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by Kyle Lobner on Feb 15, 2012 10:06 AM CST
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We're three days away from pitchers and catchers reporting to Maryvale, and the Brewers find themselves carrying an extra $375,000 in their pockets this morning. The team won their arbitration case with Jose Veras yesterday and will pay him $2 million in 2012 instead of the $2.375 million he requested (FanShot). This is kind of an awkward way to start the team's relationship with a new player, but Veras' agent says there are no hard feelings.
This will be an interesting spring training for a lot of Brewers for a variety of reasons, but eight players have more on the line than most. MLB Trade Rumors notes that Frankie De La Cruz, Tim Dillard, Mat Gamel, George Kottaras, Kameron Loe, Chris Narveson, Manny Parra and Jose Veras are out of options and will have to be exposed to waivers if they don't make the Opening Day roster. For the last five guys on that list it likely won't be an issue, of course.
Mat Gamel, by the way, is leaving tomorrow morning and driving from Florida to Arizona with his wife and two small children.
Adam Foster of Project Prospect is in the middle of an extended project to rank pitchers' arsenals and says Yovani Gallardo has one of the game's top five curveballs, and will likely have a top five fastball too. If that's the case, maybe his missing changeup won't be a big deal.
We've long known that Alex Gonzalez isn't expected to be much of an offensive improvement over Yuniesky Betancourt, but this number is still a little disappointing: David Golebiewski of Baseball Analytics notes that the Brewers' new shortstop posted a .140 wOBA on pitches outside the zone in 2011, the third worst mark in all of baseball. Of course, even if Gonzalez provides nothing at the plate his defensive value will make him worth keeping around.
The Brewers made a couple of minor transactions yesterday, signing infielder Jeff Bianchi and BCB Community #1 prospect Wily Peralta to 2012 contracts. Both players have less than three years of MLB service time and will likely make near the league minimum for any time spent in the majors this season.
I can't decide if this is a weird statistical quirk or a sign of a problem, but it's interesting either way: Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker notes that Brewer pitchers fared much worse in 2011 than one would have expected against the #8 hitters in opposing lineups. He also notes that the intentional walk was very rarely used there.
In the minors: The Brewer Nation continued their "Brewers By the (Jersey) Numbers" series with a profile of Zelous Wheeler.
Around baseball:
Indians: Designated pitcher Kelvin De La Cruz for assignment.
Mariners: Catcher Chris Gimenez has refused an outright assignment to the minors and is now a free agent.
Orioles: Signed outfielder Adam Jones to a one year, $6.15 million deal to avoid arbitration.
Rays: Signed manager Joe Maddon to a three year contract extension through 2015 and signed outfielder Jeff Salazar to a minor league deal.
Royals: Exercised the club option on manager Ned Yost's contract for 2013.
White Sox: Signed outfielder Kosuke Fukudome to a one year, $1 million deal with a club option for 2013.
When the 2012 season wraps up it will be the end of an era for the Astros in more ways than one: Hall of Fame broadcaster Milo Hamilton, who has been calling games on the radio for 51 years and been with the Astros since 1985, plans to retire following the team's final National League season.
Today in former Brewers: Longtime Brewer farmhand Sam Narron has decided to retire and take a job as a minor league pitching coach for the Nationals.
My favorite sabermetric note of the day comes via Carson Cistulli of FanGraphs, who mapped out pitchers' ground ball percentage against their height and found nearly no correlation. Scouts will have to find another reason to discredit all sub-six foot pitchers in one fell swoop.
This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History celebrates early Brewer Rick Auerbach's 62nd birthday. Today is also Alex Gonzalez's 35th birthday, and Plunk Everyone notes that he's the all time HBP leader among February 15th-born major leaguers with 76.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to see if this donut is still available.
Drink up.
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If the start of baseball is equivalent to Easter
does that make this Good Friday?
Ugh, Shortstop
I think it's more like Christmas
You unwrap your shiny new toy, play with it for a while, and hope it doesn’t break.
Once in a while, it’s a toy that you’re still playing with 6-7 months later. But sometimes it breaks, or it wasn’t what you were hoping for, and it’s hard to maintain interest. So you start looking forward to next Christmas, and hoping that the next toy will be better.
And unfortunately, the spoiled rich kids usually seem to get better toys than you.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
by Brew Angel on Feb 15, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No
It would make it Holy/Maundy Thursday… since we’re three days away. Good Friday is two days from Easter.
