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Some things to read while being shown the door.

We're 26 days away from pitchers and catchers reporting to spring training, and for the first time in a long time we may have good news regarding Ryan Braun: Dan Patrick cited a source this morning saying there's a good chance Braun may not be suspended after all (FanShot). There's still no official timetable for an announcement of the results of Braun's appeal, but maybe this fight isn't over after all.

Braun, of course, was in New York on Saturday in a velvet tuxedo to officially accept the NL MVP Award. He didn't specifically mention his current issues in his speech but alluded to them several times by mentioning the "challenges" he faces at this point. You can see full video of his speech here or read a transcript at Brewer Nation. Jon Heyman called the speech "appropriate." Ken Rosenthal left a voicemail with his reaction. Alex Poterack of Disciples of Uecker has a response to the pundits who said Braun should have given the award back. Tom Haudricourt said nearly a dozen members of the Brewer organization attended the event.

A crew spent this morning installing the 2011 NL Central Champions banner at Miller Park, and John Steinmiller has a picture (FanShot). Get a good look while you can: Tom Haudricourt notes the team will probably cover it with a drape until unveiling it on Opening Day.

Here's the latest on Norichika Aoki's new contract: Jon Heyman says he could earn slightly more than $8.6 million over the next three years if he maxes out his incentives. Those incentives probably include bonuses for things like All Star appearances and award voting, and even if he gets them all he'll still be making less than he did in Japan last season.

I don't want to read too much into this, but it's possible the Brewers still have a little budget space left: Brewer Executive VP Rick Schlesinger recently spoke to a group in Green Bay and a Brewerfan.net reader reports he said the payroll going forward is "projected at about $108-112 million." Currently 2012 payroll projections have the team slightly under $100 million.

Here are today's Prince Fielder notes:

This winter's massive collection of other developments has overshadowed Nyjer Morgan somewhat, and that's a feat that's not easy to accomplish. Nick Prill of The Brewers Bar has a look at what we can expect from Tony Plush in his second season in Milwaukee.

We've spent plenty of time this winter, meanwhile, discussing expectations for Mat Gamel. Baseball America has a story on the subject, but it's subscriber-only.

In the minors:

  • Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com compiled a list of the top ten second base prospects in the minors and listed Scooter Gennett eighth.
  • Wisconsin Sports Tap ranked the top five catchers in the Brewer organization, led by Martin Maldonado.
  • Reviewing The Brew has a look at the season that lies ahead for Wily Peralta.
  • They probably could have picked up the win without him, but Francisco Rodriguez pitched a scoreless ninth for La Guaira yesterday in their 16-1 win over Magallanes in the Venezuelan playoffs. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.

Meanwhile, Jed Bradley has a 137 vote lead on Logan Schafer for the #5 spot in our Community Prospect Rankings. You have until 1 today to cast your vote, and the balloting for #6 will open at 2.

I've previously mentioned MLB Network's new Baseball IQ game show, but Adam McCalvy has a reminder that it debuts tomorrow and a profile of the Brewer representative, senior account executive Jeff Hibicke.

Around baseball:

Astros: Signed catcher Chris Snyder to a one year deal with a mutual option for 2013.
Athletics: Signed outfielder Jonny Gomes to a one year deal.
Giants: Signed pitcher Sergio Romo to a one year, $1.575 million deal to avoid arbitration.
Indians: Acquired pitcher Kevin Slowey from the Rockies for a minor league pitcher and signed infielder Julio Lugo to a minor league deal.
Mariners: Signed pitcher Kevin Millwood to a minor league deal.
Marlins: Signed pitcher Gary Glover to a minor league deal.
Nationals: Signed outfielder Mike Morse to a two year, $10.5 million deal to avoid his final two arbitration seasons.
Orioles: Signed pitcher Dennys Reyes to a minor league deal.
Rangers: Signed first baseman/outfielder Brad Hawpe to a minor league deal.
Rays: Signed first baseman Carlos Pena to a one year, $7.25 million deal.
Red Sox: Signed pitcher Daniel Bard to a one year, $1.6125 million deal to avoid arbitration.
Rockies: Acquired shortstop Marco Scutaro from the Red Sox for pitcher Clayton Mortensen.
Yankees: Signed outfielder Brett Gardner to a one year, $2.8 million deal to avoid arbitration.

