BCB Pseudofantasy League - Draft Order + Rules
by SRB on Feb 16, 2012 8:30 PM CST
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!!!*** The draft will be SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 19 at 2:00 CST ***!!!
Draft Order
I went down the list of interested parties and used random.org to generate a number between 1 and 1000 for each person, and then used these numbers to create the draft order from low to high. The random draft order is:
1) Hyatt (25)
2) brewcrewshrew (88)
3) Michael M (93)
4) -JP- (112)
5) TwoShoesMcGoze (157)
6) SRB (176)
7) Mr Leam (202)
8) Brewer 1 Fan (235)
9) ecocd (424)
10) Mr McGehee (446)
11) Rendezvous (498)
12) NoahJ (540)
13) Saltire (574)
14) masondlo (667)
15) Tepo6688 (788)
16) Cheesecandcorn (858)
17) bschles (861)
18) Jordan M (873)
We will be doing a snake draft, so for example, Hyatt will pick #1 (1-1) and #36 (2-18) and Jordan M will pick #18 (1-18) and #19 (2-1), etc.
Draft Room
The draft will be this Sunday (February 19) at 2:00 pm CST! We will see how far we get but if everything takes too long we can always break the draft (26-rounds) into multiple days, since we have so much time left until the season starts. The plan is to conduct the draft in a Google Doc spreadsheet; on the left will be a running draft board with each pick, on the right is a chat window. When it is your turn to pick, list your pick in all caps (e.g. "ANDREW MCCUTCHEN") in the chat and it will be updated on the draft board and on the roster spreadsheet as quickly as possible.
There are three spreadsheets: Draft Board Rounds #1-12, Draft Board Rounds #13-26, and Rosters. The rosters spreadsheet lists all 18 teams and the required/filled positions for each.
I think the draft time limit (relatively informal) will be one minute for each pick, but of course please try to be as fast as possible given the size of the league/rosters.
Links
Rosters - Draft Board #1-12 - Draft Board #13-26
RULES
Scoring
Total team fWAR (available at Fangraphs.com) as calculated at the end of the regular season.
Roster & Eligibility
It is a 26-man roster: 25 active players and 1 reserve/prospect player. Position eligibility is based on either 2011 games played or 2012 games played as calculated at the end of the season, and the requirement is >50% of games played (appearances, not games started) to qualify at the position. Pitcher eligibility is also >50% of games, so G vs. GS (e.g. 20 G/14 GS = SP, 45 G/12 GS = RP). So, for example, if you draft Miguel Cabrera he is definitely eligible at 1B (152/159 games played there in 2011), but if you are using him to fill your 3B position, you are taking a slight gamble that he will play 50% of his games at 3B in 2012. Positions are as follows:
C - 1B (1B/DH) - 2B - SS - 3B - LF - CF - RF (starting lineup)
C - IF (1B/DH/2B/SS/3B) - IF (1B/DH/2B/SS/3B) - OF - OF (bench)
SP - SP - SP - SP - SP (starting rotation)
P (RP/SP) - RP - RP - RP - RP - RP - RP (bullpen)
Players can qualify at 1B if they have >50% of their games at 1B or DH. So, for example, Michael Young played 69 games at DH and 36 games at 1B in 2011, and thus he qualifies for 1B (105/159 games at 1B or DH)
Players who do not qualify for LF, CF, or RF are eligible at any outfield position. So, for example, Carlos Gonzalez played 61 games at LF, 3B games at RF, 30 games at CF in 2011, and thus qualifies for LF, CF, or RF.
Players who do not qualify for any starting position must be used on the bench in either the IF or OF slots.
If your players aren't eligible to fill a 25-man roster at the end of the season (e.g. you have two 1B but zero 3B), then you get 0.0 fWAR for the unfilled position and the player with the most fWAR at the overfilled position.
Cheeseandcorn Spreadsheet Listing Eligibility
You can also determine eligibility and appearance totals from Baseball Reference.
Bench
Each team has a five-man bench (C - IF - IF - OF - OF), but you must fill your starting lineup and starting rotation before you can draft any players for your bench. Thus, the earliest you can draft a bench player will be round 14. The multipurpose P slot and the bullpen can be drafted at any time.
