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We're 24 days away from pitchers and catchers reporting to spring training, and one of this offseason's biggest questions is finally answered: Prince Fielder will be a Tiger in 2012 after signing a nine year, $214 million contract yesterday (FanShot). Jon Heyman says the deal has no opt-out clauses and the salary is pretty evenly spread out over the course of the contract. The Brewers will receive the Tigers' first round pick in the draft (#27) along with the 38th overall pick as compensation. Here's some reaction from around the web:

Meanwhile, there's not much actual Brewer news to report today. Adam McCalvy says the Brewers haven't made any progress in negotiations to avoid arbitration with Shaun Marcum and Jose Veras.

Francisco Rodriguez faces a significant uphill climb to become the sixth current or former Brewer to acquire a new nickname this winter: As of this writing he's fourth in NotGraphs' voting for "The Call Is Coming From Inside the House."

In the minors:

  • Wisconsin Sports Tap has a list of the best second basemen in the Brewer organization
  • Francisco Rodriguez allowed a solo home run but got the save anyway in La Guaira's 4-2 win over Aragua to even the series at 1-1 in the Venezuelan finals. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.

As of this writing Logan Schafer leads Jorge Lopez by 50 votes for the #7 spot in our Community Prospect Rankings. The voting will remain open until 1 today, and the balloting for #8 will open at 2.

If you'd like more Brewer content today but you're sick of reading, the View From Bernie's Chalet podcast is up. This week's topics include Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun and Norichika Aoki.

Around baseball:

Astros: Designated infielder Angel Sanchez for assignment.
Athletics
: Signed pitcher Bartolo Colon to a one year, $2 million deal.
Blue Jays
: Signed pitcher Francisco Cordero to a one year, $4.5 million deal.
Diamondbacks: Signed pitcher Brad Ziegler to a one year, $1.795 million deal to avoid arbitration.
Giants: Signed pitcher Tim Lincecum to a two year, $40.5 million deal to avoid arbitration.
Indians: Pitcher Roberto Hernandez Heredia (formerly Fausto Carmona) is expected to miss spring training with legal issues.
Rays: Designated outfielder Justin Ruggiano for assignment.
Yankees: Signed catcher Russell Martin to a one year, $7.5 million deal to avoid arbitration.

In former Brewers:

  • High Heat Stats used wins above replacement (rWAR) and Baseball Reference's user-powered "EloRater" to create a list of history's 60 most overrated pitchers. Rollie Fingers, Trevor Hoffman, Jerry Reuss, Jesse Orosco and Jim Lonborg are all on it.
  • Athlon Sports has Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Cecil Cooper and Bud Selig on the Brewer Mount Rushmore.

This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History celebrates Derrick Turnbow's 34th birthday. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the second anniversary of Mark Loretta's retirement.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go take pictures of South Dakota.

Drink up.

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Jerry Hairston Jr’s reaction in the background of this is also exactly how I’d like to remember him.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I was thinking exactly that thought right after I posted this

This reaction, and him hugging the batboy after the NLDS Game 5 walkoff.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

The other bit that I like is that this was immediately after he hit a monster home run too.

In related news, I am already planning a trip to the Twin Cities this year sometime when the Tigers are in town.

I hate Yuni.

by BrewCrewBrian on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree. That said...

I will still boo him on his return to Miller Park (when ever that will be)

by Yomes on Jan 25, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Boo to him for maximizing his income.

by sjlee on Jan 25, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Really hope it actually works that way

As when I get to Miller Park I’ll get a massively huge round of applause for having minimised my income spectacularly over the last few years…

BCB Fantasy Football 2011 winner (Swansons League)
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool

by MrLeam on Jan 25, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he will.

Especially since it’ll be at least a year or two before it happens. But they could play the Tigers on Opening Day this year and he’d still get an ovation.

by mpbMKE on Jan 25, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Year or two?

Pshaw… it’ll be in October.

#wishfulthinking

by sjlee on Jan 25, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Why?

After all he did for this team over the last however many years, why would you boo him?