If not, you can have this donut.
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by Yar Nivek on Feb 15, 2012 10:33 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Regarding options and the bullpen
If the Brewers keep a 12-man pitching staff, the bullpen will have Axford, K-Rod, Loe, Veras, Estrada, and almost certainly Parra.
That leaves 1 spot for Braddock and two out-of-options players – Dillard and De La Cruz. (I’m considering Kintzler, DiFelice, and McClendon pretty safe bets for Nashville, barring injuries.)
So the Brewers either keep Braddock and expose Dillard and FDLC to waivers, or they send Braddock down so they can keep either Dillard or FDLC. Would Dillard or FDLC get claimed? I kind of doubt it at this point, though there are a few teams that might be that hard up for bullpen help.
I've wondered about this, too
I think Dillard is likely to be exposed to waivers. They’ve never invested in him much, I don’t see why they would now. I could see them sending down Braddock for a bit and keeping FDLC on the major league roster, though. It goes without saying that it kind of depends how each of them does in spring training.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Feb 15, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Both Dillard and FDLC would be long shots to get claimed.
Especially since it’ll be the time of year when no one really has roster space available.
With that said, by Opening Day it’ll have been ten months since Braddock pitched in a game at any level. If the team needs an Opening Day roster spot, they could find it by giving him a month in the minors to get back into a rhythm.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 15, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I bet FDLC would get claimed
Had a good year in AAA last year and in his brief MLB stint, and it seems like people like his stuff (as opposed to Dillard who is just a ROOGY using deception).
Could be a good guy for a team short on pitching depth to put in the bullpen and make the occasional spot start. I would have advocated picking him up for the 2009 or 2010 Brewers.
Get a ife broseph
Also, unless Baseball America missed it, Mark DiFelice is still a minor league free agent.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 15, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think they are worried about losing either Dillard or De La Cruz
and would prefer to have Braddock available.
Starting rotation is set, outfield is set, infield is more or less set and bullpen is more or less set
So what about the backup infielders? Assuming a starting infield of Gamel, Weeks, Gonzalez and Ramirez, who would be most likely to win the 2 backup spots from the likes of Taylor Green, Brooks Conrad, Cesar Izturis, Travis Ishikawa and Edwin Maysonet (and hopefully I didn’t miss anyone else)?
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Feb 15, 2012 10:55 AM CST reply actions
Interesting. I'm assuming Braun-Gomez-Morgan-Hart-Aoki and if Braun is suspended, either Schafer or Gindl for a bit
Do you think Brock Kjeldgaard is a spoiler? Or that Schafer or Gindl have more of a longterm shot?
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Feb 15, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
You left out Corey Patterson
Given Roenicke’s penchant for terrible veterans that can pretend to play outfield, I would give a >0% chance that Patterson gets the call as the “sixth” outfielder if Braun isn’t allowed to play.
That will only happen if he's added to the 25-man roster
and that will only happen if DM is on-board with that as well.
Considering that he’s not even invited to ST, I doubt that we’ll see him anytime soon (if at all).
Conrad and Green will be the biggest battle in camp.
Also, Scafer and Gindl could be a good battle if Braun is suspended.
Agreed.
I wonder if Conrad might make the roster because it gives the Brewers more options against lefties with Braun out. I could see the team using Conrad as its main RH bench bat for the first 50 games, then cutting him loose and bringing Green up when Braun gets back.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 15, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
really?
i figured green for aaa, just so he can play regularly until they know he’s not a starter or a spot (gamel or injury) opens up for him.
by Capt Science on Feb 15, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, let's say they keep Izturis...
Who do they bump off the 40-man? Bianchi’s probably a good bet. Maybe Brock? Would they consider dropping a pitcher off the 40-man for an infielder?
They'll find somebody
Seems like we have these discussions every time someone has to be dropped and it never, ever matters who the guy is that is dropped.
Get a ife broseph
Ha, yeah sorry, didn't mean to be dismissive
It seems like in this situation it will be: 1) someone we mentioned but didn’t expect 2) won’t matter at all and 3) someone will claim this shows Melvin is an idiot
Get a ife broseph
It's like Clue
Pick a player, pick a date/location, and pick a reason.
“De La Cruz, in Maryvale, because Melvin’s an idiot!”