Reserve/Prospect
Each team drafts one reserve/prospect player. This player can play any position and normal eligibility rules apply. This player can be drafted at any time (you can draft your reserve first overall if you want...) At any point in the season, you make permanently cut a player who for any reason is not on the 25-man roster (e.g. DL, minors, retired, etc.) and directly replace him by permanently calling up the reserve/prospect. Note that normal eligibility rules apply though:
If your prospect is Eric Hosmer (1B eligible) and Albert Pujols gets suspended for steroids in the middle of the season, you can cut Pujols and call up Hosmer to fill the 1B slot. If your prospect is Eric Hosmer (1B eligible) and Troy Tulowitzki gets kidnapped by an estranged stalker from somewhere outside Milwaukee (name withheld), you can't call up Hosmer because he plays a different position. However, if your bench IF is Jerry Hairston Jr. and he retires, you can call up Hosmer even though JHJ is not a 1B (because they both qualify for the bench IF position)
When you promote your reserve/prospect, you must announce via the Brew Crew Ball Frosty Mug comments the transaction you are making (who is cut, who is promoted) and the player's fWAR at the time of the move (e.g. "Cutting Albert Pujols (-0.9 fWAR), promoting Eric Hosmer (+1.2 fWAR)) and that will be taken into account when totaling the end of the year team fWAR.
Draft Day Absenteeism
If anyone is absent on draft day or fails to make their pick within one minute, they will be assigned the best player available from a list of the Houston Astros by 2011 fWAR.
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One random note from the eligibility list
Carlos Lee is the only regular player who gained eligibility at multiple positions last year (1B and LF).
I have a feeling he's going off the board in the first round!
(Assuming somebody doesn’t show up)
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
So, say our second baseman gets hurt.
Our prospect isn’t a second baseman, and none of our bench players are eligible at 2B. Are we just screwed in that case? Or can we cut our prospect and sign a second baseman?
You're sort of screwed
But isn’t that more realistic? You get a 0.0 fWAR replacement from the farm, and injuries are already taken into account in the fWAR coming from our bench players. That’s one reason to bump down the value of someone like Ian Kinsler or Rickie Weeks, just like a team would do in real life.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
YAY RANDOM CHANCE!!!
SUCK IT ALL YOU 2-18 PEOPLE!!!
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Surprise move: Cesar Izturis
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
going with a slightly less injury risk
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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and a position with less depth
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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That's fine
Enjoy your second round pick at number 36…
BCB Fantasy Football 2011 winner (Swansons League)
Also-ran (loser!) in every other BCB Fantasy competition
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
Unfortunately, I now have a funeral to attend to this Sunday afternoon/evening.
I’ll do my best to make as many selections as I can, but no guarantees.
"We’re gonna gather our nuts, and find out what the squirrels… we’ll be right back." - Brian Anderson
Also, I just looked at the Astros' depth chart.
What is this I don’t even.
"We’re gonna gather our nuts, and find out what the squirrels… we’ll be right back." - Brian Anderson
If you make selections during the funeral service itself
You either automatically win or automatically lose. I’m still trying to figure out which.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 17, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
FANTASY BASEBALL MORE IMPORTANT THAN FUNERAL
(No, that’s fine, feel no obligation to stay very long. If you want you can give us a manageable criteria to go by and we can make any picks you miss for you. The Astros punishment is more for people who Kitten Mittons it by going awol.)
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
by SRB on Feb 17, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Kittens Mittonsing it still gets a rec, but “The Astros punishment” is equally memeworthy…
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Also-ran (loser!) in every other BCB Fantasy competition
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So did we ever determine what happens to the OF-only qualifiers from 2011 (e.g. Gonzalez and Jay)
Are they going to count as CFs or just OFs?
If they're in the OF-only they count in any outfield position
Players who do not qualify for LF, CF, or RF are eligible at any outfield position. So, for example, Carlos Gonzalez played 61 games at LF, 3B games at RF, 30 games at CF in 2011, and thus qualifies for LF, CF, or RF.
There isn’t a similar clause for the IF-only qualifiers. Where can IF-only players go? Michael Young, for instance, is IF-only, but can I draft him early as my 3B?
Oh, OK
Reading comprehension fail on my part.