Today in former Brewers:

Bill James made a list of 2011's 100 best pitching duels for Grantland, and surprisingly there are only two Brewer games on it: Zack Greinke and Chris Carpenter's matchup on September 7 and Randy Wolf and Ryan Dempster's confrontation on June 13. (h/t Halos Heaven)

In baseball economics:

Don Walker of the JS (behind the paywall) notes that the pending Dodger sale has a Brewer tie-in: One of the potential new owners believed to have submitted a bid is Brewer minority owner Tony Ressler.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm out of gummy bears.

Drink up.

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I think its worth noting on payroll

that the team may account for things different than, say, I do. Its possible they’ll include the Aoki posting fee. Its possible they’ll also include manager and coaches salaries which we don’t get info on. But its also possible that they are inflating the numbers so that they can have the ‘cushion’ or ‘wiggle room’ that Melvin and Mark A. seem to enjoy.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

Wiggle room.

The payroll budget has typically been several million dollars higher than the opening day payroll, to account for potential bonuses, incentives, and in-season player transactions. So, $108-$112MM sounds about right given their current projected opening day payroll.

by mpbMKE on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

He's probably counting the full 40-man, also.

And possibly a projection for purchasing minor league contracts when they call players up to the majors.

by tcyoung on Jan 23, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, apropos of nothing

I shaved in a mustache this morning. I actually look like a 25-years-younger version of Ron Swanson. Sort of creepy.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

Well I'll be 32 tomorrow

but I really don’t look a day over 25. And Ron looks like he’s about 50 to me.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Happy Birthday Eve.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Jan 23, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

I’ll need to get rid of this dirt squirrel by tomorrow, though. I’m having lunch with my grandmother, and she hates mustaches.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Ron Swanson doesn't believe in birthdays.

Proof

Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".

by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And thanks

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

It irritates me that our $8M setup guy is still pitching in the VWL

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

Sorry about 'our' for anyone who gets upset about that

I usually try to say “the Brewers’”

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

You really shouldn't apologize for that

Those people are weird.

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Jan 23, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

For those who do get upset at it

If I owned one of those “shares” of Packer stock, would I be justified in saying “we” when referring to the Packers?

by cwolf20 on Jan 23, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

To me, fans of any team are justified in saying it

Because the team depends solely on them to operate.

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Jan 23, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah that's the way I feel about it too

but some people get irrationally irritated about it, so I was just trying to mitigate.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

From 2010 ESPN Insider article
Minaya was put in a similar position when big-money closer Francisco Rodriguez also decided to play for Magallanes in the Venezuelan league finals. Prior to the series, Rodriguez told Venezuelan reporters that he was putting no limitations on his participation, meaning he was willing to pitch in consecutive games and perhaps for more than one inning in each game.

-Jorge Aranguré

by ecocd on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

So, sort of

screw you, I do what I want?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

With his track record

That’s kind of how things work.

by ecocd on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

just keep his father in law away, and everything should be fine

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Jan 23, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

As of last week he hadn't pitched on consecutive days or more than one inning for La Guaira.

I’d be livid if, for example, Marcum was pitching winter ball. But I don’t think K-Rod is working enough to get overworked.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jan 23, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

All it takes is one stroke of bad luck

and he’s down for the year. I guess its not something the organisation has any control over. I mean he already told a different team that he was going to pitch anyway.

I’d doubt that the Brewers approve. And I’m sure that the Gallardo knee injury (freak accident, stroke of bad luck) and the Greinke injury (bad luck, offseason) are remembered with some trepidation.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed-

he really shouldn’t be pitching right now.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to go on record right now saying that Bob Simpson is an idiot

There’s no way in hell that Josh Hamilton is a better hitter or human being than Prince Fielder. He is a prime example of the number of excuses baseball will make for people who can hit home runs, where Fielder is a model citizen who never misses a game and a true leader in the clubhouse and the community. Extending Hamilton, a recovering drug addict after age 30, at probably $20MM/year, is not even close to the value of signing Fielder. If I heard that I’d tell Boras to cross the Rangers off my list.

Also, numbers*:
Hamilton, productive years (2008-2011): .045 HR/PA, .366 OB%, .907 OPS
Fielder, recent batting history (2008-11): .053 HR/PA, .400 OB%, .936 OPS

*Numbers include Hamilton’s MVP season, and do not include Fielder’s best season.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

But there is something to be said for Brand Continuity.