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
by Brew Angel on Feb 15, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
8th Spot
I felt all season like the Brewers struggled more than they should have against the 8th spot, but I dismissed it as an unfounded prejudice, like I was just noticing it more than I otherwise would if I wasn’t thinking about it. Funny that it was actually true.
Eight-spot hitters OPS's against Brewers starting pitchers in 2011
Greinke: .674
Gallardo: .620
Marcum: .601
Wolf: .822
Chris Narveson: .855
by Noah Jarosh on Feb 15, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Select Brewers bullpen pitchers, same thing:
Axford: .655
Loe: .961
K-Rod: .607
Hawkins: .545
Saito: .200
Estrada: 1.300
Mitre: .350
Dillard: 1.182
Braddock: 1.000
The bullpen guys don’t exactly have a huge sample size, though. Braddock, for instance, faced a teams eighth hitter six times.
by Noah Jarosh on Feb 15, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
This tells me that Sergio has a future as a 8oogy
That’s “8-spot one out guy.”
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
Brewers '30 Clubs in 30 Days' episode airs 3/19 per McCalvy
I wonder if they’re taping a Braun episode and a no-Braun episode.
Are you kidding?
Adam Foster of Project Prospect is in the middle of an extended project to rank pitchers’ arsenals and says Yovani Gallardo has one of the game’s top five curveballs, and will likely have a top five fastball too. If that’s the case, maybe his missing changeup won’t be a big deal.
Really? Without a changeup and relying on a curvball, the odds of blowing out the elbow rise dramatically. The best long lived pitchers have a very live fastball (2 and/or 4 seamer) and an offspeed pitch that is usually a variant of a change up. Curve/Slider ruin the elbow…
MLB pitchers who rely on curve/slider hurt their elbows more?
Is this really a fact? I had never heard that one before.
Get a ife broseph
Regardless, I'm not sure what he's supposed to do
He doesn’t have a good changeup, and his pitches are what they are at this point.
Get a ife broseph
Depends on mechanics.
But the slider is more of a “high impact” pitch, in terms of stress on the arm, particularly the elbow, because of how the pitch is held and released. Curveballs vary, depending on the type thrown. Changeups are usually less-impactful pitches to throw, but if you don’t throw a good one then you probably don’t have good mechanics for it, either. Some changeups, though, like the splitter or, worse, the old forkball, are really bad for your elbow if you throw too many.
That's what I was thinking
I’m pretty sure there have been other MLB pitchers who had long, relatively healthy careers despite not having a change up. I’m not positive about this, but I think Carlton and Seaver are a couple of examples.
There's been a bunch of research done on youth pitchers and curveballs
I’ve been reading up on it voraciously as the Braunophile starts moving into youth pitching. Most of the recent academic/medical stuff I’ve read indicates that it’s more the total number of pitches that creates arm issues, rather than the type of pitches. Which is why youth leagues have implemented very strict pitch counts over the past decade. It’s true that certain pitches (e.g. hard sliders, screwballs, forkballs) create more torsion on the elbow, but they key driver seems to be sound mechanics, rather than pitch type. A kid that throws a mechanically-unsound fastball is likely to have more problems than a kid that throws a mechanically-sound curve or changeup. (And honestly, most kids probably can’t throw a mechanically sound slider, screwball, or forkball anyway.)
How applicable this is to YoGa’s case, I can’t say. But as you point out, if his mechanics are good, that reduces his risk no matter what his secondary pitches are.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
Yeah, I was aware of the youth stuff
Pretty scary to read about kids needing Tommy John surgery.
I’d never really heard of MLB pitchers who had reached the majors with little to no injury history struggling with elbow injuries later in their career because they didn’t throw a changeup.
Get a ife broseph
This.
The key really is mechanics and usage. Gallardo has never shown any tendency toward elbow or shoulder injuries, despite his lack of changeup.
And Gallardo will never want or need more than 10% of his pitches to be a changeup
I don’t see how replacing 1 out of 20 pitches with a changeup (he’s around 5% now, I think) is going to make a big difference given that even a changeup puts stress on his elbow.
Not saying it would.
But if he throws a bad changeup that gets whacked or misses his spots, what’s the point? The original post said he’s going to get hurt because he doesn’t throw a changeup. I don’t think that’s true.
Sam Narron
His only MLB strikeout? Former Brewer Damian Miller (who Narron got out twice in his 2.2 innings).
