Thursday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while taking the average.
We're 30 days away from pitchers and catchers reporting to Maryvale, and yesterday we learned that you can feel free to make other plans for Sunday nights in April, May and July. ESPN has unveiled the schedule for ten Sunday Night Baseball broadcasts in early 2012 and the Brewers (along with the Diamondbacks and Tigers) won't be making an appearance. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar notes that six of the ten games announced (and all four in April) are AL games, but also shows a somewhat unexciting list of Brewer games that could have been aired.
Should we be worried about Yovani Gallardo's workload? Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated included him on a list of pitchers who could face injury issues in 2012, noting that Gallardo's 226.1 innings in 2011 where 41.1 more than he pitched the previous year. He took a similar jump between 2006 and 2007 before missing most of the 2008 season with a knee injury. (h/t @Mass_Haas)
Ryan Braun is still planning on attending the New York BBWAA dinner this weekend to accept the NL MVP award, and yesterday his agent announced he plans to give a speech at the event on Saturday. David Brown of Yahoo has already decided Braun is guilty and says he should refuse the award, while Bob Nightengale says he voted for Braun and wouldn't change his vote now.
Here are today's Prince Fielder notes:
- The Rangers are saying they're no longer interested in a long term deal for Fielder, but Bob Nightengale says not to count them out and It's About The Money has a list of reasons he'll end up there.
- Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post says the Nationals now appear to be the favorites to sign Fielder.
- Fresh Brewed is still begging Fielder to come back to Milwaukee.
- Carson Cistulli of NotGraphs used Fielder to demonstrate what democracy looks like.
If you're needing your heart warmed this morning, Anthony Castrovince of MLB.com has the ticket: A story involving Craig Counsell, former coach Rich Donnelly and the phrase "the chicken runs at midnight."
In the minors:
- Francisco Rodriguez allowed two runs on two hits and a walk in his lone inning for La Guaira last night, but still held on for the save in their 9-8 win over Magallanes in the Venezuelan playoffs. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
- As part of yesterday's All Questions Answered thread John Sickels of Minor League Ball picked Jed Bradley out of a list of candidates as the guy who most looks like a major league pitcher. He also once again acknowledged Zelous Wheeler's awesome name.
- The Wisconsin Timber Rattlers talked to infielder Nick Shaw this week in the latest installment of their Interrogation Room series. Shaw may not be a major leaguer, but the organization could use more guys with his plate discipline.
- As of this writing Tyler Thornburg leads Taylor Green by 65 votes in the voting for the #3 spot on our BCB Community Prospect list. You have until 1 pm today to cast your vote, then stop back after 2 to see the nominees for #4.
John Steinmiller announced on Twitter yesterday that new Brewer Norichika Aoki will wear #7. I know a handful of you were planning on buying his jersey, but maybe now you can repurpose an old J.J. Hardy instead.
Another day, another thing that's kind of like a power ranking: The Outside Corner says the Brewers have baseball's seventh best starting rotation.
Around baseball:
Astros: Designated catcher Craig Tatum for assignment.
Cubs: Signed catcher Jason Jaramillo to a minor league deal.
Mariners: Signed pitcher Oliver Perez to a minor league deal.
Rangers: Signed pitcher Yu Darvish to a six year, $60 million deal.
Rockies: Signed pitcher Jamie Moyer to a minor league deal.
Moyer, as you've probably heard, is 49 years old and a veteran of 24 major league seasons. The Platoon Advantage notes that he's also only four degrees of separation away from Babe Ruth.
In former Brewers: High Heat Stats says Eric Plunk was the fifth most under-appreciated player of the 90's.
In further proof that we live in strange times: We may only be a few years away from seeing the last Bob play in the major leagues. Jon Bois of Baseball Nation notes that MLB only has two Bobs left. The last Brewer named Bob was Robert James "R.J." Swindle, who pitched a few games in 2009. There hasn't been a Brewer who actually went by Bob since 2000, when Bob Wickman and Bob Scanlan were teammates.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to pick up a prom dress. (h/t PocketDoppler)
Drink up.