Rangers fans like Hamilton. Maybe they even think they can get Hamilton at a discount.

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

My problem is that it's set up as an "either-or."

As if they were comparable or interchangeable products, which they are not. Possibly they are saying they can’t afford both, but unless they clarify, they are also saying one is preferable to the other.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

pretty sure that means either or when he says they would rather have hamilton back instead of fielder because it would be too pricey.

by evand on Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I would sign Fielder before extending Hamilton

But only because of age, but your numbers only show areas that Fielder outdid Hamilton. Over the course of those 4 years, Hamilton put up 1.2 more WAR, while playing in 145 fewer games.

Hamilton is the better player.

by backtocali on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

But Fielder's body is big!

He's going to be a terrible sack of miserable fat and worthlessness in 3 years.

by ecocd on Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

That could be

And anyone who took Hamilton over Fielder the arguement could be made “recovering drug addict” vs “big body” is probably a point that cancels out the other.

I would take Fielder because of his age, and the fact that you could DH him if he gets immoble as a First Baseman.

by backtocali on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I've actually always thought that, too

Given that pretty much all of his value comes from his bat, I don’t see how moving him to DH is going to be a big hit to his value to any AL team. If one is really worried about his weight, just figure his going to be the second coming of Big Papi and be happy to have him on the team, anyway.

by ecocd on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

And I'd take Fielder

Because he hits more HRs than Lou Gehrig and gets on base more than Tony Gwynn.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hamilton won't get old and fat

He has a “high” metabolism

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

oh man

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha... yeah.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

The implication was that they could both be productive until, say, 35 as DH

Then Fielder has 8 years left and Hamilton has 4. It’s a matter of saying Fielder has 8 years of productivity in him regardless of his weight so I’d rather have Fielder for 8 years than Hamilton for 4. It wasn’t meant to say Hamilton would be deficient as a DH.

by ecocd on Jan 23, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

For what it's worth

I think it’s awesome that your grandma’s a baseball fan.

Mine is too—president of the Irrational Kameron Loe Haters of America.

Steve
http://nohuddleoffense.blogspot.com

by stigmo on Jan 23, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

My great-grandma

used to spend her twilight years listening to Bob Uecker calling the games. And playing scrabble.

I miss my great grandma.

by Archibaldcrane on Jan 23, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

This is one of those sentences

that I think is written in English, but I can’t be sure…

=)

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Very possibly

I might be in danger of further confusing our transatlantic cousins with this remark, but its fair to say she was very much of what can only be described as a “hunnish” persuasion…

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by MrLeam on Jan 23, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Did she also have no love for cheese eating surrender monkeys?

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Mutual hatred of Brits then?

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That, and a general disdain for American tourists.

Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".

by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

And tacos!

Everyone loves tacos!

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 23, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I love your grandma

I’ll be seeing mine tomorrow. Warms my heart!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

That part about him not looking like a ballplayer reminded me of Moneyball (which I finally saw last week).

by sjlee on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we can have a debate on who's the better hitter.

I’m not sure any of us knows Hamilton or Fielder well enough to discuss which one is the better human being.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

I hate when we start talking whether or not people are good human beings…

by evand on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

OK

And Josh Hamilton started his own charity
And I would wager a pretty good chunk of change that Prince Fielder has been drunk.

by Noah Jarosh on Jan 23, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

And Fielder got into a public altercation with a teammate

and tried to bullrush an opposing team’s clubhouse after he got hit by a pitch.

I mean: we can do this kind of stuff all day, but I don’t think we’re going to get very far.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

You'll probably get pretty far

but it will be down the road of anger and regret.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't be serious.

There is no comparison between these two guys. Fielder is absolutely a class act, Hamilton is one half-step away from the abyss.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you heard of these guys before?

Are you aware of Prince Fielder’s clubhouse leadership and character?
Did you know that the Rangers employ a person full-time to keep Hamilton from stuffing drugs up his nose?

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Did Josh Hamilton kick your dog or something?

Being addicted to heroin isn’t exactly like being “addicted to chocolate.” Many (most?) addicts never recover, and he’s doing it publicly, with the whole world waiting for him to trip up. I think that’s a very strong indication of his character.

by mpbMKE on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Heroin too?

I only knew about the crack and alcohol. I’m happy that he’s meeting the base minimum requirement for human behavior now, but he doesn’t deserve a gold star.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually fail to see how that makes him a bad person

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Crack, not heroin.