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
Packers already denounced Scott Walker.
Wish Brewers would do the same. SW is a Governor only Teabaggin Tony LaRussa would love.
by MooseHaas on Feb 15, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the packers' *players-not front office* already denounced Scott Walker
FTFY
I hate it when sports franchises get political. I didn’t want anyone else to wonder if the team itself was making a political statement, or if it was the independent citizens who happen to play for the Packers.
Good luck trying to find a sports owner anywhere who doesn't donate to some political campaign or cause
Get a ife broseph
There's a difference between the owner or a player, a private citizen, supporting their political causes
and the team itself coming out and saying “Hi, as an organization, we the Milwaukee Brewers support Cookie Monster for Surgeon General.”
I don’t want to start a political argument, so I’ll stop at this. In my mind, the owner can contribute to whomever out of the earnings that are rightfully his and the players can say whatever they want in public with the media influence they’ve garnered for themselves. Just don’t have someone giving a campaign speech at halftime.
The Brewers owners (and all MLB owners) give money to the MLB Political Action Committee
Who then uses their funds to support candidates and causes.
Its all public knowledge, and kind of fascinating.
Get a ife broseph
And, FWIW, Attanasio is a bigtime Dem-backer
Donated 44k to Dems in ’08, 19K in 2010 (including Feingold) plus another 10k to the MLB PAC.
But I’m not suggesting there’s any correlation between Mark A’s political leanings and the fact that he’s one of the best / smartest owners in baseball, and an all-around good guy. I would never do that.
by MooseHaas on Feb 15, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting.
Most businesses try to work both sides of the fence. Attanasio is no different until lately. He gave equal amounts to Romney and Hillary during the primaries in ‘07. But from ’08 til now, he’s given solely to Dems. During the ’04 election, he spent $27,000 on Republicans, and $14,000 on Democrats.
I wonder if he’s had an ideological change, or if there’s a certain issue that he cares about more than others.
Could just be gaming the system on both sides
Not to be cynical, but it’s what I would do if I owned a large corporation.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
What do you mean by gaming the system?
I think most businesses donate to both sides in order to not burn bridges while still positioning themselves.
I guess what is "positioning themselves" to some
is “gaming the system” to me. Not blaming him, just saying I personally don’t like that that’s the way we do things.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
I agree 100% with you
But that’s all I’m going to say about politics.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 15, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Why would the team make a public statement about politics one way or the other?
Just seems like a good way to alienate half of your fanbase.
"The Milwaukee Brewers would like to show their support for the 21st Amendment."
This would not alienate half their fanbase.
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by Yar Nivek on Feb 15, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Making a political statement in support of a certain political party would most certainly rub those who align with another party the wrong way.
How is that more advantageous than saying nothing at all?
"The Milwaukee Brewers support booze"
is a sentiment 99% of their fans would support.
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To clarify
It was the players who made the statement, not the team (which would encompass the entire organization).
Counsell also made a public statement in support of collective bargaining rights in WI last year.
Eh, he just stole $25.6M of foreclosure funds for the state budget
Bulk of which would have gone to people hurting in the Milwaukee area. I don’t think you’d alienate your base at this point.
It is possible
That brewers fans aren’t a bunch of perpetually aggrieved crying children with no concept of responsibilities and instead believe in living with the consequences of their own choices. Tomato/tahmahto.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Feb 15, 2012 5:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Woah, I know Scott Walker is one of the biggest assholes on the entire planet and quite possibly in the entire universe, but no need to call him a a crying child!
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
by SRB on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
LOLLERSKATES~!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."
~RRR
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 15, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No dude, I think it's roflskates
And lollercopter.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Feb 15, 2012 9:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also, no politics
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Feb 15, 2012 5:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Unless you are hating on Hungarians.
Lousy Hungarians.
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by Yar Nivek on Feb 15, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But homoerotic slurs are ok?
Tough to keep up with all of the exceptions to the rules
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Feb 15, 2012 8:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Tough to find a homoerotic slur on this page
First of all, the word I think you’re trying to use is homophobic. It’s only homoerotic if you’re aroused by the idea of Tony LaRussa Teabagging someone. (Which is OK — I am not here to judge.)
And if you did indeed take umbrage to “Teabaggin,” from a comment up top, you should note that Teabagging is an equal-opportunity experience — both men and women can be Teabagged. Tony LaRussa, a known supporter of the Tea Party, could theoretically Teabag anyone from Albert Pujols to Alberta Darling.