As I understand it, IF-only players can only be bench players. But in the previous thread, SRB counted Michael Young as a 1B since he played more than half his games at 1B and DH combined, and DHs count as 1Bs.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 17, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, we’re basically combining 1B/DH so as long as they have >50% at 1B or DH, they qualify at 1B. If a player is just IF eligible (e.g. Jerry Hairston Jr) then you can only have him on your bench. The league isn’t deep enough that anyone needs to have real-life utility guys in their starting slots though.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Okay, I get that, but Michael Young is the first IF player listed
Cheeseandcorn, don’t take that as a criticism. You did a great job putting it together for us. He’s the only player out of place I’ve found.
No worries
SRB just clarified that after the spreadsheet was made, and I never got around to making the change. It’s fixed now, though.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 18, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Cheeseandcorn's spreadsheet is accurate
We just changed the rule to fix the issue after seeing the same thing you did.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Also!
Just a reminder that Cheeseandcorn’s spreadsheet only covers eligibility based on 2011 games played. You could draft Miguel Cabrera as your 3B if you gamble that he’ll start >50% of his 2012 games there, or a rookie like Norichika Aoki who won’t be listed.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Any draft pick trading allowed (assuming everything balances in the end)?
I probably wouldn’t do it, but I always like picking last for two reasons:
1 – I like to pick two players in a row each time.
2 – By picking at the end of the first/beginning of the second round, I usually get more value with my first two picks.
(By balance, I mean trading the same number of picks away that I am receiving in return, i.e. 1 for 1, 2 for 2, 3 for 3, etc.)
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I think it would be much simplier to not have individual pick trading
But if you and somebody else want to switch draft slots (i.e. for the whole draft) that’s fine with me, and doubt anyone else would object.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
I would consider that...
…but I’ll have to see what the dropoff would be between the two picks, and would likely only do it for the #18 pick.
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You should be able to load it just by clicking the link, but you’ll be Anonymous. There must be somewhere that asks you to sign in or register, and then you can just make an account using your normal e-mail (e.g. bob@yahoo.com) and without filling out any real information.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Is the chat going to be some kind of Google Messenger conference?
It looks like http://www.online-stopwatch.com/ is an option for a timer. Maybe we rotate timers so one person isn’t responsible for it throughout the draft. Give a 15 second warning in chat, and then a time-up buzzer in chat.
Once multiple people are viewing the spreadsheet a little chat window will be available (I think you have to click something to expand it, but it should be pretty obvious)
If somebody wants to handle keeping time that would be fantastic! During the draft I’ll try and update the spreadsheet/rosters with each pick as quickly as possible.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Quick question
What will be the cutoff time for the draft tomorrow?
By my estimate, if there are no delays, the draft would take about 8 hours (finishing around 10 PM). Are we going to plow straight through that, or are we going to cut that down and divide the draft into two parts? Or, will that be a decision made tomorrow during the draft?
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BTW, that estimate is assuming everyone takes a full minute to make their pick.
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I think we can see how it goes tomorrow, but it does seem likely that it will have to be broken up
We’re certainly not going to sit there for 8 hours! :)
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Last minute rule change
I will ask again in the chat before the draft, but is anyone else in favor of replacing the six RP slots with one BULLPEN slot, which is the team total reliever fWAR at the end of the season? Kind of like in fantasy football where you draft a defense – so, for example, if I had drafted the Braves Bullpen last year, I would have gotten +6.9 fWAR at the end of the year. So the pitching staff would be: SP – SP – SP – SP – SP – P – PEN
This would cut down on the time of the draft and also, I’m pretty dedicated, but even I would start to drag when we’re picking fifth RPs.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Although that would sort of make some bullpens first round picks
Maybe we have it so when you pick a bullpen is takes two turns (i.e. you skip your next pick)?
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
While I like the idea of dropping 4 rounds, I'm not a fan of this.
Year-to-year correlation of player fWAR, overall, is about 0.53 – not strong, but certainly there
Year-to-Year correlation of reliever fWAR overall is about 0.47
Year-to-Year correlation of team bullpen fWAR is around 0.25 – practically nothing
It would take an hour just to compile possible bullpen rosters for each team to get a read on who might be good or bad this year. The Red Sox bullpen in 2010 was 1.1 fWAR and in 2011 was 7.7 fWAR.