Still not seeing your point.

by mpbMKE on Jan 23, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Heroin is what he was addicted to?

Geezzzz….

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Would you like me to loan you his book?

Nobody’s trying to attack Prince Fielder’s character (at least nobody on this board), we are just trying to say that the attacks on Hamilton are ridiculous.

by tcyoung on Jan 23, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a ridiculous discussion anyway...

Who cares what their character is like? Obviously the Rangers don’t.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the Internet

what else are we going to do?

by ecocd on Jan 23, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

It hasn't prevented him from doing his job at a very high level

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not

Jamming his body full of drugs and alcohol may or may not have contributed to his body breaking down and being unable to play a full season since 2008. Fielder has missed 13 games in his entire career.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

He had injury issues before he started doing drugs and drinking alcohol

Ironically, he started doing drugs while he was injured.

I agree with you that giving him a big contract is a big risk, due to his past. However, to say he’s a worse human being than somebody else is crazy.

by tcyoung on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the difference is

I view addiction to illegal drugs as an issue of poor character. I’m somewhat surprised that no one else does. It’s not like you accidentally fall on a crack pipe and get stoned, you make a choice. If you choose illegal drugs, you have weak character.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, well

Brett Favre beat his vicodin addiction and he's clearly an asshole.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

At the most optimistic you could consider it a zero sum equation

Although that would be if your wife forgives you for drinking and slutting around with groupies, your kids see it as a clear example of why controlled substances are bad and not an example of low far they can go and still come back, and you forgive yourself and the organization for blowing your signing bonus and the years the team invested in you before you finally made something of yourself.

He gets no points for repairing self-inflicted wounds. If he were able to also fix the lives of others in the process and stand by others on their road to recovery, then we could consider him a person of good character. But he’s not really doing that, is he? He’s just hitting baseballs and trying to to think about getting stoned.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

*trying not to

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

So your point is basically illustrated

on that episode of the Simpsons when Bart wants to start smoking, so that Homer will praise him for quitting.

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Jan 23, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't see that one

Funny – but essentially the idea.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Good P.R. move.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Lambast him for "not doing anything" then criticise his charitable work?

Do you want him healing the blind and deaf? Walking on water? Multiplying the loaves and fishes? Only Tim Tebow can do these things.

by mpbMKE on Jan 23, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't criticize his charitable work.

And if you can show me that his “work” entailed something other than writing a check to his accountant for tax purposes, please enlighten me.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

FWIW

Hamilton says that he feels his mission in life is to help people overcome their addictions. He thinks that’s why he was given his talents, so that he could have the platform that he has.

Now, I’m not much of a religious guy, so I don’t buy into the whole fate and god-given talents thing, but he’s definitely using his platform to help others.

Sorry null, I didn’t intend to argue with you all day long. I just don’t think I’ve ever seen such negative things said about him or people question his sincerity, at least not since his story has gone mainstream.

by tcyoung on Jan 23, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to hear more of that upside then

If he’s really active with the youth and making a difference it should be publicized more.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

One does choose to start using drugs.

However, one never “chooses” to become addicted to them.

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

People can change.

They usually don’t.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

So what's the timeline for determining if Hamilton has changed?

5 years? 10? 15? 20? Posthumously?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Shit got deep here today, yeah?

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Jan 23, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Deep people, this lot.

I don’t bother arguing with anyone I don’t respect, there’s no point. This board is filled with awesome people, so I sometimes knaw on a point or two longer than is polite.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you know that the Devil Rays had to intervene when Josh was 19...

..because Hamilton wanted to live with his parents when he was in the minors, and the team thought he’d be better off gaining some independence?

Did you know that he injured his back in a car accident, and suddenly had all of this newfound time on his hands because he couldn’t play baseball and now lived alone?

Did you know that he spent his mornings getting treatment for his back injury and his afternoons in a tattoo parlor, because it was a place where he could spend time and not be alone?

Did you know that the first time he ever did any drug, it was cocaine, and it was also the night he drank his first beer, and the first time he ever went to a strip club? The guys at the tattoo parlor asked him if he wanted to go out with them, and he said yes, because he was happy to fit in.