Accuse someone I dont know
of bigotry? That would be a fairly classless move on my part. Would almost warrant a “Don be a dick” or some such.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Feb 15, 2012 9:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Uh
1. I make comment about “people hurting in the Milwaukee area” from foreclosures. Milwaukee County leads the state in foreclosures by a massive margin. I think we’re all well aware of the demographics of Milwaukee County as they compare to the rest of the state. As of 2010 it was 46 percent non-white, as opposed to 17 percent across the state. And of the state’s 2010 poverty figures, 32 percent of non-whites are below the poverty line compared to 11 percent of whites. It doesn’t take a genius to extrapolate who got hit hardest by foreclosures.
2. You call those people:
a bunch of perpetually aggrieved crying children with no concept of responsibilities
This is code language straight out of the Wisconsin conservative handbook for trashing minorities in Milwaukee, who conveniently get blamed for all the state’s problems. But I’m SURE you weren’t using it in that way, and this was a total coincidence.
Usually this comment would be made
before posting about politics. Just saying.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
I have no idea
how I resisted jumping into this argument with both feet. Probably the mental picture I have of Kyle’s anguish as he sees the turn this thread has taken.
Yeah I'm with you
I’m all for talking about politics with people you know, in person, but anonymously on the internet is just asking for chaos.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
Even if they did...
The Packers are immune. There literally is no position they could take on anything that would alienate that fanbase. They could announce that they’ve developed a nuclear weapon and are holding the city of New York hostage for the rights to Jason Pierre-Paul and no one would blink.
The notion of an MLB player being anti-union as they rake in their six-to-seven-figure salary for playing a game is hilarious.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
$60/day (source)… I think Alex Rodriguez makes $60,000/day
The MLBPA is one of the most effective unions in the country though. I doubt there is a union in any other profession that has done more for its members in terms of absolute $ value over the last 40 years or so. So if any MLB player is opposed to collective bargaining, I’m sure the teams would love to hire them back at the $10,000/year baseball players used to make in the 1960s.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
I think you have to be on the 40-man to be in MLBPA
Once you make it to the majors the benefits are amazing though. I think you get health care coverage for life and a ridiculous pension (I think 10+ years service time the pension is like $200k/year…)
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
(Which is why I wish I was gritty and could be a good defensive catcher)
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Confused
Kinda confused why it wasn’t a Bucks jersey considering they are actually in season and Obama is known to be a basketball fan. I don’t follow the NBA or the Bucks, and I understand they aren’t very good, but still. Two thoughts on this:
1. “Obama likes basketball but I hate him so pick up a Brewer jersey”
2. “I refuse to support Herb Kohl in any way, so skip the Bucks jersey”
Either way – If the state is so broke I would think ridiculous gift giving between politicians would be a good place to start….
by Whiffleball Tony on Feb 15, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Also
Walker has been against giving any new arena funding to the Bucks or extending the MP sales tax to help pay for it. He seems more than content to let the NBA die in Milwaukee.
Kyle would also be content with that.
And many others, I have no doubt.
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There's a difference between
- not caring about the Bucks
and
- playing an active role in their demise and ultimate departure.
Downtown MKE is hurting as it is. I don’t want to see what happens when it becomes a town with only one big-league team, which plays out by the interstate. The city’s whole identity takes a hit when it loses a franchise. And as much as I love the Brewers, the Bucks have more history of success in this city. It would be a shame to just cast them off.
Not really
What would keep the Bucks here would be people going to the games. Not caring about the Bucks means not buying tickets, which is going to lead to their demise and departure.
I agree that the city would take a hit if the Bucks leave, but it certainly wouldn’t be as big of a hit as if the Brewers had left. I also don’t see a new arena in the downtown area being any more successful because those of us out in the burbs hate going downtown regardless of whats there. After all, all the money is in the suburbs.
by Whiffleball Tony on Feb 16, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't it usually pretty common practice to put a presidential Number on the jersey?
For example, Obama is the 44th president, so he’d get a #44 jersey.
Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.
They're having a caption contest for this over on Big League Stew
Some of my faves:
Mr. President, please accept this jersey as a reminder of where the cubs will NOT finish this year.
Walker: I’ll get you on the team if you help me get rid of the MLBPA’s collective bargaining
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