Because he left for more money? The Brewers were never even close on this. Not even in the same ballpark. I get that 120 mil is more than enough to live on, but leaving 94 mil on the table for, what? Loyalty?

He left because Detroit gave him the best offer. We don’t have that kind of money. Blame the system, don’t blame Prince.

Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.

by The Dayman on Jan 25, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If you want to be made at someone...

… be mad at Fehr, Bud, and a bunch of owners and union leaders. They’re the ones that have stuck baseball with a backwards economic system that made it impossible for the Brewers to keep Fielder for his entire career.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 25, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

"Fielder will make about $75,405 each day for the next nine years."

This does look to be very rough math. The only way I come up with 75405 is if there’s about 315 days in a year. Is there something wrong with my logic – 214,000,000 / (9 * 365) OR 214,000,000, / 3285 OR $65,145/day.

My apologies if I am doing something completely wrong here, but it looks like @cfly needs a calculator or a refresher in arithmetic.

by rschm24 on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 AM CST reply actions  

I'll fix it further.

It’s actually $65100.1 (365.25 days per year).

#nitpick.

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Twitterize me if you dare: @mykenk

by Mykenk on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I was going to post the same thing...

but I figured there was something I wasn’t taking into account and all the smart people would be all over me.

by jcollins205 on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

There still could be.

Bonuses, but they’re hypothetical at this point, so you can’t really count them.

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 25, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

That overrated list is less than worthless

There are so many qualifiers in the description that they could’ve thrown darts to come up with that list. Complete and utter crap. I feel dumber having just read it. I would be outright embarrassed to post anything like that with my name attached. They should be likewise embarrassed and I’ll never be clicking a link to High Heat Stats again.

by ecocd on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

on the other hand...

…i thought the baseball nation illustration comparing other 27 year olds was interesting.

by Capt Science on Jan 25, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

big_jim_and_the_twins

fka "warwick5s"

by DEUCE SLUICE on Jan 25, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

That was Big Mike's Super Subs.

They just decided to clone Jimmy John’s. So, yeah, Big Jim’s is appropriate.

by mpbMKE on Jan 25, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah,

There was a Big Jim’s bar in Platteville not to far from Big Mike’s, thus the confusion. Ahhh, the college days.

by proachinf on Jan 26, 2012 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Big Jim's Beer Palace

I was more of a OT’s guy myself

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Jan 26, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

OTs was always a good place

But when it came to townie bars, I preferred Red’n’Debs. When were you down there.

by proachinf on Jan 26, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Also a fan of Red N' Debs

I graduated Dec06

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Jan 26, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

You were there the same time as I was

I graduated in 07. Andy Miller’s the name

by proachinf on Jan 26, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice detective work

I’ll have to change my user name now, of course, to be able to slander anonymously on the internet.

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Jan 26, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow

This comment didn’t exactly go where I expected it to.

I guess not everyone watches The Office.

by sjlee on Jan 26, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking too

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

sightsmap

while interesting, i am curious as to the methodology. i imagine it’s based on photos that were tagged as being from some place using a particular application and the european dig that application more than americans.

i refuse to believe the german countryside gets as many photos as new york city.

by Capt Science on Jan 25, 2012 12:00 PM CST reply actions  

I also can vouch that

the yellow parts of Scotland corrollate nicely with places like Loch Ness,Loch Lomand,St Andrews and Isle of Skye etc. It is nice to see a yellow patch and know pretty much exactly what they have taken a picture of.

by Saltire on Jan 25, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure it's just tracking the geotag on photos posted to various social media sites

which means almost exclusively cell phone cameras. It might even be exclusively picasa and the like. European cell phone penetration and usage has always outpaced the U.S. If they went back only 5 years, I could see a map like that. Make it 10 years and that would make a lot of sense. You’ll notice Madison, WI along with other college towns in the U.S. have a curiously high concentration of photos.

It makes more sense to look at them as separate geographic regions by cell phone adoption rates. Pretty neat picture by that measure.

by ecocd on Jan 25, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

When you google search sightsmap

It has the following description underneath the link.