Hamilton is a good person that got caught up in the wrong crowd, and it turned his life around in an instant. Fortunately, he’s turned it back in the right direction, but now he has to deal with an addiction.

by tcyoung on Jan 23, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

So he chose to hang out with addicts in a tatoo parlor

Brandenton, FL isn’t a dusty little Mexican town, it’s a city of 50,000 people on the gulf of Mexico with serveral colleges and miles of beach. The kid chose very poorly. He could have gone anywhere but he chose a bad crowd, and chose to do bad things with them.

There’s no oops here. He did this to himself. I’m happy that he’s recovering, but he’s got no one to blame but himself.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct.

That doesn’t mean he’s a bad human being, or even the same person he was when he was using drugs.

by tcyoung on Jan 23, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think the typical suburban American experience

Is terrible for preparing people for life. If you’ve never been in a position to struggle or had to face adversity, there’s a part of a person that seeks it out, to some extent, as a natural exploration of the world. If you’ve lived in a bubble – say, good-looking middle-class kid with no money worries and loads of athletic talent – you end up isolated from reality a bit. You can end up doing and saying some pretty stupid things trying to find out where that edge is. It sounds like Josh found it – paid a heavy price for his discovery – and juped back from it. Good for him.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And in our next episode of Deep Thought with BCB

We’ll be exploring the many reincarnations of Carlos Zambrano and his regrets on the incomplete Hun invasion of Europe.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll rec this

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Jan 23, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Right I didn't think we were arguing blame for his addiction

I’m sure he’d tell you it was his fault, too.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

man, i'm kind of hoping someone you love becomes a drug addict

so maybe you’ll stop with the self-righteous, disease suffering addicts are horrible scumbags that clearly have little to no redeeming value to humanity trip.

have a little compassion, a little context, and easy on the holier than thou, please.

by youngmanblues on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I can understand disagreeing with Null's point.. I don't agree with him for the most part.

but I think wishing that someone he loves become a drug addict is taking things things a little too far.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think I ever said anything close to that

I only said that choosing a lifestyle that includes abuse of drugs and alcohol leads people to question his character.

But we’re past that now, we’ve had a nice discussion and smoothed things out. We’ve moved on to story time, and now we’re going to have tea and lemon cookies and read some Bill James.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Raise your hand

if you didn’t do something stupid as a kid, endure the consequences, and move on with your life. I know I would hate to be only known for a bad choice I made when I was in my early 20s.

by mpbMKE on Jan 23, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

When I was in my early 20s I joined BCB.

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Moving on is easy.

Making up for it is what makes you a man.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Who does he have to make it up to?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, if you're familiar with AA

Part of the 12-step program is reconciliation, making up to those who’ve suffered for your actions. We’ll assume he’s done this.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah ok wasn't sure what you were referencing.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

TIL: nullact hates Paul Molitor

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Jan 23, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

One of my favorite players of all time.

I’m aware of his transgressions, his admission, and his work to give back to the community.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not aware of his work to give back to the community.

But apparently he’s working on it.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, he started a charity.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

"If you choose illegal drugs, you have weak character."

Wow, easily the most ridiculous thing I’ve read all day.

by zsxander567 on Jan 23, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

I’m saying his recovery from addiction isn’t preventing it

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Manny Parra is a headcase.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Drugs do bad things to good people.

I bristle at the implication that being a recovering addict makes him a bad person.

by mpbMKE on Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Given that I have as much idea as TH

I’m going to say the 4 teams interested are the Washington Nationals, Baltimore Orioles, Nashville Sounds and the Miami Heat.

Can we have a Fielder-free week for the rest of the week, assuming he doesn’t actually sign somewhere? I honestly don’t care anymore.

by ecocd on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

Multiple teams are starting to say that they're in.

Rangers are “hard” on Fielder, and Orioles are trying to make something work.

But those reports are getting lost in the bad rumors that spread yesterday, though.

by tcyoung on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I REALLY WANT THE ORIOLES TO GET HIM. REALLY, REALLY BADLY.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Nationals!

16th overall pick!

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Jan 23, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Heh

Wouldn’t it be interesting if he did go to the Nationals and Parra ended up facing him?

by sjlee on Jan 24, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

that link is totally Rife with Mold Carnage

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Jim Irwin dies at age 77.

He did some voice work and fill-ins for the Brewers. He is the long-time voice of the Green Bay Packers.