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dave brown has a bug up his butt.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on Jan 19, 2012 10:08 AM CST reply actions
It's the market inefficiency of bloggers.
Forget thumb size or typing speed.
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by Yar Nivek on Jan 19, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Between him and Passan, Yahoo baseball writers are taking an unfair stance against Braun
I wrote Passan an email and told him how I felt about it, but don’t expect he’ll respond. There are a ton of reasons I hope Braun overturns this, but not far down the list is the amount of backtracking these two will have to do. I’m so sick of their holier-than-thou stance. It’s sloppy writing at best and slander at worst.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Passan hates everything Wisconsin
He must have been fed only moldy cheese as a child.
Mark Attanasio is the best.
Passan
Jeff Passan is one of worst columnists on the web. His articles are consistently some of the most pompous, yet least intelligent out there.
"You guys know me. I take a long time to analyze things."
- Ned Yost
by SunglassesAtNight on Jan 19, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The Muppets and their Athlete Equivalents
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I'm not terribly concerned about Gallardo.
He showed no signs of having a dead arm at the end of the season, and we’ve been told several times that he has ideal mechanics.
But
THE LAST TIME HIS INNINGS JUMPED THIS MUCH, HE WAS INJURED THE WHOLE NEXT YEAR. INJURED!!!!
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The elbow bone's connected to my....wrist watch.
Uh oh.
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by Yar Nivek on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I caught it, even if nobody else does.
Once again, 20-year-old Simpsons references rule BCB!
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
Simpsons references are easy
Everyone seems to remember them. It’s too bad they don’t show the old episodes on TV anymore. I’ve started buying the first seasons used on DVD just so I can watch them. I already have Seasons 1-4 and 20, need to pick up the next few seasons sometime in the near future.
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I am yet to meet a person in real life who gets this one
“Very well! Give the fools their tar-tar sauce!”
2011: A wasted year
Really?
That’s one of my favorites. I guess it’s overshadowed by the more-memorable “Dental Plan! Lisa Needs Braces.”
The best part of that episode was Grampa's anecdote about going to Shelbyville
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
Do you know how many bones there are in the hand?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 19, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn’t that when he tore his ACL if a collison with Fielder at 1b?
"You are only a success at the moment that you do a successful act"
-Tex Winter
It was during a play at 1B (against the Cubs)
but it wasn’t a collision with anyone. He jumped over a diving Reed Johnson and landed awkwardly.
The play is show starting at the 15 second mark.
There should be a ban on linking that video.
by Noah Jarosh on Jan 19, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
FIGHT ON BROTHER!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 19, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
You really need to substitute the Mercedes logo on his cap.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
I dont think that the big innings jump shows its form in a dead arm
As much as in a shoulder or elbow injury.
I think his mechanics are pretty good, but I have always wondered about the tremendous whip he has in his arm showing up as an elbow problem somewhere down the line.
Hmm.
He’s been pitching professionally since he was 18 years old and has never had elbow issues. You’d think that would crop up before now.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Not if he had manageable workloads
Your statement could have been applied to Josh Johnson last year, or John Smoltz, or Kerry Wood, or Ryan Dempster, all players who had TJ surgery come out of the blue.
The big workload increase is always a reason to fear injury following the increase.
I don't know if I'd call ~20 innings a "big" increase
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
He's had a 43% increase before, with no ill effects.
Talking about this is useless, anyways. I always wait for him to start pitching to contact; those 8 pitch Ks really rack up the pitch count.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
That doesn't mean it won't happen this time around.
I’m not saying that I think he gets hurt, I’m just saying that since he survived once means he will survive again.
Those 40 innings were also with additonal time.
Its not like he pitched 40 more innings in a 162 game season.
I hate Yuni.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jan 19, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
20 in the PS.
But good point.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Still wear and tear on the arm
I’m not expecting injury from the guy, but the inning overdose would increase the chances of one.
All this fuss for 20 extra innings in the playoffs, all on regular rest?
Were you this concerned when Lincecum threw 37.0 more innings in the 2010 playoffs?
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
There's no point in trying to convince Chicken Little the sky isn't falling.