Good point, though if you take out the closer for each bullpen, the variation from best to worst is probably less then 4 fWAR. Maybe it’s a bit of a crapshoot (though I feel like I could guess what bullpens will be good this year) but won’t picking individual 4th/5th/6th relievers be a bit of a crapshoot too?
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
We could always just make it 2 or 3 RP
Sorting by 3-year average fWAR for eligible relievers, the 90th reliever (presumably one of the last picks) was 0.37 fWAR. The 36th reliever (Luke Gregerson) was 1.1 fWAR.
If it’s 2 RP, then you get 22 rounds which actually completes the snake. It would be essentially drafting a Set-up man and a Closer.
That would also work, though I feel like we could each use the same method (looking at top 2 RP) to estimate total bullpen strength. e.g. I know the Brewers Bullpen is going to be pretty good (Axford/K-Rod) and the Atlanta Bullpen (Kimbrel/Venters), even though I couldn’t name all 6 Atlanta RP
It’s a bit of luck/guesswork, but then again aren’t real bullpens?
We can do a vote to see what method people prefer before the draft, unless anybody is really strongly opposed.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Fair enough.
There’s no reason to lose a draft pick then, though. The distribution of bullpen fWARs isn’t all that different than any other position.
2011
7.7, -1.7
2010
7.7, -2.1
2009
8.6, -2.7
2008
6.8, -1.2
If you can pick the bullpen that’s going to be worth 8 fWAR before the season, more power to you.
What do you think about bcschles’ suggestion that you can’t draft the bullpen until after you have all five SP? It lets someone going that route if they want (i.e. taking SP as quickly a possible), but again, more power to them if that’s the strategy they want to try. It also avoids having to think about taking a bullpen in the first few rounds.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
I thought there were 5 SP and 1 RP/SP
Do you have to draft 6 SP before you draft a bullpen or is the 6th SP now considered a bench spot? Do you have to draft a bullpen before you can draft your bench, hence making the first round you’re eligible to draft a bench player round 15?
In my opinion, it would be simplest to just making “bullpen” a starting lineup position, need to draft a bullpen before bench players and keep the rest of the rules the same.
The P (RP/SP) spot you can draft whenever
It would be:
Must draft Starting Rotation (SP-SP-SP-SP-SP) before Bullpen
Must draft Starting Lineup + Starting Rotation before bench players
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Drafting all starters before bench is a little difficult to police
eg If you draft Hanley Ramirez will he qualify at SS (2011 position) or 3B (2012 position) As far as I understand the rules he qualifies at both. Therefore it is possible to legally draft 2×3B or 2xSS whilst drafting your “starting line-up” when one of them will end up being one of your generic IF players
You assign them a position as you draft them
You can draft Ramirez and put him in your 3B roster slot. Heck, you can draft Prince Fielder as your SS. If he doesn’t qualify for SS at the end of the season you get 0.0 fWAR for that position.
Well, I’ll be updating each team’s roster as the draft goes along. So if you draft Hanley Ramirez, e.g., I will put him in the SS slot until you draft another SS (then I’ll move Ramirez to 3B and you’ve got SS + 3B filled) or until you draft a 3B (then I’ll leave Ramirez at SS and you’ve got SS + 3B filled)
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
fWAR distribution by position
It does look like bullpens are worth a bit more than most other positions.
(it looks like the picture is cut off, but SS is the last position)
I think I prefer this
Drafting 2 or 3 RP’s (I think 3 is better) is probably easier rather than doing the whole bullpen where it is difficult to predict what 10-15 players will do for a teams bullpen.
A draft pick is a lot to sacrifice
What about this idea: you could make it so you can’t draft a bullpen until you have your entire starting rotation drafted?
That works too! It sort of incentivizes drafting your rotation asap (since you get to pick a potentially 7 fWAR “player”) but there would definitely be tradeoffs that would keep that from being an unfair strategy.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Thanks for seeking input.
I’m cool with whatever you choose. Ultimately, you’ll just have to make A Decision. It’s your vision, your league. You asked for input. I’m happy with whatever you go with.
Thanks for staying dedicated to this!
Speaking of which
What’s the decision?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am leaning towards drafting a team bullpen, which you cannot draft until you have all 5 SP
But we can do a quick vote right before the draft
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
So pitching staff would be:
SP – SP – SP – SP – SP – P – BULLPEN
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
I don't like it from the standpoint that this was originally going to be about drafting a 25-man roster
However, I do understand it and agree with the decision.