Sightseeing popularity heatmaps for the whole world, based on Panoramio photos and FourSquare places.

by Saltire on Jan 25, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Good luck to Fielder

I’m surprised, as many others are, that he ended up with Detroit. I attend UW and I was lucky enough to meet Bud Selig yesterday in a small discussion he held with 20 history majors (as many on this board probably know, he’s become a huge donor to the UW history department and intends to write his memoirs on the Madison campus when he finally retires).

He was on campus to present a lecture on baseball (http://www.supportuw.org/news/selig-distinguished-lecture/) and the news broke about 30 minutes prior to him meeting with myself and other students. When we convened, he told us that he was surprised Detroit signed him. What really struck me was that he also said no other teams even bid on Fielder. Perhaps Detroit should have played hardball with Boras and got him for less?

by 6354201 on Jan 25, 2012 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

Yup

You should give me a call sometime.

by 6354201 on Jan 25, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you the girl who had that sign trying to get Braun to call her?

Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.

by The Dayman on Jan 25, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

Sorry, I’m not even a girl. Though now that I think of it it makes me wonder whether or not Braun would call a male fan with the same sign — I’m guessing no.

by 6354201 on Jan 25, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Only one way to find out...

Perhaps if you advertise yourself as STD-free you might be more likely to get his interest as well.

BCB Fantasy Football 2011 winner (Swansons League)
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool

by MrLeam on Jan 25, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Just because no other teams officially submit an offer to Fielder

doesn’t mean that the negotiations weren’t taking place.

Detroit wanted Fielder (particularly since they lost VMart this season) and has the payroll to afford him. Why would they dink around to try to save a little and risk losing him to another team?

BTW – When it comes to contract negotiations, Selig really doesn’t have much more insight than the rest of us. It’s not like each team has to check-in with the Commissioner’s office when they want to negotiate on a FA… at least unless they’re the Dodgers.

by sjlee on Jan 25, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't say he did...

… but he would be someone in the know about what’s going on, substantially more than us.

by 6354201 on Jan 25, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt it

At least not with regards to specific negotiations that are going on.

by sjlee on Jan 25, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Possibly

but that’s my point. Just because Selig states that no other teams bid on Fielder doesn’t mean that Boras wasn’t negotiating with multiple teams.

by sjlee on Jan 25, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

That's really cool

I tried to sign up but didn’t see the email nearly early enough. I’m sure he’s an interesting guy to talk to.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Jan 25, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely

He was pretty open and direct, and he really enjoyed the session (he fielded something like four more questions despite his assistant notifying him that they had to go). If you’re not graduating this year he might be back in time to hold another session that you’d be able to go to given how much he did enjoy it. Also, the email was sent to those on the UHA mailing list first, so it doesn’t hurt to sign up for that.

by 6354201 on Jan 25, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

See BrINT Perve this is how you do it.

Granted BrINT was traded to the Jets first but it feels somewhat better that Prince didn’t go to the Cubs like BrINT went to the Viqueens. Hooray for lifes little victories!!!

by TexTexington on Jan 25, 2012 3:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Jan 25, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah.

I just enjoy posting pictures of befuddled toddlers.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Jan 25, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Trolls, like Cardinals, are notorious baby eaters.

by mpbMKE on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Braun will not be attending the On Deck event

Can’t blame him.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 3:32 PM CST reply actions  

Uh-oh.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 25, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

TH just tweeted

that Mark A released a statement that Braun isn’t attending due to a “sensitive situation”.

Hopefully it has nothing to do with any upcoming ruling from his appeal.

by sjlee on Jan 25, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

steroid cream.

A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.

by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 25, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

It’s specifically because there has been no ruling yet. Apparently, he (or the Brewers) expect that he’ll be bombarded with questions about his positive test result.

From Mark A:

In working through the logistics of this weekend’s Brewers On Deck event in Milwaukee with Ryan Braun– and knowing how much he enjoys interacting candidly with Brewers fans — we came to the conclusion that this is too sensitive of a time in the confidential process for him to attend this year.