One thing’s for sure, BTC seeing bad things for any Brewer is a hell of a lot more predictable than an elbow or shoulder injury is no matter how big of an inning jump there is.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 19, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
To be fair...
I’m not expecting injury from the guy…
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
If you're interested in fairness..
… then you should start patrolling these threads to point out BTC’s false assumptions, overlooked points, and errors, instead of just mine. It is nice that he said he wasn’t expecting an injury for him after 3 posts about the additional wear and tear on his arm. I’m not really sure what the point was if it wasn’t to predict doom, but you’re quite right that he did say the words “I’m not expecting injury from the guy”.
Congratulations on keeping the thread safe for BTC’s brand of analysis. Another victory for truth, justice, and trolls in sabremetric clothing.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 19, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I read almost everything on this site,
and it’s true, BtC’s comments are frequently seemingly anti-Brewers, and sometimes present questionable opinions. Frankly, he can be annoying. If you’ll look, I have called him out before. However, we seem to be moving towards the point where he can’t say anything at all without being attacked, and personally I find that just as annoying/tiresome.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't focused on that line
so much as the “inning overdose” jab that followed it.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Jan 19, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
I said that “Its NOT like he pitched 40 more…”
I hate Yuni.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jan 20, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
Not out of the blue.
Not for Johnson — he’s had issues with his shoulder and forearm for at least five years.
Kerry Wood was 21 when he blew out his elbow. He had hideous mechanics and put an insane amount of stress on his elbow when he threw his slider.
Smoltz’ TJ surgery didn’t come out the blue, either: he’d had elbow issues as far back as 1994.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Jan 19, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Stop ruining it
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 19, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Best quote...
Mets fans might look at Jon Niese’s 2009 injury and point to Verducci’s warning label. They’d be ignoring the fact that no other pitcher that Verducci identified in ’09 spent a single day on the disabled list.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
I laughed out loud when Verducci referenced Gallardo's previous appearance on his at risk list...
And that last time he was on the “at risk” list he only pitched 24 innings the following season because of a knee injury. This gave the obvious implication that the Verducci Effect was predictive of injury in that case because Gallardo blowing out his knee in a freak play at first was clearly attributable to overwork the previous season.
I don’t think old sports journalists are always terrible out of hand. But when they act like old sports journalists and pretend like they can still get away with it, it makes me sad for them.
by kmals on Jan 19, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Best repurposing of a Hardy jersey that I've seen was this:
Covered up “HARDY” with tape and wrote “ESCOBAR”
Next to “7” wrote “X3”
by tcyoung on Jan 19, 2012 10:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
R.J. Swindle doesn't count as a "Bob" by Jon Bois' definition.
Because of the fact that he is known by “R.J.”
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6 years / $60M for Darvish seems low, based on his hype, and Dice-K's contract.
What happened there?
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Dice-K happened.
It probably ended up hurting him more than helping him. He had just as much (if not more) hype coming over, and then he started pitching in MLB games.
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But in that case I would think Darvish would prefer a shorter contract
He could prove his value and then get $15-$20 million per season as long as he turns out to be better than Randy Wolf.
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but after that huge posting fee I doubt the rangers wanted to go short
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Seems like a steal...
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
18M a year? He'd better be a perennial all-star for that type of cash.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 19, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it looks like 10M to me.
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
To Darvish, sure
but their total outlay with the posting fee is around 18M a year.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Not exactly.
They most likely account for it as $60MM this year adn $10MM each year going forward. The posting fee probably comes from a seperate budget, like player development or something. It almost certainly isn’t applied to payroll, since it’s not being used to pay a player any more than the cost of a farm system (excluding salaries) is paid to a player.
I don't think they have that big of a player development budget
It’s basically just a frontloaded 6/$110 deal.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
I sincerely doubt it's accounted that way.
I get your point, that it’s money spent on the player, but I forget who posted a reasonable parallel on Twitter: “They don’t count the cost of a Dominican Academy in the player’s salary.”
Teams only have so much money to spend, hard to divert $60M
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
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A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
"Shows why the posting system sucks, though."