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I agree, though this makes the draft easier (and more fun; does anyone want to wade through 6th RPs?) but also keeps the roster realistic, since for your bullpen you are drafting an entire bullpen.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
I'm for this
I’m anticipating huge early runs on starting pitching under this setup, but that would also create some inefficiencies in position players that people could take advantage of.
One point of clarification: Would you also have to draft the P before the bullpen?
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 19, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
You can draft the P whenever, no restriction
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
So the P has to be an SP now?
What if I think an RP could get me more WAR than any of the remaining SPs at that point? Are they off-limits now?
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 19, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
That's a good point
In theory people could still draft relievers (half the bullpens will go undrafted), but that might be kind of hard to figure out in a draft.
Any solutions?
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Could you make it so you can draft an RP as your P
But it can’t be from the same team as your bullpen?
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 19, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Could create problems if someone drafts Brewer bullpen and someone else drafts Axford
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I think it'd be odd
But not necessarily a problem.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 19, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Reminder #15,528,539,575 about always saving whatever you're working on.
I had my draft spreadsheet prepped and ready to go, and the spreadsheet crashed and I lost all of my work.
Now I’m scrambling to prep something before the draft.
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I'm a little confused right now.
Which spreadsheet do we need to log into?
Also, is this technically the draft chat room?
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Problem
The wife is out and about with the laptop and I can’t update the sheet from my phone
Also, I’m not taking yuni
HELP
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
You could probably post your picks in here in the short term, I'd imagine
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Ok
Give me tulowitzki
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Can you open the chat?
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Nope
Just gives me the doc, though I can’t edit, and I can’t figure to transfer it to the docs app
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Can you see the doc being updated?
If so we can just get your picks in here
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Yeah
I’ve seen troy, long, lee, and pedroia go
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
I’ve seen troy, long, lee, and pedroia go
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Now barmes and pujols
This will work
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, np
We can look for your picks in here. Though you’re missing our brilliant wit in the chatroom.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
I've been in many draft chat rooms with you guys
Brilliant is quite the assumption
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Your pick, Hyatt
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Two picks, actually
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
See the bottom
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, you're on your phone!
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Yep
I can see, but not edit
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's same with us
Can you chat, though?
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 19, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Nope can't find it
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, you were five minutes late so got Carlos Lee...
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Not necessarily true...
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Round 2 & 3
Jared weaver and ryan braun
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 2:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Your pick(s)!
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
What is self destruct
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 3:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We're just dropping the AFK teams, so all the Astros players are back in the pool
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Teams that didn't show up so they have been removed from the league
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Round 4 & 5
Tommy hanson and brandon phillips
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 3:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Phillips is off the board already
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My bad
Then david wright please
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 3:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Huge thanks to SRB for putting this together!
I hate a great time! Hopefully, this will be pretty easy upkeep since there should be, at max, 15 changes throughout the year.
I only tried to draft one retired player. As my first fantasy-type draft ever, I consider that an accomplishment.
by ecocd on Feb 19, 2012 7:18 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I didn't do much better
Immediately after you drafted your retired player, I praised your pick and wondered why nobody had taken him yet.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 19, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
I disliked it?
By the end, it was getting to be a bit much trying to drag out some guys that would be worth something, but it was still pretty fun hanging out with everyone (in a manner of speaking).
I think I'm glad I didn't sign up for this
I got goons.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 19, 2012 8:00 PM CST reply actions
It was different
Still fun
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Feb 19, 2012 9:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think my biggest surprise was Lincecum
I always think of him as utterly dominating, but in terms of fWAR, he barely cracks Top 20.
In other fantasy drafts, is Lincecum an early-to-mid 3rd round pick?
Thanks for the draft, everyone!
If you go to the Rosters Spreadsheet (linked in original post above), and scroll to the right a bit there are links to everyone’s detailed roster (via Fangraphs) excluding bullpens and players who have yet to play in MLB.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
by SRB on Feb 19, 2012 8:31 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Pretty cool.
Now we just have to wait for them to add international players.
Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.
That's amazing
It might take less than an hour at the end of the year to determine a winner. Great stuff.
That is superb
All I had to do what filter it for league stats to see that I would of scored 52WAR last year not including the bullpen.