I speak for everyone at the Brewers, including Ryan, in thanking our fans for their understanding and patience.

by sjlee on Jan 25, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Or worse

The decision to uphold the suspension will be announced before the event.

by sjlee on Jan 25, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it is mainly because

near every fan will want Braun to say something in the subject and there is nothing he can say until the appeal decision is made.

by Saltire on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oops, I fanshat

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 25, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

BCB Pseudo-Fantasy League

Anyone interested in doing a pseud-fantasy league based on fWAR? I was thinking 25-man roster, final standings based on team fWAR, no real lineup changes due to the nature of fWAR (if a player gets injured, assume a replacement level fill-in from the minors for 0.0 fWAR).

It’s more a draft and see who wins at the end of the year thing. I’m sure I’m not the only one who likes drafting a team but always runs out of steam re: weekly lineups, etc. Anybody else interested?

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 6:26 PM CST reply actions  

I might be up for it

Maybe add a few more categories that could broaden things out but keep the general laid-back-ness the same? Like categories for oWAR, total UZR, baserunning value?

by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 25, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

So like roto with the component parts of fWAR?

I’m open to discussion for whatever people want to do, I was just thinking straight-up total fWAR to sort of approximate real standings (though the bench would probably play too much for the final fWAR totals to match reality).

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking

Just something so that you would a little more drafting strategy than “guys who would be the most valuable” – you’d have to draft for defense, speed, offense (maybe separate categories for power and on-base skills), find value, and build a well-rounded team.

But I like the core idea of going with counting stats that are saber-oriented and actually meaningful, not the traditional junk like RBIs, SBs, wins, and runs.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 25, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I see what you mean

Though I think when you start breaking it into categories like that, certain abilities can get overvalued (e.g. power-hitters in normal fantasy). If it’s just straight fWAR, then someone could strategize by drafting all speedy/good-defense versus another team of all power/no-defense, and we could let the course of the season determine which would be a better “real life” team.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Would we only be able to pseudo-mock

Or mock for real when someone brings it up in a gamethread?

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Jan 25, 2012 7:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Double-mock, possibly.

If people start rooting for difficult defensive plays or above-average baserunning.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking as “realistic” as possible, so every a player at every position (even relievers, though maybe 5-7 SP would be ok?). Since there’s no add/drop I guess position eligibility would have to be based on 2011 games played.

My idea was basically if you were actually drafting a real 25-man roster to play the whole season (assuming any injuries are filled from a replacement level farm system), who can do the best.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting!

That could be kind of cool too. Then we could just collapse it to 8-9 position “players” and not have to worry about the bench getting an unrealistic amount of playing time.

Though maybe people prefer drafting actual players?

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure Fangraphs used to keep a fWAR-by-position total for each team, but now it looks like they’re just aggregating players who played at each position even if most of their games were elsewhere. Maybe I am just imaging that they used to do that.

You can still get offensive totals divided by position at Baseball Reference, but not rWAR I don’t think.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 26, 2012 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

MLB's Top 100 Prospects list is out

#49, Wily Peralta
#97, Jed Bradley

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry if I missed this, from Aoki's Japanese press conference a few days ago, but he's already an expert on Milwaukee:
Are you studying up on Milwaukee?

Beer, right? Munich, Sapporo, Milwaukee. Do they have all you can drink Miller beer at Miller Park? There is also Harley Davidson and Lake Michigan.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Sorry for spamming this thread

According to Ken Rosenthal:

[Kosuke Fukudome] remains a free agent, and the Brewers showed interest in him before paying a combined $4.75 million for Japanese outfielder Norichika Aoiki – a $2.5 million posting fee and a two-year, $2.25 million contract.

I’m guessing that was the mystery OF they were negotiating with as a backup to Aoki?

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 PM CST reply actions  

There's also a rumor that the Brewers are interested in Oswalt.

I’m guessing maybe we showed interest before K-Rod accepted arby, and that’s where the rumor came from.

by tcyoung on Jan 25, 2012 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

We can sign him after that K-Rod/Kendry Morales trade.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

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