while traffic is down, revenue is up.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Seems like you use the JS for a lot of stuff

Why again do you think you’re entitled to get it for free?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jan 10, 2012 6:01 PM CST reply actions  

I only started reading the Brewers blog after they canned Witrado...

I’m sorry, “after he left” (I like to think of it as them canning him). I really didn’t miss much by reading only McCalvy, because he’s probably as good a beat writer as there is for the Brewers (and he doesn’t complain as much as TH).

Kyle and the crew here are still going to do a great job linking to fresh free content every day, so I don’t feel like anyone will miss out by boycotting JSO.

by mpbMKE on Jan 11, 2012 10:21 AM CST reply actions  

weather? news?

weather: weather.com, accuweather.com or wunderground.com. Take your pick. Or add a weather applet thingie to iGoogle.

news: cnn.com, foxnews.com, msnbc.com, bbc.com, bbcamerica.com, or even TMZ.com. Or you could just use the yahoo/google news feeds

You can bookmark whichever you want and throw them up on the bar on top of your browser. The only area where JS has semi-exclusive domain is local news. And there you might be able to find content on http://www.expressmilwaukee.com/, http://host.madison.com/wsj/ or greenbaypressgazette.com. It’s the g’dmn’d internet. It goes everywhere – it’s not like you need to VPN tunnel through the JS.

The only thing I fear from this change is some of the Old Vegas drivel will probably take up permanent residence here.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 11, 2012 2:55 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

If you're adding TMZ, might as well add ESPN seeing as they're similar

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Jan 11, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

Local news can be found on the local TV sites too…

WISN (ABC), WITI (FOX) , WTMJ (NBC) or WDJT (CBS)

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 11, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

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