I note that it counted the WAR gained/losted for pitchers hitting.
Compared to the 60+ that some other teams got that is not great, but atleast I have an idea of what a winning score might be.
I appreciate the time that you have put into this SRB, it will be interesting to see how the league would shake out in a regular 5×5 roto league compared to this league. I might see if I can set up a spreadsheet for that since it would show how close or not traditional stats correlate to a more sabermetric approach to measuring how good a team is.
by Saltire on Feb 20, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There are some players missing form certain rosters right now.
I was going to see how my team stacked up, but there are too many big name international players/rookies for it to be worthwhile.
Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.
If you roster is missing anybody let me know
Off the top of my head I think Yu Darvish, Yoenis Cespedes, Norichika Aoki, and Bryce Harper are the only player missing in the league?
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Props to everyone for keeping my team in there.
Especially the rotation and the Emilio Bonifacio picks. It was a nice surprise to come back to!
"We’re gonna gather our nuts, and find out what the squirrels… we’ll be right back." - Brian Anderson
You're a little low on rockstars
but the roster should be pretty much solid from top to bottom. It may not be as much fun to track since you didn’t personally pick all of the guys, but it’s always fun to have a horse in the race.
I predict around 70 fWAR for Zack Greinke
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
by SRB on Feb 20, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If that happens, you can take this league easily.
We’ll all be too happy celebrating a World Series championship.
(Also, we’ll be wondering how Greinke averaged over 2 fWAR per start, considering he’ll probably only pitch 33-34 regular season games max.)
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He's aiming for 155 GS this season.
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
Strike out everybody you face in 9 innings and you have a roughly (-2.8) FIP
.92 runs better than a replacement level starter per inning in FIP, so 34 starts at 9 innings per and you’re looking at 34*9*.92 which is 282 runs better than replacement, or 28.2 WAR. Not that it’s linear at that point anyways. But that’s close to 1 WAR per game if you have 9 IP, 27 K, 0 HR, 0 BB, 0 HBP.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Look at Jordan
Flexing his math pants.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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according to projected fWAR on fangraphs, my team is slated for a 64.5 WAR year
notes on that:
- the Indians Bullpen is not factored in here
- Neither is Aroldis Chapman
- They have Braun as a 5.5. Cut that by 40% if he’s suspended
- I think the projections for Mike Young and Carlos Lee are low, and the ones for Liriano are high.
So… IF Braun isn’t suspended, and IF Chapman and Sale become 3 win starters, and IF the bullpen performs mid pack, and IF I don’t lose anyone to injury long term and IF Mike Young and Carlos Lee produce at their 2.5-3 WAR level, I could have a 70-73 WAR team, which is awesome.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Isn't that derived from fan projections though?
With fan projections on players likely being from fans of the team that player is on, you may want to scale that projection back a little.
What I'm hearing is
“I’m so confident that my team is the best that I will willingly submit to the world’s larget slagging [yes, slagging] should I fail to win this league easily”…
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I don't know what a larget or a slagging is.
by Noah Jarosh on Feb 21, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, google
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Larget
Lar´get
n. 1. A short piece of bar iron for rolling into a sheet; a small billet.
slag (slg)
n.
1. The vitreous mass left as a residue by the smelting of metallic ore.
2. See scoria.
tr. & intr.v. slagged, slag·ging, slags
To change into or form slag.
I don’t really get how the larget fits in even though I do know the meaning. It had me confused, too.
by ecocd on Feb 21, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't tell if my sarcasm detector is broken or not
Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!
I think the problem
is NoahJ and ecocd’s complete inability to understand the most basic English words when put together in a simple sentence referring to the smelting of short pieces of iron and how that relates to winning fantasy baseball competitions. I’d be tempted to wield the banhammer on that basis, I really would…
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by MrLeam on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're correct
I should have written the plural “largets” instead of the singular “larget” given I was meaning to refer to multiple short pieces of bar iron. I can only apologise for this horrendous error…
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by MrLeam on Feb 22, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Someone's looking a whole lot better right now in the league
Welcome to Braunukkah!
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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Clearly you guys joined some other league behind our backs.
I’ve had this one sewn up since before the draft. But seriously, double-dipping leagues? Not cool.
Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.
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26 | 22 | .541 | 1.5 | Won 1 |
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Pittsburgh
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