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Shows why the posting system sucks, though
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd personally like to be the first to strip Front Row Amy of her "Queen of Brewersland" title
And award it to Megan Brown, who wrote that piece begging Fielder to stay in Milwaukee.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
Somehow extra words got into your title.
Don’t you mean “I’d personally like to be the first to strip Front Row Amy.”
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by Yar Nivek on Jan 19, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really, really doubt I'd be the first.
Or even the 75th.
Boom.
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
From some misogynist, no doubt
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 19, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Greened.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 19, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
This is great
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
Wow.
She’s attractive and has good seats.
Clearly she’s a slut.
I hope you never serve on a sexual assault jury.
Ever.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 19, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Kewl
If you’re going to yell at him fine, but at least yell at Dayman and Nivek, to. For the record I don’t think anybody said anything wrong.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Fair point...
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 19, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yar and Dayman just said she was attractive
BtC implied the only reason a woman would have good seats is by sleeping with someone. Big difference, but I see we’re rebelling this week by needlessly defending BtC.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
*too
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
You're working on a time machine.
At least that’s the angle I’m going with.
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I thought the same thing.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I read the David Brown article
It’s one of the stupidest arguments I’ve ever heard. First of all, the article only makes sense if you agree with his two assumptions, which are that Braun is guilty, and that he knowingly took a drug to improve his performance. Even if you agree with those points, it still is a stretch at best to make sense. How does it help his image to turn down the award? Why should he turn it down if he believes he is innocent?
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by -JP- on Jan 19, 2012 11:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Anybody think a team out there will take a chance on Ben Sheets this year?
Wonder what it would take to get him.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Jan 19, 2012 12:04 PM CST reply actions
How much would the medical insurance alone for his contract cost?
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He'd be a gamble for sure, but he might be worth it if his contract is fine 1 mil or less.
Don’t know what the chances of that happening would be.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Jan 19, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Actually if I remember right, medical insurance is paid for by the team separately, per CBA
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 19, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
I bet someone would consider offering him a league-minimum or minor league contract
with all the usual clauses about being added to the MLB roster before a specific date or be released.
The question is whether Sheets is willing to take that deal or simply retire.
This is the question I shold have asked.
And if I were running a team, I would offer him that contract.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Jan 19, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
No idea what his injuries did to his pitching ability
But I’d love to take a flier on him as a reliever if he’s cheap and looks like he can still sort of pitch.
If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!
by SRB on Jan 19, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Was this posted a few days ago?
I remember some talk about Jon Jay, but wasn’t sure if it was about this.
Anyway, he came out in support of Ryan Braun.
Link (I saw this link in a JSOnline article, but didn’t know if I could post that link here and everyone could actually read it.)
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Ok, so Haudricourt is just three days behind.
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Uh oh.
@dSoldevila: Fausto Carmona´s real name is Roberto Hernandez. He´s 31, not 28 like the Indians thought. Was arrested today for false identity
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Shouldn't have made that deal with the devil...
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Exactly what I thought.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 19, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
I know Braun's image has been forever stained, which sucks but
I was really pleased to see that people aren’t just wanting to lynch him and are at least giving him a chance, he’ll still have a huge following even if he loses his appeal. I realized this when reading the comments on that god awful yahoo article. Most of the comments were people from every team saying “Brown you suck at your job, give him a chance” which made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
(Verb) you cardinals.
by Taterwithbacon on Jan 19, 2012 2:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
because they need an extra instructor in spring training
also, the crop of available minor league FA starting pitching is probably worse than Jamie Moyer. Most of the guys that are even remotely decent are signed already. I mean, with LHP, who else could they sign? Chase Wright?
Finally a use for my hardy jersey
Definitely going to put duct tape over the name and write Aoki over it in marker in a really ghetto fashion.
by Rabbit915 on Jan 19, 2012 4:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Make it white duct tape so people can read "AOKI"
Better yet, make it dark blue duct tape, but then in white duct tape write “AOKI.” Classy.









