Link

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 23, 2012 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

RIP

Grew up on TMJ and Jim. that’s a bad loss. Thoughts and prayers to his family

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
BCB Fantasy Football League 1 Champ

by Hyatt on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed. RIP Jim :(

Condolences to the family and friends. He was a staple in Wisconsin sports media.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It's good to know he was recognized while he was still alive

being inducted into the Packers Hall of Fame. Too many times they don’t get their due while they’re still alive and in complete control of their faculties.

I grew up listening to him call Packers games. He’ll be missed.

by ecocd on Jan 23, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Right at the top of the mug today.

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by -JP- on Jan 23, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 23, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

The real question is

How will BLou and tuna411 handle it when he’s exonerated completely?

by cwolf20 on Jan 23, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression.

There will be no fifth step for them.

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Lather, Rinse, Repeat. Always repeat.

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't repeat.

Then again, my hair is about half an inch long, if that.

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 23, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I shave my head (just with an electric razor, no bic yet)

I don’t even shampoo. It’s great. All I need to shower is a bar of soap.

by cwolf20 on Jan 23, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't do bars of soap.

they just get gross.
+

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 23, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as it's just my balls.

Nah, I prefer the body scrub, but it lasts significantly longer if you use the ball cleaner too.

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 23, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

that shouldn't be anything new then for them

considering they’re Cub fans

I am too drunk to taste this chicken.

by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 23, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Tuna doesn't even have a favorite team. Take a look at his profile.

He just joins sites for the sake of trolling, with the exception of Minor League Ball.

Go ahead, make my day.

by ilikeburritos on Jan 23, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he goes on Minor League Ball to tell people how awesome Cameron Garfield is.

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

FTFY

Some insight for which I will thank them.

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Bud Selig = Illuminati

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Jan 23, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

In other wildly speculative news from an anonymous "source"

Braun has herpes!

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Jan 23, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Had a strange dream last night with a Brewer element

In it Gamel’s season line was discussed. He hit .281 with 22 homers.

Works for me

by Big10freak on Jan 23, 2012 3:46 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Write that down...

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

There were other components

But I don’t want to be banned so I stopped at the Gamel stuff

by Big10freak on Jan 23, 2012 4:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Muppet BCB is still one of the greatest dreams I ever had.

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you have to self-censor as Big10freak did though?

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by MrLeam on Jan 23, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Afraid not.

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by Yar Nivek on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

My favorite dream ever.

My cousin and I rode around the halls of the local high school on dirt bikes throwing basketballs at Michael Myers. Interpret that shit.

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 23, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't have many dreams that I remember.

It’s a little disappointing. I don’t remember one well enough to call it a “favorite dream”.

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by -JP- on Jan 23, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be really happy with those numbers

In at least 130 games

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be even more happy with those numbers in his first 11 games.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Also, when are we doing that BCB group projection?

We did one last year, right?

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 23, 2012 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

Did anybody else not realize that B-Reference has a really cool free agent tracker?

e.g., players the Brewers have signed this offseason with some major league experience:
Erick Almonte (MIL)
Mike Rivera (MIL)
Alex Gonzalez (ATL)
Travis Ishikawa (SFG)
Aramis Ramirez (CHC)
Juan Perez (PHI)
Cesar Izturis (BAL)
Victor Garate (FLA)
Brooks Conrad (ATL)
Paul Phillips (CLE)

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Jan 23, 2012 5:39 PM CST reply actions  

Rangers have signed Stetter and Green

Minor league deals, with invites to Spring Training.

Link

My first thought was this: will the Brewers have any sidearmers on their Opening Day roster?

by flyingtoasters on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM CST reply actions  

Second thought

was that Texas was trying to compensate for letting us snatch up Brian Shouse. I should think less.

by flyingtoasters on Jan 23, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Is something up with the bullet points in articles today?

I noticed in Kyle’s last few points that the bullets aren’t showing up right. I don’t know if that’s a BCB issue, SBNation issue, or browser on my computer issue.

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by -JP- on Jan 23, 2012 7:31 PM CST reply actions  

Looks OK to me on Google Chrome

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 23, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I want this @MLBInsideNews guy to be right so bad

Twitter will self-implode

btw, he got the Ross signing right before it was reported elsewhere (1/$3M with Boston). JUST SAYING.

If Plush had to pick Wearwolf or Vampire, I'm a Wearwolf!

by SRB on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

Considering it's nearly midnight in DC

My guess is, if it is somehow true, it won’t be confirmed until tomorrow. I don’t know how legit that guy is and need to see a credible source confirm it before I believe it.

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